June 22, 2025

402: What If I Told You

33 minutes

This week we explore the tension between bringing our wholeness to the world and the social pressure to maintain polished appearances. How might we practise opening our hearts to the whole of ourselves—including the uncomfortable, needy, and difficult parts?

Moving from performing acceptability to becoming spaces where others can feel genuinely welcomed means cultivating the capacity to ask "what else is here?" with genuine curiosity. And this becomes the foundation for encountering our own and others' grief, rage, and vulnerability without turning away. It’s our sense that this is an ethical imperative—the gift we offer those who come after us and those we meet along the way.

This week’s conversation is hosted, as always, by Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise of Thirdspace.

Episode Overview

00:00 Introduction and Context of the Conversation

01:56 The Power of Authenticity in Relationships

07:04 Exploring the Poem: 'What If I Told You'

08:52 Embracing Messiness as Generosity

12:56 The Importance of Self-Reflection

20:42 Navigating Relationships with Authenticity

28:55 The Ethical Imperative of Being Real

31:48 Conclusion and Future Directions

Here’s our source for this week:

What if I told you

What if I told you

That showing up

In this messy world

Just as you are

Is the ultimate act of love.

That befriending your doubts,

Opening your heart to

The whole of you,

Is the greatest act of generosity.

That loving yourself

In the places that are the hardest to love

Is the most profound gift

You can give

To those who come after you,

To those who meet you,

To those who rest in your eyes for a moment,

As you move through the world

As an invitation

And a welcome for

Everyone's messy beauty.

What if I told you,

We need you

Just

You

Are.

Hollie Holden

Photo by Talia Cohen on Unsplash

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