Did the Communists win the Cold War in America? In this eye-opening Based Camp episode, Malcolm and Simone Collins dive deep into the 1963 list of Communist Goals for the United States (compiled by FBI agent Cleon Skousen and entered into the Congressional Record). From infiltrating schools and media, discrediting the family, promoting degeneracy, and weaponizing psychiatry and art — they check off how many of these goals have been achieved and what it means for modern culture, politics, and the future.

This conversation covers the long march through the institutions, Yuri Bezmenov’s demoralization playbook, Cuba’s ongoing role, why the “Red Scare” was more accurate than we were taught, and how a new tech-right counter-movement can fight back using AI, culture, and high-agency communities.

If you’ve ever wondered why everything feels broken — ugly art, broken families, captured institutions, endless culture war — this episode connects the dots.

Episode Transcript

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello, Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to be asking the question, did the communists win with their goals in the United States? So this rabbit hole was prompted for me by a Chris Williamson clip where he had on a guest, Isabel Brown, who was going over a list that she reported to be the communist goals for the United States circa 1960.

She sort of misstated this list implying that it was read into the Congressional Record by the Communist Party. It was not. It was read into the record by a Republican anti-communist, and was a review of the notes on the Communist Party and their goals, circa 1963- Hmm ... by an FBI agent, Cleon Skousen.

So not a crackpot or anything like this. This was an FBI agent whose goal was in the FBI, was to track and to understand the Communist Party’s goals circa 1963.

Simone Collins: All right? Okay. Yeah, [00:01:00] and it’s not like they were incredibly secret about their goals. So this can’t be that inaccurate.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Well, you’re gonna be shocked by this list.

You’re gonna be shocked. Really? She read a few of them. And I was like, “I need to go into the full thing.” Yes. “I need to look up the history of this list.” Like, I’m not gonna go over every single one of the points that he had read into it, because some of them would just get boring. But we’re going to have enough material to shock you.

Oh, gosh. So let’s... And I’m not gonna be reading them in order either. Okay. So let’s start here, okay? “Transfer some of the power of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychologists can understand or treat.” What? This was the 1960s, early 1960s.

Psychiatrists weren’t even a thing at that point. L- not, like, commonly.

Simone Collins: Oh, wow. Yeah. [00:02:00] Did we lose the Cold War? We lost the Cold War. We lost the Cold War. We lost the

Malcolm Collins: Cold... W- g- when I read through this, you’re gonna be like, “We lost the Cold War.” We were just- What? ... psy-oped into believing we won. I, I almost at the end of this, like, believe that there’s like a communist utopia in y- Russia right now, and that’s where we’ve been sending all our defrauded Somali dollars.

Apparently. Like, the... Yeah. And, and that outside the US, everything’s still going and we’ve just been psy-oped into believing that the Cold War is over and that we won to make us happy. For

Simone Collins: real?

Malcolm Collins: What is happening? I don’t know if I’m ready for this.

Speaker 7: Oh my God. Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon. Privet svitya, Dad. My son is a communist.

Malcolm Collins: Okay, next. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive [00:03:00] control over those who oppose communist goals.

Consider the way that they’ve used things like trans mental health laws to achieve other goals they have later down on this list.

Octavian Collins: Huh.

Malcolm Collins: First, given that this does seem to have been the plan, it’s a pretty clever plan, right?

Simone Collins: No, yeah. If you, if you go, we, we rewind to the 1950s, 1960s, like, all right, how do we take out these...

It is, yeah, I mean, it’s, it’s incredibly clever. I, I never would’ve thought of it. But in terms of destroying a country from the inside I... You know, there’s this one episode in earlier Doctor Who where the Doctor has this, like, plan where he’s like, “Oh, I know how to, like, single-handedly take down this prime minister.”

And he, standing next to her, like, turns to a journalist who’s always there, or who, who is also there, and says, “She looks tired.” And that’s supposed to be like, that’s the end of her career. He just ended it by [00:04:00] saying that and, like, sowed this doubt. But this is so much more, like, this is the real version of that where, like, Russia was like, “Oh, that’s that’s not just you being a, a, a dick.

It, it’s a mental health thing that is to be systematically- Well, so I should note here- ... defended” ... he is

Malcolm Collins: not, he is not talking about Russia’s goals for the United States. These were the goals of the American Communist Party at the time, how they were going to dismantle the United States.

Simone Collins: That is so... It’s, ‘cause, but then why?

Why would you... I mean, ‘cause presumably the goal- So as was- ... of destabilizing the US means that we, then they can take over. But what is left to take over once you’ve done that to a country?

Malcolm Collins: Well, they wanted to sell us out to the communists in Russia. We’ll go over this. It didn’t work out their way. But they have achieved all of their other goals other than that one.

It really seems to be about destroying the United States above all else and destroying the institutions- That were most resistant to them- Mm ... specifically religious institutions. And we’ll- So it’s not about

Simone Collins: brokering in some new age or transition, it’s just out of hatred for the United [00:05:00] States.

Malcolm Collins: Mm. I mean, there does appear to be a new age or transition.

It’s the communist order, right? Like, they’ve got to break down the existing social structure before they can create a new one or offer a new one.

Hmm. Hmm.

We’ll even go into how they plan to run their revolution and everything like that. Well, what

Simone Collins: good is a communist citizen if they’re, like, crippled by anxiety and, and statutorily unable to not work?

Because then they can’t fight

Malcolm Collins: back against the government.

Simone Collins: Yeah, but isn’t it... I guess in a, a post AGI world, a post singularity world, you don’t need workers. Like, the perfect communist state that has never been tried needs a lot of- Communists

Malcolm Collins: didn’t need their workers to work hard, Simone. Like, I, I think you’re confused about this.

Socialism involves- Communists treat their workers like slaves. Like, that’s the way communist states have always operated. Oh. They don’t actually need the- So I guess it was

Simone Collins: just, there was a plan to rug pull, like systematically, mentally drive people insane. Well, how about we

Malcolm Collins: go through all of the plans and then you can judge?

Okay. Yeah, I, well, I would... Yes.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Okay, let’s try to understand this better. Okay. Okay. Next

Malcolm Collins: here, okay? Discredit the family as an [00:06:00] institution, encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

Octavian Collins: Oh, boy.

Malcolm Collins: By the way, if you’re unfamiliar with the legal change of the United States in post 1960s not only has promiscuity obviously become very popular, The New York Times regularly writing about polyamory and stuff like this, and but the idea of easy divorce has become way, way, way easier.

And there has been explicit attacks, like BLM saw the insti- the family unit as one of their core things that they wanted to target and discredit. Okay. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks, and the retarding of children to the suppressive influence of parents.

The,

Simone Collins: the retarding of children to the suppressive influence- Yeah, basically

Malcolm Collins: they’re like- ... of parents ... we need a way to retard children and then we’ll- They must retard the children ... blame it on the parents. I love, I love that wording We need a way to

Simone Collins: break the school system, and then

Malcolm Collins: we’ll blame parents on the results of [00:07:00] that.

That is so good. And every time somebody’s like, “Well, what about the parents?” Right? You know they’re running a communist op. They’re running a communist op. Come on, guys. I always hate that, that whiny, “Ooh, what about the parents?” Mm. It’s like, look, obviously par... It, it’s really about the family culture. Like, the parents cannot draconianly police everything a kid does.

They need to create a culture where the negatives of society don’t get their hooks in the kid to the same extent. But by creating this learned helplessness, communists were able to degrade portions of our society. Okay, next. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures. A- again, note here, I am not editorializing these.

I am not... This is what was written, read into the Congressional Record, okay?

Simone Collins: Well, I guess that explains the witch hunt that took place in that sense, right? Wasn’t there a big blacklist because there was this, this i- i- intense fear of people taking over the media? So it sounds like this was- And they did

internalized and taken seriously.

Malcolm Collins: They did take over [00:08:00] the media. I mean, we’ve seen this today, right? You know? Yeah. This is true. The media is what in the 1960s would be called communists. The vast majority of people with influence. Like, say, well over 80% of people with influence in any of the major media organizations would, via 1953, be described of as a hardline communist.

Octavian Collins: This is true. Okay, next. One moment. Octavian, what, what’s up, buddy? Do you need something? I made,

Simone Collins: I made my, I made, I made a fox out of clay.

Octavian Collins: I’m so glad. Yeah. I made- You should get your- Yeah. Yeah. I can- Get your swimsuit ready to go out and play in the creek. Thank you, friend.

Simone Collins: I got 40 on my tablet.

Malcolm Collins: Next point here. Continue, note the word here, continue. Mm-hmm. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression.

An American Communist cell was told to, quote, “Eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings. Substitute shapeless, awkward, meaningless forms.” Wait, so there’s

Simone Collins: a reason for that? There’s a reason- Yes ... for the proliferation [00:09:00] of heinously ugly statues everywhere in the United States? This is... Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. They don’t really- ‘Cause it didn’t make any sense, and now we just know. Every time you walk by some misshapen, disgusting thing in the street, it’s the commies. It’s actually- It’s the commies ... literally the commies.

Malcolm Collins: It’s the v- It, it’s not just public stuff now, it’s video games. I mean, look at Mixtape.

Look at the games they’re pushing on us.

Simone Collins: Oh, my God. Well, no, no. Mixtape was created by the daughter of one of the biggest

Malcolm Collins: capitalists. Who’s a super big communist. All of these rich people are communists, because that just institutionalizes their power. That’s why rich people are so pro-commie laws, because they know that they’ll be at the top of the communist system, which is what has happened- generally, except in China when you had communist revolutions

Simone Collins: I don’t think that’s true.

He’s, he’s buddies with Trump

Malcolm Collins: Oh, he is, but his daughter isn’t She, I could see her being a commie She inherited these things Yeah, I, I [00:10:00] could see her being a commie She institutionalized her power in a way the dad doesn’t. The dad’s productive. The dad never needs to worry. She just inherited an aristocratic position.

You know, like her, Hasan Piker, Che Guevara you know, who, who, y- Fidel Castro. Actually, we have a whole video on this On the nepo babies of communism What if a communist were born rich? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. M- Zoran Mandic parents were famous directors who have done, like, movies that, like, you’ve heard of before.

Like, all of them were co- famous c- super, super wealthy kids gr- going around on their polo, you know, back in the... Anyway, but I note here that this is actually a quote from a communist organization that was directed at another communist organization, that they picked up at the FBI. So this isn’t, again, editorialization.

Ooh “Eliminate all good sculptures from parks and buildings. Substitute shapeless, awkward, and meaningless forms.”

Simone Collins: Shapeless, awkward, and m- Ooh That is, that completely... Remember just walking around Palo Alto- Mm, mm, mm ... and you’d just be in a beautiful neighborhood, and then suddenly, [00:11:00] brp, like- Yeah ... there would be some nightmare fuel just sitting there.

God, yeah. Wow. Communists.

Malcolm Collins: And we’re gonna talk about how they transmitted these cultural values through people not necessarily recogni- Actually, I’ll just go into it right now. People can be like, “Well, okay, but how did a small communist party in the United States end up getting control of a Palo Alto housing committee?”

for example, right? Like- Actually,

Octavian Collins: though, yeah ...

Malcolm Collins: that, does that make sense? And the answer is, and this is why I pointed out in our Cuba video where we’re like, “It is so important that Trump takes out Cuba,” which they’re in the process of doing Cuba played a major part in this. So Cuba, for a long time, has been funding organizations with communist leaders and people who have, like, these playbooks and keeping groups like Antifa and like the sort of rebellious leadership cast of ultra progressive movements in the United States on [00:12:00] message and aware of what they’re trying to do, even if they don’t fully understand why.

Yeah if we disrupt Cuba in this, this may be able to be pushed back on in significant ways. But anyway, continue.

Simone Collins: This is shocking.

Malcolm Collins: Control- Critics and directors of art museums.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yep. Yep. And hence the art museums and all their disgustingly ugly meaningless art. And then

Malcolm Collins: he has a, a quote here from another communist organization that they were spying on.

“Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless

Simone Collins: art.” Repulsive, meaning- I feel so heard. Oh, my God. This is, this is one of the most validating things ever. Mm-hmm. How is this... Oh, my gosh.

Malcolm Collins: Okay, next. Present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as normal, natural, and healthy. Oh, boy. Keep in mind, this was 1963.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah. You- And- It really wasn’t seen that way.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah ... here [00:13:00] is, here’s a fun one. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with, quote-unquote, “social religion.” Oh. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a, quote-unquote, “religious crutch.” And they were wildly successful at this.

This is one of the reasons when people are always like, “Why do you have your own weird version of Christianity? Why don’t you go back to the...” And I’m like, because they’re where all of this was spread from, right? Like, the, the progress pride flag went up on the churches before it went up in the schools, right?

Like, they have been the source of the rot. They were some of the first institutions to fall. The Vatican is a captured city at this point, right? Like...

You guys, if you wanna do your Reconquista with what’s his face? I like him. Redeemed Zoomer. I like, I like Redeemed Zoomer. Go for it. I think it’s a waste of time until we are a larger and more cohesive movement than the existing sort [00:14:00] of, I just wanna go back to the way things were movement, which I, I think obviously isn’t going to work.

Because the way things were is what they were able to crack open. The way things were was incredibly un-robust. Mm-hmm. But anyway, to continue here. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in schools on the ground that it violates the principle of separation of church and

Simone Collins: state.

Oh, boy. Well. Well, they did that. My God, they nailed it. But I mean, you gotta hand it to them. Mm-hmm. Y- you know? A- apparently. They were at least effective in this. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, and a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Oh. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the common man. Wow. Hmm. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength. Do we not repeatedly [00:15:00] see this today from leftists circles?

Simone Collins: I’m... Wow.

Hmm. Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Permit free trade between all nations regardless of communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not the items could be used for war.

Simone Collins: Look at what they get ready to do with Iran

Malcolm Collins: instead of just dealing with the Iranian situation, which Trump is finally doing.

Yeah.

Thank

God.

Yeah. Trump and the Jews, Trump and the Jews, b- bombing, you know, I, I saw a comment recently where they were like, “Yeah, like I really don’t like the Jews or Israel, but by God, they know how to just kill someone when they’re f*****g around.”

And I’m like, “Yeah, it’s refreshing at this point, right?” Somebody’s f*****g with you, you just murder them. You just cap their butt. And people were like, “Well, w- what if they, what if they put their clinic or what if, what if they put their garrisons of, of guerrillas and terrorists under schools and hospitals?”

And the Jews are like, “Well, we’ll bomb them.” And other people are like, “Well, what about the peop-” [00:16:00] Well, just bomb them. Like, whatever. I don’t care. They’ll stop doing it. It will stop being differentially a good idea to do that if they realize we don’t care. It’s only because the international scene still freaks out over it that they kept doing that.

They would have stopped if the international scene had stopped being babies about it. But oh well. Continue here. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of communist domination. Or I guess I could say here anti-American affiliation, right? Like, why is US aid giving tons of money to countries that hate us, right, and, and groups that hate us, right?

And that hate us for the aid itself, right?

Grant recognition to Red China. Admit Red China into the UN one. When did

Simone Collins: just co- yeah. When did we stop calling it Red China?

Malcolm Collins: When did it stop being communist? I mean, we point out in our episode America’s functionally more communist than China now by an order of about threefold.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: In terms of about [00:17:00] any measure that you could measure, like go into.

Okay, note here. Th- this one I love, right, Simone? Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. Oh, boy.

Simone Collins: If its- That was... Oh my

Malcolm Collins: God. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces. Some communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the UN as by Moscow. So, hilariously, the UN, he’s saying the U- right, this was 1960s. He said the UN is a branch of communism. Yeah. And many communist and Marxist leaders- But it makes so much sense Think that the UN can dominate the world better than Russia can.

And with the collapse of Russian communism, see our recent episode, this means that NATO and the UN are likely bigger threats to American sovereignty than any other force in the world right

Simone Collins: now. Even more evidence that you [00:18:00] should drop it like it’s hot. I tell you, man.

Malcolm Collins: Drop it like it’s hot. Look, if the Democrats can just randomly pull us out of, like, Panama, why can we not randomly pull out of the UN, right?

Yeah. Like, quit their stupid little project. Yeah. Okay, next. Do away with all loyalty oaths. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States. I like it that they thought big. Capture both, right? And this is something- Look,

Simone Collins: they did dream big, but they achieved. Like, their, their checklist here.

Do, do, do, do, do, do. It, they, they just

Malcolm Collins: went through it. They’ve nailed it Well, I mean, I, I think GOP Inc., before MAGA came in, before Trump came in, right, before we washed them out, the deontological faction of the Republican Party is not particularly far from a lot of these ideologies, right? They appear to be focused on sowing division within a voting bloc that we should be using to win through you know, racialist agendas, through agendas that are just not winning in the polls [00:19:00] right now.

And through trying to peel, you know, as we pointed out, like Fuentes voting Democrat, trying to peel Republicans out of the coalition so that these people can win, right? Like, we repeatedly see the agents of the Communists understand their role, right? This is where we get organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center being the, it appears now, primary donor to the Ku Klux Klan, right?

Like, and you can see our episode where we argue, we go through the, the numbers on that to show that it was likely their primary source of external funds. Which is wild, right? And not just them, but the American Nazi Party, the... A lot of this stuff is being funded by these organizations to cause division, and, like, we need to be aware of this.

They want to take over our party as well, and we cannot allow that. Next and they want to make us weak. If somebody comes to you and they say, “Oh, we as Americans we shouldn’t be using genetic technology. We shouldn’t be using AI technology.” These individuals are of the [00:20:00] camp, like, let’s de-arm.

Let’s, let’s neuter ourselves so we can’t fight back. In a world where the people- Well, and

Simone Collins: contrast this to the, the attitude toward AI and technology that you see in China, where they’re like, “Yeah, AI’s good. This is, l- let’s go. Absolutely, this is gonna make people’s lives better.” Something’s going on here.

Well, I don’t care about people. I want the

Malcolm Collins: autonomous drone swarms, okay? I want the gene, the the, the... There’s a lot of fun stuff we can do with genetic technology as it gets better. But to continue here. I’m sorry, I d- I didn’t wanna name any of it, lest be I get clipped. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

That’s so bon- I love it. Ugh ... get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current communist propaganda. Oh, God. Oh, it’s a little on the nose. It’s a little on the nose, yeah. [00:21:00] Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations.

Simone Collins: Soften the curriculum.

Malcolm Collins: Get, get control of teachers’ association.

Oh, no, the teachers’ union. Put the party line in textbooks.

Simone Collins: But they did. They did. You know what? If anything, I kind of now just, I’m like, what? We lost. We lost. We lost the Cold War. They won. Maybe commies are a little more competent than I thought they were, and apparently the US is a lot more spineless than I thought it was. I’m, I’m kind of humiliated here.

Malcolm Collins: Because we treated our adversaries with respect while they didn’t treat us with respect, and we need to stop doing this, right? We need to be willing to understand that we are playing for the future of human civilization, and we- Not, like...

Simone Collins: No. I, I think th- this, the reason why this worked, why [00:22:00] they were able to pull this off, is it happened just as increasing numbers and proportions of women entered the workforce, and these kinds of ideologies are exactly the ones that they’d be like, “

Yeah, we should be doing this.

We should be.”

And that, I think, unfortunately, is a bigger factor in this than I would like to admit. I don’t think that in a patriarchal society this would have, this would’ve gotten by us. Don’t, I mean... don’t you think so, though?

Malcolm Collins: Probably. I mean, I think that that’s definitely one thing. Okay.

So, where were they here? Gain control of student newspapers. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the, quote-unquote, “big picture.”

Give more emphasis to Russian history since [00:23:00] the Communists took over. Now they didn’t get this bi- second part, but they definitely got the first part. And a focus on Communist history, like if you look at American education systems now, it’s just like slavery, Native Americans w- what is it? Like, Jim Crow laws, stuff like this.

Just like, oh,

Simone Collins: all these- That was a big part of my, yeah, public school education. All these- Plus, when you think about, yeah, rioting students, th- this is just such a big theme on college campuses especially recently. It’s just- Another one thing- That’s what they

Malcolm Collins: do ... they did here eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

Simone Collins: Don’t we still have that?

Malcolm Collins: I’m pretty sure we don’t. The House Committee on Un-American Activities? Let’s

have a

look. I don’t think we still have

the standing committee, it was made a permanent committee of the House in 1945.

Simone Collins: Okay. There we go. I thought so, because I’ve heard it in headlines, so I was

Malcolm Collins: like- no, it w- No, sorry, it was abolished in the late 1950s and 1960s.

Opinion largely turned against it. And it was rebranded as the House Committee on [00:24:00] Internal Security, and then it was entirely abolished in 1975.

Simone Collins: Hmm. Okay. So again, they won. They nailed it once again. Like, I mean, respect. Eli-

Malcolm Collins: S- Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture, education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, et cetera. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions. They’re already in unions. Infiltrate and gain control of big business. That wasn’t an accident.

That was the plan is controlling big business. They always saw big business not as the enemy of Communism, but as their goal for bringing it about. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government. And int- internationalize the Panama Canal, another thing they achieved.

Simone Collins: Wow. How?

I would, [00:25:00] so let’s say, you know, we’re, we’re in a, a meeting of the Socialist Party in the US that’s like, “Hey, let’s do all these things.” I would be sitting there thinking, “Yeah, like, but we need to have leaders permeating every element of government and society to make this work. We need all the wealthiest people to be communists and to be a member of this party and a part of this strategic initiative.”

I don’t understand how this... I mean, well, I can’t really, I don’t have a good explanation as to how these things ended up happening anyway aside from women tend to have more aligned with Communist Party desires and- Well, I think the answer is pretty

Malcolm Collins: clear. They took over our university system first.

It was first target elite universities. Mm-hmm. We saw this happening when we were at university, and a lot of the kids who are cheering for this stuff do not understand what they’re actually fighting for. The people who understand the bigger picture are their handlers often in Havana.

Mm.

And [00:26:00] that and I just don’t think that people got how much Cuba was organizing behind the scenes and how relevant Cuba is in managing the wider communist project in the United States.

Simone Collins: Yeah, I mean, well, we should. I mean, Hasan just had that, well, the, it wasn’t obviously Hasan’s event, but Hasan was at a very major event there just recently.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I mean, to understand how competent Havana has been at this stuff, they took over Venezuela’s government, right? Like, when we took back a Veniz- Venezuela was shipping them basically free oil to keep the lights on, right?

Like, that is how Havana operated. It treated the rest of the world, countries that they would go in, infiltrate, and essentially take over. They had taken over the vast majority of the president’s guard. They had taken over the vast majority of leadership positions within the military in Venezuela, and they used that to keep control of the country and siphon all the money out of it.

This is what the USSR did for its surrounding countries and stuff like that. That is what their goal is for the United [00:27:00] States. That is what they do with socialists in the United States, right? Like- Hmm ... the, the fight against Cuba is far more existential for the United States than I think many Americans believe because when you see all of these, you’re like, “This seems too perfect.

How is it all organized?” And the key is gain control of the elite institutions, make this cool, you know, make it cool through Havana-backed education, which you’ll often see from leading groups like Antifa and stuff like that. They’ll be like, “No, this guy is legit. He went to one of the Havana training camps,” right?

That’s

Simone Collins: right, yes, Antifa too. Yeah. Oh. So you’re trying to say that even back, going back to the ‘70s, this was all happening in Cuba?

Malcolm Collins: A lot of it, well a lot of it was organized in Russia in the ‘70s. And it, then it sort of became externalized to Cuba. And that’s where the, the key sort of organization ran from after that.

Hmm.

But yeah Cuba has been where the operations to brainwash parts of the [00:28:00] United... I mean, it makes sense. It’s closer to the United States. Like, you operate them out of there, and they never really stopped. They still hold regular, for like American socialists and stuff like that, like yearly conventions.

They basically go and they’re told what to do and how to act and how to contact their handlers and yeah, I mean, it’s, it’s all very organized. Now a lot of this is organic, I, I, I will say. Like it’s not all top-down. But I think more of it is top-down than people realize, or even the people on the ground implementing the stuff realize.

Huh. And I think

Octavian Collins: it’s

Malcolm Collins: our job, and I really make an effort to do this, to create a new right or tech right opposite of this, right? Where a fairly small yet highly organized and value-aligned group of individuals can cross-coordinate and build messaging across channels, and then use that messaging to with [00:29:00] careful directionality break apart and eventually recreate society in the image that we are aiming for, in the same way the communists achieved.

Right? The problem is, is that the communists were interested in end goals. And the old version of conservatism that they were fighting against was very deontological, and so they didn’t really have a toolkit that could compete against a organization that was focused on like actually winning, right?

Like, they just cared that they were technically correct in the things that they were doing not that this was gonna have some like wider culture war end state, right? And so they would, you know, blow stuff up rather... You know, somebody could point out to them, they’re like, “Well, if you make the movie like that, then nobody’s gonna buy it,” right?

They’re like, “If you make a movie that’s all like morally preachy and everything like that and it doesn’t have some fun to it, then, then nobody’s gonna watch it.” And meanwhile the communists were like, “Oh no, you know, throw in degeneracy, throw in whatever,” right? Mm-hmm. They were able to [00:30:00] win. But now communists control the media industry, and they’ve made all media, all video games, shapeless blobs.

And so we come in, we’re like, “Hey, you know, you can throw some sexy women in it without going full degen.” And people are like, “No.” So some of the old right it’s like, “No, I won’t do it.” It’s like, no, this is how we b- they have ha- handcuffed themselves at this point. They have hobbled themselves at this point.

We can win the culture war at this point. And we- The, the key to us winning the, the next stage of the culture war is AI, I think. And I think we’re beginning to see what that looks like through products like RFab, where we’re trying to build, like, our own AI ecosystem for this space. But in addition to that, you have the Skybrow Cinematic Universe, you have these constant, you know, songs and media that are created with conservative themes and that are catchy.

I mean, for example, our kid, the song that he sings most these days is the Holy Balls [00:31:00] song about pronouns. Like, too many, too many pronouns. And- ... he loves it, right? Like, this is the mind of a kid who sees this, and has actually been psyops into singing a song regularly as he walks along, why, about why, like, the, the pronoun community and alphabet soup community is bad and a problem.

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Malcolm Collins: That is absolutely astounding to me. Like, if you talk about winning the culture war, that’s [00:32:00] what it looks like, okay? We don’t even, like, show our kid... I wouldn’t even understand why anyone would show their kids modern cartoons at this point, right? Like, if you’re a conservative parent, you can watch all the old cartoons for free, right?

Like-

Simone Collins: Well, not, I mean, we’re all paying for YouTube Premium. But yeah, I mean, I’ve heard from multiple other parents who are like, “Yeah, that’s all we’re watching, is old cartoons,” typically on YouTube Premium, and that’s kind of it, yeah.

Malcolm Collins: W- yeah, why are you watching anything else with your kids these days?

Octavian Collins: Yeah,

Malcolm Collins: yeah ... i- and, and I think that, that w- it’s also interesting is that it means that they’re not watching Disney, because Disney is so... Yeah. Talk about Disney really shooting themselves in the foot. Not only are they losing this generation of youth in terms of new content, and pricing them out of parks as children- Yeah

But they’re not gonna have Disney adults in the next generation, because an entire generation of kids wasn’t just raised without seeing new Disney movies. They were raised without seeing old Disney movies. Because Disney [00:33:00] never making those movies free or easily accessible has been a enormous strategic mis- misstep.

Simone Collins: Well, yeah, and it’s a shame too, because o- our kids have occasionally seen on YouTube, you know, like, pirated clips of songs from, like, The Lion King or The Little Mermaid, and they’re like, “Oh, what’s this?” Like, th- they’re i- we would be watching old Disney movies if we could. Yeah. But we can’t, so we don’t.

And they just don’t- And so they’re gonna grow up without

Malcolm Collins: any memories of any of those properties. Yeah. Our opponents are shooting themselves in the foot. We just have to be careful in how we move forwards. Yeah. We have to build out networks, which we’re already working to do. We need to move forwards with technology where science says, you know, th- this is too much for me.

This... You know, the left tries to censor the degree to which we can move forwards with science,

Speaker 11: They believed in me. I believed my methods were too radical, too controversial, but there were others in the shadows, searching for [00:34:00] ways to circumvent their rules. Freed from my shackles, the pace of our research hastened. Together, we delved deeper into those areas forbidden by law, and by fear. And we With this knowledge, what new world could we build?

Malcolm Collins: . But that’s the basic plan that we need in terms of... And we’ve been funding this stuff from behind the scenes. Like, some of it has been found out with money that we raise.

They’re like, “Oh, you funded X sketchy technology.” It’s like, yeah, we’re moving forwards. And we maintain access lines to the technology that we’re getting. So when and if state structures start to break down, we know who to call up to begin to set up, you know, gene labs and stuff like that in other places.

To begin to set up modular nuclear reactors. To begin to set up fabs that can print basically anything you want at a fairly low cost. To begin to set up, I mean, I [00:35:00] don’t wanna go over all the technology that we’ve been sourcing. But yeah. I mean, we’ve been moving forwards on everything we need for self-sustaining settlements and stuff like that.

Mm-hmm. To be able to then push from there back into... And our goal, as a reminder, is not to capture all of society. It’s not to capture all of culture. It’s to capture the efficacious individuals with a high degree of work ethic and a high degree of intelligence. No It, yes. It’s to create

Simone Collins: a sustainable ecosystem of autonomous, independent, and quite varied cultures and groups who can inherit the future together, and also, you know, intermix, learn from each other cultivate resilience among each other.

That- Well, they

Malcolm Collins: don’t need to intermix if they don’t want to. The, the plan is just to intellectually- No, of course, if they don’t want to. Yeah ... intermix. Like, share technology and ideas so that we can use the technology to move ourselves forwards. And, and this is why we see it as very important to not be overly aggressive towards groups that are persistently high technology.

[00:36:00] Mm-hmm. We have to find a way for those groups to work with each other because that’s all that matters in the, in the future, the age of AI and the age of space travel. We simply do not need to lower ourselves to the savages, right? If the communists captured the savages and made them impotent, we don’t need them anymore.

We can replace them. That’s what AI gives us the tools to do. And people are like, “Well, AI has a leftist bias.” Completely irrelevant if you use the right prompts, right? Like, if, if you... That’s one of the things with RFAB. You could even create just a regular AI engine that has a prompt reminding it to not be woke, and it won’t be woke, right?

Like, it’s very easy to do. So what,

Simone Collins: what people would push back and say is you can’t change the fact that the training data available to do that. Yes, you

Malcolm Collins: can. You literally can. This is so annoying and so stupid. It does not matter that an AI has a leftist bias if you are engaging with the AI without any prompting that is negating the leftist bias.

If you-

Simone Collins: But wait, Malcolm, when literally people are choosing not to [00:37:00] publish peer-reviewed research that confirms many conservative stances, for example, and then disproportionately you see a lot of peer-reviewed research that is published that confirms more left-leaning stances, even if you’re prompting AI to answer a certain way, you can’t change the fact that the available information- That’s factually wrong,

Malcolm Collins: Simone.

That’s factually wrong, and this is what it means to me. Okay, explain that to me. And it, and it actually, like, these people who are saying this stuff are deep enemies of the conservative movement because they are trying to psyops the conservative movement into a learned helplessness. Hmm. The reality is, is that if you put prompts into an AI telling it to take on a conservative persona or a persona of X religious background or a persona of a person with Y beliefs that are like the beliefs of the host of the show Base Camp or something like that- Mm-hmm

after going through what those beliefs were, it will, with a high degree of veracity, follow that prompting structure. The fact that you can’t get an AI that you have not prompted to a- [00:38:00] It’s, this is basically what it’s like. It’s like me going to an image generation AI, and a person says to me, they go, “Malcolm, image generation AIs weren’t all trained on anime.

And so if you just ask it to make art, it almost never makes anime art.” And I’m like, “All of mine on RFAB always create anime art.” And they go, “Huh, how do you get it to do that?” And I go, “Because it silently puts the words anime style before every request, you tard.” Sorry, like, this actually gets me because it is such a stupid level of learned helplessness that it fires me up.

Speaker 2: It’s like somebody comes to me and they go, “We need to ban chainsaws.” And I go, “Why?” And then they show me this stump where their arm used to be, and they go, “’Cause it can cut off your arm.” And I’m like, “Oh my God, did the chainsaw do that on its own?” And they’re like, “No, I put my arm on a tree stump, and then I chainsawed it off.”

It’s like, “So you did it.” It’s like when people are like, “Oh look, I got the AI to do a terrible thing.” And it’s like, “How did you do it?” [00:39:00] And it’s like, “Well, I told it to do a terrible thing.” And it’s like, it’s just trying to do what you told it to. If you prompt an AI to do something without any direction not to do it in a certain way, when you know it has a proclivity to do things in that way, then of course it’s going to act in that way.

We all know this. We know how AI works. We know how token predictors work. You need to provide a prompt that prevents it from acting this way

Speaker 5: It’s not that it’s impossible that the thing that they’re talking about could be a problem. If it was true that no matter what prompting you put in, or you could prove to me that no matter what prompting you put in, that you could not get a sane answer out of the AI, then I would say, oh, that’s very interesting and very concerning.

But the people who look into this, I have not seen any of them attempt to show me that yet. Instead, what they show me is without any prompting attempting to correct this, that AI does what we would predict it to do based on how much the left has controlled the training data and culture for so long, which isn’t [00:40:00] interesting to me.

And it can be used to get other people who otherwise would intelligently engage with AI and find ways around this to not engage with AI, which ends up nerfing our own side, which is why I crash out over this so hard. , And the thing that gets me angry the most is learned helplessness or encouraging learned helplessness.

, Simone would know this from our relationship. Like if you go and somebody says, I don’t know how to do something. And I’m like, well, did you try to figure it out? And they’re like, well, no. It’s like, well, then don’t come to me until you at least try first.

Malcolm Collins: It is irrelevant that this is in the training data of AI. AIs can easily get around their training data with prompting, and if you can’t get around it with the first layer of prompting, then you get around it with a second layer of prompting, or you can run a secondary AI that-

Simone Collins: I’m not talking about the training data.

I’m talking about also available information, like just what is out there

Malcolm Collins: And if we are able to deduce what is true from what is out there, AI can deduce what is true from what is [00:41:00] out there using the same internal heuristics that we use to determine what is true. If you read the book The Pragmatist’s Guide to Life we go over this in an extreme amount of detail.

How can you determine what is true when you are looking at evidence from a captured industry? So you can say something like, if a big oil company puts out a report about how bad oil is for the environment or something like that, you can be more sure that that’s true than if they put out a report saying oil isn’t bad for the environment.

If a global warming nonprofit or a major university institution puts out a paper saying, “Oh g- you know, global warming is happening faster than anyone expected,” right? You, you can say, “Okay, I can’t really trust that.” If they put out something that disconfirms their agenda... And there’s, like, 50 points we go through in our book that goes through various ways to tell, even when you’re dealing with captured institutions, when you’re dealing with information that is more likely to be true or [00:42:00] information that is less likely to be true.

You can then feed these heuristics into AI, and somebody could then say, “Well, what if it still gets it wrong on the first output?” It’s like, then you use a multilayered output. This is what... If you go to rfab.ai and then you go to our super search fa- feature, this is what we use. We do multilayered AI web searches using different mainstream models, where they basically go through and they have to confirm point by point what every one of the other models output.

And it is very good at removing both hallucinations and bias. I can further remove bias by putting in prompting to make it more explicitly conservative if I wanted to. But what I’ve noticed is that the vast majority of time, when I have heard conservatives complain about bias in AI, they’re just being stupid.

They are crashing out about something where the AI is right and they simply were unaware. In fact, I will go further. I will say around 75% of the times I get a comment in show notes saying, “Malcolm, you have made a mistake [00:43:00] by believing an AI hallucination,” and then I double-check it. It turns out the AI was right, and the person who said I believed an AI hallucination was wrong.

Your average human is worse at determining AI hallucinations than AI is. Great example. Somebody was like, “Oh, Austria was never split into two countries like Germany during the Cold War. That’s an AI hallucination.” I go and check, and no, it absolutely was. It, it would’ve been very easy. There, there was God, a great example recently where I was just like, oh my God somebody said something with an AI hallucination, and I go check, and I’m like...

Do you remember what it was, Simone?

Simone Collins: This has happened so many times. I, I don’t have a specific instance in mind. Okay. So you

Malcolm Collins: know that, like, it happens all the time with us. Somebody will, like, accuse us of an AI hallucination, and it turns out the AI is right again. Yeah, and

Simone Collins: I’ll look it up. Or, well, it’s also just other stuff.

They’re like, “Did you know this?” And then I’ll look it up, and it’s not quite true. But then, you know, we have a lot of, a lot of other people who give us really good feedback, so you know. It’s whatever. Yeah. It’s

Malcolm Collins: not that I’ve never fallen for an AI hallucination in the show. It’s just that the majority of the time I get called out for it, it wasn’t- Well, I think also

Simone Collins: more importantly, you literally build tools like [00:44:00] Supersearch or rfab.ai- Oh, oh, sorry.

I remember this one. Yeah ... to, like, overcome them because you- Yeah ... you do care about avoiding hallucinations. That is

Malcolm Collins: really funny. Somebody stopped using our products with their kid ‘cause they were using the Whizzling system that like- Oh ... you know, embodies. And this was because the kid asked them about, like, w- when the, when Jewish slaves built the pyramids.

And then it replied saying, “Biblically accurately, Jewish slaves did not build the pyramids. They built supply depots outside of,” I think, “Memphis.” And that you, you have a cartoonish vision of Christian history that you learn. And, and, Well, they didn’t insult the kid, but they just tried to gently explain that that isn’t what the Bible says.

And the parent crashed out. A ca- parent, by the way, who had an Oxford degree in theology. So okay. But a lot of people are just very confident about things, and then they get mad when the E- when the AI doesn’t affirm their confidence, right? But to continue here do you... Well, we could go into Yuri Bezmenov, which people often like to talk to on this subject.[00:45:00]

Simone Collins: We could. I just wanna say that one thing that really is hitting me with all this, going back to the commies winning, is that when I was in school and also just generally growing up, this idea of the Red Scare and of people blacklisting people who are suspected to have communist sympathies was framed as both just super overwrought and pointless and also misguided.

Like, oh, these people weren’t actually communists and these people weren’t actually, Oh, it’s come out that most

Malcolm Collins: of the major figures who, like, we were taught in school were unfairly judged actually were communist agents for Russia. Actually were.

Simone Collins: Okay. So yeah, I was wondering if that was the case.

And also now it just hits me that, like, we, we actually have not done that enough. There, there wasn’t enough of a Red Scare. Or we kind of stopped and were like, “Oh, I guess we won the Cold War. The communist threat is over.” And then it just... It all... Like, who knew? Who knew that... And, and, like, my view has totally changed on that because I really [00:46:00] grew up thinking like, oh, a bunch of people went on this witch hunt, and they did all this sanctimonious like, “Oh, he’s a commie,” when he wasn’t.

And, and yet, like, here’s this hit list of things they wanted to do and all of the, like... Well, p- certainly not all the boxes, I’m sure. There must be some things that weren’t achieved. But everything you read off, box ticked. You know? Mission accomplished. So- Yeah, it’s, it’s just, it’s kind of mind-blowing to me that this witch hunt that I’ve been told about all my life tur- well, one, the witches were real.

Yeah. Two, we didn’t hunt them hard enough, and three, the witches won. We should- And we all live in their twisted witch world ... if America was

Malcolm Collins: a healthy country, we should be treating anyone with any communist connection the same way we treat people with Nazi connections. They, the communists killed more people than the Nazis did.

They are, throughout history, a more evil political faction than the Nazis ever were in terms of the, the brutality of the things that they did. And I’m, and like, by the way, I, that’s saying a lot to say [00:47:00] this, but like, if for example you compare the concentration camps that the Nazis had which I have read about the, the worst descriptions of them they simply do not compare in terms of cruelty to the concentration camps of the Khmer Rouge.

Like, the Khmer Rouge concentration camps, Simone, you wanna cover your ears for this. Oh my God. Just cover your ears. Take out your thing.

Simone Collins: La, la, la, la, la,

Malcolm Collins: la. They would- La, la, la ... when you go into the camps ... la, la, la, la ... they would have rotting babies they had cut out of pregnant women- La, la, la, la

hanging from umbilical cords on the entranceway. La, la, la, la. They would take children- La, la, la, la, la ... and bury them in anthills up to their face- La, la, la, la ... and let the ants slowly sting and kill them.

Octavian Collins: La, la, la, la, la,

Malcolm Collins: la. They would have children- La, la, la, la ... brutally kill their own parents. La, la, la, la.

La, la, la, la. They like... Okay, you can come back. Now I can’t

Octavian Collins: re-watch this episode. They, they wouldn’t- So much for that ...

Malcolm Collins: because unlike the Nazis who, you know when they would kill people, they’d use gas and stuff like this, the Khmer Rouge would [00:48:00] just because they didn’t wanna waste the, the, the money of bullets in the killing fields just bring them out and beat them to death.

You know, so that’s why the Khmer Rouge- But that costs

Simone Collins: money and calories.

Malcolm Collins: They didn’t care about that. So I wanna give you an idea of like, and note here, here we’re not even talking about, like, other things. You’re like, “Well, that’s just the K- well, what did the, the, the Russians do?” They did things like left people on islands to starve to death and all kill each other slowly.

Hmm. Like again, I am not underselling the genuine horror of what the Nazis did. They did some of the most horrifying acts in history. It’s just, like, when you compare like to like, communists are generally worst. The, the, the worst. And, and they did, like, okay, sorry, I should go... They experimented on children, Nazi did.

They mass killed people in really painful ways. They killed children. Like, all the horrible things they did. It’s just maybe they weren’t as creative as the Khmer Rouge were in instances. But yeah. [00:49:00] Horrifying. But let’s go to Yuri Bezmenov here. But the reason I’m saying this is we need to treat these two the same way.

Anyone who has ever affiliated themselves with a communist organization should be absolutely the same way, like, not necessarily removed from society, but the same way that, like, you can’t get a job if you were affiliated with a Nazi organization, or you’d be hounded out of politics, or you’d be... We need to, whenever they’re like, “Oh, a Nazi came to one of your events,” you’re like, “Did a communist come to one of your events?

Have you checked for that?” Because we’ve got to be realistic about this. We’ve got to keep a clear eye at history and how evil these groups are, and their end goals. You can see here that when they say they care about things like native groups, th- they explicitly had it in their planning to remove colonialist powers from native regions before those regions had the ability to self-govern, because they wanted to cause suffering on those groups so they could take over.

And we saw this. We could go into, like, what happened with India and Churchill trying to [00:50:00] prevent them from pulling out fast enough, and it ended up causing one of the most li- like, India and Pakistan going to war with each other when that absolutely didn’t need to happen if they had just waited and carried out the plan that Churchill was trying to carry out.

But that’s a whole other thing we’re not gonna go into. But to continue here Yuri Bezmenov is a former communist. He’s the one from leaflet song about college where she’s saying- Yeah, that’s all I

Simone Collins: know of Yuri Bezmenov was he was right, per leaflet. That’s like

Malcolm Collins: where, where it, and it starts from.

So he said the plan for the Russian communists was demoralization, 15 to 20 years. Focus on the school and education system. Corrupt the education system, media, art, and religion to erode moral values, patriotism, critical thinking, and cultural identity. To parp- pump Marxist-Leninist ideology into students via teachers, textbooks, and university.

Promote relativism, destroy traditional standards, make people unable to access true information, even when presented with facts. He explicitly mentioned that by the 1980s this had already affected generations of American students. Destabilization, two to five years. The [00:51:00] economy, foreign relations, defense, and social fabric.

Create chaos and division. Then crisis, up to six weeks, i.e. COVID. Precipitate a major upheaval where people demand radical change. And then normalization. The new subverted system becomes accepted as normal, often with force to stabilize it under the new ideology. Useful idiots, leftists, activists, academics, et cetera, from earliest stages are no longer needed and now may need to be eliminated, as we saw in the Islamist revolution in Iran.

So communists won, and now we need to fight back. But we’re winning against them right now because it turns out that when they have power Having gamed it through all of these systems, the one thing they didn’t think about is how are we gonna still win the war of art when we’ve made all of our games actively unfun and ugly?

How are we gonna actively win media if we’ve made everything unfun and ugly? When people can no longer trust education, how does controlling these organizations have any institutional power, right? Mm. When somebody, the AI guy was like, “Well, you can’t trust edu- [00:52:00] educational institutions to do good science.”

When I’m getting my science, I don’t often get it from educational institutions. I’m, like, going through independent Substacks these days and stuff like that because everybody knows that’s where the best research is done, right? Like, we’ve pointed this out. Everyone I know who’s, like, an independent, like, really good researcher in, in, in fields though, nobody goes to the academics anymore as the first line of defense because it’s just not where the cutting edge research is.

You wanna go cutting edge sexuality research, you’re going Aella. You wanna go cutting edge genetics research, you’re going Emil Kirkegaard or Razib Khan, right? Like, you simply aren’t going to the academics anymore because they’re not any good anymore, right? They lost the... You know, obviously the sheep still follow them.

The sheep still repeat, but you don’t need to. And people can be like, “Well, how do you get an AI to not listen to the sheep?” You tell it not to. I do not... It’s, it’s like not trying step one of fixing the problem and then getting mad at the thing, right? Like, going into an AI that you know has a bias and not putting in a prompt to correct for that bias, and then getting mad at [00:53:00] the AI is like the image of the guy sticking the stick in the spokes of the bicycle, and then the bicycle falls over, and then he says, “Bicycle, how could you fall over?”

Wow. You know what I should do? I’m gonna do this on the website. Okay. Next feature I’m gonna make is gonna be based AI.

So I’m gonna have a number of ways that correct for bias in AI and then create normal AI interactions with top of line models outside of any of the mainstream ecosystems. Maybe even have it run by default in alloy mode which will be different from, like, a generic companion or narrative engine or something like that.

That’s what I’m gonna do. I’m gonna fix this for you guys who can’t figure out how to fix it on your own so that we don’t have this problem anymore and you can just come to rfab.ai and get your based AI takes.

Simone Collins: Works for me. I love you, Malcolm. This scares me, but, I mean, we already knew things were bad.

We just didn’t know it [00:54:00] was also part of a communist plan. So, okay. Fine. Okay. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: All right. Love you, Simone. Have a good one. You too. Bye, gorgeous.

Simone Collins: Can’t wait.

Malcolm Collins: All right. And dinner tonight, what is the story?

Simone Collins: So it looks like my dad’s just gonna stay at the hospital, so... A- and I think Minka will be there too. She’s gonna bring him our, the, the Thai curry I made. So I can make you Thai curry with more curry paste. Or we can do hot dog and french fry night like we’d planned.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, we do have to eat the french fries the hot dogs at some point. Let’s just do hot dogs and french fries. Okay. Are we doing it with potatoes, or are they, like, pre-made french fries?

Octavian Collins: They’re pre-made french fries that I’m gonna add,

Simone Collins: Some additional... Well,

Malcolm Collins: we’ll see if we can make them good. That would be an interesting experiment.

Simone Collins: Yeah. So- I mean, add a [00:55:00] little bit of MSG to it ... chop up some

Malcolm Collins: onion or some what do we have for- Oh, for

Simone Collins: the hot dog. I have I saved the shallot that you bought,

Malcolm Collins: so. Yeah, so a shallot would be nice. Yeah. Okay. And you have

Simone Collins: all the sauces. A billion sauces, so.

Malcolm Collins: So that’s, you know. All right.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm. I think you’ll be just fine, sir.

All right,

Malcolm Collins: let’s see here.

Speaker 3: I just wanna run inside and take a nap. Oh my God. What do you see? I don’t know.

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