It's week four of [Formed.], and one of our favorite people is back on the podcast: Jamie Winship. This week, Jamie talks to us about why separation creates suffering, the necessary practice of self-emptying according to Jesus's teaching in Matthew 5, how to develop a right view of God, and a brilliant concept called "closed-handed anxiety." As usual, it's a fascinating conversation, so prepare for some note-taking. And of course, if you missed the first three weeks of [Formed.], go back and catch those episodes on your podcast feed or YouTube.

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