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An analytical exploration of an observed phenomenon where creative professionals experience a significant decline in the quality of their work after gender transition, examining case studies of the Wachowski sisters (Matrix series) and Dragon Age: Veilguard. This video explores potential biological, psychological, and social factors behind this pattern, including hormonal changes, creative adaptations, and social dynamics.
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Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone. I am excited today to be talking to you about a phenomenon.
that I call the Wachowski effect, because it is something I have noticed in media. And we will be using two prominent examples of this. One is the Matrix series and the other is the Dragon Age series and, and Veilguard specifically as a particularly prominent example of this. In which a previously really talented creative or writer becomes really, really terrible after undergoing a gender transition into a woman.
And when I say they become really, really terrible, I don't mean conservatives start hating their work. I mean Like, everyone starts hating their work. And I want to explore both the timelines of this, so people can see, like, okay, so for example, with Veilguard, oh my god, I [00:01:00] was just watching some scenes from it, and it is so painful.
But we will go through them. You don't even know, like, it's not bad. It actively hurts to consume where, like, I'm not even going to play the clips because if I play full clips of these scenes in this episode, People will stop watching this show just because of the pain it's delivering to you, the viewer.
Speaker: Oh, um. Ah, s**t. They, they're still holding it. Sorry. What are you doing? Pulling a barv. Oh, okay. A barv? There's not always time for big, drawn out apologies. So, when one of us screws up and we know we've screwed up, we do a quick ten to put it right. Pulling above.
Speaker 6: It is a reminder that through struggle you find what you are. And you have never done so. Evatash has. They Are stronger than you will [00:02:00] ever be!
Simone Collins: Yeah, like even, even an ally would find this painful and not something they want to watch. Yes and to
Malcolm Collins: understand the effects of this, because we've seen a lot of woke games fail this year. This isn't quite as bad as something like, oh, what was the last one that we talked about?
Concord But like just a horrible failure that we talked about.
But it, it was bad and people knew it was going to be woke and this was a successful franchise before. So we've got different estimates of sales for this.
Microphone (2- ATR2100x-USB Microphone): Since recording this, we've gotten more accurate numbers in,
Microphone (2- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-1: It looks like it's pulled in about 63 million in earnings or about one fifth of what it needs to break even.
Malcolm Collins: it's it's current player count for peak daily is around 36, 000 players. There, so. Only, like, three episodes. Honestly, based
Simone Collins: on the footage you shared with me, even just the character design, which honestly super yucks my yum, but just the, I, it's impressive that people [00:03:00] can work through that.
Speaker 2: So, I'm non binary.
What does that mean?
Huh, I have big fingers. That
Speaker: means I don't feel like a man or a woman. If you are neither a man nor a woman, then what are you?
Speaker 2: Non binary. I just said, and I'm going to use they instead of she from now
Microphone (2- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-2: Just a note here. Okay, this is a mistake I had made throughout the recording. I assumed that this individual, from the way that they looked was a non passing trans woman, but they are actually a non passing , non-binary individual that looks and codes male.
Microphone (2- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-3: But was born a woman.
Microphone (2- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-2: , I suspect the reason for this is that the writers of this are non passing trans women and they identifying more with a biological woman who is non passing nonbinary.
So they are basically attempting to write themselves into the story as if they had been born a woman.
Simone Collins: Like they're [00:04:00] really trying this feels like I there was that year when I just had norovirus like three times in a row and I was just constantly at food poisoning, but I'm the kind of person who just eats through food poisoning. So I don't not eat and just like that feeling of, like, you're incredibly sick.
You are constantly vomiting, but you keep eating the food. That is what I imagine playing this game is like, like, you, you are like, you're still. It
Malcolm Collins: is eating vomits level appetizer. Yeah, actually it is worse than Concord or even Dustborn.
When I was watching it, because I, I watched like video playthroughs of Dustborn and I found it cringe in like a funny way occasionally and like the main character was super hateable and manipulated all her friends and everything. And that's another thing about. The characters in this is the characters that are supposed to be woke representations are genuinely awful, awful, awful.
Yeah. What is this? [00:05:00] I will play like a bit of a scene here so you can understand how disconnected these people are from reality. Where the character that's supposed to be trans representation her mother tries really hard to be accepting of her and she's just a complete b***h about it.
Speaker: Under the Qun, the term for one whose gender does not match the one given to them at birth was a Qunothloc. Perhaps you are like that. Why do you have to keep picking at it? Why can't you just be happy for me? Ebra. So I'm supposed to struggle with who I am? Even if I don't feel like I fit?
Speaker 2: Even if I feel wrong?
Speaker: No. You've misunderstood.
Speaker 2: Then say it better! Why am I never enough for you
Malcolm Collins: And then, After her mother dies, she takes her mother's horn.
So like part of her bones and wears it as like a thing, even though she knows her mother would disapprove of this. And this is one of the things that her mother really hated was her adopting these practices that were of [00:06:00] a people in a culture she did not identify with.
Speaker 8: You're her mother's horn.
You wear it as jewelry, like the Rivaini do.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Ravaini, where are their stories?
Speaker 8: She would
Speaker 2: like it. She'd be so pissed. She would.
Simone Collins: Well, and didn't one of the clips that you'd sent to me, perhaps my memory deceives me?
But the player selected the option of just don't say anything. And yet the character then came on to someone else in a really aggressive, creepy way.
Malcolm Collins: Oh no. Yeah. So if you're like a female character, this is actually like, to me, it shows how blind. So I think for a lot of lesbian women, the absolute horror.
Is some non passing Six five woman pressing them against the wall and putting them in a situation where they feel super threatened and this woman doesn't realize this person is not recognizing them as a woman at [00:07:00] all that they look like a giant man to them. And there is a Scene in the game where she's supposed to be hitting on someone and she puts what can be a, a petite woman in this scenario really aggressively without them actively consenting.
Speaker 12: Are you trying to have sex with me? Wow, you know, in my daydreams this is where you lean over me and slap the wall. Quick think about us having sex.
Speaker 13: So now we need to figure out if it's cash lock or tomlock Tomlock is serious. Like you want to grab that and taste its neck right by the collarbone
Simone Collins: No, but specifically in the gameplay. And if memory serves, the players like recording this demo selected the option of say nothing, like basically don't escalate this further. Yeah. And then the character nevertheless, like despite the players non consent escalates the situation further. And you're like, no,
Malcolm Collins: no, no, no, no.
Everything about this is written by [00:08:00] somebody who seems to have no idea how flirting works. So there's another scene where they're like, Oh You gave me this gift and they're like, yeah, I like, really like you for like your talents and your other talents and you smell really good. Like, I love that's
Speaker 33: We had a request for the defense to the Joe Biden hair snip. So, if you have some creepy dude, it doesn't have to be Joe Biden, alright? If you have some creepy dude who comes up behind you and it's like, you know, making you feel really awkward touching in a way you don't really think is cool and kind of sniffing your hair, it's kind of weird, right?
It's a little weird. okay? So, what we're gonna do is, well, one thing you could do is you could just, boom, headbutt him, right?
Simone Collins: The scene I'm talking about where the to say, don't say anything more.
And then it selects that option. And she says more and it's like,
Speaker 3: I got you a thing.
Speaker 5: Oh, [00:09:00] Tosh. It's gorgeous. The stitching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I appreciate your skills. At archery.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Tosh. That's really sweet.
Speaker 2: You're really nice. And, um, you smell good. Oh. Thank you? Really good.
Speaker 5: Hey, Tosh. Do you wanna come with me to break this in?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like Now?
Speaker 6: Of course, now. Oh, good. Let's go.
Malcolm Collins: Oh, and then, and then keep it on. We say, she, this is a non passing trans person. So it looks like a giant, like, I
Simone Collins: don't know. If I were asked as someone, I would, I would just say that it was a very ugly woman, like an [00:10:00] extremely ugly female, but I just think that their entire kind is extremely ugly.
So, but like, I don't know. But anyway, no,
Malcolm Collins: no, no. So what I love in that scene is she's then rewarded with the other person who she's flirting with being like, yeah, let's have sex right now. Yeah. What? This is not, and, and, and here people can be like, oh, this is just a bad writer. And this is where the Wachowski effect becomes really important.
Because what other games did this person wrote? Was it, was a writer on? They were a writer on Mass Effect. They're a writer on Dragon Age Origins. They're a writer on Mass Effect 2. I think one of the best written games I've ever played. Mass Effect 2, Layer of the Shadow Broker. They're a writer.
They're the senior writer on Mass Effect 3. Okay, so we have every expectation that they should
Simone Collins: be amazing.
Malcolm Collins: Okay Mass Effect 3, From the Ashes, they were a writer. Mass Effect 3, Leviathan, they were a writer. Mass Effect 3, Citadel, they were a writer. Dragon Age Inquisition, they were a writer. Dragon Age Inquisition, Jaws of Hakkon, they were a writer.
Dragon Age Inquisition, Trespasser, they were the lead writer. And then they were the lead writer on [00:11:00] Veilguard. And somebody can be like, Do you know when they transitioned? Do know when they transitioned, because we can find pictures of them, and I'll put one on screen here but specifically this individual, hold on transitioned they transitioned in 2020, so after their last other writing and before Veilguard, if you're looking for when the witch house came out, So, for people who don't know, the people who wrote the original matrix Malcolm,
Simone Collins: Wachowski sisters, Jesus.
Malcolm Collins: Sorry, the Wachowski sisters. They were originally called the Wachowski brothers when they wrote the first matrix, and that's what I know them as, but the Wachowski sisters now wrote the Sorry, if it was Dragon Age, I'd have to do push ups.
So whenever you upset this particular Very physically imposing character. They force you to do push ups, basically and at first they the person accepts it like sort of willingly where one person is like, oh, I accidentally misgendered you so i'll do push ups and they have a total two minute cut scene on very very uncomfortable cut scene on accidentally misgendering somebody and [00:12:00] then
Simone Collins: I don't know.
I kind of like this. You get buff and they get lame. Whatever.
Malcolm Collins: Well, no, because they are physically and intimidating you into a physical act of submission. That
Simone Collins: is
Malcolm Collins: the
Simone Collins: heart. You are prostrate on the
Malcolm Collins: floor. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. This is what a trans woman who wrote this thought was an appropriate thing to force women into a submissive position to them and prostrate themselves to them as a, as a like, this is very like a sexual play thing.
It's really messed up. And then there's another instance where a girl simply accidentally ate all the food and she pressures her into doing this.
Speaker 7: Who ate the last breaded cheese wand? Oh no, I'm sorry. I guess I thought, well, I don't know what.
Speaker 2: It's fine.
Speaker 7: No, no.
They're your favorite.
Speaker 6: Say you're sorry some more. That'll fix it.
Speaker 7: No, you're right. I'm pulling a barb. [00:13:00] One
Speaker 6: two Three
Malcolm Collins: And this is again, a, a woman who is physically very petite compared to her, who she very clearly physically dominates. But anyway, so if we're talking about like.
The Matrix series getting bad, it actually correlates with the transitions as well. So if you look at Lana Wachowski, formerly Larry she began her transition in 2000, 2003 was the beginning of the Matrix sequels. So if you look at the first thing of Matrix sequels, they got worse, but they weren't like dog, Duty quality like the sisters later work.
If you then look at when the second one transitioned, it was before cloud atlas. And then the next matrix trilogy which I think everyone basically agrees that everything from that point on that they did was just an absolute failure. And nobody was like, this isn't me saying like, it's bad.
Nobody watched any of this stuff. Like it objectively [00:14:00] bombed at a critical level.
Simone Collins: Yeah, I, so this is what I find very perplexing about this because I think Wachowski syndrome or the Wachowski effect is very real. But what also confuses me is that. One, there are plenty of female writers in history who have done great work that a lot of people of all genders have appreciated.
So it's not just that being female makes you terrible, although one could argue that women are better at certain types of writing. And then two, when, when there have been studies that look at differences in female performance, Based on where they are in their cycle, women who are experiencing surges of estrogen have a boost in intelligence.
Per, per my memory, I can try to dig up the research. So you can put it in the links. But my understanding is that more estrogen. Also correlates with more intelligence [00:15:00] in, in like across women's cycles. So within subjects, so that, so I'm like, well, then why why should a man who's getting more doses of estrogen, like, is it also like the, the additional drop in testosterone service?
So, for example, and I'm saying this just as a. Like personally, but we recently had my blood worked on like a really detailed blood panel and my testosterone is super low, like even for a woman. And we asked our doctor for some analysis on this and he pointed out that if you're taking exogenous estrogen, which I am I take similar doses that a trans woman would take because I'm screwed up for other reasons.
You, you may also see. A drop in your other endogenously produced hormones, including testosterone, because your body's like, oh, we're doing this externally now. Sweet. I'm going to take a vacation. See you later. And so maybe what's happening is that, okay, while they are getting a boost in estrogen, they're also not just seeing, like, [00:16:00] An easing up of testosterone, but like that plummeting and that can just screw up their brain in totally different ways in a way that like a normal woman who's having normal endogenous estrogen isn't seeing like a woman who's getting her own natural estrogen production probably also isn't going to have unusually low testosterone.
So I wonder if there's been any research on. Trans women on hormones.
Malcolm Collins: You've invalidated this theory already.
Simone Collins: I have? Okay.
Malcolm Collins: , so what you said that you may not have noticed you said is you have an unusually low level of testosterone. And yet you are peak performance in terms of, I've interacted with a lot of women, I've interacted with few women as smart and creative as you.
Simone Collins: So Well, no, no, no, but what we're also, what we're talking about, Matt, what I'm, what I'm trying to say is what may be happening. The point I'm making is that in addition to being on Exogenous estrogen, their levels of their former levels of testosterone may have plummeted in a way that damages them.
And my point also is that typically men who transition [00:17:00] to women when they're in the creative profession. They're still creating the same kind of content. It's not like once, then once they transition to women, they're like switched to writing romance novels and like soft stuff. Like they're staying in action films and video games and things like that.
And men are just better at writing that just like men are funnier. Like men are better in comedy, I would argue. Like maybe the problem is that with a lot of these creative people, they're not realizing that what they used to be good at. is going to be different now that they're on a different hormonal profile.
Malcolm Collins: And I, I think that this is the right answer. So, and I, and I think, well, it's not, it's, it's part of the right answer. I think there is a few right answers to this. So we're going to be uniquely charitable to trans people. I think the actual answer that we're looking at here is if you look at like Mass Effect 2, remember I said Mass Effect 2, I loved Mass Effect 2, writing.
Yeah. What makes Mass Effect 2 so good is it has very good lore. It has very good background lore, who the species are, how they interact, the background of the universe, what happened when humans first met [00:18:00] them, what are their, like, biology, everything like that. This is the type of stuff that a male brain specializes at writing.
This isn't interpersonal interactions, this isn't any of that stuff, right? Like, this isn't, when I think, like, what do females specialize at writing, I'm thinking, like, Slash fan fiction type stuff and then expand it, you know, your your 50 shades of gray type stuff your interview with a vampire type stuff they are not universes that are great because of their lore They are universes that are great because of their emotional pulls and characters
Simone Collins: I mean, I think of jk rowling and harry potter, which is one of the most popular fan universes That is a good lore universe.
I'll agree. Yeah But then you know, I also think like I struggle with this because i've been thinking about this as we've talked about it You Think about people like Ayn Rand, whose work comes across as pretty masculine to me. But then I also think about Ayn Rand's lifestyle. And I feel like she was probably a very high testosterone woman.
When you, when you look at how she lived her life, like wasn't she polyamorous too? It's a point
Malcolm Collins: Simone, that these [00:19:00] individuals rose to fame and prominence and honed their skill to optimize their brain as it existed before transition. No,
Simone Collins: exactly. And then transitioning, they don't realize that like. They don't have the hormonal profile for that anymore.
It's
Malcolm Collins: not just that they don't have the hormonal profile. They spent their entire adolescence, university career, and everything like that honing one instrument. And then somebody took that instrument away and gave them another instrument. They think that basically they spent their entire life learning to become a guitar expert.
And then somebody gave them like a, a mandolin and they're trying to play it like they're playing a guitar. And they, and they need to learn a completely new instrument. And the reality is, is that an individual who undergoes a gender transition may never be as good at creative tasks as somebody born into that gender because they just didn't undergo adolescence as that gender.
They didn't. Learn how to use that instrument the way somebody of that [00:20:00] gender would have over their entire lives Learn to use that instrument and this is even taking a transgender's person's perspective on this saying Yes, when you gender transition your brain actually transitions to be more like the brain of a female That being the case.
That means you're not going to know how to use it. Like you're just not going to have the expertise and so when I look at the mistakes I see Both in the matrix later matrix series and veil guard they are mistakes in the things that women are typically really good at which is interpersonal relationship stuff they are interpersonal relationship scenes that are done by women Terrifically poorly.
Like, like almost inhumanly poorly. Like, you wouldn't expect even a child to think it was a good idea to release this.
Simone Collins: Right.
Malcolm Collins: So that could be an explanation. What do you think of that theory?
Simone Collins: I don't see how you're making the connection, because you're arguing that you, you've gone from [00:21:00] as a trans woman, to being a trans woman.
A very masculine mindset to now a feminized mindset. And yet you're still trying to write masculine scenes. And theoretically they'd be better at that. Cause now they're on all this. That's not what I'm saying. That's not what I'm
Malcolm Collins: saying. Consider the analogy I just use. It's like you have a new instrument.
Okay. They learned how to use a masculine brain to do what a masculine brain was good at doing. They now have a feminine brain. They need to. Completely learn writing from scratch. It's like they are now it's, it's not like they, they
Simone Collins: understand where the instrument like play out the instrument analogy, like they learned how to play violin now they're given a piano and they suck at playing piano.
Is that all you're saying?
Malcolm Collins: They spent 30 years of their life learning to play violin. Okay. Now they are a piano player. A piano was put in front of them. And they have to learn to play that piano as well as a world expert who has been training on the piano [00:22:00] for 30 years. You're just
Simone Collins: saying that like they lack the practice and that's why they suck.
It's not
Malcolm Collins: that they lack the practice. the practice. It's that they built expertise to become a world class player was a completely different instrument and then had the arrogance to assume that when they switched out that instrument, they would still be in a world class league and they just aren't. In fact, they're not just at not a world class league.
They're at a league that a five year old girl would be at because they've had a girl brain for five years and a five year old girl has had a girl brain for five years.
Simone Collins: So this reminds me a little bit of that similar phenomenon where you will have a Nobel Prize winner in physics or something, decide that they're going to enter nutrition influencing, and then they just like give the worst advice in the entire world and people believe them because they won a Nobel Prize and you're saying like, yeah, you know, the Wachowski sister is like amazing films and then people are like, okay.
Well, but now they're women. I [00:23:00] mean, it's not exactly the same situation, but yeah, essentially it's this, you, you assume that you're going to be able to do well in this new life because you're, you've, you've hit it out of the park so far and how you can't do wrong. And I guess you are looking at, in these cases that we're looking at with this video game and with Wachowski films.
People who may have gotten into their heads that and been surrounded by people who believe they can do no wrong because they've really done great work. And maybe that's also an issue. And maybe you don't see this at the level of. everyday people who are transitioning because they haven't been told that they walk on water and they aren't just assuming that everything they touch turns to gold.
So maybe they're not so Well, I
Malcolm Collins: don't know. So I've actually seen this with and it's, it's, it's a really distinct thing you see. Cause I, I have a lot of, you know, trans friends who have transitioned and people would be like, Oh my God, you know, you say critical things about like gender transition and trans people in sports.
You can't possibly have trans friends. And it's like, not all trans people are that brainwashed. There's like some [00:24:00] real. Trans people out there who are normal, non creepy people and I think that when I look at the posts and when I look at the content that they make, one common complaint they have is everyone around them, especially if they're coders, begins to act as if they don't know what they're talking about anymore.
And their understanding of this is, They all think, and all the trans women I know, when I talk to them, they're like, Oh, everyone thinks I don't know how to code anymore. They think that this is a sign of discrimination against women. When it really might be that they're just becoming shittier coders.
And they are, and I think that similar with Veil Guard, something about this happening makes these individuals. Unable to see that criticism may be justified. So when you look at Veilguard and you look at these interpersonal interactions, you're like, Oh my God, these are painful.
Speaker 14: You've got no problem fighting other Qunari. I'm from Ravaine. Not like I follow the Qun. You've got the arm ropes? [00:25:00] Sure. I wear a lot of stuff. You don't get to tell me who I am
Speaker 16: Still a stupid name. Dragon King. Dragons wouldn't have kings. They'd have queens.
Malcolm Collins: Well, if these individuals think that this is normal interaction, if they think that this is normal hitting on someone, if they think that this is normal flirting if they were a coder, would they not?
In the same way, not realize in intersocial interactions that they may not be in the right. And I think that this is a separate problem that happens with the trans community is they end up in their social environments. We're being validated and not being told that they have overstepped social boundaries, which is really normal because they can.
Okay.
Simone Collins: Yeah. So basically leftist culture. Has done the same thing to even normal, mediocre people in like their everyday careers. What fame and fortune has done to the Wachowski sisters where they're like, you can do no wrong. You're amazing. So brave. And then they just [00:26:00] also still assume that they're fine.
Well, yeah, they're being.
Malcolm Collins: Leftist culture is about validating people when they use specific arguments. Not all the time. Yeah, like to the point
Simone Collins: of gaslighting. Gaslighting people about their competence and success, as long as they're leaning into the approved progressive culture.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah, and it can cause them, I think, think to not realize when their skills are slipping when contrasted with their coworkers.
And the arguments that I hear from them is I've been in this industry for X many years. Therefore I know better than these other people, but that's a very feminine argument. Like men don't argue like that. They don't say I've been in this industry for longer than you have. Therefore I know better. It's I did X thing recently, therefore I know better.
Like here, look, this is where you're practically wrong on this. And I think that there's a secondary phenomenon here, which I actually think is what causes more of the Wachowski effect. So far I've been very generous. [00:27:00]
Simone Collins: Okay.
Malcolm Collins: However, as I have said, well, I do believe that some individuals are like, if I believe that.
Human body is gender dimorphic, which it is, and the human brain is gender dimorphic, which it is. Are there rare instances where somebody is born with a brain that is gender dimorphic in a different way? I mean, yeah, it must happen in some rare set of circumstances.
Simone Collins: No, no, no, but like, I think that's also actually shown in some studies where people who identified, at least before this whole trans thing was big, as gay tended to show certain thought patterns and fMRIs or something like that.
Yeah, but
Malcolm Collins: you didn't see this as trans individuals. Yeah,
Simone Collins: but they were more similar to, but yeah, but these days now especially with natal women, they're like, Oh, you're into women. You must be trans. So like, I don't know.
Malcolm Collins: So now what we have is a phenomenon where. And I think anyone who's being honest knows this.
You can look at our heads. Trans identity been used by a cult to grow. There is a self [00:28:00] replicating mimetic virus that has used the protections that trans identity offers. And when I say the protections that it offers, it's that there is at least certain communities you can go to. And once you've been infected with the virus, it.
Directs you to coat yourself in these communities that will prevent the virus from ever being questioned or threatened That only cares about self replication It doesn't care about making individuals lives better. It doesn't care about efficacy It is like a memetic cordyceps virus that infects an individual's brain and people don't know the cordyceps virus
Spores from a parasitic fungus called cordyceps have infiltrated their bodies and their minds.
Its infected brain directs this ant upwards. Those afflicted, that are discovered by the workers, are quickly taken away and dumped far away from the colony. It seems extreme. But this is the reason why. Like something out of science fiction, the fruiting body of the cordyceps erupts [00:29:00] from the ant's head. And when finished, the deadly spores will burst from its tip.
The fungus is so virulent, it can wipe out whole colonies of ants. And it's not just ants that fall victim to this killer. The more numerous a species becomes, the more likely it'll be attacked
Malcolm Collins: A lot of people who are trans these days, I think are really just infected with a self replicating memetic virus, which cares nothing about them.
In many of them, it leads to, I mean, as we know, the unaliving attempt rate within the trans community is around 50%. Incredibly high. Wait, is
Simone Collins: it that, is it really that high? I thought it was 35%,
Malcolm Collins: yeah.
Simone Collins: Gosh. Okay.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah, it is. It is people who are like, Oh, gender transition solves this. It's like, well, the data is actually not as strong as you would think there.
And they're like, well, it at least lowers it. And it's like, well, we know from when the Travis dot clinic was being dismantled, they had internal data that they hadn't shared publicly that showed that when somebody goes on purity blockers, their unaliving rate goes up [00:30:00] significantly. That's disturbing
Simone Collins: because so many parents, proceeded with youth gender transition being told that their children would end themselves if they didn't support it.
Malcolm Collins: Well, I mean, this is the problem with the virus, right? The virus kills individuals. And we know from the, um, no normal psychological field. Would you tell somebody, Oh, you have X problem. And if you don't do X, then you're going to, Unalive yourself because of course it's going to lead to a higher rate of unaliving oneself is an incredibly sticky thing.
It's in fact such a sticky thing that it used to be like when you would go to journalism school, you had to go to specific classes about never publishing stories when somebody did this, etc. Because it was so contagious as a concept. And yet it is built in as a concept here. People are like, Oh, well, what about kids who get this?
Look at this, the, the study the 2023 study gender discontentedness and nonconforming use. It shows that of 11 year olds who don't identify with their birth gender more than nine out of 10 to [00:31:00] them completely identify was it by the time that you reached 23. And when you're looking at these really high unaliving rates, of course, like you're like, Oh yeah, this.
this should not be promoted in these age ranges. But what I'm saying here, you know, separately than this, because here we're talking about the Wachowski effect is if it is this sort of cordyceps virus that begins to eat more and more of their throats, Thoughts and it becomes the only thing they can focus on.
It also explains why they add it in so many places throughout the game. Like, if I'm a man, I don't in my games, add a bunch of like women being degraded just automatically, or if I'm a woman, I don't add a bunch of like 50 shades of gays, gray stuff to every game.
Simone Collins: Please tell me that this is a game porn video because it needs to be.
Malcolm Collins: I am a no, no, but if I have like a fetish, right? Like I don't add that to everything if I'm a gay guy, like a lot of gay guys can write a game without adding like really uncomfortable gay [00:32:00] scenes throughout the game. They would be like, oh, yeah, if I force like the main character, so there's like a scene where you can like practically be forced to identify as trans accidentally in this game.
Speaker 9: Here we go. Take a long hard look at in it, kid. It'll always show the face of a hero who can get it done. Establishes transgender identity. I love who I am. It feels good to see the real me.
I mean, every single option makes me transgender. I, I, there's no option not to be transgender.
Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx): Nope. There is actually a back button here for anybody who is listening to this on podcast. , he is pretending not to notice it for comedic effect or maybe he doesn't notice it. , but every option within this particular sub menu does force you to be trans.
, so a person might get forced into this.
If they were playing in a style where they didn't go back on any choices they made.
Speaker 9: It's a, this is, makes me trans, this one does, and this one does. I don't know why I have to be trans, This is what Donald Trump was talking about!
I'm [00:33:00] getting there! It feels good to see the real me!
Speaker 10: It took a while for me to figure out why the face staring back from the mirror felt wrong. But once I was able to be honest with myself, It was a relief to figure out I was trans. And it's worth it to look in the mirror today and see the man I am staring back.
Speaker 9: Can I, can I do it again? Uh,
well,
alright.
Malcolm Collins: If I force a character to be gay in this game, like the protagonist, people aren't going to like it. And this is a project that people spent 10 years of their life on. And a company spent a quarter billion dollars on, I should not be putting this into a game. And if you're gay, like normal gay people are going to be like, yeah, that makes sense.
Even [00:34:00] like non normal gay people that are like, yeah, that makes sense. also, I
Simone Collins: feel the really weird thing about all this too, is that, you know, it's a trope, but I think tropes and stereotypes come from a place of truth because patterns emerge, et cetera. Right. Not always, but frequently. Gay people are kind of famously good creatively.
Like trans people, you just think that like, because if they're all part of the LGBTQ, whatever community that like, Hmm, like things would get a little better.
Speaker 25: All civilization was just an effort to impress the opposite sex. And sometimes the same sex.
Malcolm Collins: But yeah I agree with you on that.
Well, I think that this is, this is part of it is I think a lot of the people. And I know that this is super offensive who undergo gender transition are just homophobic gay people. And they undergo gender transition because it's for them an easier way to deal. And there's some cultures where this is just [00:35:00] obviously true.
This is why in a lot of these ultra conservative cultures like Iran and stuff like that, due to transition is how you deal with same sex attraction. You know, I, I can totally understand. And I think that anyone who looks honestly, you can be like, are some people who transition here. I'm not saying everyone here.
I'm not saying most. Are some people who gender transition homophobic gay people. Yeah, like of course some home. Yeah, you're gonna
Simone Collins: get some you're gonna get some yeah
Malcolm Collins: and so would Mr. Garrison Right, like, that's the he represents that but yeah
Speaker 28: I've Forgiven you for walking out on me after I had my sex change.
And, uh, and I'm ready to take you back,
Speaker 27: there's something you should know.
Al and I are getting married.
Speaker 28: You can't get married, you're f*****s! Oh, Jesus Christ, Mr. Slave. I am legally a woman. Now, if you wanna get married, you have to marry me.
Speaker 27: Colorado is about to pass a bill, which allows same sex marriage. We'll just see about this, you fudge packin fags! I'll stop that gay marriage law! [00:36:00] Oh my god, you're just saying that because you're jealous! Jealous of what? I'm
Speaker 28: doing this out of principle! To protect the sanctity of marriage!
Malcolm Collins: So for some of these individuals they might have been drawn to the creative industry originally because they had that gay super creative ability.
But I think that the whole gaze being really good with the creative arts also shows you don't need to insert gender identity and sexuality into everything that you're doing. And for whatever reason these individuals do.
Simone Collins: Well, and I, I'm still so curious because this seems to be a consistent trend.
What that reason is part of me also then turns to the conservative Christian community, at least in the U S which is like, birth control is terrible for you. Like exogenous hormones at all are a really bad idea. And then when you take someone who is transitioning, that's that on steroids, like just that level of medical intervention is going to mess with you anyway.
Like someone who's recovering from a major surgery, someone who's coming off a lot of drugs, like they also were probably going to [00:37:00] be. not in the best creative place. Could this also just be an issue of too much medical intervention? People recovering from surgery, people going through. I mean, also, I don't think
Malcolm Collins: it is.
I think I think it's an obsession. I think that the way that the virus works is that turns it into a personal obsession for an individual. When an individual is heavily infected with this particular memetic virus, it becomes a huge chunk. Of what they think about every day. Now me, for example, I think about my gender, probably 0.
00001 percent in terms of anything I do, it just does not occupy much of my thoughts throughout the day. I get the impression from this sort of content and people can be like, Oh, maybe this content is being villainized because people hate trans content. Right. And that's just not true. Baldur's Gate three was one of the most celebrated games of the year.
And you could have your you know, a female looking character [00:38:00] have a penis or your male looking character have a vagina. You could do whatever you wanted in this game, right? Well, but
Simone Collins: also, is this a bad toupee problem? Do we just not, there are lots of really amazing trans writers that No,
Malcolm Collins: there were not any trans writers in Baldur's Gate 3 to my knowledge.
Yeah,
Simone Collins: but do you know also like, there, there are plenty of people Who are trans in passing and like you just don't know like it's just a hot woman I I mean, I don't know.
Malcolm Collins: I think it's actually very specifically not a bad toupee problem Because what we have are instances of an individual before transition being world class at something Same individual after transition being worse than a teenage girl.
So the question is is why? And also, like, why is it all so grapey? I, that's the other thing, like, is this just a systemic problem for people? And I, and I actually think it is a systemic problem. And I don't even think that this is their fault, but they don't realize and they lack self reflection around it.
Individuals who [00:39:00] learn how to hit on someone as a guy, if you try to reapply that to being a lesbian, you are going to come off as aggressive and grapey.
Speaker 12: Quick think about us having sex.
Malcolm Collins: , Whereas a guy, you learned how to do that in an, like a different sexual environment. And so when I see the types of scenes where, like the scene where the girl's being pinned against a wall and she hasn't really consented to this this scene is If it, if it was a cis guy who was doing this, I don't think that that many women would be as terrified because they'd be like, Oh, well, no, they would be as terrified.
But like, it's just guy would know better. I think the problem is, is that they learned that they need to be aggressive while they were a guy and then they transitioned and they. The, the, the restrictions on their aggression fell off because they begin to categorize every woman who [00:40:00] resisted their aggression as transphobic.
And so they, they had the aggression and dominance you would expect from somebody who grew up engaging people as a male, but you didn't have the common sense of, If the girl looks scared or intimidated, I need to back off immediately.
Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah. I, I could see that. And
Malcolm Collins: it could be that all these defense mechanisms that they've built up around this leads to them being like, like just barreling through a lot of guards.
Yeah.
Simone Collins: How'd you like to wind this one up?
Malcolm Collins: I love you. Like, I think with all of this is it's an interesting phenomenon because I'm trying to come at this phenomenon. Without any particular like, yeah, I'm the type of person who thinks that the trans community oversteps a lot, whether it is gender transition in youth or whether it is trans people in sports, but I also don't think trans people should feel uncomfortable jobs, for example.
However, I do think that we need to be realistic [00:41:00] about how this seems to be a real thing, that people who are world class in a space seem to start sucking after they transition if it's, In a creative industry.
Simone Collins: And we don't want that to happen too. So like, even if you care about trans people thriving, you don't want their careers to bomb after they transition.
You want them to thrive after they transition. I
Malcolm Collins: didn't want the matrixes to start sucking, you know, like, I, you the matrices ma, whatever. The point being is like, we don't want this, this is not like a us you know, it's a. This is a fascinating phenomenon that I'd love to understand better, but I know that we're not allowed to concede it exists.
Yeah, I, I find this phenomenon fascinating, I want to maybe, maybe even a trans individual could understand it better when they're like, yeah, I realized after I transitioned, I started to suck at things I was previously really good at. And like, would that, is that not in a way gender affirming? I mean, women [00:42:00] aren't funny.
Like, is it not gender affirming?
Simone Collins: I don't know. I mean, I don't know when, when I'm, when I go through pregnancy and, or other interventions with hormones and stuff, it can screw me up, you know, it, it can mess with me or, and there's even been times when you've been like, Simone, you're, you're really, really mean.
And I'm like, no, I'm not. And I can't see it. No, you're hard to, you're not.
Malcolm Collins: Never. I say that you're mean, and it's a hormonal thing. You're always like, yes, I am, and I'll work on it. But understand that it, you know, I, I don't, there's only so much
Simone Collins: I can do when I have like, very
Malcolm Collins: perspective on this stuff.
Simone Collins: But don't you remember that one time, the last time I got Overstimulate ovarian sorry. Ovarian hyperstimulation. And my estrogen was like really off the charts. Like, you guys should be worried about this off the charts. And you were like, Simone.
Malcolm Collins: You're so mean.
Simone Collins: I do
Malcolm Collins: remember saying that you're being unusual.
I was kind of
Simone Collins: denying it at that time. You weren't denying
Malcolm Collins: it at all. You were like, look, I have X hormone levels right now. I'm trying my best to [00:43:00] handle it. Please work around. And I'm like, yeah, sure.
Simone Collins: It wasn't working. Anyway I, I still I have fascination with this from a more medical perspective.
Like, I think that there are chemical things that are going on. And I think it's important to understand, especially if you're considering a medical transition for yourself. And even if you're not, because like from a nootropic standpoint, from all these other standpoints, your hormonal composition affects you, and it's really cool, I mean, we have a big natural experiment in trans people, and I wish that more longitudinal research was being done, because here we're seeing the effect that totally voluntarily taken exogenous hormones have on people and maybe they're not all negative.
Like, I'd like to see where it's helping people. So, anyway, this is a fascinating subject and I'm glad that you discussed it. But unfortunately, the Wachowski effect is not to describe something going well. [00:44:00]
Malcolm Collins: Well, no, but it is to describe something that's gender affirming.
Simone Collins: Yes. It's not
Malcolm Collins: gender affirming that when a person transitions to a woman that they suck at writing.
Speaker 29: Say something funny, Wendy. We can't wait. I'm not funny. Hey, girls are funny, Wendy, okay? Get over it. Just do women's comedy stuff, you know, talk about how fat you are and how you want to have sex with guys and then say, My vagina a lot. I don't feel like being funny right now. And that's just the kind of sexist bullcrap that's going to keep you in the kitchen.
Sit your ass down. This isn't a joke, you guys. Girls are funny.
Simone Collins: No, there are amazing female writers and creatives that do amazing works. I just don't think it's like, well, women just suck at this stuff. Maybe it's There are certain types of writing women suck at. Yeah, like there aren't very many female sci fi writers. And, and yet there are lots of fantasy writers that are very successful.
Obviously women dominate in romance. So yeah, I mean there, there are certainly places that are dominated by certain, certain genders. All
Malcolm Collins: right. Love you to death, Simone. Love you too. [00:45:00] Have a spectacular day. Bye.
Simone Collins: I was speaking or texting with that mother that I really admire that I keep telling you and I realized when talking with her about her process, because obviously she's 7 kids soon, 8, that when you become a parent of a really large family. It's not what people think it is. I think they think just like, it's like being in the Weasley household, you know, everything's crazy, but really everything you do just is done on a commercial scale.
You become a commercial restaurant. You become a commercial clothing warehouse. You become, and you're doing all these things the way that a business would do it or that a caterer would do it. And it's not actually harder. To make a meal for 100 people, I would argue, you know, 50 people it's just a different process.
But once you get that process down, it's quite doable. And I feel really grateful that when I grew up, I worked well, sort of volunteered with my, my parents when they were doing [00:46:00] whitewater raft. Stuff because all the river guides also did all the cooking, all the cleaning up after dinner. Like they did like all the catering, everything, they packed all the lunches.
So I got really used to like industrial scale, baking, cooking and cleaning. And it just, when you think about parenting a large family from that perspective, it becomes so much more feasible and you just have, you just have to think about it differently, but it's not like children times. 567. It's more either you have two or three or four Children or you have.
Big family. There's not this like incremental increase in work. It's just
Malcolm Collins: Why once you get to like, a few kids it gets so easy and it's easier from the beginning If you plan to have a lot of kids, yeah, because you're doing it
Simone Collins: industrial style Everything is purchased in bulk meals are made in bulk washing is done in bulk, but like purchasing is done Like on industrial [00:47:00] scale, it's just, it's great.
Malcolm Collins: Well, and it forces a degree of frugality and practicality in all your decisions. You can't be like, Oh, Timmy would like this toy. It's more like, is this toy going to work for four generations of kids? Yeah. Like this
Simone Collins: mother has this really organized system for drink cups, for example, because it's not like every kid can have their little weird drink cup.
Everyone has. One cup and they all have different colors. So everyone knows where their cup is. Like the cups all go in the same, like stacked shelf. They all are the same style. So they fit together and they go in, like, that makes so much more sense. Also, it's so much less stressful than like, Oh, well for my, my youngest daughter, he, she has this cup.
And then my older daughter, she has this cup and like, you have to, you know, you're losing it all the time and it's a problem and this just, yeah. There's in so many ways, it's way lower stress. Like, honestly. I would rather cook a meal for 50 people than for like two persnickety people. From a [00:48:00] chef perspective, it's just a lot easier and the food's not worse.
Sometimes it's, it's easier to screw up a two person meal than it is to screw up a 50 person meal. So yeah, I just, it changed the way I looked at parenting and I love that she constantly blows my mind with that. All right. Let's do it.
Speaker 31: What you doing, buddy? You don't
like phonics? That's phonics, buddy. Shimmy, what else does your Chromebook do?
Do you like it? Do you like [00:49:00] school?
Tactical Mastery: How Mossad's Ingenious Pagers Dismantled Hezbollah In this episode, the hosts delve into the meticulous and strategic operations of Mossad, Israel's intelligence agency, that led to a significant strike on Hezbollah. They explore the sophisticated tactics used, including the installation of explosive devices in pager batteries and walkie-talkies, which effectively maimed Hezbollah operatives and disrupted their communication network. Through an in-depth analysis of these events, the conversation sheds light on the precision and ingenuity behind Mossad's actions, while intentionally setting aside the moral debates to focus purely on their tactical execution. Additionally, the hosts draw parallels between these intelligence strategies and modern marketing techniques, discussing relevance in business and non-profit advocacy. The conversation is rounded off with broader reflections on conflict resolution strategies and the responsibilities of leadership in making tough decisions.
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Malcolm Collins: Hello simone today. We are going to be talking about an interesting topic, which actually Is transformed the way that we personally think about things like looking for jobs, attracting press and attracting donors, which was how Mossad, that's Israel's intelligence agency, pulled off the major strike on the On Hezbollah and a lot more information has come out about this over time.
So I'm going to try to paint a full picture, including a lot of things that I'm pretty sure that even you didn't know, Simone, here's, for example, an interesting one. I didn't know. Did you know about the security feature? A thing on this where to decode a message with the pager that they had sold to Hezbollah.
You needed to have both hands on the device.
Simone Collins: Oh, interesting.
Malcolm Collins: Wow. The way it worked is they built a security feature where you could only decode it encoded [00:01:00] Hezbollah message. If you had both of your hands on the device, like holding it in different locations, which ensured. When they send out the initial thing to make the devices explode it only exploded when people were answering this specific coded message.
So they had to have both of their hands on the device when it exploded, which ensured that bunch of their
Simone Collins: proximity, like someone didn't have a pager sitting on their nightstand and so
Malcolm Collins: there were two different instances of the explosion. The first instance was they sent out a coded message. And then anybody who hadn't answered that message, their pagers then later exploded like the next day or something all at once.
But the important thing about the message is it removed these people from fighter capabilities. If you don't have your two hands, whatever other injuries you have, you can't shoot a gun. And so the goal there was to remove them from fighter capabilities. There's all sorts of cool stuff like that, that you will learn.
And I just like to As we go [00:02:00] into this, I am not going to give my standard Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah rant this time. So just I'm sort of leaving morality at the door. What
Simone Collins: we're talking about here is the tactical that went into Mossad's actions, which for those who have been living in a cave. They managed to get that is to say, Mossad, Israel's intelligence apparatus, managed to get a hostile entity, Mossad to purchase a bunch of pagers that it had created that were, that had embedded bombs that were used for monitoring and this was done for years.
And then recently, this year, they detonated them, maiming quite a few people. Basically a huge devastating attack, not just in terms of one sort of violent strike that took place on one day, but also sort of dismantling their communication infrastructure. So this was a very impressive feat.
We're [00:03:00] not talking about what was right or wrong morally. What we're talking about is how they got to do this and what, in terms of operating tactically as humans. Businesses, non profits, advocates.
Malcolm Collins: So, again, just leaving all of the morality out of this, all of the, well, they killed this many people. Well, they killed this many people. That's not the point of this particular talk.
And if you want to see us go on and on about Israel, Palestine, the moral weight of the equation, we do that in plenty of other episodes. In this particular episode, we are going to focus on how this was all accomplished. So the gist,
the pagers went off around 3. 30 p. m. All in all, this particular attack injured around 3, 000 individuals. And keep in mind that for most of those individuals, it was losing both their hands. So it disabled them in terms of being fighters. Did it
Simone Collins: like completely lose their hands? Like, I just, I never really heard that much about what actually happened.
Like, how bad
Malcolm Collins: hands. As I said, they had to have both hands on it for it to go off. Wow. [00:04:00] Well, I mean, but that,
Simone Collins: like, were their hands just burned or were they literally blown off?
Malcolm Collins: Blown off.
Simone Collins: Wow. Okay.
Malcolm Collins: 30. Now, now, some of them were in the second round of the attack, but it seems like the vast majority were in this initial round because they, it went around.
Don't touch them after that. Get them away from you. So, 37 died in total, and that included at least, if we are to believe the governments that were in league with Hezbollah two children, one 8 year old and one 11 year old.
Sad, but again, I'm always a little skeptical of the governments that are involved in this stuff.
So, let's go and talk through how the plan actually worked. But, the fir And I will notice actually kind of remarkable how targeted this attack was when you consider broad attack operations that it didn't just mostly target individuals just in Hezbollah, but specifically high level command and operation individuals who would have had access to these.
And then it was [00:05:00] followed up almost immediately afterwards, a few days afterwards with. An explosion of a second booby trap device that many of them had, which was their walkie talkies, which had actually not just been booby trapped, but booby trapped in a completely separate instance of booby trapping, which we'll get to.
And I'd been transmitting everything Hezbollah had been saying over them to Masaad for the past 10 years. This is like
Simone Collins: a level of spycraft that I feel is, is, is cinematic. It is. Yeah. Unbelievable. In the sophistication
Malcolm Collins: specifically with the walkie talkies. The first part of this involved rigging the walkie talkies was oversized batteries that concealed explosives, allowing massage to ease drop on Hezbollah communications for nearly a decade.
The walkie talkies were distributed as early as 2015, giving Israel full access to Hezbollah's communication network while lying dormant as potential bombs ready to be detonated at a moment's notice. One interesting fact that we can now ferret [00:06:00] out is that it does appear that Hamas did keep the January 7th attacks secret from Hezbollah, because if Hezbollah had known Israel would have done
Simone Collins: right.
And you've kept saying, like, how could it possibly be that Mossad had this level of infiltration of Hezbollah when Hamas was planning all this and they didn't know that Hamas was planning for October 7th, but theoretically, it could be really nailing it in, you know, You know, he statistics and just bomb history like it.
It happens, right? So,
Malcolm Collins: yeah. So, in 2022, a new opportunity arose leading Hamas to focus on a more innovative device. The AR 924 pager. Now I will note actually with the walkie talkie device. One of the things that was actually in a lot of people consider this pretty bad form that this was done is because they went off so soon after the first device, many of them ended up going off at the [00:07:00] funerals of the first round of victims which is generally considered very bad form in conflict, but it was incredibly effective.
And we'll get to this at the end here, but Hezbollah has basically been almost entirely dismantled at its core. Network level and upper levels to the extent that people are calling this the best both intelligence and counter terrorism or operation run in the past century. And that it was like, like better than anything that was done during World War II, better than anything that was done during the Cold War in terms of its effectiveness and just completely taking this down.
And there's been Because they were also
Simone Collins: preying upon, basically, well, you can't Use email, you can't use cell phones, you can't use any modern form of technology because other intelligence forces, including facade are monitoring those. And so ultimately, it's the facade through it's it's. So many levels pushed, pushed Hezbollah to these devices.
It's [00:08:00] not like they want to just use pagers and walkie talkies. They were doing that because already Mossad's prowess in cyber warfare was so strong. So there's like attacks on all sides.
Malcolm Collins: Yes. And one of my favorite memes that came out of this with the Babylon Bee article, Rashib Taleb uninjured after her pager mysteriously explodes.
This is a very pro Palestine American politician. But anyway, to continue here, let's start with the construction of the pagers themselves. The explosive component, pentelthritol, tetrine, otherwise known as ketamine, P. E. T. N. Did the most damage. Massad technicians found a way to insert a very thin square sheet of P.
E. T. N. between two battery cells and a strip of highly flammable material to act as the detonator. The entire package was placed in a plastic sleeve, which was encapsulated in a metal case, roughly the size of a matchbox when the command was given, the flammable strip generated a spark to light the detonator and trigger [00:09:00] the PNTN to explode.
The explosives took away some of the battery's power, which Hezbollah noticed when the battery would drain faster than expected. However, they never put 2 and 2 together and continued use of the device. Now, This is really fascinating because it meant that these devices could not be detected in an x ray and they could not be detected even if the devices were dismantled because they did not use the things that you're typically searching for, which is traditional explosives or a wick.
So there wasn't anything to look for, which is kind of a bad thing because it means if any of them didn't explode now Hezbollah has plans for a device that can easily get through airport security, which they almost certainly did when they got these devices. They almost certainly scan them through x rays, dismantled them, look through them.
You would not have been able to turn this even as an explosive expert. And I note here that the point of putting it between the two batteries wasn't just to hide it, but it was also to [00:10:00] amplify the explosion using the power of the batteries.
Simone Collins: Oh, that makes sense. Because I was thinking, how could you possibly have something as small as a pager blow off someone's hands when the explosive device is such a thin film of material, but that makes sense.
Because there are plenty of concerns. I mean, anyone who's flown recently has been asked if they're checking luggage, if there are any batteries in their bag, because batteries can be explosive. So now it's okay. Yeah,
Malcolm Collins: we're very large, oversized batteries that were meant to last a month.
Simone Collins: Right. And this was a selling point of the pagers, just how quote unquote rugged they were.
And so there would be this oversized battery.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah. How they explained that these had a unique battery that were non standard in other models.
Simone Collins: Yes.
Malcolm Collins: So the cover story was particularly interested here and this gets to like where we can learn personally from this.
Simone Collins: Yeah.
Malcolm Collins: The PETN battery pack that Mossad constructed had a label on it.
L. I. B. T. 7 8 3. This was an issue because that specific battery did not [00:11:00] exist. Massad started by creating a custom model for the entire pager. A. R. 9 to 4. They approached a renowned Taiwanese brand, Gold Apollo, to add it to their catalogue. Huizhi the chairman of Gold Apollo, was approached by a former employee and her new boss, named Tom, to inquire about adding the model.
Qingquan said that While he wasn't impressed with the AR 924 when he saw it, he agreed to grant a license under the brand and add photos and description of the product to his company's website, thus unknowingly establishing the legitimacy of the Mossad pager. Oh, by the way, I should note here, I am reading an unrolled tweet here, and I'll add in post who it's by.
Microphone (2- ATR2100x-USB Microphone): Raelynn to givens.
Malcolm Collins: In September 2023, a website came online with the A. R. 924 listed as a product. This site was tied to a Hong Kong based company. Apollo Systems. H. K. of which no record exists today. In [00:12:00] late 2023 two additional. Stapes came online with the LIBT783 battery listed in their product list, amongst other legitimate units.
The sales pitch came from a trusted source, a marketing official with links to the Apollo brand. This individual, a former Middle Eastern sale representative of the Taiwanese company that manufactured the pagers, had Massad's involvement. She established her own company, Obtained a license to sell products and unknowingly facilitated the sale to Hezbollah, according to Israeli officials familiar with the operation.
She convinced Hezbollah leaders that the AR 924 pager was perfect for their needs. Quote, she was the one in touch with Hezbollah and explained to them why the bigger pager with a larger battery was better than the original model, end quote, said an Israeli official. So this is the thing that's really interesting about HALT.
All of this was laid out. They had no one implanted within Hezbollah in order to get them to [00:13:00] buy these. They didn't. In other words,
Simone Collins: they, they enabled, they set the gears in place for Hezbollah to independently decide that this was the best decision. So it's. There's a scene in, in my big fat Greek wedding where the, the, the protagonist's mother talks about how you, you have to, as, as a, a wife, get your husband to come to, to decide that it was all his idea in the beginning.
And she just lays the ideas and, and he sort of incepts his mind with ultimately the right course of action, but it all has to be his decision in the end
Speaker 3: We must let Costa think this was his idea that he came up with. Alright, now he's gonna figure it out. Don't you worry. I know what to do.
Speaker 4: I have your answer. Tula will go to the travel agency, and you send Nikki here to work for us. Oh,
Speaker: I can't believe that.
Speaker 4: Wonderful.
Speaker: Wonderful! [00:14:00] You see, a man You're so smart! Gus! Gus! Oh, Gus!
Simone Collins: is exactly what it like, is Israel or Mossad in this case, Greek mothered. Hezbollah into deciding for itself that it was going to purchase these pagers.
Good people? They're Greeks, and Greeks are just Jews without money.
Simone Collins: It was a total inception moment, and I find that really fascinating. And I also think that it's, it's a very relevant way for things to happen. In an age in which we have a new ways, I think of deciding whether something is true, whether a product is worth buying, right? Like we don't these days, I mean, okay.
A lot of people are really gullible and they just like buy something immediately on Tik Tok shop. But I think when most people are seriously deciding on a product, they're not going to believe ads. They're not going to believe what's website copy. [00:15:00] We're going to like Google around, look at forums, see what people are saying on Reddit.
And based on the breadcrumbs that they find online through sources, they trust through sources they think are legitimate because they don't look polished or they don't look promotional. Then they're going to buy it. And that is what's so interesting to me. What makes me think, okay, well, if we want people to make bets on us or to decide that we are good partners or friends or sources of help because we do want to be helpful to people.
How can we show up in places where people trust this isn't people used to invest in things like publicists and PR agencies and things like that. So that the New York Times would write about you. But now our times is shilling about someone. No one's gonna like that means nothing. You know, it just means that you played a particular pool or spent a certain amount of money with someone.
So this is fascinating.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah, it is [00:16:00] fascinating. And it's something where we personally, you know, before we go further with this. Think for yourself. How can you turn yourself into the page you're here? How can you ensure that you AstroTurf an online environment so that an intent driven buyer, whether it's an employer, like in our case, like maybe the Trump administration, when they are looking for a specific type of thing, they will find us.
And this is something we've been paying a lot of attention to recently. How do we get our, Because right now, the way a lot of people do searches is A. I. How do we get our content into A. I. Training data? And I actually had a big breakthrough on that today. Simone, you'll be quite exciting. Okay. We got to wait for a bit more follow up, but yeah, we might get into the core AI training data that's used in most AI models these days.
Yeah. All, all of our podcasts and books when they wouldn't have been otherwise, which I'm excited about.
Yeah, it's like, we want to be where the chatbots are. We want to see, want to see them search and [00:17:00] around. What's that word again? Deeds.
Simone Collins: We, we really like, but that's the point that, right, is, is you have to go where people are and you have to go where now AI chat like bots are searching.
And if you aren't there, I think this is something, I think it happens very slowly. Like, oh, indeed. For example there was a sort of a revelation maybe five to seven years ago that traditional ads just weren't working. And a lot of companies. Just turned off their marketing budgets and discovered, lo and behold, their sales were unchanged.
They just happened
Malcolm Collins: with Uber. They turned off, they, they shut down their entire marketing department, which was however many million dollars a year. And it had like a 0 percent effect on sales.
Simone Collins: Yeah. And, and a lot of companies followed suit. And I think this played a big role in the end. It's like. The New York times and a bunch of magazines making money from, for example, print ads.
And I think that also played a big [00:18:00] role in the fall of TV ads where now most of these platforms are making money from subscribers, not from ad revenue in this used to because audiences have shifted to new places. Now YouTube is making all that kind of ad revenue, but even that's kind of it. And it's really interesting.
And, And the problem is that when a lot of people are looking at things, and I see this, for example, with more junior employees at our business when they think like, we're going to promote something, they're like, let's buy ads. They're like, let's post something on Facebook. And that's just not, it may have worked like a long, long time ago, but it doesn't work now.
And the, the, the question now isn't even how are people finding things today, but how will people be finding things? And to your point, importantly, how will I be finding things in six months to a year?
Malcolm Collins: You know, not only was this a feat of engineering that was quite exceptional, it was a feat of [00:19:00] marketing that was quite exceptional.
Marketing to a specific end buyer through a third party that didn't know they were acting on behalf of, has Masaad, which
Simone Collins: is absolutely. I think this, this sure of both. Synthetic data, you know, these companies and these forum posts from people who probably weren't legitimate, you know, that was made up sort of synthetic data combined with legitimate data where they got that one business to list the product in its catalog and combining that because it's a lot harder to get that one.
Like that was a big get for them. I'm sure when they got that, that company's a list in the catalog. And then they knew that if they supplemented that with, with the other thing, that would be enough. Subtle proof points is enough astroturfing to convince the Hezbollah procurement leaders to make that decision and think this is legit.
This looks fine. So that's, I think that's really interesting too, is how do you combine stuff that you post with something else? I think another, another interesting and important factor going forward [00:20:00] is going to be costly signaling from third parties. Like to what extent is someone else willing to.
Invest their reputation and endorsing you in a way that, you know, you, you couldn't get yourself, which is why people are, for example, constantly trying to get on like Rogan podcast because that is a very costly signal on his part. And if we're going to Rogan endorses you. That means something to a bunch of people, but that can be done on a micro scale, a very meaningful way with micro influencers, or even just with very specific people and very specific industries.
Like, my dad works in the ophthalmic industry and he knows that if very specific surgeons. Are willing to be like, oh yeah, I've tried the cannula insertion system. Like it's it's it's legit You're you're good. And if you were to combine that with some synthetic endorsements from other people online, you've got a product So let's
Malcolm Collins: history let's talk about what what they actually ended up doing.
So Users of two [00:21:00] online forums discussing batteries even made posts about LIBT783 and the AR924 praising its quote great performance end quote and ruggedness for field use when Hezbollah searched for a new pager their procurement manager chose the AR924 so they keyword stuffed the astroturfing that they were doing probably on sites like reddit and other tech forums With the word rugged and long battery life which is the two things that they expected that Hezbollah would be looking for.
One of the key selling points was the oversized battery, which I said, which lasted, oh, sorry, not a month, months without needing to be recharged. But what's interesting here, Is this actually served both parties? It served Hezbollah because they could use it for people in remote regions, but it served the Israeli intelligence agency because it added more explosive to the device.
The salesperson who brokered the deal offered a quote very [00:22:00] inexpensive proposition in quote and continued reducing the price until the Hezbollah manager agreed. This is the person who they were selling through.
Simone Collins: No, I mean, I, I think that's also smart and it shouldn't be understated just how much you can leverage both. Just the, the general principle of conservation energy. And that is in the form of like, can you save people mental processing power money? Okay. That's an advantage that you should be leveraging.
And so there's, they're like, well, we're just going to make this an offer. You can't refuse by making these very, very inexpensive.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah, also a thing to note here when we talk about how severely Israel was able to damage Hezbollah here, and I think that this is something that hasn't really been picked up by anyone officially yet but I suspect that this is a big thing that happened is Israel looked at who after the explosions like they used the explosions the trip build.
And the trip build. And locate Hezbollah members because immediately after the chain of explosions, they ended up [00:23:00] targeting a number of high level leaders within Hezbollah. Basically wiping out their entire leadership. And what I was mentioning earlier is there was a British spy who had worked. On Afghanistan.
It was like, how did they achieve this so quickly when we were unable to achieve this in a decade in Afghanistan? Bye bye. Bye. And specifically here the, the Hezbollah launched an internal probe of what went wrong. However, the senior official leading the investigation, Nabil Kwak, was himself killed in an Israeli airstrike just 11 days after the Patriots went off.
The internal investigation is supposedly still in progress, but The organization is mostly defunct now, at least from a high, high level position which is absolutely wild. And when I say defunct, I'm not talking about the political side of Hezbollah, I'm talking about the military side of Hezbollah here.
Also, an interesting thing to note here when you're talking at least about the walkie talkies is when Netanyahu came into office, they were already distributed to individuals. So he was just brought in on this project. [00:24:00] He was not the coordinator of it, although he was sort of, I think, in charge of the pager specific project.
And another thing to talk about here, if you're not broadly familiar with it,
on September 27th, they dropped a bunker buster missile on an operation beneath Beirut. It was personally authorized by Netanyahu. And it ended up killing the, I think the number one guy at Hezbollah who was Hassan Nasarallah, which everyone thought was basically untouchable. So, here, I'll also talk about because I did a deep dive into, like, why specifically Israel has been so much more effective than our own intelligence agencies.
And it appears to be 2 things. 1 is less concerned with civilian casualties. And so the guy who was doing this contrasted, for example, what happened in Beirut was what happened with Osama bin Laden. And he's like, we were fairly certainly knew where Osama bin Laden was.
So we went in with helicopters. [00:25:00] You know, protected even individuals on Osama bin Laden's compound and tried to just take out Osama bin Laden and anyone who is offering active resistance. Whereas when they targeted a group, they're like, yeah, I'll just drop a missile bunker buster all the way down.
Anyone who's in the surrounding buildings, whatever. And it's dramatically easier. And I should also point out that there was a, a, a nuance here, which is when Osama bin Laden was in a ally of ours country. Or at least a country that was pretending to be our ally. So there was a bit more of nuance to making absolutely sure that like, we really were getting Osama bin Laden and that we weren't causing an, I get that, but I do think that this is a big difference.
We see our head enemy and we go in and we land helicopters and we risk lives and we try to whereas Israel was just like, let's take out this entire, just whatever. We have him here for this day. Just take it all out. And I think that we, as we enter a new world, which, [00:26:00] which is what we're entering, it's a world where the U.
S. isn't so, what's the word here? Like unilaterally overpowered within conflicts. When we do get into conflicts where individuals are attacking the safety of our sovereign citizens we need, I think, to take more of an Israel mindset to this because it's the only, it leads to less suffering overall in that it ends conflicts.
Whereas, and people can be like, how could you say that when you look at how bad things are in this region, and this region that Israel's involved in? And I'm like, yeah, but they were worse in, Is the U. S. In Afghanistan, we ended up pulling out in the Taliban took control like we everyone who collaborated with us ended up likely having their families killed, likely ended up having their like we betrayed the people who trusted our intention to bring any form of real democracy to the region by not being harsh enough or strict enough in creating a long term peace in the region, which [00:27:00] we haven't done.
How do we have to do more like this on potential?
Simone Collins: Yeah, I think this is where military tactics and politicians being involved gets because how do you get reelected by people who have feelings and care about violence? And also, you know, make tradeoffs that involve short atrocities, essentially, short term violence, short term losses, because people don't hear in the news, like, many people have, you know, this many people have been starved in a famine, many people have been, you know, systematically Copyright 2020, killed as, as, as political dissidents in this is
Malcolm Collins: something that you don't hear.
You don't hear about the civilians of Gaza that Hamas was mass murdering. You don't hear about the people that Hezbollah killed within their own country. You don't hear about the dissenters who said, hey, maybe we shouldn't go total war against Israel on this stuff. You, you do not [00:28:00] hear this stuff because it is not in the interest of the narrative.
And I think that you're absolutely right about this. And I think it involves people. And a lot of people don't, they don't have like the level of incredulity. They don't, I think, well,
Simone Collins: this is also a classic trolley problem, right? That, that most people when asked like, well, if you. If there's a trolley and it's headed toward you know, five people and you could save those five people and you change its direction on the tracks and by then you're going to kill one person.
Yeah, most people are like, I'm not going to do that. I don't want to be responsible for killing one person. And this is a classic example of the trolley problem where, like, in this case, people were violently. Dismembered in some cases, or, well, dismembered, right? That's like, you lose your hand. And, and, you know, according to reports, some children were killed.
Like, this is, you know, an unforgivable atrocity, right? Like, no one, no one would want to do that. No one wants to pull the lever and do something that could kill children, or that could really hurt people in their [00:29:00] homes. You know, this is, this is horrifying. But at the same time, no one's looking at the other side of the tracks yet.
They're not looking at what is happening in the counterfactual, and it's just a typical situation. But yeah, I mean, like, gosh, girl,
Malcolm Collins: what's wrong? Hey.
Well, this is actually something I wanted to do a whole episode on, and I'll post a scene from Trigun here.
Speaker 6: That was the easiest way to stop him. You wanted to save the butterfly, right? I didn't want to kill the spider. I wanted to save them both. Unless the spider caught the butterfly, it would die of starvation anyway. You can't save both, don't you know that?
Speaker 5: It's not right to make that choice so easily.
Both of them are living creatures, Knives. But
Speaker 6: I'm not wrong about this, Rem. If you just keep saving the butterflies, the spiders will die. Yes, but Wanting to save both is just a naive contradiction. And what would you have rather had us do, just stand and think about it? [00:30:00] In the meantime, while we do that, the spider eats the butterfly
Speaker 5: What's
Speaker 6: wrong with
Speaker 7: you, Knives?!
Don't you understand?! I wanted to save both of them, you idiot!
Speaker 6: Don't make any sense, Bash.
Speaker 7: I don't think so, Knives! You're the one who doesn't make any sense!
Malcolm Collins: You have to make a choice here.
You can't always say that you're going to save both. And I think that the responsibility of a leader is accepting the moral weight of the trolley problem decision is to say I as a leader will make this choice. And I think that this is actually something that, you know, and I can trust, for example, Biden and Trump in their foreign policy.
The Trump did exceptionally well over and over and over again is he was willing to send the random missile onto like pseudo friendly territory. He was willing to like, whenever somebody would cross a line, he would swap them in the face. And [00:31:00] Biden was unwilling to do that. He was unwilling to send the targeted missiles into the caravans of countries, leaders, and stuff like that, because that required Accepting moral culpability for potentially lowering further escalation.
And that is a really scary thing.
Simone Collins: Well, and what's funny is I actually feel like these days there is more widespread moral interest, like moral openness to this kind of Behavior.
There's this really popular fantasy romance series out now called, I think like a court of thorn and roses. I think that's the first one.
The protagonist in it named Farah, spoiler, spoiler alert by the way, at the end of the first book to essentially save all the berries of this land. Decides to violently murder three innocent people, well, fairies in this case, like, stab them to death in front of a bunch of people and, and she does it, like, she, she could have chosen to to sort of surrender and let these fairies [00:32:00] continue to be enslaved by this evil regime, but instead she chose to murder these people.
As they were begging, you know, making eye contact and begging, like, please don't kill me. And she stabbed them to death, or slit their throats, or whatever it is she did. And then had to live with that for the rest of her life. And they frame her as a hero. I kind of hate her character. She's a terrible, whiny, mean, b****y person, but she's seen as a hero.
She's seen as curse breaker in the land after that point. And here you have this really popular female protagonist in a very popular series, right? Because, right, like the only thing that women or people in general are reading is like fantasy romance novels, right? Who did this, you know, who did, who pulled the lever in the trolley problem.
So I feel like humans are capable of having this like intellectual debate. And making these decisions. It's just maybe politicians don't realize that or they don't know quite how to message it. But I do think that there is a way to thread this [00:33:00] needle and make people capable of recognizing the value of making very, very heartbreaking decisions in the name Of a better future to prevent overall fewer heartbreaking things from happening.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah No, I I think that you're absolutely right and I think that The goal and this is one of the things that you mentioned one of our friends who's mad at us for a recent israel video And you're like, yeah, but we were talking about hamas being a problem and hamas is a problem It's a problem for israel, and it's a problem for gaza and it's the same with hezbollah.
Hezbollah is a problem not just for israel But in the regions in which it operates if you are, for example, gay you know, it's not just the Jewish people have to worry about this. Or for example, somebody who thinks that maybe they shouldn't be as extreme with Israel. You are putting your life at risk.
You are putting your kids lives at risk.
Microphone (2- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-1: And I think this is a big problem for people who try to draw parallels between what Israel is doing and what Hamas is doing. And it's real. On the, , seventh attacks. [00:34:00] One of the big events that was hit was a protest. Against.
The way the Israeli government was relating to the people of. Gaza. If someone in Gaza, protested pro Jewish pro the state of Israel, they would be killed and their family would be killed. It's a huge difference in Israel. People say that the government's wrong all the time.
Microphone (2- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-2: Regardless of your thoughts of how evil Israel is Hamas and Hezbollah. Are definitely a net negative for the world. And even the people that they rule over would be better off if they were completely eliminated. That cannot be said of the state of Israel right now, whether you're talking about the Muslims who live within the state of Israel right now, or the Jews who live within the state of Israel right now, because there is a very large Muslim population that lives in Israel and quite well. That is not true of Jews living in say Gaza or Palestine, or really any of the Arab majority countries.
Malcolm Collins: And or if you're just not a state bureaucrat, you know, if you're a Hamas bureaucrat, you know, you're getting [00:35:00] food, you're, you're diverting aid payments to go to, for example, we know is Hamas go to tunnel that was supposed to go to aid payments. I'm supposed to feed children.
And so by destroying these organizations, you make people bet things better, not just for the people of Israel, but the people of these individual regions. And so if you can get a mostly targeted attack like you had with the pager situation, you are almost certainly saving more than two children's lives.
In terms of redirected aid payment and stuff like that. But this is something that just is really hard to communicate to people. Especially when you have this sort of latent anti semitism, which I think twists everything that's tied to this region for a lot of people. Or, I think more than the latent anti semitism, it's a belief that you get within the urban monoculture that the weaker party must be the more just party.
Or the less competent party must be the more just party. In the same way that in the U. S. you have this thing where it's like, oh, somebody robbed someone, well they must have been poor, or they must have been desperate. Oh, you fought back against a [00:36:00] OU monster.
Speaker 8: No! How could this happen? Where did society go wrong? How could the system fail this poor man? If only he'd had a better stool! Do you want some hot cocoa?
Speaker 11: Seems to be socio economics. Most likely an underfunded library.
Speaker 8: That's it! Ah! Ah! You shot this beautiful man for no reason! She's evil incarnate!
Speaker 10: He was stabbing Murderer! Murderer! He was
Speaker 8: expressing himself!
Malcolm Collins: And this is just a framing that we see over and over and over again now, but when it's applied at the country level, it becomes quite monstrous
Microphone (2- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-3: And I note that this don't retaliate mindset. In the same way that [00:37:00] when it's held towards criminals, it's held by wealthy people who live in nice neighborhoods without a lot of crime. When it's held at the country level, it's mostly countries that don't have antagonistic countries next to them constantly saying they want to kill them. Which is why, if you look recently, one of Israel's recent really, really tight alliances it's been building is with South Korea. And I think it's because South Korea gets quote, get fit much more than a country.
Like the U S where, you know, we can say, oh, there should be norms about, you know, your neighbors. , that.
That are very much like a, you know, a wealthy person who lives in a wealthy gated community and says, well, you know, I never fight back when I'm attacked. Why would this person who lives in a very dangerous neighborhood need him? Concealed carry or something like that.
Microphone (2- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-4: And this also reminds me a bit of, , an individual like this, where they're like, well, yeah, he lived in a dangerous neighborhood and now he's concealed carrying and he's defending himself, but he's doing that because he was part of a gang and his gang attack this other person's gang. And therefore [00:38:00] that other gang is justified to attack him, which is very, again, similar with what's going on with Israel right now.
All of these countries in this surrounded region are constantly at war with other countries in this region, , or having cous or having other sorts of bloodshed that we just don't need to deal with. If you're in Europe or America, And so you don't think about it, but when we're recording all this, and when we're talking about all this, we over-focus, I think on the points that involve Israel instead of the other country than the region, because there isn't a well, A narrative reason to focus on those, you know, I mean, I think the real reason is, is Israel has Jews. And the other countries don't have Jews.
And a lot of people don't like Jews. For religious or whatever reasons. , and so some people downstream of that who get their information from sources that they don't know are controlled by like Qatar, for example. , they think that Israel has been uniquely belligerent in this region.
, because the people who are feeding them information have no need to tell them.
Actually, every [00:39:00] country in the region had a grudge against every other country in the region for X, Y, and Z reason.
Malcolm Collins: And this is just a framing that we see over and over and over again now, but when it's applied at the country level, it becomes quite monstrous and I think that, you
Simone Collins: know, this comes back to one of the original sort of selling points of effective altruism is this recognition that human intuition doesn't always correlate with.
with the optimal choice or with the most altruistic outcomes for intervention.
Malcolm Collins: Well, I have absolutely loved talking with you today, Simone. I am excited for dinner tonight. She is going to cook down the pumpkin soup she made to create a curry that's going to go on top of rice. So, Which I am so excited to eat, it looks really yummy.
It was so yummy, yes, it was one of the best soups I've ever had. And I have had a great time talking with you, Simone.
Simone Collins: Now. Now it's happening.
Malcolm Collins: I realize to keep the scene visually interesting. I need something in that other corner.
Simone Collins: Yes, you do. Yeah. Why did that sword go away? You weren't letting the [00:40:00] kids play with it, were you? I was
Malcolm Collins: playing with it.
Simone Collins: Oh no. Yeah. It's time for you to play with it. I'm just, you know,
Malcolm Collins: well and the kids were playing with it a little bit.
Simone Collins: Oh boy. Okay. I guess it's good strength training for them Nothing is heavy
Malcolm Collins: Yeah, and it's also good endurance testing You see this I learned this from marwan back in the day. You just get hit with a weak weapon over and over again It's just unfortunately we started our kids with a great sword. So there were a few injuries All right.
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Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello, Simone! Today, we are going to come up with a hypothesis for how the Democrats can win the next election cycle, how they can fix the downward spiral, because they are losing in every demographic. They are losing in women. They are losing in black men and women. They are losing in Every younger generation, both men and women, is voting more conservatively every generation at this point.
It is bad for Dems. They are losing hard in the Hispanic population. Kamala did worse than Biden in literally every state. And I think one of the key things is, is that both parties have an extremist problem.
On the right, there were some people, or extremists is the wrong way to put it. Some people who embody the negative stereotype that the other party paints that party as having. So in the right, we paint the left as being these crazy wokers and on the left they paint us as being crazy racist. Yeah. As we pointed out in the last video, the crazy racists all left the right, denounce Trump and want nothing to do with him and say [00:01:00] they feel uncomfortable at right wing rallies now.
Yay for us, we sucked out the venom, spit it in a toilet.
Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx): If you didn't watch that video in it, we know that almost every prominent. Racist anti-Semitic or homophobic. Mainstream right-wing voice denounced Trump and asked their followers not to vote for him leading up to the election. And for people who think that this is a femoral or just something that's happening among the. Influencer class here. We actually see this in the data. If you look between the first time Trump was elected and this time Trump was elected, he did worse among white men. Where he exploded in support. Whitten contrasting between these election cycles. Is. Blacks and Hispanics. Specifically Hispanic men. And it is because we, as a country have reached a place where Hispanic men who actually care more about the immigration crisis, then white men [00:02:00] do,
I've come to realize that the Republican party is not racist, but that's something that was only possible because the Republican party. Expelled its racist element. So we can talk about things like the immigration crisis outside of a racialist lens.
Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-1: And if you look at the counties where the difference in voting was the most, this election cycle.
They are the counties that were overwhelmingly Hispanic. The dims thought this demographics is destiny thing. We can just increase the number of minorities in this country and we'll win forever. And they, they thought that this plan would work for them. In the meantime, Trump has been building his support within the very communities the Democrats thought they had on lock.
Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-2: With things like the Hispanic community moving in a direction where they might become a majority Republican voting block in the near future. This is an existential crisis for Democrats.
Which have largely just become a party of college brainwashed elites.
Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-3: This is something that was only possible because Trump took the.
Republican [00:03:00] parties version of the woke population, the extremists who represent the negative stereotype, that the other party paints of the Republican party and made the. party unpalatable to them. The left hasn't been able to do this with their woke extremists.
Malcolm Collins: The left, they've got a problem. Because they have platform. These people, these people own their rallies. These people own the soldiers of their events. Meanwhile, we got rid of any like racist foot soldiers. We had any homophobic foot soldiers we have in who did we replace them with wholesome paragons of humanity like Scott Pressler, right?
So let's talk about. One, I think this is really interesting. I'm gonna play a piece here from the New York Times podcast, and it's gonna go over their analysis of what they did wrong their analysis of what they need to change. And I think it shows how bad things are. So the 1st thing they're going to go over here is they're going to say, [00:04:00] we need to make this about class struggle again, while remembering that the lower classes.
Are only black people and women and black women mostly.
Speaker 7: So what happens now to the Democratic coalition? Where, where do we go from here? . You know, does depolarization by race and by class and by gender and by geography, does that create opportunities?
Thank you for putting
Speaker 8: it that way. I think one of the challenges that the Democratic Party has is that they are going to have to rediscover the language of class and not what class meant in the 1960s. Yeah, but the understanding that really the working class today are women and women of color. And so, yeah, building a new factory actually is not responding to their economic needs.
Malcolm Collins: Sorry, I want to hear your reaction to this because this is insane.
Simone Collins: How? Wait, so the whole hillbilly, elegy, forgotten American class is not considered poor even if they're dying from deaths of despair and they're losing jobs and their [00:05:00] communities are crumbling.
They don't know the woman
Malcolm Collins: who said this should have been said, like, if, if the left was operating the way the right did now,
Simone Collins: the
Malcolm Collins: other person on the show, because this woman was a black person arguing for her own self interest. You are a bigot, you are a racist, , and you need to, like, address whether or not your beliefs are based in ethno supremacy or any sort of tie to reality. Because it sounds like you're arguing from a position of ethno supremacy, only your people matter. Cause this is a black woman saying this.
When in reality, the reason they lost is because of this form of racism that they, and bigotry that they, and so they'll say, Oh, it's not racism. Well, it's bigotry at least. That anyone could think that in America, class was a race based thing when you know that this woman got major benefits in her life.
Simone Collins: And this
Malcolm Collins: is one of these things, people are like, , Camilla wasn't woke, why didn't she win? This is like an important question the left needs to engage [00:06:00] with. Why didn't Camilla win despite being not woke? Because she didn't attack. the systemic and racist system that woke ism set up,
Simone Collins: right?
Malcolm Collins: Pamela should have gone on stage and said, I know that I achieved this position of the nomination due to a systemically unfair system. If I was white, Or I was a man. I would not have this position that in my throughout my entire life. I have had advantages that other people in this country can only dream up.
And that is why I have this position of power. And I am Humble in the face of all of the systemic pressures that gave me an advantage over people who are working. But she,
Simone Collins: she would not have been able to argue that without drawing serious attack because her behavior in the past has shown her willingness to exercise her privilege [00:07:00] while throwing systemically underprivileged people like jailed populations under the bus.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah, and I need to point out here when I say that. Black people have systemic privilege. I'm talking about black middle class and upper class people. Black lower class people are still pretty fucked in this country. And by people like Kamala, who by the way, left a huge population in prison, black population in prison.
She knew the crime lab had been compromised but she wanted to win an election cycle. She didn't care about them because the black middle class and upper class in this country sees the black lower class as scum. As inhuman, she doesn't care about leaving them in jail. She doesn't care about them being shot on the street.
She doesn't care about their businesses being burned down. You know, her you know, like it was Her running
Simone Collins: mate's wife opening her windows to smell the smoke. Yeah, being
Malcolm Collins: burned and being like, well, at least they're, they're having this little celebration the BLM celebration. It's disgusting. They don't care about the damage that they do to these communities because they don't see them as mattering [00:08:00] because All of the systemic privileges that they have fought for are only accrued by middle and upper class black individuals.
And I think that most of the black world has f*****g figured this out by now. And then even if you are a hardworking middle or upper class black individual, that these systems end up backfiring for you. Because they make everyone think that you got everything you did. based on privilege. And people who are like, Oh, Kamala isn't the DEI candidate.
Biden literally said, I will only hire a woman POC for this position. That means that she was given not just a massive systemic advantage, but a systemic advantage of the level of Irish need not apply. like huge, huge, huge. Now the next thing you hear. So I'm gonna play more from the New York Times here.
So now they're going to talk about how she's a professor and she goes and she tries to brainwash her students and she herself was brainwashed by a professor of hers into believing that [00:09:00] what they need to fight for and what the Democrats need to fight for is things like reparations.
Speaker 7: So we're going to have a lot of people listening to this who are really down in the dumps, disappointed by the results and wondering where to go next. I mean, I'm curious, like, what are you going to tell your students are going to ask you this, right? Yeah,
Speaker 8: yeah. What are you going to
Speaker 7: tell them? And what would you tell, tell our listeners and readers?
Speaker 8: I think maybe I would tell them both the same thing, because I think in moments like this, we're all kind of students in the sense that we are looking for someone to help us make sense of the world and what I have said to them before and what I will say to them in class on Tuesday, if they are listening is, you know how to do this.
You may not believe you know how, right? But you actually have already done this. We have lived through this once before. That is not to say that there is not a great existential threat and danger. I think there is, and I've always thought there was. But I always think it's important to remember something my mentor told me years ago, when I would be despondent about like, you know, reparations programs or [00:10:00] something.
And I'd go, you know, this thing is never going to happen, right? And he said to me, yeah. That's what they once said about ending slavery, Tressie, you know, the thing is, you don't know your moment in history until it's long gone. So you can't treat things like, you know, your moment in history. You really do have to operate as if tomorrow is happening.
Totally. So if you want to feel empowered to do something, know that history actually is only written after the things are settled and it is our job to settle them.
Malcolm Collins: So
Simone Collins: the New York Times journalist is also a professor and she's arguing that they didn't fight enough
Malcolm Collins: for things like reparations.
Yes, they need to one day reparations will be a reality. No, we know reparations
Simone Collins: don't help people.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah, we know now from the UBI study where they gave people 1, 000 a month for three years and they were at the end of it 30, 000 poorer than the people who didn't get this giving people big cash payments.
Yeah. Hurts them it hurts their communities. It permanently disables their communities
Speaker 34: . If you're just [00:11:00] joining us, black people got their reparations checks today, and in short, all hell is broken loose.
Speaker 35: I think what everyone wants to know now is what are you going to do with all this money? Uh,
Speaker 33: uh, I'm going to reinvest my money into the community.
Speaker 35: Oh, that's a very nice gesture. What were you saying? Tight!
Speaker 33: Is that your son? No, no, I just bought this baby Cash.
Malcolm Collins: But it's it's absolutely accurate to sketch as everybody knows If you give a big cash handout to the current like communities, like it's a cultural problem that needs to be fixed it's not a they don't have enough money problem.
There are other people came to the US had no money were historically disenfranchised. Like let's say the Chinese, for example or the Japanese who recently had literally everything much more recently than the black people. And starting from scratch after the period of internment during world war two have built back a strong culture.
That's not the cause of the difference. The cause of the difference is. Internal to the culture, which can be [00:12:00] seen if you go to our video about the zombification of black culture black culture didn't used to be like this. You go to the 1960s blacks had half the rate of white people, kids outside of whether
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-2: To be more specific, only 5% of black children are born out of wedlock. Well, 10% of white children were born out of wedlock. Today, the number is around 70% of black children are born out of wedlock. Progressive's destroyed black culture, ripped it apart. And what we see now is the shreds of it. And it is always gross to me.
When I see somebody like BLM being like, well, nuclear families, that's not a black thing. That's a white thing. I'm like, no, it used to be.
Twice as black a thing as it is a white thing. Historically speaking.
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-3: This changed when a Marxist group took over the civil rights movement. , see our video is courtesy Arvin for an explanation of how that happened.
Malcolm Collins: there were
Simone Collins: essentially black culture was showing better metrics in terms of how we judge culture, which is imparting fitness, you know, creating resilient, successful people who have kids and raise those kids to be resilient and successful.
It was doing better. [00:13:00] Yeah.
Malcolm Collins: And, and the woke ism that targeted black culture first, cause it took ownership of it. And unfortunately and I'll admit at the beginning, I think that the, the, there, there might have been truth to Democrats really supporting black culture more for a period in American history, that is definitely no longer.
Simone Collins: I mean, I sometimes question this. I feel like a lot of the big thing now, the, the more that I look at it, it seems to be. Well intentioned people who just weren't part of the culture decided to, in a very white saviory kind of way, take ownership of, I'm going to help this disenfranchised disadvantaged group that was already helping itself.
And then it like, it kind of like when you introduce exogenous hormones to a body. That body will stop its own internal production. And it can really throw everything off. And that's, that's not great. And I think that that, that might be kind of what happened is they're like, let's introduce hormone therapy.
Well, I don't know, I actually
Malcolm Collins: see a level [00:14:00] of malevolence even during that period. Oh, really? So you have a surrounder of Well, I guess, yeah, the
Simone Collins: Planned Parenthood thing, but I think
Malcolm Collins: Hold on, hold on, hold on. So for people who don't know this story, we've done another video on it, but I'll just quickly go over it.
Planned Parenthood was started by somebody with strong ties to the KKK with an explicit plan to wipe out black people in the United States, well, low genetic quality people, and she thought black people were disproportionately in this category. This is admitted on the Planned Parenthood website. This is not something of controversy.
Right now, this is also not a point of controversy. There is the black population of the United States would be a quarter larger than it is if Planned Parenthood didn't exist. Yeah, it's genocide
Simone Collins: that no one talks about.
Malcolm Collins: 83 percent of Planned Parenthood clinics are still in majority black neighborhoods.
So black shouldn't laugh. Actually, it's
Simone Collins: not. It's really not
Malcolm Collins: funny when they started rolling this out, didn't want this. And so she went to black democratic community leaders to get them to vote. to talk to their communities and staff these clinics with majority black workers to try to get more black people in.[00:15:00]
And this was done. The sterilization and genocide of their own communities was done by what's the nice way to put this house? Isn't the nice way to put this? But there, I, I think a, Class of this like black middle class and upper class that camila belongs to and the black community talks about is like the ruling Whatever trying to keep all other black people down and like I don't think they're wrong about this impression I mean, it's not like 10 super rich black people who have sold out but it like basically is there is a a black community that has completely sold out the black underclass and I think the That's why 25%, by the way, it was 25 percent of black men voted for Trump in this election cycle from like 8 percent of previous cycles.
Like they're awake, they know what's up now, but anyway, so I'll keep playing it.
Speaker 8: I think Donald Trump is, not the last gasp of the GOP's descent into chaos and madness, but he is a sign that the only strategy they have, they only [00:16:00] have one tool.
If there's an upside today is that, yeah, the tool worked this time, but they only have one, right? There's plenty of opportunity here to build more and better tools. And that's our job right
Speaker 7: now. Yeah, no, I totally
Speaker 8: agree.
Trusty.
Malcolm Collins: So then the next thing she goes on about it, she goes on and she says, Republicans are only winning because of one thing, which doesn't specify what it is, which is really. Yeah. So I come up with a few hypotheses. She might be thinking it's racism.
The problem is that more black people are voting for Republicans. Well,
Simone Collins: no, she, no, she could believe that because she could believe, and this was something that came up near the end of the election cycle, that the black men and Latino men, et cetera, were racist. And they were voting out of racism. No, no, no.
The, these accusations came up. Absolutely. I mean, the whole Obama thing is you're misogynist. And all these other, no, no, no. I really think that they may think it is racist.[00:17:00]
Go ahead.
Malcolm Collins: Oh, no. You have something to say. I was going to,
Simone Collins: I think I've seen enough coverage of the whole post mortem. The, the leftist post mortem election, but they genuinely believe that the nonwhite groups,
Malcolm Collins: they believe this. What I'm saying is it's just obviously factually inaccurate.
Simone Collins: Oh no, yeah, no, obviously it's, it's not accurate, but it's what they believe.
Malcolm Collins: All of the mainstream racists hate Trump now. All of the minority ethnic groups are voting more for Republicans than they ever have. Yeah, no, no, it's, it's not true, but I think that's what she was thinking. Because I can't imagine what else she was thinking. The next thing she thinks is it could be feminism.
Like, like, oh, we hate women. We don't want a woman president. Except more women voted for Trump. For Trump in this election than they did when he was running against Biden.
Simone Collins: It was definitely not that. And also that just never came up in the election. It just was never discussed. And in common, she didn't even really, she never played up her femininity really.
So yeah, I definitely don't see that.
Malcolm Collins: The last thing it could be is she means it's the economy, but like, if it's the [00:18:00] economy, it just shows how disconnected this democratic elite is. It's like all the people care about is they can't afford food for their families. Like How selfish be they not vote for our ideological agenda?
Just because they can't vote for That would be the most
Simone Collins: non evil assumption on her part though. I hope that's what she believed because that's, that's factual. When the economy does poorly the, the ruling administration is more likely to be voted out. That is, and, and, and so I, that would be the most realistic thing, I think for her to say.
I
Malcolm Collins: should also point out, and I think this is really interesting, that like, If, if, if, if, She's like, Oh, they're only winning on one thing. And they're just running the same thing over and over again. Like she's acting like when Trump is gone, that the party is going to be easier to beat. And I'm like, no, you nut jobs.
When the party is gone, we've got JD Vance and effing Scott Presler in the wings here. When, when Trump is gone, you've got. Nothing except for one person who I'm going to bring up at the end of this and I think could clinch it for the [00:19:00] Democrats. Michelle
Simone Collins: Obama? She'd never know.
Malcolm Collins: You're not thinking of them and as soon as I mention who Dwayne The Rock
Simone Collins: Johnson.
Malcolm Collins: As soon as I mention you're gonna be like, oh my god, this would be the perfect person. Okay, I'm excited.
Simone Collins: He would win. He would win. In the comments, weigh in, don't cheat, place your bets.
Malcolm Collins: Okay. So, I'll see if I give it away in the title card or something like that. But what, what, what I, what I, what I'm pointing out is that Simone, you had to talk about the thing you did with GPT, where you're trying to figure out like, who's going to be the next democratic front runner for the next election cycle.
Simone Collins: You must be thinking of someone else.
Malcolm Collins: So you were like, I asked it, who's going to be good to win the next election cycle. And you're inventing,
Simone Collins: or sometimes you talk to other people and you think that you're talking to me in your memories. I've known that I did not do this.
Malcolm Collins: Okay. Well, whoever I was talking to said they went on AI and they're like, who's gonna be the next person to run for Democratic office?
Okay. And it gave a list of people. Mm-Hmm. . And then I asked ai, I said, [00:20:00] I've never heard of any of these people before. They seem like small players. Okay. And the AI said in response, yeah, the Democrats have a problem
Simone Collins: really . That's great. AI that's on purpose. They do have a problem. Whereas we
Malcolm Collins: are spoiled for choice.
And I think due to Trump's incredibly sure choice of J. D. Vance, this is running mate. Now what I want to point out here to, to understand. The Democrats lost. I think this is a key thing and why it's going to be so hard for them going forwards is they were not running on policy positions. They weren't even really running on vibes.
They were running on an alternate fictional reality. And by this, what I mean is Kamala's two core talking points. And this is what I get from democratic analysis, who are like analysts who were looking at this and saying, okay, how is she doing? What'd she do wrong? What'd she do? Think of like, she really only had [00:21:00] two points.
If you examine all of her speeches, one is Trump is going to force abortion restrictions on everyone in this country.
Simone Collins: Oh yeah. All your rights will be taken away.
Malcolm Collins: But Trump said he'd veto any national abortion restriction. Like he's literally pro choice. He did that in his last term and he overturned Roe versus Wade.
But Roe versus Wade isn't even about like abortion restrictions. It's about a weird thing the Supreme Court did that was like, obviously illegal constitutionally speaking. And anyone who knows law knows it was illegal. The Supreme Court should have been able to make this decision and they did it and it could.
You know what I'm talking about, right? Like Roe versus Wade was basically being made by the Supreme Court, and that's not the way our constitution was set up. You're supposed to pass this He's correcting a
Simone Collins: bug in the code or grammatical inaccuracy. Yeah.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah this wasn't I don't even see it as an abortion issue, I just see it as a basic like
Simone Collins: Yeah, like, you didn't do this right.
Like, if you want to do this, there's a way to do it, and you didn't do it right.
Malcolm Collins: And so Trump, you know, so, so [00:22:00] one, this is a fiction, but then the, the bigger fiction is that Trump is going to like all black people are going to wake up as slaves. All everyone who's not like a cis white male is going to end up without any rights that women are going to be forced to
the Mar a Lago breeding pens. And. Like this is just not reality and I think we have seen such negative consequences from the democratic framing here you know, not only do we have the trump assassination attempts, but you don't know about this simone And I know you'll be unhappy to learn about there was
Simone Collins: another iranian plot that was thwarted too
Malcolm Collins: Well, you know, iran has a right to be afraid of a trump presidency, but yes so There was a guy who killed his wife his ex wife.
Oh, I
Simone Collins: saw that In the UK though? Well, in the UK? I thought it was in the UK. Maybe it was just I read it in the Daily Mail or something.
Malcolm Collins: No, I think it was Minnesota. Minnesota. So, and he said, quote, My mental health and the world can no longer peacefully coexist, and a lot of the reason is religion.
I am terrified of the religious zealots inflicting their misguided beliefs on me and my family. for having [00:23:00] me. I have intrusive thoughts of being burned at the stake as a witch or crucified on a burning cross. So he thought the religious commu And, and this is the thing, I tried to find this story in the U.
S. I could only find it in U. K. and Indian newspapers. Okay, so
Simone Collins: that's why I thought it, sorry, that's why
Malcolm Collins: I was I, I, I found accounts of it happening in the U. S. They were like, Crazy guy kills his family. They did not say it was because the left convinced him that his family wouldn't be safe. That it was
Simone Collins: Trump derangement syndrome.
It
Malcolm Collins: reminds me so much of that scene in downfall. Excellent movie, by the way, you should watch it about the downfall of the Nazi regime, where as soon as they realize they're not in power one woman kills her family because like, you haven't seen downfall.
Simone Collins: I'm not watching people kill their families.
No,
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone): By the way. Not putting. I looked at the clip and I was like, oh, I mentioning a clip. I should probably add it. Like I do what I put, it mentioned other clips and I watched it and I was like, I know. Nobody wants to see this right now. Like if you want to feel terrible, you can go look up the clip
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-1: But I think it's just more proof of the left is just Nazis. [00:24:00] They just act like Nazis.
They think like Nazis. It's getting insane and the people who don't see it yet, my God.
Wait until they come for you. That's what I guess I have to say, actually, the wait till they Humphrey, you think has been a major thing for me recently, where a lot of people have come to me. And they're like, I didn't know that this could get me canceled and ruined my career. And now it's happened to me and all of the people who I went and I talked to about what I thought was a fairly normal thing. They won't even listen to me.
They're like, well, I haven't been canceled yet, so I'm fine.
Um, and you're like, well, cancellation is nothing like, you know, putting you in a concentration camp and it's like, yeah, well maybe, but, , having your only means of income taken away when you've got like a family of five kids. That's a pretty big. Nene deal.
And they do it so flippantly and with so much joy..
Speaker 13: Uh, a
Speaker 14: bear?
Speaker 13: I didn't know what else to paint! FasTer! [00:25:00] Ha! People of all colors agree to hold hands
Speaker 15: beneath a rainbow!
Speaker 14: That wasn't so hard, was it? Now do it again!
Malcolm Collins: Very powerful movie. I suggested I'm going to make it. I can't
Simone Collins: even watch like the one the one clip where his like hands are shaking and he adjusts his glasses.
Malcolm Collins: Oh, that's such a great clip. So many good take take. But there's some movies that kids just need to watch. Downfall is one kid. I think very good education.
Fievel is, I think the classic American cartoon. All kids, all kids need to see an American tale. And then Fievel goes West.
Speaker 38: Pardon. But did you say, never? So young, and you have lost hope? Ah, this is America! The place to find hope! Hope for the best, work for the rest. And never say never [00:26:00] again.
Take my little friend to immigration. Everyone goes through immigration.
Malcolm Collins: Absolutely top tier cinema. Great at, I think, building American pride. Showing that we are a nation of national clans working together and cultural clans working together. Against the oligarchs, which controlled the democratic party.
One of the crazy things I've seen as an outcome of this is they're like, Elon gave Trump all of this money and now he's going to control Trump because billionaires. And I was like, b***h, Kamala raised three times what Trump raised. Yeah, seriously. You live in an alternate fictional reality. And I think that that's one of the problems that they have is they are arguing.
Not based on policy, but that we live in this alternate world where Trump is a fascist. And one of those things I pointed out, which is so insane, is, is now they're going through all this stuff about how Trump is gonna like, have like these frivolous lawsuits against his opponents and arrest them. And meanwhile they'll say the felon Trump.
Simone Collins: Yeah. [00:27:00] Who they actively and, and carry. And I'm like, successfully, why is he
Malcolm Collins: a felon? No, no, no. Wait, hold on. Why is he a felon? And they go. Because he didn't label his prostitute hush money payments as prostitute hush money payments, and I'm like, yeah, obviously he didn't do that. Obviously. You're supposed to, Malcolm, you're supposed to label them.
It's the law. Don't you understand? I bet Campbell's husband didn't label them when he was paying off the nanny that he knocked up. I, which by the way, those are child care payments,
Simone Collins: Malcolm. They're a tax write off. Shut your mouth.
Malcolm Collins: Completely covered up that story. You know, he was told by his lawyer to do this.
And it wasn't even, it was only a felony because it was supposed to be a misdemeanor. They said it was to cover up another crime. What was the other crime? Like chose one.
Simone Collins: It was a choose your own adventure kind of court case, which was the best kind.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So, Now I want to go over what I think might be causing this and allowing the left to do this, to create this alternate reality, and why it's losing so hard.
It's that there is a [00:28:00] movement right now to disconnect yourself from reality. It's not
Simone Collins: a movement. It is, it is a, a next step in human civilization that's a part of our, Downfall. So if you've seen or read Ready Player One, there, you're sort of looking at this universe in which people are living in these, like, stacked apartments and really urbanized zones, like, even stacked trailer parks, just spending all of their day on the internet, working online and, and, and socializing online.
And there's no real connection with reality. There's no strong connection with your community. And it seems so sci fi dystopian. And yet that's, that happened this summer. That the tipping point was this summer. And we're able to live in these weird delusional siloed worlds because we're literally like a huge swath of the population is not leaving their house.
So it's totally possible. To live in this fantasy to come to believe these things because you're not, you're not literally transacting within society. You're door dashing. You're getting everything delivered via Amazon. You're, you're, you're, you're not having kids. You're not [00:29:00] forced to interact with people.
In that, in that environment, are the kids playing outside on the driveway?
Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And he went to stop some people who are walking by our house to have a conversation with him. Of
Simone Collins: course he does. But yeah, so you're not interacting with the community and, and, and that will cause you to be capable of falling into deeper and deeper delusions.
Well, no, I mean, this,
Malcolm Collins: this crazy cult, which has had such an easy time creating this alternate reality for people because they're not engaging. So I'm gonna go over some like tweets here. Right. So like, okay, here's a Reddit post. I am in a committed relationship with my bed. It understands me, supports my Netflix habits, and never argues about who finished the last of the ice cream or another person.
Here, people ask what my hobbies are and I say rotting in bed with my shows and minding my business. And then another person said, great, mind think alike. And then here is another post where somebody's like, I'm kind of tired of all this. To be honest, Brad summer is just about watching rich people have fun.
It is a picture. It was the
Simone Collins: first parasocial party burnout summer [00:30:00] where no one actually could afford to party or go out or like, had the desire to go out and hit the club. It was more like, whatever it is that young people do when they're having a rough cash, a kind of. Evening and morning. But it was, yeah, it was the first time when that was entirely parasocial, but people were still trying to get the social cachet of it.
And, and that parasocial burnout of like, I'm a wreck wasn't from partying hard. It was from literally not being able to take care of yourself and not get out of bed.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So how do you win? How do you win as a leftist, right? Okay, and how do
Simone Collins: you win?
Malcolm Collins: The way that you win, and this is what all the left are getting wrong, they're like, we need to go harder into identity politics, everything like that.
You need to do what the right did to our races. You need to turn the wokes against you.
Simone Collins: You need to
Malcolm Collins: go out with a crucifix and scare the vampires from the room. You need to call out The Wokies on their b******t when they lie, you need to say, and this is how [00:31:00] Trump want, like, if you're like the right, didn't have to do this.
Trump's first election cycle. He was like, Oh yeah, the Iraq war. That was dumb as hell. Like. Meanwhile, like Kamala's like buddying up with like Liz Cheney and Dick Cheney, right? You know, taking them on campaign trail with her saying they were great public servants and, and Trump's like, yeah, that was a, that was a cluster.
Like, why did we do that? I said at the time, I just love
Simone Collins: the way he looks at international politics from the perspective of like, was this a good deal or was this a bad deal? Like he's looking at like, were we, were we paying too much for this? It's called like
Malcolm Collins: mainstream Republicans week. He's like, you guys are being manipulated like this.
So. And people could be like, but a mainstream leftist figure could not survive if they did this.
I disagree. Okay. How? I'm gonna see if you can think of the person I am thinking of is not in politics. They are mainstream leftist [00:32:00] media comedian, and they are a male.
Simone Collins: Jon
Malcolm Collins: Stewart. Jon Stewart.
Simone Collins: Oh, and he even looks presidential. Could Jon
Malcolm Collins: Stewart not clean an election cycle? Clock.
Simone Collins: Yeah. Actually,
Malcolm Collins: so I'm gonna put a clip on screen of him right now.
Mm-Hmm. Of John Stewart calling out leftist media for b**********g people. Yeah. About like Trump panic and stuff like that.
Simone Collins: Yeah.
Speaker 24: that was so disturbing, so dark, even the news couldn't handle it. In our editorial discussions this morning, we were asked not to show the image from this video
Speaker 26: Video which we are intentionally choosing not to show you. We're not going to show because of how disturbing it is.
I was extremely disturbed to see this. Horrible, horrible image.
Speaker 25: Violent imagery,
Speaker 26: violent and dehumanizing imagery. We're only going to show you a clip of this briefly. All right, that's enough. Let's take it down.
Speaker 24: News channels show images from Ukraine, from Gaza, [00:33:00] from natural disasters. They get through them dispassionately. I can't imagine. How devastating this footage must be.
Speaker 28: Former President Donald Trump shared a video, this one, on his Truth Social account featuring an image of President Joe Biden hogtied on the back of a pickup truck.
Speaker 24: That's what was so disturbing and dehumanizing. You wouldn't show it on television. An airbrushed Biden decal on the back of a truck? Aren't you the same networks that show reruns of 9 11 every year?
Malcolm Collins: And now, hold on. Now I'm wanna put out one where he was on Stephen Colbert when the Wuhan Lab League thing was going on. Oh no. And this when all the left was still like dogmatically, like, oh, Wuhan lab leak.
And he was like, this is f*****g. Obviously, it was a lab leak. Like, what are you talking about? They even call it, like, COVID
Simone Collins: labs. So he could bring the sanity back to [00:34:00] the left.
Speaker 23: the suffering of this pandemic which was more than likely caused by science.
, no,
Speaker 22: no, no, no,
Speaker 23: no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not listen, listen.
But what
Speaker 22: do you, what what, what, what do you mean by that? Do you mean like, perhaps there's, there's a chance that this was created in a lab. I'd love to hear.
Speaker 23: A novel respiratory coronavirus overtaking Wuhan, China. What do we do? Oh, you know who we could ask? The Wuhan Novel Respiratory Coronavirus Lab. The disease is the same name as the lab.
And then they ask the scientists, wait a minute. You work at the Wuhan Respiratory Coronavirus Lab. How did this happen? And they're like, Mmm, a pangolin kissed a turtle. And you're like, No! If you look at the name,
show me your business card. Oh, I work at the Coronavirus lab in [00:35:00] Wuhan. Oh, because there's a coronavirus loose in Wuhan. How did that happen? Maybe a bat flew into the cloaca of a turkey and now we all have coronavirus. Like, come on.
Okay, okay. Wait a second. Wait a second. What about this? What about this? Listen to this. Wait a second. All right. John. Oh my god. Oh my god. There's been an outbreak of chocolatey goodness near Hershey, Pennsylvania. What do you think happened? Like, oh, I don't know, maybe something. Maybe it's a cocoa bean or it's the f ing chocolate factory.
Maybe that's it.
Speaker 22: That could that could very well be and Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins and NIH have said like it should definitely be investigated.
Speaker 23: Stop with the. Logic and people and things. The name
Speaker 22: of the disease Wait a second, wait a second Is all over the building Wait a second, but it could be possible, you could be right It could be possible that they have The lab in [00:36:00] Wuhan To study the novel coronavirus Diseases because of the bat population there.
Sure, no. I understand.
Speaker 23: It's the only place to find bats oh, wait. Austin, Texas has thousands of them that fly out of a cave every night. . Is there a coronavirus, an Austin coronavirus?
No, it doesn't seem to be an Austin coronavirus.
Simone Collins: Yeah. And
Malcolm Collins: and john Stewart's like call out here of like, obviously it was the lab leak. It is aged so well because now there's a report that the three people was the earliest cases of covid were gain of function researchers at the Wuhan in November specifically.
In 2019, Ben Hu, Yu Ping, and Yanzu. So we basically now know it was a lab leak. And John Stewart called it when the left grabbed it. And you can see like how uncomfortable Stephen Colbert is, like when he's doing this. Stephen Colbert's like, this is all script! Go back to the script! And do you, hold on, do you, what do you think?
John Stewart ran. Could he [00:37:00] be? Basically
Simone Collins: Yes. No, he, he would clean up. He would do incredibly well. Yeah, he would, he would catch the center back. And he's just so relatable yet. He's the, he's the ultimate centrist vote and that's what a president needs.
Malcolm Collins: He did a video recently for like, Apple TV about like pro child transition.
Like what really? Whoa. Okay. Yeah. He's pretty captured by woke, but he at least fights back.
Simone Collins: Yeah.
Well, I don't know though, if he's for youth transition, here's the thing is I was, I was listening to some people talking about this and they're like, You know how, you know, how come so many centrists were, you know, voting for the left and a realization that they had was that a lot of parents are seeing just how much at the level of their own local schools, youth gender transition is, is taking place and they're like,
Malcolm Collins: sorry, you said voting for the left.
Simone Collins: [00:38:00] Well, they would otherwise have voted for the left, but then they're like, I just don't want my kid to go through youth gender transition. So this has gone too far. And there aren't enough people who care about trans rights enough to put their kids at risk when they don't think their kids really are trans, but are going to be forced essentially to transition through social pressure.
To, and so like it just went too far. So I do think that if he was into youth gender transition, that would be a step too far, because I think that's one of the key things that pushed people to the right,
Malcolm Collins: aggressively
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-4: To be clear. I am not saying I think it would be a good thing if John Stewart was running on the left, I think it would be a bad thing because he would be such a good candidate, but he is not actually. Like fully sane. , he, again like the youth gender transition stuff, which again, for people who don't know why we're so against us, if you look at this study from 2023, , gender discontentedness and non-conforming use what you see is of 11 year olds who are, do not [00:39:00] identify with their birth gender. , over nine out of 10 of them were not given gender affirming care.
End up affirming totally with their birth gender by the age of 23. Um, so it's just like a bad idea, especially when you consider that 50% of people who transition are 45%, depending on the study, you're looking at Attempt to analyze themselves. So it's, it's, it's one of those things where it's like, Horrifying that anyone could promote this. If they have actually looked at the data and I feel like he has, I feel like what John Stewart does. Is, he looks at the issues that he knows are going to be overturned in the near future and then steaks out on front of that.
Like the Wu Han lab league story and stuff like that. , and so I think that.
He's sort of the perfect poison pill to the right right now. , and to me. That scares me about Jon Stewart candidacy.
But if I'm just out here giving like honest advice to the left, this is what you need to do. You need to do somebody who clamps back occasionally.
Simone Collins: written out. Then Dwayne, the rock Johnson is mine.
Malcolm Collins: Jonathan, [00:40:00] I don't think Jon Stewart would do better.
I think that he could moderate his positions on things. And I think he would, if he was running. He could run and
Simone Collins: he could come out to be like, I was wrong. I didn't know about the, the WPath files. I didn't know about this and that, like I'm willing, cause he's the kind of person who has the ability to draw the narrative of changing his mind without looking like a flip flopper.
Yeah, and I think that this is the fun part of it. It's
Malcolm Collins: like, oh, J. D. Vance, you can't trust J. D. Vance because he changed his mind when he's presented with new evidence. I
Simone Collins: think people like that, and I'm glad that we've come to a point in In human civilization where we start to respect people for changing their mind when presented with new information
Malcolm Collins: Wow I was taken in by the urban monoculture for a while.
I believe their b******t for a while. Okay. Yeah, it's totally same Just as jd vance did I do not besmirch him for You know, if he's a wealthy VC in Silicon Valley in the, you know, early two [00:41:00] thousands, of course, yes. Whoops. Whoops. He made a mistake. I made a mistake. Okay. So you guys realize this s**t before I did now.
And
Simone Collins: so whatever, right? Yeah. Don't, don't hate me for being wrong. And that was one thing that when I was running for office, I got the most appreciation for was, was that I had grown up with one ideology and I saw what was wrong with it. And I changed my mind. I wasn't questioned for it. I wasn't called a rhino for it.
I was, I was, I mean, maybe people hated me behind my back, but at least to my face, I was given the impression that people appreciated that. What I cared about was my community and that I, I believed that something was for the best. And when proven that it wasn't, I changed my mind.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So, next here the other big thing, and when people are like, how bad has wokeism gotten and how much it's a pushback now, because I think that people don't understand.
the systemic privileges that some [00:42:00] people are getting in our society, that we really are living in a racist society where some ethnicities and subgroups are treated as having more human dignity than others, but the tide is beginning to turn. So prominent theoretical physicist Lawrence M. Cross spoke about the notorious DEI practice.
He said, quote, Get the DEI out of science funding, Elon, exclamation mark, end quote. In a national post article.
Simone Collins: Mm.
Malcolm Collins: So we are now seeing mainstream physicists. So here's a classics. Professor Jake, and I thought that this was a really interesting tweet that I read. He said, I am 53 years old, the last four years amount to the most repressive, totalitarian era I have ever lived through.
Ooh.. Quote, if the general atmosphere of fear we live in as a people who want to speak and live freely, if all of that change in American society had the fingerprints of a particular leader on it, that leader would be fascist. End quote. And that was from Nam Durham. But it was not a particular.
It was left. I think what he's talking here is this memetic virus that we've talked about, that is wokeism, the urban [00:43:00] monoculture, which the left needs to distance itself from if it's going to win. It needs to quarantine. It needs to call out as being bigoted, which is what it is. But he goes on to say, it was not a fascist leader, but a society wide culture of totalitarian intolerance that made me watch my words like a hawk for half a decade.
It was fear of retaliation, From the left that made me lay awake at night, terrified that a student might have misinterpreted something I said in class and initiated a cancellation campaign against me. And this is something we've seen historically. If you look at the pogroms against Jews and stuff like that, they don't know if they've triggered some like, oh, now they're going to use this to argue against my community.
Oh, now they're going to, you know, then he goes on to say it was not a fascist leader, but a left wing culture of retribution in the face, which tenured faculty and college administrators coward. No, in the face of which tenured faculty and college administrators coward wielded by 18 year olds that ended the career of a colleague of mine because she read out loud a word in a [00:44:00] anti racist comic book.
Oh boy.
Simone Collins: A
Malcolm Collins: Student was a completely tired college statuist coward who fear was nonetheless rational, actually ended her career for reading an anti racist comic book. It was not a fascist leader, but a left wing culture of fear that generated countless whispers among faculty in the halls of my college and others.
Every professor afraid to tell but their most trusted colleagues about how students had stood up in class and accused them of quote unquote traumatizing or quote unquote harming them for teaching basic facts or for failing to teach the subject from the now mandatory ideological perspective of Afro pessimism or teaching material Unobjectionable just a few years ago, that was now quote unquote white supremacist.
So Afro pessimism, I had to look this up, is the belief that basically all of Western civilization should be understood from the perspective of oppressing black people or that
Simone Collins: just doesn't sound fun [00:45:00] for anyone.
Malcolm Collins: I personally know artists whose careers and businesses, the mob attempted to destroy because they did not post a black square on Facebook in 2020.
I personally know musicians who lost their bands and music career. merely for revealing that they were reading a book that had been effectively, quote unquote, banned by the left. And it's like, you can't even read books. If you have touched anything that may be a threat to the memetic virus, they isolate you, they quarantine you.
The only way to fight back is to quarantine the people who are doing this. They need to be treated the way the right has treated racists because they are just as bigoted. But if not more so, honestly, because I've talked to the left wokies and I've talked to the right. Where is this? Who like we have quarantined and I'm like if there's an innocent person being victimized here, . It's much more on the right. Because a lot of these, these people who sometimes get caught up in this are often. Pretty innocent of a lot of the charges that they're accused of but on the left, they're not, they, they do wish to dehumanize other people. They do wish to ruin people's [00:46:00] careers like fascist would like, you know, if you read something like the red scarf girl, like the Chinese use would during the red revolution.
Then he goes on to say, I know of accomplished leaders in the world and arts and culture who lost their careers because of this. The statement of solidarity with BLM that they wrote was not vociferous enough. I know of physicians who lost important positions were subjected to star chamber proceedings and whose words were scrubbed from the internet merely from suggesting the socioeconomic conditions and not the phony construct of quote unquote, implicit bias were responsible for racial health disparities. I know of a liberal, gay Canadian educator who had served children selflessly for decades, who was driven to suicide, after being derided as a racist in front of an audience of all her peers by A DEI trainer. in a COVID era zoom call.
And you know this stuff is real. Anyone who's seen this knows this stuff is real. [00:47:00] They're driving people to suicide. They're driving families to kill themselves. They are evil in the extreme. They need to be treated like people with swastikas tattooed on their foreheads because that's what they are when they spout this stuff, when they try to isolate people for this stuff.
None of this repressiveness, this intolerance, this insistence that only a single view was acceptable on. along with the fear that it all generated was imposed by a fascist leader. It was imposed through the distributed channels of individual agents converging on an ideology and a set of practices to enforce it.
It was imposed by all the individuals and institutions who rational self interested fear made them turn their eyes away, allowing it all to happen, and tacitly endorsing it. And I cannot but include myself in this indictment. All of us, like Peter Thrice, denying the Jesus of our colleagues, friends, And family in order to save our own skins from the mod by [00:48:00] falsifying Every last one of our preferences There was an entire class of people who genuinely never felt a moment of fear from their neighbors students colleagues or acquaintances Who sincerely never did notice episodes of retribution and cancellation such as i've described here My theory is that these people's own ideology so mirrored that of the dominant social configuration That they simply never experienced a moment of friction and it's not for the most part You That they previously arrived at a quote unquote woke ideology independently and then merely recognize fellow travelers in other wokers.
Rather, their minds were such as to instantly and uncritically conform themselves to whatever it was that they were supposed to believe or endorses this week from abolishing slave patrol policing in America to mass graves of Indians in Canada To human biology, having no bearing on a person's sex or gender, they were and remain in the grip of a mass delusion.
This is by and large the same class of people you will see commenting [00:49:00] here and telling me that none of this ever happened or that I have fallen for a right wing lie. Some of these people will make a faulty inference from this and assume that I am a hardcore right winger. In a classical case of what aboutism fallacy, they'll say, well, what about Republicans?
And they'll accuse me of carrying water for the right wing and supposedly far more repressive of any leftist or democrat than I aspire to be. And we all know this is true, right? When people do not, leftists don't get fired from their views from their jobs. They don't get fired for their views from their university.
They don't have to live in fear. Well,
Simone Collins: I think what you're pointing out though is that they do, that nothing's enough.
Malcolm Collins: Well, they do admit that nothing's enough, but they, they, they definitely, it is not the right that controls society. The left is the fascist faction controlling society right now. They are fascist in the truest sense of the word.
They are a fascist mob that is interested only in upholding its ideological purity spiral. But to continue, even dumber, they'll [00:50:00] say that my supposed experience of intolerance is exactly what bigots should expect. If I have views that were impossible to express on campus over the past years, that's just as good for entails that my views must have been beyond the pale and no campus is obliged to platform or tolerate Nazis and their ilk.
And here's what I point out with Jon Stewart going against all this because he had the platform to do it. You wouldn't be platform for saying, oh, We actually do need masks, or oh, we actually don't need masks at various different times. As happened, you would have been deplatformed for saying actually these COVID restrictions are hurting minority communities disproportionately, as happened to the person who was runner up to be the CEO at Levi's him saying stuff like the lab leak thing had people's careers ended who weren't far enough left.
We all saw this. It's not that they were fighting for truth and justice. They were fighting for ideological conformity. They were fighting for the march step. They were fighting for their North Korea like dictatorship. These inferences and accusations [00:51:00] are all false. I can be angry about left wing repressiveness and still be plenty alarmed by right wing repressiveness.
And indeed I am. But the right wing have done nothing. He's just signaling here. I have spoken out on this platform against florida's stop woke act, for example, against the crushing of pro palestinian speech on some campuses. And just this morning I shared my well granted fear that That Trump will end up invoking the Insurrection Act.
Simone Collins: Why? That's so
Malcolm Collins: pathetic. But there is simply no equivalency between the impact on my quote unquote, lived experience, and they will deny all of these people's lived experiences, of the daily grinding paranoia and fear. fear that the leftist culture of repression has created for me that I have seen it create in countless students and colleagues and my more abstract and theoretical concerns about repressiveness or right that is in any event more local to Florida, Texas, etc.
Not nearly as global as a society wide leftist culture that I describe here [00:52:00] and I will not be gaslit. And this is the reality that so many people are experiencing. And if you as a leftist can't read this and say, I need to stop the bigots who have taken control of my culture, who have taken control of my party, and are using it to advance their agenda in the same way the right wing party did.
See our video about why the racists turned on Trump, why the homophobes turned on Trump, why the anti Semitic people turn on Trump because they all did. They all denounced him in this last election cycle. They all said he doesn't stand for us anymore. They all said, anyone who follows me, stop voting for him.
You need to do the same on the left. And if you can't do the same, you will keep losing and you will become an increasingly irrelevant part of America. Even if you control the boards at these large companies, cause nobody's going to buy these video games anymore. We're seeing this. And these companies will collapse.
Nobody's gonna buy your products anymore and we'll get better at organizing and we'll get better at identifying any organization you have your hooks in. And here [00:53:00] I'd point out, we're going to start a website and a company called anti bigot dot com. And I want people who are interested in their companies and they go, I want you guys to come in.
Like a D. E. I. Remediation force like sweet anti sweet baby ink and clear up all of this and then talk to your friends and right wing media. Make sure everybody knows like when Harley Davidson has a problem, they can come to us and we can clear it all up for them. Clear all this out and then make sure that through the real media channels, the channels that people actually watch here, I'll put a thing of the top 10 podcasts right now.
Nobody actually watches left link media anymore. They're shouting into a decade chamber. Yeah, they control quote unquote the parts of the old bureaucracy, but nobody consumes that. Nobody plays those games. Nobody Nobody listens to that media. As we point out that Simone and I individually, I guess together our podcasts in terms of watch hours per month, we get the same amount of watch hours as 14 New York times journalists.
If you watch her, nobody goes to the mainstream media anymore. Stop it for each of us. That's what we're worst in terms of our pundency. That's getting insane. [00:54:00] Anyway, so Simone,
Simone Collins: I don't have anything to add.
Malcolm Collins: Well, I mean, am I right? It's like, are you seeing this? Do you think that like this is what people's lived experiences?
Simone Collins: I think that there is a small and very vocal online group of people that has successfully lived under this delusion that has been reinforced by what we describe as the mainstream media that shares that delusion and lives in that isolated sphere. Yeah. And that the rest of the world and people who are interacting with reality more just don't see it.
And that's why the left lost. And you can see this in the audience numbers, as you point out that this group is, is very much in an echo chamber and they all kind of consume their own stuff, but the rest of the world isn't consuming it and increasingly [00:55:00] alarming numbers, right? The attrition is really high because as they're consuming it, they're seeing.
This is not reflected in my reality.
Malcolm Collins: This is a great point. I want to add here. You don't move in the other direction. And remember when I predicted Trump would win by a large margin in this life cycle and everyone's like, you're insane for saying that. I know people who've moved from the left to the right in the last election cycle.
I can think of nobody but Dick Cheney who has moved from the right to the left.
Simone Collins: That's because yeah, the, the, the leftist takes now increasingly don't reflect reality. And after a while you have to draw a line and say, this no longer Represents my understanding and I'm getting the fact that I'm being lied to And gaslit and I don't want in on this anymore
Malcolm Collins: Is it the left controls people through years of indoctrination?
Through building fear in them and their families and their companies and everything like that All the right needs to do is at one moment. Oh the right's really not going to take away all my rights Oh trump isn't an anti abortion candidate. Oh, you know like uh, he's not gonna force me to like breed He's not going [00:56:00] to re enslaved black people.
He's not going to take away gay rights. He's not gonna like the moment you realize all of this, you're like, wait, I was brainwashed into attacking somebody who was my greatest ally.
Simone Collins: And
Malcolm Collins: I think now you have a reality and an anti reality party. And, and actually this has created a really interesting phenomenon on the right where the right has moderated on tons of issues because they're no longer interested in promoting any sort of policy or anything like that agenda.
They're just interested in governing the country. As sanely as possible. And at the individual level, living people live their lives the way they want to and I think that's what things like J. D. Vance represent. And I think that's what people like the new right represent. It's this collection of clans all working together.
And I think that I really like this new right, which is only allowed by the leftist delusion on the other side. [00:57:00]
Simone Collins: I do too, but what you've given me hope about today is that because the left has been so resoundingly destroyed and trounced in this latest election, that at least in the U. S., there is a chance of rebuilding fresh.
In a much more moderated and reasonable fashion, like devoid of this caricature of the far left that they had previously elevated. And I've
Malcolm Collins: seen a lot of left willing influencers say this, they go, I was actually, I found myself relieved when Kamala lost by a huge margin.
Simone Collins: Well, it's a chance to rebuild.
And I think that there's some, it would be great to see that happen. And, and I think we felt at various times excitement about the prospect of the Republican party rebuilding. And that's part of the reason I think why the Republican party won so resoundingly is that the rebuilding has begun and people like what they're seeing as the new future.
GOP Inc wasn't selling. Now the new right is selling people are [00:58:00] excited about it and the left can do something similar, obviously in its own way, but it can do it. So I like that. And now we have to make dinner for the kids. Would you like me to make you those vegetable wontons that you liked me making last week?
Malcolm Collins: Yeah, that'd be a great dinner. I'm not that hungry tonight. I'm like a three or four.
Simone Collins: You'll eat a lot more than those because they're, they're quite small, but I'll make you those. Would you get the kids now? I'm going to change Indy's diaper and then I'll go down and start dinner and you can take a break while I watch them.
Sound good?
Malcolm Collins: You're very special and I love you and you do so much for this family.
Simone Collins: I love
Malcolm Collins: you too, Mom. What else are you going to make me to those? What else are you gonna make me? You say I'll make you a lot more than those.
Simone Collins: No, no. I'm just gonna make you, you said you wanted three, but they're like minuscule in size.
No, no. I would do three out of ten. Oh, your hunger is a three out of ten. Okay, understood. Love you. No problem. I love you, too. All right, you're gonna get them now, right?
It's not here. I just hit record the other that I respect and adore me. How most kids sports these days, you [00:59:00] can't really Get kids to just play in them dabbling. Like you kind of almost have to go professional to be involved, even just with soccer, AKA football. That everything sort of gets escalated to a semi professional level where you have to take them to tournaments and it's a whole family traveling, you need to buy all this equipment.
And I think it's so indicative of the way that we raise kids in developed wealthy nations, especially the U S. Where there's this expectation of overinvestment and because parents have so few kids and kind of feel like they have to spend way too much money on them
Malcolm Collins: Yeah,
Simone Collins: like well like they're Because they keep buying it the industries then keep building out this professionalization, which isn't going anywhere But then parents start to think well, but if it's built out this way Then I guess it's important for getting them to college or something and then I think it's this system that they they buy it and then So it gets built out more and then because it's built out more, they buy more and then it just sort of keeps echo chambering into this [01:00:00] completely ridiculous, overblown youth sports industry that makes it unsustainable for any parent of a large family to ultimately get their kids into sports because they can't afford
Malcolm Collins: to.
And we won't be doing it with our kids. I'll have my kids compete against my brother's kids. They've got a big family. We've got a big, we'll have enough for a sports team on both sides.
Simone Collins: Well, no, no, no. I, I, I honestly, really I, I just want, oh, Indy. We're across the street from an amazing gun and archery range. I'm just going to get our kids super into archery and they can go as far as they want with, with shooting. Yeah. Well, you have to be above a certain age and I want to start our kids early, so Oh, okay. So archery at starting at like age six, I think is their lowest age or something.
And then just, and obviously they can start younger at our house. And then like, I think that that's kind of what's like hunting, fishing,
Malcolm Collins: shooting. We have a property that could create a good archery range for the kids.
Simone Collins: They can use the monster wall. They can just shoot the wall. We can put targets on it, [01:01:00] so we should do that as soon as they're old.
Malcolm Collins: Anyway.
Speaker 39: I don't know. Can I play dummy? It's a Kit Kat bar. Oh, Kit Kat bar. Do you like Kit Kat bars? Yeah.
You have like a weird candy mustache, buddy. You look very Grown up. Orange. Whoa! Is this orange or red? That's red. Red? Yeah. Yeah. Do you want to pick out some candy for Titan? You don't want candy? Do you want to pick out some candy for your sister?
An in-depth analysis of the recent trend of far-right influencers like Nick Fuentes, Richard Spencer, and David Duke turning against Trump and the Republican Party. Learn why this exodus is actually strengthening the conservative movement and creating a more inclusive, successful political coalition.
We examine how these influencers' personal failures contradict their ideological positions, why their vision of conservatism is based on progressive stereotypes rather than historical reality, and how their departure is making room for more effective leaders like Scott Pressler. This video explores:
* The difference between healthy cultural pride and toxic ethno-nationalism
* Why pluralistic societies historically outperform homogeneous ones
* The importance of family success in validating political philosophy
* How the Republican Party is becoming a "united network of clans"
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A fascinating look at how the Republican Party is evolving and why its rejection of extremist elements is a sign of strength, not weakness.
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Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone. Today we are going to be talking about an interesting. Phenomenon, which is that individuals who have racist tendencies or who are skeptical about Jewish or gay people have been turning against Trump in droves recently.
What is going on there? Yeah, it does seem like this trend. And and very aggressively. So it used to be that in every election cycle, your famous racist would have these moments where they might, you know, tongue in cheek, support a Democratic candidate to try to make them look bad.
And so people couldn't say that they were supporting the Republicans. That is not what is happening anymore. They hate Trump and they are actively attempting to get their fan bases to vote against him.
Simone Collins: Really? Because I was mostly assuming that these were tongue in cheek harmful.
Malcolm Collins: No, and I'll, I'll provide a contrasting example here that is still tongue in cheek, which is Curtis Yarvin.
But if you look at Nick Fuentes, [00:01:00] Richard Spencer, David Duke or Leather Apron Club, they have all done aggressively anti Trump messages before the election asking their followers not to vote. The gist of why they're doing this is they have this perception of , if this party cannot be actively and aggressively anti Jewish, racist and homophobic, then I'm just going to go home.
And they don't like how far it's moved on those issues. Whereas, you know, we basically respond with.
Speaker 11: I'm leaving.
Speaker 10: Okay then, that was always allowed.
Malcolm Collins: So, we're gonna go through every one of these individuals, what they've said about Trump recently go through some of the arguments that they've used for why they're leaving, and we're also going to discuss the effects of this on the Republican Party, largely really positive.
Simone Collins: Okay.
Malcolm Collins: Very, very positive. If the left could achieve this with their toxic, racist, [00:02:00] bigoted faction,
that far rookies they would be able to win mainstream elections. So that's, that's one thing to note here. The second thing that we're going to talk about is all of these individuals who have this weird, I'd almost say sort of aesthetic cargo cult idea of what it means to be a conservative.
None of them are above repopulation rate and none of them seem to have a happy marriage.
Speaker 16: Jerry, marriage is a lot of work. We have to plan for a house, plan for a baby. Babies cost a lot of money.
Speaker 15: What? Babies don't cost money, they make money. Especially those little white ones.
Speaker 16: Look, you have to get serious about this.
Speaker 15: Or what, huh? You gonna hit me? No, I'm not gonna hit
Speaker 16: you, Jerry.
Speaker 15: You don't wanna beat me or screw me? What kind of marriage is this? Bring a book.
Malcolm Collins: And this is something I really want to focus on because these are not individuals. If they're coming to you and saying, I have this version of what America used to be and how America used to be great, that you can follow and learn from what I would point out is.
Just from the evidence, you can see [00:03:00] they're wrong. Whatever they're selling you doesn't work and is short for this world. All right, so let's get it through. First, I would start with the counter example, Curtis Yarvin. Curtis Yarvin did do a don't vote for Trump piece. But what he really said was, You should, whoever we're voting for should be made dictator, and I'd take a Biden dictatorship over a Trump presidency.
Ah, yeah. And he's like, look, I'm a monarchist, and I'm a radical monarchist. He doesn't hate the
Simone Collins: player, he hates the game.
Malcolm Collins: He doesn't hate the player, he hates the game. And you know what? Whatever. Like, that's a fun based point. I like Curtis a lot. And I think that he is a solid and truly independent intellectual that disagrees with us on tons of stuff.
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-3: Y Curtis works as a good counter example. Here is while he is someone who, if a presidential candidate was seen as being endorsed by him, their reputation could be hurt. He doesn't have an ounce of genuine. anti-gay bias. , [00:04:00] anti-Semitic bias or. Racial bias in any of his works, despite what some people would tell you.
Simone Collins: He's
Malcolm Collins: awesome. So that's, that's him. We're, technically he's saying I would actually prefer Trump, but like, I'm not going to put that in writing, given how it would, it could hurt his, his candidacy. Next, we have Nick Fuentes. Who is extremely anti immigrant, he's a Catholic integralist, he wants the United States to operate, basically he wants a globalist Catholic monarchy.
To rule the world or a Catholic government of some sort, theocracy. You know, following the syllabus of errors written by Pope Pius IX. I don't want to go too into theology here. I find the integralist movement pretty interesting. Mostly I find it silly that you could want a globalist Catholic monarchy to rule the world, but then think our country can't survive with a mostly Catholic immigrant population which is what the Hispanic immigrants are, you're like, no, no, no, we can't survive with them.
And it's like, well, They are the group that you say, like, you want ruling everything. If your internal divisions are so great already, I don't think your ultimate vision [00:05:00] is going to play out very well. But anyway, he said, I'm not a Republican and I don't care that much. And I'm not going to turn out. He said this on his, his live stream on rumble after the RNC event concluded, he said, I don't even really care.
I'm not energetic. I'm not enthusiastic. I'm not leaving my house to vote, vote for what for JD Vance and Usher. I'm not voting for this. I'm not lending my credibility to this. He added. As a real conservative, as a real right wing individual, you could not force me to care about this. You could not bribe me to care about this.
I don't care. I don't want to look at it anymore. So this is not like a like Curtis is saying, which is like veiled support, but like knowing this is him, like actually being pissed off at the Republicans. Let's go with Richard Spencer. I deeply regret voting and promoting Donald Trump in 2016. Wow.
Now here we can begin to get into why these people hate him. And I think, Oh, [00:06:00] Oh, this is a really common thing you'll see across this. He says to the people of Iran, there are millions of Americans who do not want war. We do not hate you and we respect your nation and its history. After our traitorous elite is brought to justice, we hope to achieve peace, reconciliation, and forgiveness.
Basically, they want the state of Israel destroyed. And they support anyone who's attempting to do that, whether it's Iran or Gaza or anything like that. And as such, they do not like that the main and Trump is As pro Israel as you get when I was in Israel, this is right after he moved the embassy there when everyone was like, Oh my God, you can't move the embassy to a Jerusalem.
Like that's horrible. And it's going to cause all sorts of pain. And he's like, Yolo. He does it and Israel loves it. They're like broadcasting his face on everything. So, you know, obviously he doesn't give a flying F what these people take. And the new right generally does it. Most of the new right is fairly pro.
Israel. We could get into why later in this. [00:07:00] Now, what did David Duke have to say? Well, David Duke said, I'm sorry, when I say pro Israel, I mean pro Jewish. A lot of people are like, oh, no, it's only Zionists. It's not being anti Jewish to be anti Israel. And then I point out, depending on the poll you're looking at, it's between 85 and 95 percent of Jews would be categorized as Zionists.
And so if you're saying, Oh, I don't hate the Jews, I just hate 95 percent of Jews or like, I don't hate the Christians. I just hate the ones who think that Jesus Christ was the son of God or something like that. It's like, well, I mean, that's a pretty close to a perfect circle. And if you know Jewish history, you can understand why they might not feel comfortable in a state where they're a minority.
But anyway the next here we have David Duke. So David Duke said, David Duke
Simone Collins: is the KKK guy,
Malcolm Collins: right? The guy who runs the KKK. Yeah.
Simone Collins: Okay. Just want to make sure I I'm not, here's the, the other thing is, is. As, as people who are frequently accused of being adjacent to such people. I mean, I think Trump experiences too.
They're often [00:08:00] insinuations that were related to people and I have no idea who they are, or I have no idea what this phrase means. They're like,
Malcolm Collins: say you hate this person. I'm like, I don't know who this person is or what. Or they're like, this
Simone Collins: sounds an awful like, like what this is, for example, when Trump was campaigning and he.
Planned to have a speech at Madison, Madison Square Garden. Okay. Like really major venue. Okay. And we're like many people and, and suddenly the media is like, he's trying to recreate a, you know, what an easy, I rally that was in Madison Square Garden in 1940, it's like, How do you know this much obscure lore from pre World War II?
Like this, and because you know,
Malcolm Collins: at their house, there's like a an unregarded reporter's house. There's a secret room they open and it's full of Nazi memorabilia. I mean, yeah, like,
Simone Collins: it just seems like the biggest aficionados of, of, of history and memory and like collectors of memorabilia and, and you know, aficionados of obscure facts are progressive people who use it for witch hunting purposes, or perhaps because they're [00:09:00] Racist ones.
I don't know, but it's just so frustrating. So that's why I asked because honestly
Malcolm Collins: Is these are people who are accused of being racist, I don't know if they're actually racist I haven't done time to think right because that's yeah I
Simone Collins: mean a lot of people accuse us of being racist and here we are. So
Malcolm Collins: I
Simone Collins: don't know
Malcolm Collins: adjacency to Trump was used as justification to argue Trump is racist,
Simone Collins: right?
Malcolm Collins: And these are people who I believe if they had been at an event or something like that might be the type of people who would make say black people or gay people or Jewish people going to that event feel uncomfortable.
Simone Collins: And I
Malcolm Collins: This is part of the key, and it's what we'll get to later, is this is the right woke, like the wokeism is the left mirror of this audience.
If you go to an event, and you're a cis white male, these people will make you feel uncomfortable, they will harass you, they have really, really bad intentions. Good ties within the administration and can get into the administration and actually can make [00:10:00] laws and stuff like that. The right has taken this toxic faction, sucked out the venom and spit it in a toilet.
Simone Collins: Like,
Malcolm Collins: they themselves now feel uncomfortable going to right wing rallies. And that's why if you look at this last cycle where Kamala was trying to argue Trump's racist, Trump's all this, when black people went to his rallies, when gay people went to his rallies, they're like, wait a second, I f*****g love being here.
Simone Collins: And
Malcolm Collins: not only that, one of the, the lies that you will hear from this audience about themselves is that they are the foot soldiers and like Trump needs to like appeal to them to win election cycles. Right? Like there's people actually that's not true. Who is our foot soldiers? Who's no, who's, who's our real foot soldiers? Scott Pressler,
He said he'd come back and today he did last time
Malcolm Collins: Scott Pressler, the gay is our real foot soldier.
Simone Collins: Scott Pressler. Knocking with the Amish. Yeah. Just like a bunch of really cool doers. Yeah. And I just, [00:11:00] I, I genuinely, no, I did, I did once have a conversation with someone who turned out to, no, two people, I can think of two people in my entire life.
Who I've spoken, no three, because there was one childhood girl who was like in the fifth grade who like actually were definitely racist. But also I'm like, where are these racists? Like most people are, it's just weird to me. They're just
Malcolm Collins: incredibly rare. They don't. And you can see this like they're out
Simone Collins: there in droves and they're everywhere.
And they're like,
Malcolm Collins: no, this is actually a really important point. They do not. And you can see this in the data exist. In the republican voting base at a differential level than within the democratic voting. Yes. Yes. And here I'm talking about mainstream old school. I hate blacks racist. Not like a redefinition of racism around wokeism, which I also believe is accurate, but I'm just saying like the, I hate blacks type racist.
The, I hate Jews type racist. The, I hate gates type. They actually vote for Democrats at the same rate as they vote for Trump. And [00:12:00] you can see this in the data. So I will note here that what you're seeing is one They're incredibly rare in reality in the same way that actual far rookies are where they're rare in reality But the Democratic Party has made their rallies their events their protests like, like honey to a fly for these incredibly rare rope variety humans, whereas Trump rallies have become very, very toxic to these types of people, and they don't want to be there.
They don't want to have anything to do with it anymore. They see him as a traitor. And that is. Why I think in large part he's been so successful at breaking this Democrat narrative that he's a racist , because like, for example, the Republicans have this narrative like Kamala's woke, Kamala's not woke, and we'll be talking about this in a future episode, but she has not scared away the wokes yet.
She hasn't put out, you know, the The onion to the vampires to get them out of the building yet. Trump did [00:13:00] that was the racist. And we'll be talking about how he did that so successfully. So David Duke, head of the KKK said. I endorse for President of the United States Green Party candidate, Dr. Jill Stein.
Although Dr. Jill and I obviously have our differences on important issues, she is the only candidate who speaks clearly against the war in the Middle East. He acknowledged that his endorsement of a far left candidate would, quote unquote, shock some of his supporters, but said his decision is based on, quote, what is good for white European people as well as all of humanity, end quote.
So, I mean, these are not, like, Roundabout endorsements. These are who these
People want to win, and it is for one reason. They want the Jewish state gone. So, and this has actually hurt a lot of them now that the Republicans have become the pro Israel party, and Dems have become the anti Israel party. Even though the Dem leadership didn't get this particular memo.
They'd do a lot better in the polls if they did, but I think they're afraid of their donor class. And so, But here I'd [00:14:00] add another person here who's really interested in this Ann Coulter. So, Ann Coulter is not, like, people will be like, Oh, she's a racist because she said this stuff about Mexicans.
She almost married a black guy. Like, she's not a racist in a generic term, right? But she also falls into this category of having, I, I, I guess I'd call it an ethno nationalist bent. To some of her talking points around Hispanics.
Speaker 4: Are there any suggestions how we might help? How about we get rid of all the Mexicans?
Malcolm Collins: And I think that things start to fall into place when we study Ann Coulter's mindset as to why these people don't have families.
But we'll get to that in just a second. Going to shelve that for just a second. But she has says about Trump that she sees him as an awful, awful person and that she can't trust him as far as she can throw him. Now, the person who I think does the best in terms of calmly explaining all of this is Leather Apron Club.
Leather Apron Club has [00:15:00] a anti semitic and anti gay, I'd say, bias to a lot of the stuff he puts out there. But I should be clear, when a lot of people say those words, they mean them negatively. And I mean those words no more negatively than I would say that Simone and I have a bias, a pro Jewish bias in our stuff and a pro normal gay bias in our stuff.
And just as that leads to some bias in the way that he interprets things, it leads to bias in the way we interpret things, but it is because of that separate perspective that he has. That is so divorced from my own, that I have actually gained a lot of insight into the world by watching his videos.
Cause he just He sees the world so differently than I do and I generally respect him as an intellectual.
Speaker 17: Now I need a volunteer. Oh, come on. Anyone will do.
Speaker 18: Ah! [00:16:00] My eyes! It's burning! You fool! Never set yourself apart from the crowd. Don't you know there's a cult out there? Drag him away and put him with the others.
Malcolm Collins: But while I respect him as an intellectual, I also am not sad to see him leave the Republican party. And I am not sad to see people like him leave the Republican party because it is with the exit of him that we get the entrance of genuine.
Human stars like Scott Presley you know, cleaning up cities that are trashy, just getting out there and fixing things, getting out the Amish vote, likely winning Pennsylvania for Trump could have been critical in winning the election. And if we adopt these types of people's ideology, which you'll see, you know, he wants us to be harsher on gay people and stuff like that, not support gay marriage.
It just wouldn't work. 70 percent of Americans now support gay marriage. same sex marriage. And of young republicans, 18 to 29, 64 percent say they support same sex marriage. So like his perspective couldn't even win was like next generation's republicans. [00:17:00] We are not losing anything as these people leave the room.
I'm sorry about that, but we're not. And, and it's not just that, I note here, it's also that these people are just like much less pleasant than Scott Pressler and the normal gays. As they exit and the normal gays enter and the ext The party
Simone Collins: becomes a lot more fun. Yeah,
Malcolm Collins: it's a more fun party.
I'm sorry guys, like, you were cool, I kind of enjoyed our intellectual debates but as you leave the room, like, things are getting better. Scott Presler, frankly, is a more decent human being than people like Nick Fuentes. And, and a lot of these other people who we see, you know, they're not going out cleaning up cities.
They're not getting out doing the ground game.
Simone Collins: So I think, yeah, I think now also we are entering an age in which hopefully, hopefully there's interest in building up rather than tearing down. And I'm being selective in what I say here, because obviously there's a huge interest in [00:18:00] tearing down the rotten old building.
Broken elements of our society, government and businesses, but then that a lot of that interest in tearing down what doesn't work is driven by a very deep and optimistic desire to build up. And it's so much more fun talking with these people who are interested. In the the post apocalypse rebuild rather than just the it's the apocalypse.
Everything is terrible I hate everyone these people. So
Malcolm Collins: they're they're fighting for an aesthetic vision. It's basically a cargo cult They had this idea of what conservatism used to be maybe because they were like raised by like a single mother And they never met a real conservative and they never had a real man there to tell them like actually, you know This is what conservatism in america is and a splinter faction of the conservative movement took over some of the party's policy for a while.
And it was a splinter faction. People can be like, no, the theocrats were always the mainstream. They were not with what authority do I say this with the authority that [00:19:00] my grandfather was a long serving conservative congressman that my dad was a finalist. One of the final two candidates for two senior positions within the Reagan administration specifically being the, the guy who did connections between the state department and the defense department.
And when he was running for that, the guy who kept him out became the no name person at the time,
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone): Pat Buchanan.
Malcolm Collins: and he didn't like my dad because my dad had more nuanced opinions on things like abortion and he wanted a strict line when that wasn't even a mainstream conservative issue yet. And I think that he, you know, that sort of shows how they took over for a period.
When the, you know, average conservative voter was never about all of that and they took over for a bit and now they've been kicked out, but they're acting like, and these people who grew up without strong conservative influences in our life we've talked about this in some of our videos on
Andrew Tate, where Andrew Tate is someone who has never had a masculine influence in their life. Idea of what a masculine influence looks like and because of that they end up following if you think of the movie gladiator, I think a good differentiation here [00:20:00] is are you the emperor or are you maximus?
Are you the person who is okay? Was diversity was in their ranks who people want to follow because they're going out on the street Um like scott presler who's absolutely a maximus character going out and saying There's trash on the streets. I'm going to clean it up because if not me, who does, or are you the person who spends your day on YouTube
Simone Collins: gatekeeping?
Are you, are you tearing down or are you building up?
Malcolm Collins: Yeah, like we've tried to build with the Collins Institute, an alternate school system. We try to build things with the EA stuff. We've been funneling money to lots of organizations doing really cool research. We have been building up. Where a lot of these individuals just focus on gatekeeping and basically just masturbating this conservative aesthetic basically in a corner.
And so I think as people like us come into the movement, people like Scott Presley come into the movement, they're leaving the movement. What we've seen is one, we can win with this alliance and win big. We're better off without them.
Simone Collins: Oh yeah,
Malcolm Collins: and [00:21:00] people can be like, well, what about the Bible? And I'm like, bro, have you even like read the Bible?
Like the Bible is actually pretty clear that it is not about Sharia law. That's like, these people want like Muslim nonsense. Okay, the Bible says render under Caesar what is Caesar's. Okay, it is explicitly argues for a separation of church and state and no legislating morality at the state level. The state is not supposed to do that if you're a real Christian.
And if you want to give up Christianity, just do what Tate did and become a Muslim and whatever. At least you're being honest then. But anyway, I'm gonna play the Leather Apron Club clip here. And I think he makes a really strong argument from his perspective.
Speaker: Don't vote. And no, right off the bat, this is not a satire video. I'm earnestly telling you that it may not be in your best interest to vote this election cycle. I'm mostly talking to conservatives and right wingers here, but to vote for a candidate is to ascent to their platform, to signal to those running their campaign that you approve of the messaging that they have put out.
Speaker 2: Our message to gay Americans tonight is this. [00:22:00] You're free to marry who you want, if you want, without the government standing in your way. And I think that, frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if me and Trump won just the normal gay guy vote. Oh, sure. Because, again, they just wanted to be left the hell alone.
Speaker: But what should you do if, like so many other conservatives, you see the Republican Party shifting ever further away from real conservative values? It's not at all an original thought to say that modern day conservatives are the liberals of ten years ago, and for good reason. What about if you're an anti war conservative?
Trump has repeatedly signaled his undying support for Israel at a time when tensions are close to boiling over in the region.
Simone Collins: Okay, and what exactly is, what's the gist of his argument?
Malcolm Collins: The gist of his argument is he can't support a party that supports things like gay rights and that has normal gays in leading positions was in it, and that has somebody like J. D. Vance who says that normal gay men will vote for Trump. So he's like,
Simone Collins: he's against the Catholic Church too? I mean
Malcolm Collins: He's against, look, he has this [00:23:00] vision of what a conservative is that is based on what progressives think a conservative is and not what conservatives think.
Isn't
Simone Collins: that funny? Yeah. Yeah. There is a group of people, like you say, the cargo cult phenomenon, who believe conservatism is the stereotype presented. By progressives of conservatives, and I would say that there are progressives who exist on the opposite end of that, who are the woke pantomime that That the right demonizes I
Malcolm Collins: absolutely agree But the difference is is that in the progressive party and we'll be talking about this in the next video they Have taken the reins of power and are the people at all the events in the yeah, right, right, right
Simone Collins: They they they turn it into a caricature And they completely lean into the point of absurdity and then they're rewarded and given a promotion whereas when that's turned into a pantomime and taken to a place of absurdity by the right You It, it falls off a cliff and is no longer a part of the right.
[00:24:00] It's not on the landmass anymore.
Malcolm Collins: They're like, wait, this isn't what I thought I was. I thought I was joining what my single mom. Yeah, like where,
Simone Collins: where are the tiki torches? Why aren't you handing out the tiki torches in the khaki pants? And we're like, well, we don't have them. This was never real. And then they leave and then we're fine.
And so that's great.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And I think that there was a while where Trump didn't understand how to burn these people so hard. And in this election, he's done a very good job of surrounding himself with like Scott Presler surrounding himself with people who are like, Hey, you guys need to knock this s**t the f**k off.
People like us or, or, or rising parts of the new right. Who are like, yeah, we're not playing any of this nonsense. People like Elon, who the right will be like, did you know that he's banning people for antisemitic stuff? And like he says free speech and it's like, yeah, well, I mean, we mean free speech with You know, in [00:25:00] reason, and you guys have passed out of reason, and so f**k off.
We don't want to play, like, we don't want to play this game with you.
Simone Collins: You're not
Malcolm Collins: useful to us. You're not useful to passing an agenda when humanity is dealing with very short timelines. Civilization is crumbling, and you're in the corner masturbating with something that can't win because 70 percent of the electorate hates the idea.
Like, like, what are you thinking? You don't even care about winning anymore. It's just about feeling cool yourself. And I think that that's the core thing that everyone got sick of these people for is they were pushing ideas that can't win elections.
Now I also want to talk about them going extinct. Because that's the other thing about these people is is they tell people, well, fertility rates are falling civilizations falling apart. Here is something that used to work. And so I'm going to do that. Now, I point out to them as a student of history. No, what you're doing isn't something that used to work.
It was never a thing. It's a weird cargo cult that you have created off of what Hollywood said, conservative culture was in the 1950s, even though it [00:26:00] never was that
Simone Collins: my
Malcolm Collins: granddad was conservative culture in the 1950s. Excuse me. I think I know what conservatives represented in the 1950s. And my granddad, I even remember.
What he told me about Jewish people growing up.
Simone Collins: Okay. What did he tell you?
Malcolm Collins: Oh, he goes, you know, there's some people in my church, cause he was a very strict Baptist who say that Jews are going to hell and he's like, but one of my best friends is Jewish and I know Jewish people and Jewish people are good people.
And I don't believe that a good God sends good people to hell.
And This, this was a devout Baptist. Okay. And so that might've influenced some of my beliefs around Jewish people. Like I, I believe in multiple true religions, like strict followings of both Christian and Jewish faith. Yeah. Accurate.
But you got to commit,
Simone Collins: but there are many ways you can commit and, and, and, and different commitments work better or best for different people.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And I, and I think [00:27:00] that they think that this was, this wasn't what conservatives were back then. And it was what conservatives were back then. They just been lied to by the media.
And they're like, well, what about the Klan? Well, the Klan was never a conservative movement. The Klan was a democratic movement. It was supported the Democrats and they're like, what about the party flip? The party's never fully flipped. There was a slight flip within one era, but there was never a full party flip the party flip that people talk about around the Klan and stuff like that.
That was no bigger than the party flip that happened with the trump election. So you could even say, okay, well, then they flipped back since then. Because trump is flipped with the parties fight for but what I also want to point out here is is if you follow these people this rotten deviation of of the perfect Christian lifestyle that they claim to be pitching doesn't work.
Okay, this rotten idea. Of white ethno nationalism in the United States. Now I'm actually okay with ethno [00:28:00] nationalism in like European countries. Cause like, whatever, like that's actually their country. But in the United States, no f**k off. But, but the cultures that they're pushing for that don't seem to work.
So you look at something like Richard Spencer, right? Two kids divorced. Okay. Nick Fuentes. He's a pretend virgin.
Speaker 20: Virginity. Remember, a virgin body has the morning sheen of an unopened flower. And the freshness of secret springs. It's your choice, ladies. Hold on to your glorious ripe fruit, or
Comprende?
Malcolm Collins: By that, what I mean is he's one of these like reclaimed his virginity virgins.
Speaker 20: Maybe I shouldn't coach, Wolf. Jerry, if you're worried about your past, don't. This is a great opportunity to start fresh. Even though this morning I thumbed a ride and made a little lunch money? Jerry, I'm giving you a chance to reclaim your virginity.
Speaker 21: Don't think about sex, don't think about sex, don't think about sex.
Hey, Jerry. [00:29:00] Lou! I was wondering. Wondering what? Hmm? If you could get me behind the dumpster, hike up my skirt and pound home. Well, I'm a virgin now, and this is one blushing rose you are not gonna deflower.
Malcolm Collins: Now, he doesn't say this publicly, but I have a pretty good authority that he's not actually a virgin and that he was conceived with IVF.
So he's Catholic ish.
Simone Collins: So just for the record, I've met actually at this point, several pretty devout Catholics who weren't informed that they were conceived via IVF until he was born. Way later in their lives. Their parents just didn't tell them. So it doesn't surprise me if that would be true. It's not at all unusual.
Malcolm Collins: It's a weird new Catholic thing, as we point out. The Catholic Church came up with this 200 years ago. , Pope Pius IX wrote the Syllabus of Errors, added this. He's the guy who did the ripping the penises off all the statues. None of the great Catholic leaders in history thought this.
Augustus of Hippo didn't think this. St. Thomas Aquinas didn't think this. It's, it's this weird new thing that, you know, It's gonna die out when 60 percent of [00:30:00] the population in the developed world is infertile by 2060, which is what we already see in the data. Anyway, so Nick Fuentes, yeah, okay, Nick Fuentes, if your way of living works so well, where's your wife?
You know, why did
Don't you get a job?
Get a goddamn job, Al. You got a negative attitude. That's what's stopping you. You gotta get your act together.
Malcolm Collins: okay, next, David Duke divorced two daughters. So below repopulation rate denounced him. Couldn't find anything on Alex. Well, that's what he goes by the leather napkin club guy. But he's never mentioned a wife and kids. It doesn't I don't know. You know, you can tell a lot of about a person just looking at their face.
He does not scream dad to me. He screams kid. Oh, and people often undergo physiological changes when they become a
Simone Collins: hormonal profile change that dudes go through when they become dads is it's real, it's real. Dad bod is real. Dad face is real.
Malcolm Collins: Well, well, dad face is real because you're, you're [00:31:00] changing, you know, and I, I, I would probably be able to tell dad faces was like an 80 percent circuit.
This likelihood.
Simone Collins: I got to say, by the way, Malcolm, Fatherhood looks really good on you. Like when I compare pictures of you from when I first met you, when I, I already thought you were banging hot, but like now you're more chiseled.
Malcolm Collins: What is going on? It's the opposite of what I expected. Well, I mean, that happens to dads.
This is very dad phase.
Simone Collins: Well, normally the stereotype of dad bod is beer guts. It's softer. And I don't like, I don't like who guts are softer, as you know. Well, I know.
Malcolm Collins: I agree. I agree. But I think that there is. A softness to the face of people who aren't fathers that you don't see in fathers, which you will see in pictures before and after I became a dad.
And I think that people actually sort of like instinctually know this difference. They will look at online influencers who are dads versus ones who aren't dads. And the ones who aren't dads come off as, even if they're older, like a Nick Fuentes or [00:32:00] something like that, as like plucky youngsters. But the dads, you see them and you're like, Oh, that's a dad.
Like they bring like a, a something to the room. That's a little different. And I don't know what it is. I actually think it comes off as a, not an authority, but almost sort of a stodgy acceptance of reality. Which is best represented in something like the person you expect to tell a dad joke. The world is not as edgy to them anymore.
And they're not interested in being edgy, they're interested in what works. And I think this is why the Bible, and I'll put the exact quote here in editing
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-1: The saying is trustworthy. If anyone aspires to the office of an overseer. He desires a noble task. This is an overseer of the church, like a Bishop or a church leader or a preacher. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband to one wife, a sober-minded self-controlled and respectable and hospitable person able to teach.
So you [00:33:00] must be the husband to one wife. That's it. It's not vague. I love it. When I go to Catholic things on this, they go, it was. It was a metaphor. The f*****g metaphor. No, it wasn't a f*****g metaphor. You guys just ignore the Bible.
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-2: Or it'll say, well, it says a husband to one wife. What it means by this is that you can't have more than one wife, but it's totally okay to have no wives. What it definitely doesn't give mean is that everyone in a church leadership position should have no wives. Right. That's that's super obvious. And this is why, when I look at the various Christian denominations, I think that something like Catholicism is much less Christian than something like Mormonism, because at least Mormons have like a good reason for why they ignore parts of the Bible.
They can be like, well, I got some new scripture here. , I might disagree with that new scripture.
But at least they got a reason.
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-4: I would note here just because I expect some people to bring this up. They're like, well, what about Corinthian feminine? Where it says, well, in some ways a single person might be better at preaching than a non single person. And I would point out [00:34:00] here that the line from Timothy I was laying out there is . About requirement's requirement's for a role now what's the preface to the part in Corinthians.
It says now as a concession, not a command, I say this.
So. What here he's saying is well, in some ways it might be okay to be single in these narrow circumstances. Not that this is a thing that a leadership position was in the church should have.
Malcolm Collins: Says very explicitly unmarried men should not be allowed to be preachers in the church now a lot of people might wonder how catholics square that I don't f**k whatever you want to say But this is in the bible unmarried men are not supposed to be people you take advice from by the way, I went to look look at more of this because I heard when I was looking up.
I think it was david duke his wife divorced him and went for the guy who founded storm front a friend of his sad as well. So this was Steven Donald black. So I was like, okay, fun guy about it. Stormfront one kid has denounced him. Then you look at and culture, for example, no kids. Not only no kids, but she was engaged 10 [00:35:00] times.
Apparently I'm like, that's a culture. That's
Simone Collins: wrong. Yeah. When it's one of those things when, if you call everyone else an a*****e, it probably means you're the a*****e. You know, yeah, I'm not right there
Malcolm Collins: here. What I'd say. And my take away from all of this is, is that the reason why these people have resorted to this.
More, I guess I'd say like ethnic centric philosophies in response to what they see as like low white fertility rates because they don't have a cultural solution to fix that. And so all they can do is do things like close the borders to try to maintain the purity of their region in the same way, like the South Koreans did, but like, clearly, it's not working out well for the South Koreans.
If, for example, like let's say, suppose Ann Coulter is like, , I am concerned. about this American culture going extinct, right? And so I want to keep out Hispanic people from entering this culture. The [00:36:00] problem is, is that if she's not having kids, it's not the Mexicans who made her have no kids.
Like the number of Hispanic people in this country had nothing to do with the fact that none of her engagements worked out, had nothing to do with the fact that she hasn't even been able to like, Use a sperm donor to get pregnant has nothing to do with the fact that she hasn't even adopted, you know these are all choices that she has made or The result of the culture that she has adopted being a non functioning I
Simone Collins: I want to I want to talk about the line between Toxic ethno nationalism that's just destructive and pointless and hateful versus cultural pride breeding friendly competition.
So one of the reasons we talk about, for example, Israel having such a great birth rate, despite being modern and gender egalitarian and prosperous and highly educated is that they have this feeling of otherness. They have this strong sense of cultural pride. Now they're [00:37:00] not trying to shove out others.
They're not, I wouldn't say they hate on others, but they're definitely proud of who they are. And I'm sure that internally they will laugh at point out and criticize others. And where's, where's the line between what I would call sportsman like rivalry, where you're not hateful towards someone, you just dunk on them the same way that you would dunk on a rival football team.
Versus that kind of hateful. Oh, no, I'm not dunking on them. I want a final solution to them. Like what, where's the line? Because I think that you need to have that healthy competition and that internal pride for a group, be it cultural, Or or even industrial or, you know, nationalistic and, and then, you know, and pronatalism.
Malcolm Collins: Well, I think the line is, is, is clear and bold. So the modern conservative movement is a united network of clans. That is what America is now. It's the united clans. And that's what America always [00:38:00] was. That's what the different states were. It was a , United group of different cultures working to our common cause that competed against each other And I think one of the things that the left gets wrong is they think you can't have pride in your clan while still Ultimately being part of a united clan based network and a sci fi universe.
I think does a very good job of this because I've been playing a game in this universe recently. You guys should check it out. If you like video games, I've been loving it is mech warrior clans. Which is about the clans who would come back and attack the inner sphere and everything like this. And this is a sci fi world far in the future where every one of the clans that makes up the clan system.
Is very distinct. They have their own cultural practices. They have their own cultural identity. They have some level of own internal governance system. They kill each other. Occasionally they get into fights occasionally, but there is a system of rules that all of them obey in these conflicts and you can say, Oh, well, [00:39:00] I mean, this is like some new American thing.
No, in it. Every period that Western civilization has thrived. We have relied on this mechanism. Look at the ancient Greek city states. You had the clans, which were the city states, you know, Athens, Florida, Thebes, et cetera, who would compete against each other. Sometimes it's sort of ritualized competitions like the Olympics, sometimes in direct conflict.
But they always knew the true enemy was the barbarians, the outsiders, the people outside of the clan network. You look at. The great period of European history, the clans, the Crusader kings they would fight amongst each other, they would have ritualized combat things, they'd have other ritualized, formalized ways of competing, but when a crusade was called, they all knew what the other was.
It was the same with the Muslim . Kingdoms during their great period this system of united clans is the way that any of you can watch our one civilization video The one civilization works best [00:40:00] We work best when you have people with different philosophies i. e hypotheses about how to live but being able to have pride in those hypotheses and competing against others.
You can look at our ribbing of stuff like Catholic philosophy on this, right? Like we rib on Catholics all the time, but there is not like a genuine animosity in that ribbing. I wouldn't say that we should keep Catholics out of the country or that, you know, like, like anything like that. And we actually take the exact opposite perspective of that when we talk about it.
And I think we as a world need to get back to a perspective where I can say, I have pride in who I am. And I, as I hypothesis think that my culture is better than yours, but that is only proven. By how many kids I have and how many of those kids stay in that culture and how much money I make. When I say how much money I make, I mean my ability to contribute to the economy, right?
I wouldn't consider clans that live off the state to have any value to the system.
Simone Collins: So you're, you're open to the potentiality that you're wrong. [00:41:00]
Malcolm Collins: Yes, I'm open to the potentiality. I'm wrong. And these people aren't when they close the borders. It's in a way saying, and I do think that we should close the borders to low skilled immigrants.
I think that's just like a no duffing. As my grandfather said, he said, you can't have it. Heavy social services and porous borders. You have to choose one. I believe that this, this has nothing to do with Hispanic people or anything like that. It's just in common sense. And since we can't get rid of all the social services our country offers, we have to close the borders.
It's the only solution.
Otherwise, we're going to disproportionately draw low skilled people in who want to live off of the social services that we have that are disproportionately higher than those in their birth country. So, okay, like that's a normal thing to want, but these people know, they're afraid of the way our culture may change.
And the reason they're afraid of that is they recognize, and I think rightfully so, that their iterations of our culture are unable to motivate fertility. And we'll talk about this in a future video, because I want to do a whole video on this, but [00:42:00] pluralistic cultures Are intrinsically strong cultures.
Simone Collins: Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So I guess the other losing element of this is in response to encountering hardship and low fertility, their response is tear down other cultures and not fix yourself from within, which is one reason why one, we're really skeptical of. Of groups that are trying to impose their will on other groups and like grow that way, basically grow by forcing conversion versus groups that are breaking off on their own, innovating and creative ways and finding ways to just internally be great and just do better.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah, yeah. When this is, I think, a core difference between people with these two mindsets, how they look at other groups. So, somebody with one of these mindsets, they might look at a group like the Jews and be like, Oh, Jews are doing uniquely well on tests. They are making a uniquely high amounts of money.
They [00:43:00] are you know, winning a unique amount of Nobel Prizes. We should cut them down. Like we need to, we need to stop this from happening because it's not our people succeeding. Prevent them from
Simone Collins: being promoted, make it harder for them to get into good schools. Yes.
Malcolm Collins: Yes. Whereas you have people like us who see this and we're like, Oh, what are the Jews doing?
Right. What can we learn from? You could look at this was like, it's so funny that these people who would degrade things like the BLM movement aren't able to see their own similarity there where the BLM movement is like, well, if white people are earning more money or achieving more, they must be stealing it from us instead of being like, well, you know, maybe you have some cultural problems you can work on and you can look at some aspects of quote unquote white culture and try to adopt it to do better yourselves.
You know, even when you control, for example, for wells, like we're just talking about, like, Problems. For example, even if you control for wealth, homicide rates are higher in black communities. Like, so that's a cultural thing. Well, it's either that or it's a genetic thing. And [00:44:00] I'm not even going to take like, I don't think it is.
I think it's a cultural
Simone Collins: thing,
Malcolm Collins: right? Those are like the two real explanations there. And or you could say maybe it's a there's not a police enough police presence in those areas saying and then it's like, oh, so you want more police in black neighborhoods? Basically, there's no answer to this that works well for progressives.
And so it's one of these inconvenient facts. But, but I think that, that we can learn from people who are doing things right. And Jews, Jews aren't just out competing us, they're also outbreeding us. They have more kids. Even secular Jews are above their population rate. Fertility in Israel. Like, obviously, this is something I should be learning from, but if I'm in this tear down instead of, and this is what I mean, like, strengths leads to pluralism, if you believe that you understand where anyone's out competing, you're like, okay, I understand they're out competing because of this, this, and this, which is like what this channel is about, and I'm going to steal those parts of their cultural technology, and I actually think that their cultural technology is flawed here, here, here, and here, and I can beat them [00:45:00] It is my belief in my cultural superiority, the culture that I'm building for this family, that leads me to be pluralistic because I know that in an open and fair competition, we will win or at least be one of the major competitors.
That's also what leads me to a lot of people can be like, why are you so filial semantic? Because they're winning.
Simone Collins: Yeah.
Malcolm Collins: Like you're
Simone Collins: interested in those who have winning strategies.
Malcolm Collins: Yes, they're going to matter in the future. It's useful to build Klan alliances with them. Bill, don't be like the Nazis and kick out all your smart scientists because you know what those, sorry, your Jewish scientists, this is a bit like that Biden line there because you know what happens, they're going to build a big ass f*****g bomb and drop it on your face one day.
So don't do that. Work with the people who are different from you and find ways to work together because that is when I think it's one thing that [00:46:00] makes the Jews like really good, persistent allies for any cultural group is they religiously don't have a dogma to convert your kids.
Whereas the wokes do a lot of these like Catholic integralists do their highlandering it.
They're telling me I'll come for your kids one day. We can never really be allies. And so every alliance is like a Fairweather Friend Alliance and it's not what works well for western civilization as we have seen the period of western civilization where we had one of the lowest advancements like of our golden ages was the Roman period because it's too homogenous.
Simone Collins: Yeah, well, and here's what I've noticed most about the super high fertility Catholics, which are not really represented by the Pope with the central bureaucracy. They're converting incredibly well, and they have a very high birth rate. So they have the perfect combo. But the only way they're doing that is by having incredible communities and cultural amenities that make it a no brainer for anyone who believes in having kids and and [00:47:00] being there in the future to join them because they're great.
They love them. You know, they have the best networks and referrals and support groups and just other families to hang out with. So you convert because they're better. And that's, that is the way to go is you attract people and you boost your own birth rate just by converting. Imparting fitness, which is exactly what culture is supposed to do.
Malcolm Collins: Exactly. Well, and I, and I, I do love this vision of the new right. It's a United clans. When we show up, you know, you've got your Hasidic Jews, you've got your Mormons, you've got your Catholics, you've got your weirdos like us or Elon who have these weird, like, technophilic beliefs. And we all look different.
We all have slightly different takes on things. And what we agree on is we want freedom of thought. We want our kids to be safe. We want a basically functional government. And we want the freedom to be different from each other. And that's something the left can't [00:48:00] offer. When you go to their events, it is one way of being.
You are allowed to have a different skin color and that's it. You go to our events. Hasidic Jews think nothing like us. Catholics think nothing like us. We, we rib on them all the time, you know. We rib on Hasidic Jews. I've called Hasidic Jews witches before. Not all Hasidic Jews, specifically the, the group that I am less favorable to is the Habad group, but that's a big portion of the Hasidic Jews who would be watching this. That video, yeah, you know. I got some calls after that one. And, but they know when I say that, I'm not saying like I, Hate them or anything like that. I'm saying, look, I've read the same text you do, and I have a different interpretation of
Simone Collins: them,
Malcolm Collins: Even within a Jewish context, even within a Jewish theological context.
I have a different interpretation, and that's fine. An active theological discussion is what makes. strong.
All
Simone Collins: right.
Malcolm Collins: Love you, Simone. [00:49:00] I, I absolutely love, and we were so lucky that all of these individuals signaled that all of the racists and all of the anti Semites and all the homophobes came out and said, we aren't voting for Trump and our followers aren't voting for Trump. And so we got to see what happened when they didn't vote for Trump when they didn't come out to the rallies when they weren't excited.
And you know what happened? We did better than ever. Thanks guys. Yeah. Thanks. I'm happy with you. Go join the Democrats. They're more like you anyway. Yeah. They've got their own ethnic hierarchy. Pretty racist. Yeah. Yeah. So, deal with it. You'll
Speaker 5: When me and Brad first met, I didn't think we'd get along, but turns out we kind of agree on everything. Your racial identity is the most important thing! Everything should be looked at through the lens of race! Jinx, you owe me a coke. We both think minorities are a united group who think the same and act the same. And vote the same. You don't want to lose your black card. Sorry, I don't know, I just think we should Roll back discrimination law so we can hire Basie and race against Jinx!
Now you owe me a Coke. Hey, tell him what you told me yesterday. White actors should only do voices for white cartoon characters. I've been saying that for years.
Simone Collins: feel
Malcolm Collins: [00:50:00] fantastic there.
Simone Collins: You'll get on like bread and butter.
Malcolm Collins: Mmm.
Speaker 5: Black people should only shop at black businesses. I guess the only thing we really disagree about is I think white people are the root of all evil.
But what did I tell you, though? If we can narrow that down to a certain group of tiny headed white people, I think we can come to an understanding. Technically, I don't consider Jewish people white because Neither do I. But
Simone Collins: All right. I love you.
Malcolm Collins: I love you too. And this is the game I'm talking about kids, family, wife, love these people never ever ever take an influencer seriously. Who's giving you life advice that doesn't have a good relationship with their spouse and kids.
Simone Collins: If you care about having a spouse and kids.
Malcolm Collins: I believe this very strongly. Like, that's your goal of your goal is to have a surviving culture. You could, yeah. Then you have
Simone Collins: to, you have to look at life advisors who you can look at somebody like
Malcolm Collins: Steven Crowder, right? Like, okay. He has a lot of good ideas about culture. I think he's, I thought he was a competent person, but if he [00:51:00] fails at his marriage, then I can't trust anything.
He says about the way that women should be treated about the way. Oh yeah. No, no,
Simone Collins: no, no. Yeah, no, he's completely, he failed. Yeah,
Speaker 15: You don't wanna beat me or screw me? What kind of marriage is this? Bring a book.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah, he failed um and and We need to admit that whatever he thought about, you know The way you source a partner the way you date the way we should act sexually the way we should act around pornography the way We should act about all that I can throw out the door because like clearly he doesn't know what he's talking from a functionalist perspective and some people are from like non functionalist cultures.
So this isn't gonna land with him They're like, but I like his aesthetics. I'm like, okay. Well I I my belief is you will go extinct You I might be wrong, but the data says I'm right. So bye bye. Bye bye, Nick Fuentes at The World. It was cute while you were here. This little thing you put on, it was cute. But it's over for you.
And it's over for people like you.
Simone Collins: No, it was cute, but it was wrong.
Speaker 6: Heh, heh. Isn't that cute? But [00:52:00] it's wrong!
Malcolm Collins: Isn't that cute? But it's wrong!
Simone Collins: I love you. Love you, Malcolm. We're
Speaker 8: I'm telling you, do a video of it, okay? Okay, tell me about Trick or Treat then. Trick or Treat is the part where you eat it. You tell Trick or Treat, Trick or Treat, smell my feet. I want mac and cheese. You want mac and cheese? Okay, it's Trick or Treat, smell my feet, tell me something good to eat.
In this episode, Curtis Yarvin, a prominent political thinker, dives into the hidden connections between the Communist Party USA and the civil rights movement, particularly through the lens of Stanley Levinson's influence on Martin Luther King Jr. Yarvin also examines the intertwining of Marxism with various political figures and movements, including Hillary Clinton and progressive politics. The conversation explores controversial figures like Jim Jones and connects historical political philosophies to modern-day dynamics, providing a historical context for today's political landscape.
Curtis Yarvin: [00:00:00] Stanley Levinson leaves the Communist Party formally. He founds the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, which is Martin Luther King's organization.
He recruits King. He writes King's speeches. He manages King's organization.
And basically starts the civil rights movement, it is just a rebranding of the Communist Party USA.
if you're graphing the social networks of the CPUSA, you will always find these like hereditary aristocrats on top. Jessica Medford's she's really the social queen of American communism. She marries is a guy named Bob Truhoft. And runs labor law firm.
So when Hillary Clinton graduates from Yale law school, where did she go to work first? Oh, no. , and it's like Barack Obama's connection to billiards. It's just like, yeah, sure. Let's talk about how many degrees of separation connect vice president Kamala Harris to Jim Jones.
Malcolm Collins: The guy who killed all those people in South America.
Jonestown
Curtis Yarvin: Jonestown.
Simone Collins: And we also
Curtis Yarvin: are not told that Jim Jones was such a huge [00:01:00] booster of the Soviet Union the letter That harvey milk wrote to .
Jimmy carter defending Jim Jones right to take this child who was claimed by his mother from his father and taken to Jonestown who later died in Jonestown.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of people don't realize this.
Curtis Yarvin: boyfriend who he raped and then, you know, killed himself
Would you like to know more?
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-1: I tried. I really tried to find a good place to intro the script here, but the stuff said at the beginning keeps getting referenced later on. So you are going to get a stream of Curtis Jarvin thought in this, and it is. A fantastic episode. I think one of our better episodes. , just from an entertainment and informational perspective, if you don't know who Curtis Jarvin is, he's probably one of the most famous living political thinkers. , you might also know him as much as mobile.
He came up with the idea of the cathedral. He founded Herbet. Eddie. He's also a [00:02:00] fervent monarchist.
Curtis Yarvin: With the assistance of 11, with the assistance of 11 labs, you can actually make me say things that I didn't, which is opens up a really large new set of possibilities. And I need to do that absolutely.
Absolutely. Absolutely. You can, you can just catch in things and sound almost like the person results. This is just, it's a useful use of AI and you just make them say what they should have said. You know, cut out those, those Tourette's moments, all those N words, you know, and No,
Malcolm Collins: I'm adding all of those.
That's the point, right? We're going to have you talk like a gangster in
Curtis Yarvin: this entire interview. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. You do the whole cut. And then the person is, the poor person is forced to claim, you know, this ridiculous claim that these nice people you know, edited Dan word into his track and it's really, it's just a patently false claim.
It's just like, my account was hacked, you know, [00:03:00] right? Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You were hacked into the AI. You know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm actually
Malcolm Collins: so glad that AI is getting this good because I, when, when people catch me doing actually like horrifying stuff, I'm just going to be like, oh, that was AI.
Curtis Yarvin: I know. I know. And actually what people don't understand is that in the long run, it actually is a privacy technology. It creates more privacy because the result is basically, you know, seeing a video of someone now in the future is just going to be treated like you can you know, it's like someone showing someone a text file and saying they wrote this text file.
Simone Collins: Exactly. Yeah. So he's like, maybe they didn't, maybe they
Curtis Yarvin: didn't write, you know?
Malcolm Collins: So the baby feast, I thought that that was like our major, like under the cover thing of it. Get live that we feasted on babies on the you know, the black moon, but no baby feasts all in. Nobody will believe it.
Curtis Yarvin: The whole proto natalism thing is just, just because the babies are born doesn't mean you need to raise them. I mean, [00:04:00] have you ever seen a zucchini that's full grown? It's disgusting, right? Actually, the zucchinis we buy, those are baby zucchinis, right?
Simone Collins: Yeah.
Curtis Yarvin: You know, do you know what a white coat is?
Malcolm Collins: No. A
Curtis Yarvin: white coat.
It's a baby harp seal. It's a baby harp seal, which is actually in its lanugo. No. Which is the hair, it grows within the womb and it is beautiful, fluffy, fluffy, fluffy white stuff that works great in a coat and it only lasts for
Simone Collins: like a couple
Curtis Yarvin: of weeks. Well they used to club, there's like a, you know, there's, there's a There's, there's, there's a resistance apparently to clubbing them at the moment because they have these cute melting eyes and they look up at you, you know, when they're on the ice before you, before you clubbed them with these cute melting eyes, right?
You know, and of course, you
Simone Collins: know, the men
Curtis Yarvin: who, I mean, and the men who clubbed them, these are the crudest of men. These are French Canadians. These are like, you know, people that. Even the French would reject, right? You know, and they're clubbing these cute baby animals to [00:05:00] death. Very desensitizing. Like, you can't trust a man like this in civilization ever again.
You know, they need to be kept out on the ice. You know, and, and so in any case, you used to be able to buy these fluffy seal skin coats made from baby seal. Obviously suitable only for women. Apparently seal fur is suitable for men as well. So at some, you know, at some point, you know, when I have actual money, I should try and go and buy an antique antique used, used old fur is surprisingly cheap, right?
So maybe you can find like white coat, baby harp seal, you know, which no one has to be harmed for because it's vintage, right? The seal has already been clubbed you know, and, and, you know, no one is harmed by this and it's, and you have this beautiful white fluffy coat.
Simone Collins: Yeah, no one wants furs. It's also like, they smell weird after a while, and it's just not great.
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Curtis Yarvin: yeah, well, I'm sure they can use the material. You can use this material. On the seals, you can use the seals. No, all
Malcolm Collins: of this material is going to be [00:06:00] used. I'm going to be talking about,
it's actually primarily a video podcast. We do a lot of like your
Simone Collins: hair looks really good. I don't know what you're doing.
Curtis Yarvin: I had a supporter you know, paid for me to get a very expensive haircut in, in New York and I've since maintained it. So it's just the right, the right look.
It's the right. Yeah. Do you want me to play the old hits? Should I talk about Irvett? Should I? No, no, I know
Malcolm Collins: exactly what we're going to talk about. I want that whole speech about how Marxism is actually like, this, how it became the culture of the ultra affluent in the United States.
And how it took over that culture. And you, you had this conversation over breakfast and I was just like, this is brilliant.
Curtis Yarvin: The first thing you have to understand about Marx is that Marx is an English gentleman. Okay, he's born in Germany. He is a Jew. He is part of the European world of the early [00:07:00] 19th century, which is a profoundly Anglophile world, and it is a profoundly Anglophile world, both Because English speaking culture is beautiful and amazing, and so many great things have been created under English speaking culture, but also because of the battle of Waterloo.
Otherwise, we would all be speaking French, right? You know, we thought we beat Hitler so that we would not have to speak this hard language, German. Actually, the defeat of Napoleon was the defeat of the sensitive, important language of French. So, you know, essentially You know, the sort of the prehistory of the 20th century is the 19th century and like, you know, it's really, it's a relatively short amount of time.
You may not know. Do you know about the Tyler's?
Simone Collins: No.
Curtis Yarvin: So, the, I believe 13th president, John Tyler who later I believe became a confederate senator. It used to be two, now only one, one of his grandchildren [00:08:00] is alive today.
Malcolm Collins: Wow. Okay. And
Curtis Yarvin: so, you know, this is a guy born in the 18th century who was the 13th president of the U.
S. One of his grandchildren was, is alive today. Now that is some serious longitudinal pronatalism right there because it takes a couple of you know, late in life childbearing experiences. Anyway. So, you know, my point is this country ain't so old at all. Right. And when you look back at kind of the 19th century, which really starts with the American and French revolutions, the rest of the 18th century is a very foreign to us, but it sort of comes into focus more for us.
And it's easier to explain in modern terms, of course, as it goes into the 19th, which is the era of s**t lib revolution. Excuse me, liberal revolutions. And that's another one of these cases where you added 11 labs had had something to do with that. I didn't say that you know, and, and in [00:09:00] any case the, the, so because of, you know, we can't ignore the role of Anglo Saxon.
In the French Revolution, it's huge. It's absolutely the thing. You have like the revolution society in London, which is doing exactly the same thing as like the Soviet sims in 1930 or the Ukraine sims now, you know, they love that s**t. It never dies, right? And hugely romantic because you have this energy of like, it's this telescopic philanthropy that Dickens talks about where you care more about the people far from you.
Remember the heat map, you know, the heat map the meme of the heat map. It's such a good meme. No, explain this meme.
Malcolm Collins: I'm gonna find this meme.
Curtis Yarvin: The heat map is something you see posted on certain areas of Twitter. I think I did a lot of, to popularize it, but it's actually from Nature. And it's basically a publication which shows that when you basically [00:10:00] compare the level of, of, of familial the level of, like, concern for others that people have.
And conservative concern for others, where like liberals,
Malcolm Collins: like love rocks and like conservatives
Curtis Yarvin: love their more than they love rocks more than grandma. Right. You know? And of course their love for rocks is an affectation and not real love. Nobody can really love a rock. Right. You know, probably easier in some ways for a woman.
Nevermind. But, you know, our children are
Malcolm Collins: terrifically autistic. You might be surprised how much they love rocks. Yeah. Yeah,
Curtis Yarvin: yeah, yeah, yeah. The thing I say about my
Malcolm Collins: kid road, love trains. Yeah.
Curtis Yarvin: Yeah. The thing is, the thing that I say about my, my almost two year old is that when you give it an object he hasn't seen before, you always feel like he's observing it to see if it belonged to the previous Dalai [00:11:00] Lama.
You probably know that vibe, right? You know, yes. Funny
Malcolm Collins: way to say it. Yeah.
Curtis Yarvin: In any case, we go back to not actually believing in reincarnation. Let's get back to Marx. So the thing is after, after the battle of Waterloo, basically, in which is the first point in which England, you know, the, the unipolar order begins with the battle of Waterloo, right?
And because then England becomes kind of. Clearly, we're all primus inter paris, at least on the seas, right? And that creates, you know, because of you know, there was an Arab, Arab philosopher who's, oh Osama bin Laden, who said, you know, by nature, when we see a strong horse and a weak horse, we like the strong.
So basically, there's a couple of different ways in which, let's call that Osama's rule, right, you know, and there's a couple of different ways in which Osama's law really, you know, [00:12:00] kind of is relevant to the existence of the, like, the shitlib and those, like, original shitlib that Marx
Malcolm Collins: was saying.
Curtis Yarvin: And, and, and, and, you know, cause I cannot speak sensitively about the great Arab philosophers.
And you know, the, the, the, that's. So in any case, in any case, Marxism, so basically Marxism comes out of this world that Dickens is caricaturing with the telescopic philanthropy, specifically what Dickens is talking about, you know, in his little cameo of Mrs. Jelly Bee in Bleak House who She cares much more about liberating the natives of Boreal Boola Gah you know, than her own children in her house, which she leaves unclean, is that she's characterizing a particular piece of kind of, shitlib colonialism, or missionary colonialism, as I say, one of my [00:13:00] voices not being faked by Eleven Labs.
And, and, and this missionary colonialism is what rules the Earth today, basically. It's the spirit of the United f*****g Nations. Which is also, you know, it's ultimately a Kantian spirit. It's like this sort of Europeanization of basically originally British modes of thought that we can trace all the way back to the late 18th century.
And so what happens is that sort of anglophilic thought becomes you know, deracinated, it becomes separated from its roots in Christianity, and it basically becomes this kind of, but, but it still very much is rooted in, in not just Christianity, but like English mainline Protestantism, dissenter Protestantism is sort of its deepest roots, you know, going back, you know, To the 17th and even the 16th century but, you know, it first becomes really [00:14:00] visible in this kind of like in this sort of poisonous spirit of marks.
And I think that marks is real. Innovation was to basically kind of take. So, if you look at the way the founders, right, for example, about political parties, which they call factions, or even the way they use the word democracy. You know, the idea that say, you know, all rationalists, I bet you have a lot of rationalists out there.
They all know about Duverger's law, which says that most political systems favor a two party kind of structure. And if you told the people that wrote the constitution that the U. S. would have a two party structure for its entire operating period as a constitution, they would basically be like, wow, the constitution has actually been inside its operating engineering envelope.
for its entire time because it's basically, you know, it's expecting like questions to actually be solved by like debate among statesmen in the Senate, right? It's like operating in a completely different universe than, you know, than it is today, right? And so there's no [00:15:00] debate in the Senate. What the hell?
Right. You know, the House of Representatives, which is supposed to be the voice of the mob of the people of the turbulent orders has a 99 percent an 88 percent incumbency rate. The Senate is 90 percent and plus an insane seniority system that is nowhere mentioned in any f*****g constitution.
Right. It was like it was written down by God. Right.
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone): Given that around half of the people who watch our show are outside of America. , I'm going to need to provide some context here. I think so the founding fathers of America, when they were building the constitution, one thing that they were very concerned about was that a.
Party system may end up forming in our country.
And so they built the constitution to prevent that. Now, if you are familiar with American politics, you'd be like, but doesn't America have a very strong two-party system and it's yes, it does. And it had one from almost the very first elections we held. So the American constitution failed within the lifetime of the founding fathers and it has been operating outside.
Its. , [00:16:00] meant to operate boundaries for a very, very long time. In addition to that things like the Senate were supposed to be where smart people would go up and debate and compromise and come up with plans for things. We do not have like real debates. , where people are being swayed by other people's words on the Senate floor anymore.
That is not the way the Senate function. So again, operating outside its parameters, And in our book, the pragmatists guide to governance or that pizza's the guardian did on our city state one, we point this out. But the other thing that we point out is sometimes the form that a thing collapsed into is more stable. Then the state it was designed to operate within.
I am reminded here of a collapsed cathedral where I went to college in St. Andrews. , and the Seadrill was in its collapsed state much longer than it was ever in its built state. , and that's because the forms that things collapse into are often self reinforcing. If the [00:17:00] building is still standing for like a hundred, 200 years. , and I think that that's sort of what happened with the U S government. ,
Curtis Yarvin: and so, you know, but I digress. . What Marx's innovation was, you know, that he was basically, he kind of looked at the violence and the conflict and the dysfunction that's inherent in these Republican forms of government and said, no, this is not a bug.
This is a feature, or rather it's kind of this like class war stage is something we have to go through. And so he's kind of goes from this kind of benevolent. Telescopic philanthropy to this kind of violent telescopic philanthropy, where he basically, he goes from wanting to civilize the nation, you know, the peoples of Borea Bulaga.
Again, this is based on, I'm sorry, I digress. This was based on the Niger expedition. This that's spelled N I G E R. Yeah, right. Okay. You know the word and you change the [00:18:00] expedition. Thank you. 11 labs for for you know, fixing, fixing that. And the expedition total failure. They were going to basically civilize the, the natives of the lower delta and teach them to grow cotton.
In like the 1830s, 1840s, I forget the moment, total disaster, ridiculous, you know, cartoon third world shitshow of an experience, right? And so, you know, Marx goes from this sort of benevolent missionary imperialism to this kind of violent missionary imperialism, where you start to see people, like, getting actually excited.
By these kinds of barbarities that they sponsor and getting excited by the class war that they sponsor. It's the sort of extremely refined pleasure, which is so it's sort of it starts to become this kind of psychopathic thing. You know, if you basically supported Stalin in America in the thirties, [00:19:00] right?
You basically all you always had this edge of like, I'm so much more real for you because then you because I understand the need to kill people and you don't
Malcolm Collins: and like, I
Curtis Yarvin: understand that you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs. I understand.
Malcolm Collins: In the follow ups to this election cycle is a lot of leftists are like, we need to go back to being a party of the working class, but the working class is trans people, you know, like, I'm like, they were never, they were
Curtis Yarvin: never, they were never a part of the working class.
So the thing is, the idea that go back to is a complete illusion. They were always a party of the aristocrats and going all the way back to Marx and his f*****g sugar daddy f*****g Engels, you know, who, you know, ran a factory and supported this very, you know, profligate you know, person in his sterile intellectual career.
Marx was a great writer to [00:20:00] be fair, really amazing writer, you know, and the but like, you know, sort of reaching the barrier to that evil and like saying no, this thing that you've called evil is actually both inevitable and in its own way. Good. And of course, Marx would have loved to play this game where he's like.
I'm not really saying this is good. I'm not really excited by, you know, the, the, you know, talk of like, you know, gouging your eyes out and jacking off all of your corpse. It's just a metaphor, you know, that I'm like saying, you know, and like, like, like the, you know, he's like the creepy, you know, kid who writes the creepy short, short stories in the high school, you know, English class.
Right. You know, and so, so he's doing this shooter
Malcolm Collins: vibe.
Curtis Yarvin: Yeah, school shooter vibes, right? And so the thing is, you have these school shooter vibes that, like, extend all the way down to, like, Frantz Fanon, right? Who's just, like, you know, wants to kill, like, colonialists, right? And gets a substantial amount of that work [00:21:00] done.
And you know,
Malcolm Collins: sorry, people won't know this other character you named. What is he famous for?
Curtis Yarvin: Who is Frantz Fanon? Frantz Fanon is he was supported by the CIA. He was a communist. But I repeat myself. He was a He was an anti colonialist, sort of early, basically woke thinker from the 1950s.
This is early sort of No some kind of Europe, you know, international European. Huh. You know, the funny thing about Frantz Fanon is his name is not spelled F R A N Z. It's spelled F R A N Z. F R A N
Malcolm Collins: T Z,
Curtis Yarvin: But it so happens that misspelling it Frans without the T is an error we find in both Barack Obama and Bill Ayers.
Erda, we're excredited to both of those authors. So, yeah, Frantz Fanon is like universally, he's an early anti colonialist thinker, like, he's absolutely completely orthodox. [00:22:00] And he's basically like, you know, kill the colonialist babies and rip them from their mothers wombs or whatever, I don't know what he says exactly, but like, there's like, heavy, bloodthirsty energy there.
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-4: For some examples of exact quotes we have. Violent to the cleansing force. It frees the native from his inferiority complex and from his despair in inaction, it makes him fearless and restores his self-respect. For the native life can only spring again, out of the rotting corpse of the settler. At a level of individuals, violence is a cleansing force.
He also argued that anyone who was a colonized person could enact any form of violence. They wanted against people who he deemed as colonizers without any moral repercussions or moral downsides.
Curtis Yarvin: And
Malcolm Collins: Obama is supporting him and Bill Maher is supporting him?
Curtis Yarvin: Bill Ayers. Ayers. Bill
Malcolm Collins: Ayers. Okay, whatever. The weather
Curtis Yarvin: underground guy. The weather underground guy. According to many reliable, yes, reports was Obama's mentor and wrote his books. Right. And [00:23:00] so we sort of, we see this trace of like this kind of sweet tooth for blood that appears in these people again and again.
And it's like they have a sweet tooth for blood. For power at first, they want to be matter. They want to be listened to. They want to have an impact. They want to change the world in a good way. You give them more and more power here. They like their, their, their results are worse and worse. And eventually they're kind of sweet tooth for power turns into a real sweet tooth for blood, right?
You know, and, and the thing is.
Malcolm Collins: Connect here. Sorry, before you go further, because I want to make sure this is the only episode where the guest talks more than me. I love this. I'm going to get so much.
Simone Collins: This is how it should be, Malcolm. This is how it's supposed to be.
Malcolm Collins: I, but I, yeah, but hold on. I want to make a bridge here.
I want you to talk about this because you're doing a very good job of connecting modern political figures with communists of the past and over this breakfast, when you were talking, you did a really good job of connecting Hillary Clinton [00:24:00] in Marxism, as well as this, like, actor family in the 50s who were supposed to be Marxist and then everyone thought they weren't Marxist.
Oh yeah,
Curtis Yarvin: yeah, yeah, I was so a couple of, couple of different things there. So, so, the thing is that, you know, the separation between, like, you know, Do you know the biological theory of cladistics? It's like the way you classify No! What are
Malcolm Collins: cladistics?
Curtis Yarvin: Cladistics is a concept in evolutionary biology
Malcolm Collins: that
Curtis Yarvin: basically says here is the only way to do categories in things that are descended in what's broadly called a genetic way, as both genes and languages are.
Simone Collins: Okay,
Curtis Yarvin: so, for example, in both genes and languages, it is a classification error to have the classifications that are purely based on, for example, if you have a category of [00:25:00] animal that flies and you call it a bird bat bug, a bird bat bug is a false category.
Simone Collins: Huh.
Curtis Yarvin: Similarly, if you have a language, if you have a category that is a negative predicate, things that are not birds, that is also a false category.
Actually, if you're really looking at the evolutionary structure, you realize that birds should be grouped with dinosaurs and not with bats.
Simone Collins: Right.
Curtis Yarvin: Okay. But any kind of naive thinking makes you confuse them with bats. Now, the thing is when we're looking at, so that's one way of looking when we use words like Marxist or liberal or whatever, that's one way of looking at what are the distinctions here.
Another way of looking at, say, how do we use these words. Is saying, okay, let's look at the social graphs. So let's, for example, compare, say, the social graph of Democrats to the social graph of [00:26:00] of Republicans. In general, what we would see is that Democrats are tolerated at a Republican event, but Republicans are not tolerated at a Democratic event.
Yes. Right. Okay, that is a, that is an arrow. We would see the same relationship with respect to Republicans and white nationalists. They would love to recruit some mainstream figures from the GOP. They'd love it, you know, let's say you know, Kevin McCarthy showed up at a Klan rally. He would be accepted.
But if David Duke showed up at a GOP meeting, he would not be accepted. They would, let's say Kevin McCarthy comes, he's in his like hood thing, you know, like it's a big secret, right? You know, former house leader, actually also grand wizard. Now it's time to unmask himself. He's, he's been working for the organization all along.
Right. You know, you can see it, right. You know, so the thing is, When we establish that relationship between liberals and communists, what do we see? Do we [00:27:00] see any social exclusion there? Maybe some situations in which the communists exclude the liberals. There's no situation where you're, you're just too much of a leftist.
Come to my party. Your Maoism is totally acceptable. You do not realize that Mao killed 30 million people and you're wearing a Mao shirt? No, we can't have you at this party. Okay, that does not happen.
Simone Collins: Yeah, you can't realize that Che
Curtis Yarvin: Guevara was a murderer. You can't comment on a Che shirt. I have a Che shirt.
Nobody complains,
Malcolm Collins: okay,
Curtis Yarvin: so, so, so, you know, so what you're seeing is that those net, that concept doesn't exclude, like, that's not a meaningful differentiation. Now, the idea that you can't distinguish between a liberal and a communist, that there's no fundamental distinction. Places you to the right of the whole Republican Party since the early 1950s.
Malcolm Collins: Because in
Curtis Yarvin: fact, it even places you to the right of Joe McCarthy. Because Joe McCarthy, of course, you know, insisted that you could tell the difference between a liberal and a [00:28:00] communist. Joe McCarthy was not out to purge the government of liberals. If he had been, he would have realized that he had a much harder problem and he was not actually solving the real problem that he was supposed to be solving.
Let me give you a, let me give you a very specific, here's what you were fishing for. Let me give you a very specific example of this. Did I or did I not talk at this breakfast about the name Stanley Leveson?
Malcolm Collins: I don't know if you did.
Curtis Yarvin: I might have mentioned the name Stanley Leveson.
Malcolm Collins: I don't have a good memory, okay?
You're going so fast here, I couldn't keep it all down. That's why you need me on the show.
Curtis Yarvin: It's all the drugs you did back in the 60s. You know, in any case, in any case, you know, Stanley Levinson. So, you know, one of the things that in order to maintain the separation between communists and liberals, you have to airbrush out of American history.
Is that America also has a civil rights movement in the 20s and the 30s and that civil rights movement is unequivocally part [00:29:00] of the Communist Party USA, which is at its high point in those periods. Self determination and the Black Belt. Oh, I
Malcolm Collins: remember that. This is the guy who ran all these organizations.
Okay, continue. This was really cool. The National
Curtis Yarvin: Negro Congress, you know. Huh. You know, the thing is, basically, the Highlander Where they were communist? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they were communists, right? The CPUSA was a huge thing. I
Malcolm Collins: looked all this up afterwards. Yes,
Curtis Yarvin: yes, yes. They were communists, right? So, so, the thing is, like, after the US You know, the U.
S. has a very different relationship with the Soviet Union in the 1930s than in the 1950s. Okay, in between is the 1940s when there are beloved brothers in saving the world from Hitler. Then suddenly we go to war with them right after the war. What the f**k? The Korean War, we're fighting our old friends.
Like, what happened? This is super weird. This is basically what Orwell is talking about in the end of 1984, [00:30:00] right? You know, somehow people just like retconned this stuff and weren't like, wow, it is super weird that we were allied with Stalin and now Stalin is Hitler. That's super strange, and you read the newspapers from 1944, and they have to totally change their frickin line, right?
So, you know, let me give you a, another interesting fact. This is the fact of Stanley Levison. Stanley Levison who might well have met my grandparents as a Jewish communist in New York in the 40s and 50s.
Stanley Levison has is a person who had two lives. So, and this is all, you know, extremely well, this is not controversial in the slightest. Okay. This is all things that all historians agree on. They just don't really want you to talk about it. Until 1956 he is essentially the CFO of the Communist Party USA.
He's running its treasury. You know, and then in 1956, so the party has several steps in its decline. One of them is the Molotov Ribbentrop pact
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-5: This was the non-aggression pact between the [00:31:00] Nazis and the communists or between Nazi, Germany and communist Soviet union.
Curtis Yarvin: sort of recovers from that, not quite as well as it should have. That's 39, of course, then the start of the Cold War damages it again and the Korean War damages it.
And the final blow. That really renders it a totally fringe organization of no real relevance is 56 in the Hungarian Revolution and Khrushchev's secret speech in which he denounces Stalin. Okay, leaves it really hard to be super faithful after that. Somehow my grandparents managed, many did not. In any case, in 1956, Stanley Levinson decides time for a new gig.
So he leaves the Communist Party formally. It's not like he goes before McCarthy and tells the Senate everything. Oh, no. He does something else. He starts the civil rights movement. To be exact, he founds the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, which is Martin Luther King's organization. He recruits King.
[00:32:00] He recruits King. He writes all of King's speeches. He manages King's organization.
Malcolm Collins: He's the speechwriter. Whoa, you said that he's making up
Curtis Yarvin: stuff. It's not something, it's like some wild s**t I'm making up. This is just f*****g history, man. He so he creates King. He finds this basically black dude who's gotten a PhD in plagiarism and has a rich, compelling, preacherly, oratorical voice.
And basically starts the civil rights movement, and essentially Americans are never told that it is just literally a rebranding of the Communist Party USA. They try to keep, there's other, you know, other leading figures are also leading communists. You know, and you know, So essentially, you know, a few years after what the Red Star does is it's essentially like removing your prostate when you have prostate cancer.
Okay. Well, actually, no, it [00:33:00] wasn't. You're removing the prospect. We're just going to like jab at 40 or 50 times with a toothpick. And you know what that's going to do is that's going to result in basically spreading cancer cells around your body and only by detailed G. N. A. Examination. Can you see that this like pain you feel one day in your shoulder, which is actually a tumor growing in the marrow that's going to crack your bone open?
You know, like you're reading ribs. Is actually something that came from your prostate and that's what that's result of the red scare not going far enough
Malcolm Collins: Hold on quick side note because when I was researching this the way that you really convinced me is you're like look up the The the web the wikipedia article.
Yeah, i'll tell
Curtis Yarvin: it look at the look up the wikipedia for stanley leveson It tells you that he created the southern christian leaders christian leadership council Look up the wikipedia page for the southern christian leadership council
Malcolm Collins: Control
Curtis Yarvin: f stanley leveson, you won't find it Oh,
Malcolm Collins: that's like one
Curtis Yarvin: of your like, do you know when like truman and the truman show [00:34:00] sees that like there's like The edge of the world is actually like made of like pieces of canvas and they're like stitches in the canvas Right.
How do you stitch that one up? How do you stitch that one up? Right? You know, the thing is so here's another fact that you may not be aware of Wait,
Malcolm Collins: wait, wait, hold on.
Curtis Yarvin: Yeah, I don't even remember what I said.
Malcolm Collins: I forgot.
Curtis Yarvin: No, no, i'm just gonna i'm gonna inflict this on you malcolm. You're gonna yeah, you're just gonna deal with it So you have you ever heard the word progressive?
Well, you know, the thing is what's funny is my my Parents who I know only through my parents were actual card carrying members of the Communist Party USA for 50 years. I'm not sure what happened to the cards, but I'm sure they had actual cards.
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-6: I should clarify that he means this literally communists during this period, you had to buy and pay a subscription for membership to the party. , and you were not considered a member if you were not paying. And it was an incredibly clandestine thing. It was very, very secretive.
And you could have your card taken away if you got in [00:35:00] trouble with the party.
And this could, if you were in some industries, like in Hollywood, absolutely destroy your career.
Curtis Yarvin: The word that they always used, they always used two words.
They used the word communist and they used the word progressive. The word progressive was used universally to avoid outing people for any member or supporter of the party. This is the way the word has been used
Malcolm Collins: and has
Curtis Yarvin: been since about 1930. Before then you have like Teddy Roosevelt, who's actually kind of more of a fascist, right?
One thing you can go back and read to convince yourself of this is two wonderful publications. One of them is the new masses,
Malcolm Collins: beautifully
Curtis Yarvin: archived on marxists. org since we're on a Marx kick today.
Malcolm Collins: Beautifully
Curtis Yarvin: archived on marxists.
org. And and it's basically the New Yorker, but for communists in the 1930s, which is to say the New Yorker, basically, but a little more doctrinally orthodox you know, and the other is the communist, which is the journal of the Communist Party, USA, and you can look at those [00:36:00] and you can see the way they use the word progressive and you can see the way that is basically a term for like one of us.
It basically means slash our guys. If you've seen the term,
Malcolm Collins: it
Curtis Yarvin: means slash our guys for Marxists. When they had to be a little bit in the closet, only a little bit in the thirties. Right. And so essentially as the old left, which is a centralized organization under the CPU, I say, because the anarchy anarchic metastatic.
Decentralized universal new left, which becomes wokeism or as some call it, progressivism like appears. It's like you can trace this route back to the twenties and thirties. It's literally a hundred years old. Moreover, if you've heard of the practice, if you've heard of the practice. So let me just finish, because I'm just, I'm really trying to blow your minds as hard as I can at this point.
Just to finish, this practice of cancelling people is actually a communist party practice. [00:37:00] And so, for example, oh yes, so for example, in 1946, 46 I think, Stalin Because the Cold War is starting breaks with the American leadership of the Communist Party USA, which is under a man named Earl
Malcolm Collins: Browder.
Curtis Yarvin: Amazing guy.
Earl Browder has this wonderful line which he says communism is as American as apple pie, which I believe to be true. In any case in any case you know, Browder is running basically the popular front line, which is part of the alliance with FDR. That line says line has to break. The easiest way to break it is to fire the head of the CPU is a from Moscow.
This is highly disturbing to Americans, but unless it gets done, Browder has to be fired. He has to be accused of something and his people have to be accused of something. And one of his people is this woman named Bella Dodd. Who, unlike Stanley Levison, actually really does break with the party. Goes, you know, to the FBI, et cetera, tells everything she knows.
Writes a book called School of [00:38:00] Darkness, very interesting book. And in School of Dark
Malcolm Collins: I'll be back soon.
Well, I told you this would be an entertaining topic.
Simone Collins: Holy
Malcolm Collins: smokes. I mean, I was,
Simone Collins: I've been wondering why, like, cause it's still like, I couldn't get like, wait, why?
Why is Black Lives Matter so Marxist? Why is, like, civil rights communism? Why did they put black
Malcolm Collins: culture first, you know? Like, this shouldn't be related, and
Simone Collins: it's like, oh no, the guy who was the communist guy is then just decided to do, like, civil rights.
Malcolm Collins: What?! Is that black culture? used to be, if you go back to the 60s it had half the number of out of marriage births as white culture.
Now 70 percent of black kids are born with that. Right. And it's, it's just because like a
Simone Collins: bunch of communists were like, we now own civil rights. Like we're going to do civil rights now. And like, that's what that is because
Malcolm Collins: Martin Luther King sold out the black culture by acting as a mouthpiece for this guy.
That
Simone Collins: So
Malcolm Collins: the [00:39:00] guy who used to be the treasurer of the American communist party then just did all this speech writing and you go, Oh
Simone Collins: my gosh. That is like, wow. But it explains so much. It explains so much.
Malcolm Collins: So Curtis Yervin, he's not like the other guests we've had on. I'm not a dude. What a dude. Dominating Curtis Jarvin.
It's like us setting back and he's like having a rant He did but they're good
Simone Collins: rants Malcolm.
Malcolm Collins: They are a good way to
Simone Collins: roar top drawer Damn. But yeah, I actually, but like, I just didn't know. I didn't know how deep it was. Like, just how deep the communism goes. It's like communism all the way down what is going on?
What is our country? Oh,
Malcolm Collins: you haven't heard his connections with Hillary Clinton yet? It's bad. I
Simone Collins: wanna hear, I hope he gets a cord. He needs to go to court.
Malcolm Collins: But no, so it gets crazier. So like, I love that, like Curtis Jarvin, you know, he comes on, he, we're like trying to prep him to like, do like an intro.
[00:40:00] Like, okay, this is what does well on YouTube. He's like, f**k it. I'm just starting. Like, I don't get a chance to introduce him. I don't get a chance to promote anything. I'm f*****g starting this.
Simone Collins: He's just, no, he just has to like drop truth bomb after truth bomb. And we've been Dresden like, I don't even know.
And are you, are you Dresden with my reality is burning. She's on fire.
Malcolm Collins: That is a good thing. I like that. And I like you. You are amazing.
Simone Collins: I love you too, but I'm, I'm, I'm a little shook. Malcolm. That was your reality. It was dressed in
Malcolm Collins: bombs.
Simone Collins: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Malcolm Collins: You see, I was like recording. I was like, Oh, I could do a good episode on this. I could do a good episode.
Yeah. But
Simone Collins: you're like, there were so many receipts. You had no more room in like your
Malcolm Collins: note.
Simone Collins: Yeah. I was like, I did too many names.
Malcolm Collins: By the way, if you don't know Curtis Yarbon is a friend of ours. We, we talk with him a lot. I, well, we were [00:41:00] at conferences and stuff. Like every time we're at a conference, like it started, we're like cold acquaintances where we're like, Oh, I know who you are and you know who I am.
But I think we've been at enough conferences. I feel very comfortable calling him a friend now.
Curtis Yarvin: Back! He's coming back! Return. I have returned. All right. So I was telling the story of Bella Dodd, right? You got the Bella Dodd content. So Bella Dodd is on the Politburo and she's one of Browder's people. And gotta go, you know, sometimes, sometimes you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs, right?
And what's interesting is how they get rid of her, though. Because They basically prior in front of a kangaroo court for racism. They didn't even use word racism. It was racial chauvinism or white chauvinism, maybe, but basically she was accused of being racist to her. Who did this, the Congress or the communist party?
So basically there was one place where you could be canceled for racism, you know, And it was with the Communist Party in 1948. And it was, it was being [00:42:00] in the poll Bureau of the Communist party, USA.
Malcolm Collins: They did it first.
Curtis Yarvin: Yeah. And so, you know, you can go and find, basically it's just like people write these f*****g books, like the Origin of Woke or whatever.
Yeah. You know, which starred in like 2012 or even 1965 or something. Right? Yeah. You know, as if you couldn't find, there's this insane book that WB, WEB Du Bois dub wrote.
Simone Collins: Yeah.
Curtis Yarvin: Du Bois, not DUIs,
Simone Collins: really.
Curtis Yarvin: No. And, and the the, the like, and, you know, which is called Dark Princess, and it's this insane like anti colonialist, like, you know, fantasy, like, oh, it sounds like a vsm.
Simone Collins: Chicklet. Yeah. Yeah. And
Curtis Yarvin: it has, it has that element to it. Right. I think. And, and, and, and, you know, it's like, it's kind of pulpy, you know, and it's not, it's not, it's not good, you know, which is why. So who's,
Malcolm Collins: who's referenced this book? What's the [00:43:00] relevance?
Curtis Yarvin: This was a review. I only found this book in a review by, I believe, Wyndham Lewis from the 1930s.
You know, Wyndham Lewis is very I gotta find the quotes
Malcolm Collins: from this. By the way, Simone described this when you were gone, because we kept recording. She goes, she's been what is it? Firebomb like Dresden with truce bombs, right, right, right, right. And so, yeah, and so,
Curtis Yarvin: and so, yeah, it drives you, it drives you, you know, like, yeah, you have to, you have to struggle a little to keep your sanity, right, you know, and, and the thing is, you know, basically, you know, the truth about history is that basically.
Like, QAnon is right in spirit, okay? It's wrong about everything, but like, in spirit, like, you know, understanding, understanding that, that like, this is not like your mother, like, this is a demonic organism from outer space. Like, that's the thing to really understand. You know, it's like, I was, I was seeing someone writing about like early, you know, [00:44:00] sort of the weirdness of 2020 and like the whole, like, rupture with reality.
Simone Collins: Yeah,
Curtis Yarvin: that I think a lot of, you know, smart liberals, you know, like certainly including, for example, my ex like got into, we're just like, well, the way I saw one person describing it is it's basically like, imagine like you're living, you're like a kid, right? You know, you're doing your like kid thing. And then your mother like unzips her skin and she's a robot.
And then your best friend's, you know, mother unzips her skin, and she's also a robot. It actually turns out that all the moms are robots, and everyone just sort of keeps carrying on like, like, that's normal, right? Okay, everybody's mom is a robot. No, that was
Malcolm Collins: so 20, that was so
Curtis Yarvin: COVID. Yeah. Like, it was like, oh, we're
Malcolm Collins: just like lying.
This is real life now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Curtis Yarvin: Right, I mean, the thing that I love is actually no one knows where the six feet thing came from. Really? And, and it seems to be some suggestion that it was actually So social distancing just like [00:45:00] came out there? Came up with this number, right? And there seems to be some evidence, I heard somewhere that it was part of some like 11th grade science fair project that came up with this number for like social distancing.
Checks out. Right, you know?
Simone Collins: That totally sounds weird. And
Curtis Yarvin: then, and then they like completely lied about this whole concept of like droplets versus airborne for like a year, or like the way year and a half. Remember how COVID wasn't airborne, it was spread only by droplets? And you're just like, what, what is the you know, what is the difference?
And it turned out to like, make no sense. And actually there's no difference. It was just some like shitty research from the 1960s. You know, or how actually, you know, a part of the resistance to declaring it airborne seems to date all the way back to a reaction in medical culture against miasma theory.
And because miasma theory, you know, the idea that right, was like smells and bad odors and right. And the idea that things could be spread in an airborne way, like, you know, this is obviously the case for so many things, like sort of, [00:46:00] it was just weird. It was just like weird internal biases in the medical system.
Like, Oh, what do you want me to get a
Simone Collins: plague mask, starting with the insane idea
Curtis Yarvin: that it's It's really important to protect us from bat viruses by going to southern China and collecting all the bat viruses and modifying to them to see if we can make them more dangerous, right? Which is the US government was funding, right?
It seems like a great idea, right? You know, and like, imagine like trying to get that past, like a venture capitalists, like say Mark Andreessen, like Mark is suddenly in charge of funding science. Right. And you're just like, well, I think what we need to do is go and collect all the bat viruses and see if we can make them more dangerous in a lab in China.
Speaker 22: what do you mean by that? Do you mean like, perhaps there's, there's a chance that this was created in a lab there's
Speaker 23: a novel respiratory coronavirus overtaking Wuhan, China. What do we do? Oh, you know who we could ask? The Wuhan Novel Respiratory Coronavirus Lab. The disease is the same name as the lab.
That's just, that's just a little too weird. Don't you think? [00:47:00] And then they ask the scientists, they're like you work at the Wuhan Respiratory Coronavirus Lab. How did this happen? And they're like, Mmm, a pangolin kissed a turtle. And you're like, No! If you look at the name, look at the name.
Can I, let me see your business card. Show me your business card. Oh, I work at the Coronavirus lab in Wuhan. Oh, because there's a coronavirus loose in Wuhan. How did that happen? Maybe a bat flew into the cloaca of a turkey and then it's dead. I sneezed into my chili, and now we all have coronavirus. Like, come on.
Okay, okay.
Curtis Yarvin: And you know,
Malcolm Collins: I think thought that was a good idea. I guess, like, conceptually, I don't get why anyone thought that was a good idea.
Curtis Yarvin: Because you have to basically be zoomed in really, really closely. Because what actually happened in terms of the history of that event is, [00:48:00] first of all, SARS 1 happens. And SARS 1 is a completely legitimate zoonosis that and actually you can, you can watch this wonderful Steven Soderbergh film, Contagion, which you probably saw at some point.
It's about COVID, but it was made before COVID was released. Which is super fun and it, Like, is completely it the virus in contagion is a bat coronavirus. Yes That goes into a zoonosis because what happens is the sars 1 which actually gets into humans kills like 100 people But isn't really contagious enough to spread that well, although it's very dangerous creates is a problem, right?
There's clearly a problem. We've got bat coronaviruses mutating to affect people
Malcolm Collins: Yeah, it's
Curtis Yarvin: a thing. It happens because it's a real problem. Guess what? You can get a grant to study it. And so that creates this huge imagine if you've been researching in this broad area. Here's his minor curiosity. [00:49:00] It f*****g explodes.
It's like your startup took off. It's incredible. Right. And so because of that incredible thing, you have this boom mentality. Suddenly this thing that you happen to specialize in because you're like advisor had some kind of like furry bat fetish or something, and you're the world's biggest expert in bat Corona viruses because of this weirdo.
Right. And you're just like, f**k my life. And then suddenly it's a huge thing, which killed a hundred people and could have killed a hundred thousand. And you're like, this is a serious thing. Right. And so we need to defend the world against these viruses. And actually, the funniest thing about this story is that you know, the main company, I use that word advisedly, the main contractor behind it was this group, Echo Health Associates, and Echo Health run by the notorious Peter Daszak was actually,
Simone Collins: Yeah.
Why?
Curtis Yarvin: Because he was there, ran Echo Health, and he was the one who sponsored all of this research and funded the PREDICT study which the lab in Wuhan was working [00:50:00] from. Ah. Okay. This was all, this was not Chinese research. This was American research being done. In China. Largely to save money, but also because there were many Chinese grad students who needed work in China.
Simone Collins: Interesting.
Curtis Yarvin: Right. And the funniest thing is, do you know the name,
Simone Collins: We don't know any names.
Curtis Yarvin: He was, if you, I grew up in the, like, reading a lot of Commonwealth books. He was huge in the Commonwealth recently. There was a an HBO show about the Durrells in Corfu or something. His brother is Lawrence Durrell.
I love these Gerald Durrell books because. As a kid, because he basically went around collecting animals from like the decaying British Empire and taking them to fuzzy little animals like little lemurs and things and taking them back to his zoo in Jersey, not New Jersey, but Jersey to, to like breed and like restore save these populations, which were all about to be invite for Bushmeat.
As you know, Frantz Fanon rips the British Empire apart, right? And so, so, you know, [00:51:00] he saves them. And so saving cute little animals is something that old ladies will contribute to. We found an organization called the Wildlife Trust, which specializes in these ecological expeditions to save cute little animals.
Well, a young wildlife biologist named Peter Daszak realizes, while working at the Wildlife Trust, that actually, you know, while people love to give money to save cute baby animals, you know, governments love to give serious amounts of money. to stave off important public health problems, such as bat coronaviruses.
So it goes from basically finding, just due to the incentives of the situation, this one organization goes from saving the cute baby lemurs to collecting all the bat coronaviruses.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah.
Curtis Yarvin: Okay, because they could be a threat, so we have to predict their emergence. But why do they
Malcolm Collins: make them
Simone Collins: more dangerous?
The monetary incentive is there's very, very
Curtis Yarvin: simple. Okay. So basically you want to show the point of your papers to show that this is a problem. So the [00:52:00] government will give you more money. Well, in order to, these are bad viruses, right? They don't naturally affect humans and just sitting there doing the things, you know, every bat has like ton of these f*****g viruses, right?
Which fucked up all our lives for two years, killed millions of people. Right. But they don't naturally do that. Because they naturally infect bats. But the thing is, they can mutate. They can mutate, they change around, they become different things, right? You know, and that happens So he was
Malcolm Collins: just trying to show how they could be
Curtis Yarvin: dangerous?
It takes a long time. It takes a long time for them to do this accidentally. But the thing is, If we do it on purpose, we can show how it could happen accidentally. And that basically helps us understand how to like, I don't know, something, something, something, you know, it's like, imagine you have like a child, you have a number of children, imagine your oldest child, you come home and you find him and he's set in fire for the kitchen curtains.
And you're just like, and you're like, Henry, what are you doing? [00:53:00] And you're, and he's like, well, statistics show that, you know, many kitchen fires, many fires, how domestic fires start in the kitchen. So, you know, what would we do, for example, if those curtains caught fire?
Simone Collins: Yeah. Let's figure out a plan. Could we get
Curtis Yarvin: out?
Put the dog, get out, right? You know, and you know, when you're, when you're at like the dog, get out, you know, you realize that like just the teenage years of raising this organism are going to be like anything you ever considered experiencing, right? You know,
Malcolm Collins: we're all ready and we need to talk about Kevin Chertory.
We're running out of time and I need to get to the end of this. I need to get to one, this famous actor couple who turned out to be real communists and everyone thought were pretend communists. And then two, Hillary Clinton's connections to all this.
Curtis Yarvin: Oh, Hillary Clinton's connection to all this. So, Hillary Clinton's connection to all of this is very simple.
So, I'm not sure if you mean which actor couple you mean, because, you know, they were all common. There were the famous actor couple
Malcolm Collins: that were jailed in,
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-7: Sorry, what I was getting wrong is they weren't actors. I was thinking of, because he had told me about this, that I didn't know. , Julius and Ethel [00:54:00] Rosenberg. Do you know, third of the faces of communist hysteria, who ended up being executed for being communist synthesizers. And we're the only people in the United States ex. Executed for being communist synthesizers. Uh, and they maintain their innocence throughout the entire trial.
And it was this huge scandal. And now we know from declassified documents that, , they weren't just coming to synthesizers. They were actively spying for the Soviet union and actively spying on the Manhattan project for the Soviet union. So they were traders to the country in a way that could have gotten, , innumerous Americans killed.
Malcolm Collins: Well,
Curtis Yarvin: the Hollywood 10, for example, which might be part of what you're talking about.
Those were, there were more screenwriters and they were actually the leaders of the Communist Party in Hollywood, which had basically been, which had been a CPUSA, basically CPUSA had been acting as a closed shop union for all the screenwriters of all the films that all Americans watched for 20 f*****g years.
So if you want to talk about like, you know, propaganda or like programming people. [00:55:00] Right. You know, and, and they wouldn't, they would only do things that were basically you know, within the Overton window, their business was pushing the Overton window. You might've, if you saw the great Coen brothers movie, hail Caesar.
You might you might've seen that, that vibe.
Malcolm Collins: Go over Hillary.
Curtis Yarvin: Very simple. So, The doyen of the CPUSA, because she had this incredible English aristo vibe, was Jessica Mitford, known as Deca Mitford. And Deca Mitford comes over to the U. S. shortly before the war, and then her husband, Esmond Romilly, is killed in the Battle of Britain.
And so she's a very popular woman about town being. Being, being, being, being single. You know, and so very, if you're doing it sort of graphing the social networks of the CPUSA, you know, you will always find these like hereditary aristocrats on top. I mean, I can't imagine, [00:56:00] you know, what Jessica Medford's accent was like, you know, and, and you know, her sister's duchess, right, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
So she's the, she's really the social queen of American communism. The second husband who she marries is a guy named Bob Truhoft. And Bob Truhoft means, runs the leading west coast labor law firm. Which means basically, runs the leading communist law firm. Yeah, power couple.
Simone Collins: Okay.
Curtis Yarvin: Runs the leading communist law firm on the west coast.
So when Hillary Clinton graduates from Yale law school, where did she go to work first? Oh, no. Why for Rob Truhoff's firm?
Simone Collins: Oh, she had
Curtis Yarvin: no idea. Having written her senior thesis at Weldley on Sololinsky. Either she had no idea or, you know, it's just like this stuff is so completely blatant and out in the open.
Right. You know, and it's like Barack Obama's connection to billiards. It's just like, yeah, sure. [00:57:00] You know, and, and so imagine if like, imagine if like George W. Bush was like this connected to like Nazis. Oh, there's another fun fact that you don't also, maybe I didn't mention. Let's talk about how many degrees of separation connect vice president Kamala Harris to the Reverend Jim Jones.
How many degrees of separation would you expect there?
Malcolm Collins: Three, three. Give how little, what? Okay, go further.
Curtis Yarvin: Definitely not three.
Malcolm Collins: Two. No, come on, give it, give it, give it. Jim Jones
Curtis Yarvin: has been, has been written out of you know, his actual history. He's been described as this sort of weird, lone nut. Actually, he's a pillar of the 1970s San Francisco democratic party, which is Amelia out of which, of course, he's
Malcolm Collins: the guy who [00:58:00] killed all those people in South America.
Jonestown
Curtis Yarvin: Jonestown. So Jones, Jim Jones ran a progressive interracial church. It was genuinely interracial in which that consisted of basically ignorant, poor black people and like rich socialites. And a match made in heaven as they made you a match made in heaven, and it went to heaven, by the way, it was not Kool-Aid.
It was Flavor Aid. Most people don't know this. Oh, but no, that's
Simone Collins: extra insulting. No. And we also
Curtis Yarvin: are not told that Jim Jones was such a huge booster of the Soviet Union that his plan was always to escape to the Soviet Union and he actually had the People's Temple Treasury donated to the USSR in his will.
What?
Simone Collins: Believe it
Curtis Yarvin: or not. But also, he was a pillar of the San Francisco Democratic Party, who he used to do, like, vote harvesting type things for.
Simone Collins: And there's actually a
Curtis Yarvin: quote from Kamala Harris's mentor, Willie Brown,
Malcolm Collins: You know, you might say,
Curtis Yarvin: you might say, you [00:59:00] might say she came up under Willie, as they say, and I
Malcolm Collins: just need to point that out.
Okay. And,
Curtis Yarvin: and, and I, I, yeah, I don't have any problem with age gap relationships obviously, but you know, the, the the, the, you know, There's a great quote from willie brown about jim jones who you work closely with and that quote is I forget the order of these you'll find all these is great city journal article that you'll find all these Yeah, willie brown said when I think of jim jones, I think of a combination of I think the names were albert einstein martin luther king jr Mouncey tongue and angela davis.
Oh my possibly not in that order. There's not a great list of names You think of those you know, and, and, and, and like even better, you ever, you ever been in San Francisco town, it's midway in California and sometimes when you ever find a terminal one, it's the Harvey milk terminal. Oh yeah. [01:00:00] Okay. What the document that I want to see like like a five by eight feet blown up on the wall I don't even want to change the name in project 2025 You know, I want to like that's my you know I just want the picture on the wall full image of the letter That harvey milk wrote to jim.
Jimmy carter Defending jim jones. Oh hell. Yeah No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you will find this image and actually he's not just defending Jim Jones. He's defending Jim Jones right to basically take away this child who was basically claimed by his mother from his father and taken to Jonestown who later died in Jonestown.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of people don't realize this.
Curtis Yarvin: boyfriend who he raped and then, you know, killed himself. You know, and, and,
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-8: So I was a [01:01:00] surprised by this and I wanted to dig into it to see if this is some conspiracy or some sort of like far right in sanity. , or is this like a mainstream fact? That's pretty accepted by everyone. , and so Harvey milk, if you don't know, there's been a movie made about him. There's a terminal named after him at the San Francisco airport.
He is considered a very famous figure. And it is also very, very well known that when he was 33, He was in a relationship with Jake McKinney, who at the time was 16 years old. , the core defense of this that I have seen from leftist is, well in many us states, age of consent is 16. So this is okay. , but it wasn't 16 in California where they were, it was 18. , It does appear that his accusations, , grape are overblown, unless you're just talking about statutory rape, which I don't really consider grape.
And then the second thing here is, , did the guy end up aligning himself over this relationship? , yes, he did. He ended up, , jumping off a. [01:02:00] Ledge.
At 1980, February 14th. So, yes, it is true. That Harvey milk was a PDA file. , was this 16 year old who later ended up. , jumping. As a result of this.
Curtis Yarvin: and, I don't know, like, you know, like, like, you know, here's the thing, here's the thing, in Chinese history, Okay. In Chinese history, whenever you have a regime change in, in Chinese history, that's a, that's a change of dynasty.
Malcolm Collins: And
Curtis Yarvin: there was a sort of, that happened enough that there's sort of a kind of meta dynasties regime in a way sprung up in China where they were like, this was how you handled that. Every dynasty was supposed to be eternal, of course, but this is how you handled that. And the way you handle that is the first thing that every new regime, every new dynasty does.
Okay. It's higher, basically more historians than God in order to write the history of the previous dinosaur.
Simone Collins: Yes, of course. Which of
Curtis Yarvin: course is born gloriously and finishes and born neutrally, really, like [01:03:00] you can praise it, you can, but it finishes in like complete ignominy. Okay. And right, you know, the point is that when it comes time for the future to describe the present.
It ain't gonna be hard. You know, it ain't gonna be hard.
Malcolm Collins: I mean, we win. I can look at who's having kids and I can be like, I know what the history books are going to say about the president. It's going to be non charitable in the extreme about the people who
Curtis Yarvin: yeah, it's going to basically say it's going to be like very simple.
Like there were, you know, white people build big ruin, all gone big ruin, you know, Well, I'm full of decaying bats. And, and, you know, then, you know,
Malcolm Collins: over there,
Curtis Yarvin: Amish country, bad, no go, you know, I, I
Malcolm Collins: think [01:04:00] that the locusts in the urban monoculture are going to be treated in history the same way that the Germans are treated in Roman history.
It's like yeah, there were these people who kept attacking us randomly, but they're basically savages write them out of history
Curtis Yarvin: Well, no, actually if you look at the way tacitus treats the germans, it's actually somewhat different from that because tacitus is actually recognizing as well as the barbarity of the germans who's recognizing their superiority And he's basically sees like wow, these germans are faithful to their wives The way we Romans used to be.
Wow, they actually remind us a lot about the way legend tells us we Romans were in like 600 BC. Right? Actually, modern anthropology has basically figured out that this is true, and this is because the Romans in 600 BC were basically f*****g Yamnaya, six foot six blonde gods from the steppes, right? Like the Germans of his day.
And, you know, they just got diluted by , what the Nordic people's called the thrall cast. Right. [01:05:00] And, and so, you know, actually, when you look at basically who fits that description today, you know, what sort of. foreign and like deeply alien people do we see today that are in some ways superior to us?
How could we write a kind of new Cassidus? And then I'm like, Well, I can always start talking about the Moscow Metro, you know,
I have no idea what the Moscow Metro is a clean subway in Moscow, which is a place in Russia. Okay. It is a clean, attractive subway.
Simone Collins: He's referring to the actual Moscow Metro. It's not like a euphemism. It's just I
Curtis Yarvin: would basically be like, you know, Wow, these people are really kind of barbaric in some ways, but you know, in other ways, they, they actually kind of seem superior.
Simone Collins: Dude, anything compared to Bart, I'm sorry, is going to look like you can eat off [01:06:00] the floors. I just don't know what to say.
Curtis Yarvin: Well, you've been to New York, right? I'm sorry, but you've been to New York, you can't eat off the floors in New York. Okay, okay, touche, touche. But even in Paris, you know, it's like you even compare the Paris metro to the Moscow metro and you know, I'm, I'm hardly setting foreign policy for the new Trump administration that will obviously be, be set by checks phone Marco Rubio.
You know, however you know, if I was you know, somehow appointed as secretary of state, which seems quite unlikely at this point you know, I think I have a somewhat tacit it's inspired. Maybe it's inspired more by Charles Morass. I don't know. But you know, my, my foreign policy is very simple toward Russia.
I believe that we should draw a red line in the sand. It's actually, it's a very strong policy. People have accused me of being a Russia simp. This is not true at all. Okay. I believe that we need that the president, the incoming president needs to make a strong statement to Vladimir Putin. He needs to say, [01:07:00] we've drawn a line in the sand and beyond this line, Mr.
Putin, no, no aggression will stand. We
Malcolm Collins: said that to Saddam
Curtis Yarvin: Hussein, by the way, do you want to be in a spider hole like Saddam? Didn't think so. Right. So beyond this line, no aggression will stand. And you know, and when I say that line, it reminds me of a number, another great line in American history by another great president, also very charismatic man, Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
And I, in 1937, something like that, he said this thing to reporters, which he later denied, but he definitely did say it. He said, America's frontier is on the rise. How does that sound? America's frontier is on the line. So, so we're doing it by rivers. So we're doing it, we're doing it by rivers or at least bodies of water here.
So, you know, if you look at kind of the current policy, the policy of my predecessor, we might say, America's frontiers on the Dnieper, or excuse me, Dnipro. You know, so you could, you could go that far. Okay but you know, that's even farther than Iran. [01:08:00] Now, you know, my view is farther east. Now, my view is, you know, times have changed.
It's a different world. It's not 1945 anymore. And I think I know where America has to draw her red line against Russian aggression. That's an English channel. Okay, and when I say the English channel, like, I mean the English channel, you know, for example,
Simone Collins: Oh my god.
Curtis Yarvin: Hitler crossed that line. Hitler, most people don't know that Hitler took Jersey.
Not New Jersey, but Sark. Okay, so, the thing is, when I say the channel, I mean the channel. Hands off Sark, Mr. Putin. Okay, if one, one Russian No Sark. You draw the line at Sark. I draw the line at Sark, the airspace at Sark, we will shoot it down. We will shoot it down, Mr. Putin. But the thing is, do you want to clean up Paris?
Malcolm Collins: Ehhhhh. Ehhhhh. I mean, you're
gonna get, Malcolm's gonna have to agree. He's not a big fan of the show. How anti German we are and how anti French we are. And I'm like, but why would we save them? [01:09:00] Like, what have they given us in the past 50
years? And
they're like, well, the German people have a great, and I'm like, yeah, and the great ones left.
Curtis Yarvin: No, no, no, no, no. I totally disagree with that. I think two things, cars and wine. Okay. And also the space program. Let's not forget, let not forget wine. You know, when American, an American set foot on the moon. That's true. He was an American although he was a white man, but you know, it was a Nazi space program looked at on the moon, you know, directed by the same direct of One Brown, you know, and so like basically directed by, they say, wait
Malcolm Collins: is the same people?
Curtis Yarvin: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The army tried to have a program of their own, but their first rocket crashed and they were just like, we're going to park a couple of hundred Nazi rocket scientists and Allah f*****g Bama, you know, and not give them access to any Jews or anything. And they're going to put a man on the moon.
An American on the moon, you know, but like a very blonde, you know, like, like not looking [01:10:00] American.
The American space program, the Apollo program, it was directed by Venovan Brown. That's like, you know, the Tom Lehrer lyrics, like, you know, as the rockets go up, who knows where they come down. It's not my debauchment. It was literally the director of both the V2 program and the Apollo program.
Simone Collins: Oh, there you go.
Malcolm. That and Givers Treminer. Yeah,
Malcolm Collins: there you go. That and Givers Treminer, right? You know, you have too many. You are.
Curtis Yarvin: All this stuff is on Wikipedia. Right. You know,
Simone Collins: he brings receipts. Malcolm. That's the problem. I show you the receipts. The
Curtis Yarvin: receipts are real. It's just nobody sort of thinks about it.
Like, you know, nobody thinks that basically like, you know, Oh, in the sixties, what is the sixties? The Apollo program and the civil rights. Okay. Realizing that the Apollo program is actually Nazi and the civil rights is literally Nazi. And the civil [01:11:00] rights movement is literally communist. It's just like beyond anyone's ken when they process this period and yet it's literally true It's two clicks away in wikipedia.
I can't right there communists and fascists in different senses true, but like, you know like, as you know, so so it's The
Malcolm Collins: past
Curtis Yarvin: isn't dead it isn't even past
Malcolm Collins: I'm talking to an actual thought criminal here. Yeah. I wanna, I wanna be clear that we don't endorse any, absolutely not, absolutely not anything. You can research yourself.
Curtis Yarvin: You're just, you just have, you know, respectable, clean that's us. I mean, not you know, the thing is, you know, there's no.
There's no, can we say the word, there's no such thing as eugenics. Okay. Eugenics is just an absence of dysgenics. It's not a belief. It's the absence of the belief. You know, and, and, and this is another thing from cladistics. It's called the negative [01:12:00] predicate. Basically you don't want to say, Oh, this is a type of animal that doesn't fly.
Simone Collins: Yeah.
Curtis Yarvin: We're not,
Malcolm Collins: not birds. We're humans. We're not,
Curtis Yarvin: not birds. We're humans, right? We're not genetically
Malcolm Collins: retarded. We're genetically not retarded.
Curtis Yarvin: Well indeed. Indeed. And as you know, let me, let me leave you with a couple of different observations. Maybe I've shared this one. Okay. Maybe this is an observation that you've heard before, but you know, as you know, a lot of people believe this old American idea that all all men are, are created equal.
Right? Yeah. Yeah. And I'm just like, what if that's not well, you know, what if it's like true in a sense, but we could make it truer
Malcolm Collins: and I came
Curtis Yarvin: up with a way to make it truer. Okay. And that is we could instead we could say all identical twins are created equal. Isn't that true? That's really, really true.
It is so good. Again, it's not on the margins, there's some differences, right? You can tell them apart. Let me leave you with something else, which is, since we've talked about [01:13:00] history, this is a very short haiku written about 30 years ago on the internet by some friends of mine. I forget who wrote it. I didn't write it.
And like all haiku, It needs to start with the essential first line of a haiku, which is the most cliched line possible, which is, Fairy Blossoms Fall. Of course. Of course. So let me leave you with a short, yet resonant haiku that you'll probably not forget.
Cherry blossoms fall, three shots, 6. 9 seconds, rains in Jackie's lap.
Simone Collins: Oh my god. Oh!
Malcolm Collins: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Curtis Yarvin: We need
Malcolm Collins: to, we need to go. I need to get the kid. Simone, stop laughing. I know you're enjoying that Curtis on the show. You are a friend of the family. Your
Curtis Yarvin: kids are awesome. Alright, alright, alright. And it's so
Malcolm Collins: weird that [01:14:00] we haven't had you on yet.
And we'll be, Hey, we're gonna be, you know, CNN only got 500 10, 000 viewers on election
day.
So, you know, getting 10, 000 viewers per episode ain't so bad.
That's bad. All right. All right.
Speaker: Take this one. Yeah, it's okay. We'll get it open for you. Look. I see mommy eggs. Do you see any eggs? Ah, we have one, two new eggs. Yeah. One, two, two new eggs. Okay. No, that's not a real egg. This is a real egg though. And then you want to hold it. You promised to not drop it. Okay. You have to hold very careful. Two hands, two hands. Here you go, buddy. Alright, hold it with two hands and take it inside.
In this episode, the hosts delve into the story of Peanut the squirrel, a pet squirrel euthanized by government authorities. They explore the circumstances surrounding Peanut's demise, issue of government misuse of power, and the broader implications of such actions. The narrative includes discussions about bureaucracy, personal anecdotes, and wider political ramifications, ultimately emphasizing the need for systemic reform.
Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Simone.
I'm excited today. I'm going to be talking to you about Peanut the squirrel, the unsung American hero.
We've done full episodes on topics where I'm like, this is something I want to know more about. I want to know the full story. I want to know, like, unbiasedly what happened. Or was the right bias.
Speaker: I can feel it oh lord I've been
Malcolm Collins: for people who don't know, the broad story of Peanuts the Squirrel is, Peanuts the Squirrel was a pet squirrel that was euthanized by heavy handed government practices.
We are going to go into how this happened, why this happened, and I'd also say this isn't necessarily a rare phenomenon. So, people are gonna be like, what do you mean not necessarily a rare phenomenon? this is somebody saying, what radicalized you? And it's a black woman, Caitlin Greenidge. She goes, when we lived in public housing, my mom started a community garden to grow food, to save money, and to occupy the kids that lived there. And the public housing authority came and [00:01:00] pulled out all the plants and poured bleach on the ground to destroy it because gardens weren't allowed.
Simone Collins: Oh my gosh.
I mean, Victory Gardens were the most patriotic American government supported thing in World War II. What is this?
Malcolm Collins: I, I just gonna say progressives are evil. But anyway, we'll get into this more like, it, it, it gets more evil than you could conceivably imagine with peanuts, squirrel. It gets into the level of you're like, would they genocide my people?
And then you'll read this and you'll be like, oh yeah, they would, and they wouldn't even think of it as a thing. So
Simone Collins: as a squirrel going to reveal this, I, I'm out of the loop, actually. Oh, okay. All right. I'm glad you're airing this then, because the election kind of. drove right over the election,
Malcolm Collins: hid how severe the peanut, the squirrel story is.
And I think it really shows the true evil that the bureaucracy represents and why we need to fight it [00:02:00] and burn it and rip it from every state and every County in every country, because it is evil in the extreme, but. Peanut's story began seven years ago, when Mark Longo found him as an orphaned baby squirrel in New York City after his mother was hit by a car.
Longo took Peanut home, where he nurtured him back to health due to a severe injury that caused Peanut to lose half his tail. He was deemed unable to survive in the wild. Consequently, Longo decided to keep him as a pet, sharing their adventures on social media platforms. Like Instagram, where Peanut grew up to 720, 000 followers.
Simone Collins: Okay, so this was a celebrity squirrel.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah, this is why it matters as well. It was a celebrity squirrel, and it may have played a part in handing Trump this election. What? Oh,
Simone Collins: wow. The plot thickens. Sign me up for this. This is good. Okay.
Malcolm Collins: On October 30, 2024, so right before this election, the New York Department of Environmental Conservation, [00:03:00] DEC, executed a raid on Longo's home in Pine County following an anonymous complaint about illegally keeping of wildlife.
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone): There was rumors that somebody named Monica Keithley. had admitted to it in a Tik TOK video. And then everybody went and attacked somebody else called moniker Kessler, but then they attacked Monica Keesler. And it has since come out for a freedom of information requests that she was not the person who did it, or at least there is no proof that she was the person who did it.
So I'm. Just trying to clear this up, but basically the evidence seems to cite to our turn, not being the person who did it. But a lot of people think it was her.
Malcolm Collins: So, this is very similar to like how haters about us will say something like, Oh, you know, let's raid their house with the Child Protective Services, which we've had called on us twice by haters. It's
Simone Collins: similar to swatting. So people used to just, I think now swatting is more rare because it was abused so much.
But now people call CPS or they call animal, some kind of like [00:04:00] animal humane service. Remember the llama farm had, had the, had like some kind of department called on them a bunch of times. The trans llama farm.
Malcolm Collins: But but it during this raid and you'll see how completely unjustified this was in a second during this raid authority seized both peanut And Fred, a raccoon that Longo had recently rescued.
The DEC reported that Peanut had allegedly bit an officer during the inspection, which led to both animals being euthanized for rabies testing. Both animals, the raccoon bit nobody. They euthanized both animals. The decision sparked outrage. Hold on, hold
Simone Collins: on, hold on. Because you and I, we had a rabies scare this summer and we were, it was, there was a bat that was dead in our yard and we actually did have to send it in.
It was still alive. And what happens is if, if there is potential exposure, you know, maybe someone like a child was bit by an animal, you are supposed to send it in for testing so that you can tell. This
animal couldn't [00:05:00] have conceivably had rabies.
Yeah, that's the thing is, is squirrels don't. For my understanding, squirrels don't carry rabies.
Rodents don't carry rabies.
It doesn't matter if the squirrel bit them. The squirrel was not rabid. And also, if the squirrel was rabid, this guy would know because it was in his house and he would know that the squirrel was lethargic and then aggressive. But that's just
Malcolm Collins: by another animal. How was it bit by another animal?
It was in his house and they knew.
Simone Collins: Yes. Yeah, the raccoon could have been rabid though, but the raccoon didn't bite, right? Yeah,
Malcolm Collins: so, and it gets, so, so just, you know, how overreaction this was in terms of like wasteful government spending, six to eight New York Department of Environmental Conservation officers arrived at the house.
They spent hours inside the farmhouse searching every part of the home. He described it as quote We weren't allowed to move. We were police escorted to use the bathroom end quote
Speaker 2: Arms of the angel From [00:06:00] You find some comfort here.
Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx): There has been some recent speculation that this may have been over an only fans account that he and his wife ran because they also do babysitting. Sometimes the reason he suspected this might be the case. Is because the first question that was asked of them is, do they have any. Cameras in their house. However, I kind of doubt that because we know the agency, these individuals came from, they came from the animal protection agency.
And because of that, you can't have animal protection agency. People do an investigation into. Porn that just makes no sense.
Like they, I don't think cross departments to do things like that. So I think that this is just him freaking out. And the reason they were probably asking about cameras is they wanted to make sure no footage leaked of them doing this because it would have made them look bad.
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-1: Also side note, apparently they made $800,000 a month on only fans and they bought a [00:07:00] 358. Acre property with this money and. What should I be doing? I did not know. You could make that much money on only fans that's in the scene. $800,000 a month.
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-2: I mean. Look. I may have some misgivings around pornography, but they are not $800,000 a month misgivings. I can, I can get around any scruples I have for that kind of money. So should Simone and I be starting an only fans account in the comments, by the way, this is a joke. I would never actually do that even for $800,000 a month.
Malcolm Collins: They had a search warrant which they used to seize a quote unquote unlawfully possessed gray squirrel and raccoon And any other, well, no other unlawfully possessed wildlife, that's all he had.
And they begin to aggressively question his wife, Diana, about potentially being an illegal immigrant. Which, by the way, people are like, Republicans do this? No, [00:08:00] Democrats do this. The Democrats, and we saw this in our election video for anyone who wants to see this, the moment they don't think that somebody's supporting their cause, they will not only deport you, they will sterilize you, they will kill you because that is who they are as human beings.
They use you because they think they own your identity, not because they give a flying f**k who you are.
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-3: How cavalierly the Democrats weaponize political institutions against their opponents. It's just wild to me. They do it so frequently. Now they don't even notice that they're doing it. , so they'll say something like, oh my gosh. Now that the Bellin Trump is elected. He will hit his opponents with frivolous lawsuits.
And I'm like, you. You understand that felon isn't like a slur. It's a sign that he was targeted by a frivolous lawsuit by his political opponents. It's wild that Trump hasn't done this to his political opponents and yet his political opponents [00:09:00] regularly do it to him. And his supporters, you know, like Elon Musk was pointing out the, , oh, we can't let you launch a rocket because it may hit a whale. When it, when it enters the ocean, like. What and. To give you an idea of how delusional they have gotten around this is despite the fact that everybody knows, and they constantly remind us this whole, every time you mentioned that Trump's a felon.
All, I think it's oh yeah. You weaponized politics to hit him with a frivolous lawsuit and they're like, no, it was, , I'm like, why is he a felon? They're like, um, he, um, do you want me to remind you why he's a felon? He's a felon because his lawyer told him that the way that he should make hush payments to a prostitute was to give the lawyer money and then the lawyer would make the payments.
And then New York said, no, he needed to label those payments. Hush money to prostitute. , which of course no one's going to f*****g do. , and Andy, his lawyer told him this was an okay thing to do, and it seems like something that would be okay. ,
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-4: And then you're like, well, you know, he shouldn't have paid hush money to a prostitute that kind of textual impropriety union [00:10:00] of itself makes him unfit to be president. And I'm like, oh, you know, who else was paying hush money? Uh, yeah, Campbell, his husband who knocked up the maid and then paid her hush money to keep her quiet about it.
Or how about Kamilah when she was in her twenties and was sleeping with a 60 year old to get a political appointment. Yeah. That happened to. Oh, you didn't know about those things while they're pretty well documented. If you don't know about them, it's because the media you're listening to is actively hiding it from you.
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-3: and this was only supposed to be a misdemeanor, but then they said, oh, he was doing this to cover up another crime.
What crime. They didn't mention. Cause he obviously wasn't. , so very clearly just a politically motivated thing. It is wild to me that they will make these accusations.
With so much confidence that this is something that Trump would do. When they just did it to him in a reminding you, they did it to him.
Speaker 8: Controversial new ad from the Trump campaign rolled out this week depicting a montage of all the people the former president says he'll kill if he's elected in November. The largely [00:11:00] silent commercial, which openly promises the murder of various political rivals, celebrities, and even a handful of ordinary citizens,
Speaker 9: I think Trump is putting forward a clear and forceful vision of vengeful bloodshed, decapitating Pete Buttigieg on day one, ending the lives of Kim Kardashian, Jake Tapper, the Golden State Warriors.
This is the kind of thing that has proven to be successful with firing up his base, and the campaign believes it's a winning message.
But I think it's worth pointing out that the ad is not entirely partisan. Don Jr. appears in there several times,
Speaker 8: thanks for joining me, Mark. As someone who is featured prominently in the ad, I'll be keeping a close eye on this story as it develops.
Malcolm Collins: This is, this is just so wild to me that this happened, and I can think of nothing as a better message for why it's important that the entire Democletic establishment, whether you're in New York or Pennsylvania, we need to [00:12:00] start fire Bye. Bye. Torching the bureaucracy because it's evil.
Malcolm Collins: It doesn't. And do you not see that Simone and I'm like this, these are people who would like callously kill someone for no reason.
There is no reason for them to do this.
What are your thoughts?
Simone Collins: There's
this issue when, when you, and I think pretty much everyone can identify with this when you get caught in a bureaucracy and something is obviously wrong and you're obviously not being treated well, you're like, well, there's nothing I can do, you know, policy dictates that I have to do this. And you're like, well, yeah, but someone could die.
And they're like, well, I don't know what to tell you. Like, I can't help you. This happened. For example, when we have the rabies scare with our family, right? Like the County was able to give us you know, a thing saying, you know, this family has been exposed. You know, we recommend that they get [00:13:00] rabies shots, but no one was willing to provide them to us unless we went to an emergency room and paid 10, 000 for emergency room admittance.
Yeah. And then rabies shots, which we couldn't afford to pay. So it was just like, well, then I guess you're gonna die, but there's nothing I can do because we don't have a policy of you know, prescribing rabies shots. The policy!
Malcolm Collins: Yeah. They're like, literally, and I'll, I'll try to put some things here of like
Speaker 3: People of Earth, this is Prosthetic Vogan Jelts of the Galactic Hyperspace Planning Council. As you are probably aware, plans involve the building of a hyperspace express route through your star system. And your planet is one of those scheduled for demolition.
There's
no point asking all surprised about it. The plans and demolition orders have been on display at your local planning office in Alpha Centauri for the 50 millionth years.
Simone Collins: I think that's really real, you know, and it's scary because I think people are experiencing this more in Canada where like euthanasia is the option. They're just like, well, like, Oh [00:14:00] my God, let's
Malcolm Collins: talk about the euthanasia thing in Canada where somebody was like, Oh, you know, it's been a few years and you guys were supposed to install this thing in my house so I can get to the top floor of my house.
And I haven't been able to go up there in years. And they're like, well, have you thought about killing yourself?
Simone Collins: Yeah, it's pretty hilarious, but yeah, I think this goes to show that. And people accuse very common conservatives of being evil mustache uniform people from Germany, but really, in the end, you know, this dehumanization and willingness to just kind of let people fall by the wayside, take things from people.
It can happen in any bureaucracy. Especially when it becomes large and people just sort of blindly follow rules and the amount that the number of atrocities that someone can commit. I think we don't normalize just how quickly humans can do that. And you just assume that that can't happen unless someone's like actively evil and ha ha ha, cackle, cackle.
And that's [00:15:00] not at all. Bureaucracies
Malcolm Collins: are actively evil and we don't categorize them as the true form of villain that they are. I mean, consider the people who called CPS on our family. Right. They're like, they're not living the way I want them to in the same way, the people who called, you know, the environmental protection service on this individual.
Simone Collins: Let's be clear. These are people who vouched online to not stop fighting until our children were taken away from us. They, this, it's the same kind of thing of like. I want your squirrel taken away from you. I want your children taken away from you. Like whatever it is, the people who are triggering these raids and these visitations really want these people to lose their livelihood, to lose their families, to lose, you know, the, the, the, the animals and people that they love most and even their careers.
I mean, if this girl had that many followers, maybe he also was making money from like ad revenue and stuff. So like, he probably also lost income. And yeah, I just it's. It is scary. It is scary.
Malcolm Collins: Well, I [00:16:00] mean, not most, but what I see is that the same action that somebody, it took this guy to a million followers before somebody decided to do this to him.
But these people are just vile. They just want to see other people suffer because these people are not like them. And bureaucracies give them power because they listen to them. Things like swatting should not even be possible in any sort of a normal society. It's scary. Things like this shouldn't, they could have six to eight members of an administration like paid for a full day searching his house.
And then one of them gets bitten because they were rough handling his animals. Like did they even get bitten or were they just like convinced like we're going to go in there and murder everyone? You know, like that's, that's sort of the thing, right? Like this comes off as dystopian and evil to an extent that I almost cannot conceive.
And I am just so shocked [00:17:00] that we live in an environment that's so close to this and yet anyone can still vote Democrat. Even a single human can still vote Democrat knowing that we live in this world.
Simone Collins: And it's scary. So what, well, what happened after this? Like, was there backlash? Were there ramifications? Were people questioned? No,
Malcolm Collins: people freaked out, but you know, New York being so Democrat, they're not going to be able to shut down this department. You know, in, in. If we get into the administration, this is one of the things I may want to see is, is promoting bills to dissolve these sorts of departments at the state level.
They're like, oh my god, how could you do that? Well, they shouldn't have had the right to do this.
Simone Collins: So I feel torn because, you know, a lot of animal control departments and in human safety departments do really, really, really important work. Like I don't believe that
Speaker 5: Welcome to Animal Control. Let me show you around. Those are some chairs. That's a cat or a possum. , this is a nApkin where I wrote down a cool name for a dog. Bark [00:18:00] Obama.
Oh, yo, yeah, we found this bird outside. We tried to turn it into a work whistle, like in the beginning of The Flintstones.
Tougher than it looked, though.
Malcolm Collins: Animal control famously does very little of meaning.
Speaker 6: It does seem to be very poorly run, but we've only been here for two minutes. There's more than one way to skin a cat.
Speaker 5: Four. There's four ways to skin a cat. Ow!
Speaker 6: Ow! What is this?
Speaker 5: Coyote
Speaker 6: trap, dude.
Speaker 5: You're fired. You're fired. The whole department is fired.
Malcolm Collins: And I feel like that's probably what we were looking at was in this circumstance, is an animal control that was mostly a self masturbatory effort. There's even recently been an entire show done about animal control, about how feckless they are. A reality TV show or reality TV show. It's supposed to be like a, because they don't want to do cops anymore because they see the medievals.
So now they're doing animal control. It, I think it was done by the people who did, or, or in relation to, because they had some of the same actors who did that, a cop show. What was it called? It was Brooklyn nine, [00:19:00] nine. Oh
Speaker 7: Should I be concerned? They are violent and have famously bad temperaments. It's starting to feel extremely targeted! This
Malcolm Collins: and they did an animal control show because many people in the last season of Berkeley nine nine were like, Oh, I feel so uncomfortable.
The actors because we're promoting cops and like suddenly they were supernatural b******s.
Simone Collins: Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And so they couldn't even
Malcolm Collins: humanize cops. They were like, that's evil. So while humanize you know, murderers of little peanuts,
Simone Collins: I, yeah, I, I feel more conflicted than you. I, I, I think I'm the one who interacts more with government.
related officials and employees on my part. And pretty much everyone I've interacted with has been pretty great. Hardworking, well meaning.
Malcolm Collins: Who would authorize this? It's not just like there were at least six people in this guy's house.
Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [00:20:00] Yeah. None
Malcolm Collins: of them stood up against this decision.
None of them said, what are you doing? You psycho.
Simone Collins: Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, clearly there are bad actors here. Clearly, clearly there are toxic policies. I mean, I could see this play out in a way where these people were just doing what they, they were following standard operating procedure. They, they don't deviate because they don't care.
And they've dealt with so many at this point, like, Just random squirrels and, and random animals. But you want
Malcolm Collins: to know, rodents don't carry rabies!
Simone Collins: Yeah, but I'm sure that there's some kind of policy where they're like, Well, an animal bit me, like, we have the right to just take it and euthanize it and test it anyway, because, you know, whatever, like,
Malcolm Collins: I don't, I don't buy that.
I think they went in there with the intention of killing these animals.
Simone Collins: Yeah,
Malcolm Collins: probably. But why? Like, why were they that cruel? Why were they that messed up? Why did [00:21:00] five to nine people, they, this is what I read of this situation. The, the fact that like five to eight people went in there to me says one, They looked at this guy beforehand, they saw that he was famous and two, they wanted to send a message about how much control they had and how much power they had over people who were more publicly famous than they are.
Simone Collins: This could be, and there could have also been a meeting behind closed doors about this person promoting squirrel ownership and that being a thing that they didn't want to start dealing with because then people would start owning, you know, all sorts of like possums and raccoons that they found on the road.
And the girls are not
Malcolm Collins: positive in raccoons. They are rodents and they
Simone Collins: get it, but you could see that this, them having this meeting in this government building where they're like, Hey, this guy's making people think that they can just find, you know, find roadkill and adopt it. And that that's okay. And we can't have, you know, we already deal with people who have raccoons and their addicts and all these other things.
And, you know, children, children, like there have been, [00:22:00] so there have been people, just, let's, let me still mean this. There have been cases, actual real cases of couples who decide that I'm going to adopt a raccoon and then they go out and they leave their sleeping baby in their house with a raccoon and the raccoon eats the baby's face off.
Like literally. This is
Malcolm Collins: so much less than pit bulls. Why don't they go out and kill pit bulls?
Simone Collins: Well, but you understand that like encouraging people to own wild animals is not a good idea. And I think that they probably wanted to show a very prominent case of like, here's what we're going to do to you if you try to do this.
Cause it's not. And now here's the problem is this guy was a wildlife expert. He knew what he was doing. He was not at your average Jack off. Like, and he, he clearly was responsibly owning this animal. And you're absolutely right as well. The pit bulls hurt a lot more babies and other people's pets and adults than we Random raccoons, because most people are sensible enough to not put raccoons in their house.
And pit bulls are also way more [00:23:00] likely to, you know, get aggressive and do terrible things. We literally bred to kill children. Well, and well, yeah, like sort of small, small males. So yeah, whereas raccoons just get hungry sometimes, I guess. But like my point here. Is that I, I think that it's important to be aware of how these things actually happen.
And what you're doing is wrong because what you're saying, you're, you're just strawmanning these people and saying, Oh, they're just evil. They just want to do evil. And what's happening here instead, you have to understand the bureaucratic processes that lead this to happen. If you want to actually dismantle it, if you want to actually burn it down.
Way
Malcolm Collins: more evil than you're giving them credit for. I don't think you believe it in human. Evil and human evil is always downstream of bureaucracy.
Simone Collins: No, I know. I know for a fact, I believe this very deeply within me that everyone is doing the very best they can with the information they have. I agree are possessed, we'll say
Malcolm Collins: by evil information.
Simone, I agree with what you're saying. I agree with what you're saying. I do not think that there are individuals out there in the way that progressives frame conservatives, [00:24:00] individuals out there who are like. I'm going to get these people. Oh, I'm so excited to get these people. That doesn't exist.
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-5: Outside of bureaucracies the core time when people do evil or are convinced in mass to do evil, if they get lied to and convinced that a group wants to get them. So you very rarely have a group of people. That's like, Ooh, I can't wait to get X people, but what you often have with a group of people that sakes. Oh, X people are victimizing me. So I should in retaliation, get them.
This is how the Nazis got people to target the Jews. They said, well, the Jews are privileged. The Jews have power that Jews have taken your money. , And they used that to get them to target the Jews. This is how the works get all of these people. If you watch these, Progressive's freaking out about losing the election, they believed that they had the right to commit any sort of evil they wanted to against Republicans to hit Trump was frivolous lawsuits because they had been convinced that these people were out to get them even when this is very clearly not true.
Just like [00:25:00] the Nazis.
Did it, Kamel is running the same playbook.
Malcolm Collins: But people who will follow up, there are
Simone Collins: people who are excited to get those people that, but that's because they think that those people are evil.
They think, or they think that humans are, you know, a scab upon the earth that needs to be scratched off and healed. You know what I mean? Not
Malcolm Collins: what conservatives think is what progressive things, but what I will say is there is a category of people who sees their entire life about exercising power over those they see as weaker than themselves.
That's their entire goal. Everything is about how do I exercise power as cruelly as I can upon others? And how can I use the bureaucracy to accomplish this? This is what Cairns are, this is what the Cairn Crusade is about, and this is what led to this. I do not believe that anyone involved in any stage of this was genuinely like, how do I make the world a better place?
Speaker 10: Karen, you're back. I'm here to see the manager. You, you, you can't be here. Oh can't I? No, no. The [00:26:00] Consumer Rights Act says that I can now get me the manager. I demand that you listen. Listen to everything that I say. You are a useless employee.
Look at you. I don't know where he is. You've got the slightest idea of what is going on here. . Look at you now! Is this what you call customer service? Is that what it's become? I'm sorry! Where is the manager?
Speaker 11: There
Speaker 10: you are.
Speaker 11: What is
Speaker 10: this? This is your undoing.
Speaker 11: No, this is impossible.
Speaker 10: Call yourself a manager. No, no, no. We are going to tell everyone about this.
I want to complain about the state of the store, and the horrible service that we have had to deal with. Your hair disgusts
Speaker 11: me. You have far too much makeup on. That Louis Vuitton is a fake.
Speaker 10: How dare you! You take that back!
Her hair is fabulous! Yuck, yuck, yuck. Adam, Rowan,
Speaker 11: I have them in [00:27:00] a temporary rage paralysis. We must surround
Simone Collins: sorry, I'm trying to get a word in edgewise, but like, she's not letting me.
Malcolm Collins: Girl, girl, I've given you so many opportunities to fall asleep.
Simone Collins: You've resisted. Okay. I disagree. I think that this was them kind of like how Martha Stewart was used to this prominent. I'm going to make an example of you because you're famous and we're going to use this to show you that, you know, like no, one's above the law and to get everyone to pay attention to our rules, which we want more people to be aware of.
And they also do not promote wild animal ownership among people. And this was a prominent, you know, with, with a lot of followers person. Who is making it look really cool to own things like squirrels and probably, I bet the raccoon featured in some of this content as well. And that, that is dangerous.
It's not, it's not a good idea unless you really know what you're doing. And he really knew what he was doing, but he was also kind of influencing people who don't know what they're doing.
Malcolm Collins: Squirrels are not dangerous to own. That's the thing.
Simone Collins: Yes, squirrels, I imagine are quite fine. I [00:28:00] mean, people own all sorts of animals, do things to hurt family members and other animals and their owners.
But I'm just, I'm trying to say how I think this could happen with well meaning people. I do think the person who called this on him, well, again, you know, the people who call CPS on us, Do care about children. Do think we're hurting our children. No, they're wrong.
Malcolm Collins: They care about enforcing their cultural value system, and they have deluded themselves into thinking that equates to caring about children.
Simone Collins: Oh yeah, but I mean, like, your own mother was like, Oh, if you don't spend a million dollars a year on them, you're mistreating your children. And like, Simone,
Malcolm Collins: come on. You understand that that's an unrealistic expectation. I do, but I'm just saying that those people don't realize,
Simone Collins: those people don't realize that.
Those people just genuinely believe that these unrealistic standards are, must be met or that children are being brutalized.
Malcolm Collins: You know what I mean? All I'm saying is that everyone involved in the Peanuts and Squirrel Massacre needs to be rounded up. They need to be arrested, and they need to be [00:29:00] court martialed.
That is something that I think the next Trump administration needs to handle. People need to understand, you cannot, you cannot do this BS.
Simone Collins: I will say that what they did was messed up, and I don't
Malcolm Collins: It's not messed up, it's evil in the extreme, and it's evil in any reasonable person would have known it was evil.
Simone Collins: Yeah, that many people to raid someone's house, you know, it's one thing to be like, hey, dude, like I don't know. Do you know what the rules are?
Like, what rule was this man supposedly violating? No rule. No rule. So you're allowed to own?
Malcolm Collins: So what? Yeah, you're allowed to own squirrels. You're allowed to own raccoons. These aren't illegal to own.
Simone Collins: Then, then can he sue? Like, on what grounds could they go in and do that?
Malcolm Collins: Somebody said this guy was being naughty. This is about authoritarianism overriding the rights of the individual.
Simone Collins: Yeah, well I think that's another reason to [00:30:00] keep the state on both a national and local level as small as possible, because it can be abused as soon as it's too big.
And that's just not, not okay. The more, the more that the state or any bureaucracy could be used as a cudgel against people, the, the worst things get, Oh my God, give up and fall asleep. You know, you want to, Oh, you know,
you want
to,
you're resisting it so much. Oh, she's the worst. I love her so much.
I love her
Malcolm Collins: children.
Don't worry. I'll come and beat her for you.
Simone Collins: People will think that you're not kidding. I, this is, and then we'll have CPS called on us again.
Malcolm Collins: It's time for dinner. I'm excited for dinner. I'm excited to be married to you. I'm excited to live a life with you. Oh, by the way, don't forget to cut up the long hot pepper I got from the grocery store for the fried rice.
Simone Collins: Okay. So you want me to redo the fried rice with the long hot?
Malcolm Collins: [00:31:00] Not redo. I mean, you're reheating it anyway. Yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm
Simone Collins: reheating. Well, I'm going to do a small batch for the kids. I have to do two pans then because there's going to be the non spicy pan for the kids. Ignore it then.
Malcolm Collins: Just do it however you want.
Whatever is easiest. I love you.
Simone Collins: What if I, what if I made a ramekin full of the spiced up long hot, but it wasn't so good? So what I
Malcolm Collins: do is take about a quarter of the long hot, cut it into very small pieces. Okay. Very small. And then we can dust it on top of my part of the fried rice at the end.
Simone Collins: Okay. Just one quarter of it.
Malcolm Collins: Yes.
Simone Collins: Okay.
Malcolm Collins: Oh, now she's looking for something that spicy. You're not even going to get that much, you know, by the way, the story of peanut, is it worse than you thought from what you had heard?
Simone Collins: No, I'd heard all of those things. I will. The one thing I hadn't heard. It was how many people were involved. And that is insane.
Also just like, even if you don't care about peanut, even if you don't care about this guy, even if you don't just the, the, the government [00:32:00] waste our tax dollars and we will New Yorkers tax dollars, but still being in New York, when you consider now you fall asleep, the struggle session of these podcasts with irritable Indy who needs to take a nap and the very fricking end.
She's out.
Malcolm Collins: That's sweet, by the way. Oh,
Simone Collins: I mean, and now I don't want to get up because now she's all snuggled. What these children are.
Malcolm Collins: So I'm sorry. Our children are a constant pain in your life.
Simone Collins: Oh, she's so
Malcolm Collins: sweet.
Simone Collins: Oh my God.
Okay. But yeah, that you have to consider, you know, these people are getting pensions.
These people like government workers are actually quite expensive because they typically have full benefits. They have pensions. They, they have insurance, like all it just. And probably they have some kind of car that they're driving around in, like, this is just a huge waste of money. So it's even [00:33:00] egregious in that perspective.
And it really bothers me. We do with our, our, the business that we run, that's our only paying day job that we're about to voluntarily leave, which good luck to us. Right. We do these RFPs, we respond to requests from various types of governments and government funded entities to do their travel management and our business response to them saying, here are our prices.
Here are our services. And. We'll have these calls where it's just like really simple questions that they, they want to ask us and like eight people will be on the call and we'll have to go whole like hour to talk about it. And seven out of the eight people are doing absolutely nothing. And I'm just thinking about just, okay.
I'm like counting up like, well, Kate's probably costing them an average of 50 per hour per person. Like this call cost. You know, let's, you know, seven [00:34:00] times a 50, like, why are you doing this? Like this, the amount of money that was just wasted for something that you could have emailed me about is so yeah, that, that stuff keeps me up at night just as much as tragic squirrel stories for sure.
But I will. I
Malcolm Collins: love
Simone Collins: you too. Final piece of advice. Maybe I could ask you to share is. Okay, if people are using the government as a cudgel to hurt families, they're calling CPS on families. They're calling, you know, animal services on, on families. You know, this is the new swatting. What should people be preemptively doing to protect themselves?
If raids are now the, a weapon being used
Malcolm Collins: just so little you can do and what you haven't seen is that we have been protected because we are, you know, like a heterosexual married couple. That is, if you're like a single guy, the [00:35:00] first time you get CPS called on you, the kids get taken away
Simone Collins: and 37
Malcolm Collins: percent of American kids have had CPS called on them.
Simone Collins: Well, then maybe. I kind of feel like a disaster preparedness fan, a plan that people need to have.
Malcolm Collins: I know, and this is what I've done recently is say, I'm not taking my kids in public parks anymore. I'm not putting them around public people anymore. It is too dangerous.
Simone Collins: Well, but also like, have a lawyer that you are ready to call who knows who you are.
But also know your rights in your state and be prepared to say like, You are not allowed to do this because I think a lot of what's happening is, is people are letting groups into their house, not knowing what's going on.
Malcolm Collins: That's not true, Simone. In the case of Peanut, they had a search warrant. They had a search warrant.
You are, you are misunderstanding how powerful these I'm just, well, I'm just, I'm trying to think of what, you know, like All you can do is prevent them from seeing you if you don't have the power to resist. [00:36:00]
Simone Collins: So you're just saying people need to be secretive and hidden.
Malcolm Collins: With us, we are only comfortable doing this because we have the power to resist the people who may attack us.
You
Simone Collins: mean all the guns? That's not going to help if it's the government. No,
Malcolm Collins: not the guns, I mean the public profile, the number of impactful and successful friends who could influence government policy. If somebody attempts to take one of our kids from us, if CPS comes here and they say, Oh, we're going to take X kid or Y kid, we would win them back within a few
Simone Collins: weeks.
It
Malcolm Collins: would be, we know the press to contact, we know how to make a story go viral. Your average person doesn't know that. If they take their kids, their kids are taken.
Simone Collins: We'll do
Malcolm Collins: a separate episode on this because they love taking children from people. This is like a mainstream thing at this point.
Simone Collins: Yeah, which is, it's extra disturbing [00:37:00] because The people who work for Child Protective Services or, you know, whatever child services entity there is, these are people who genuinely care about children and we work with some what I'm saying Malcolm is the ones that I've met and we've worked with them both as service providers and as people like the people who come to our house.
These are people who really care about the wellbeing of children. And these are groups that like, for example, child protective services in our area, primarily is just distributing food and clothing and diaper aid to families of limited needs. Oh my
Malcolm Collins: God, Simone, you buy into their BS. It takes one totalitarian bad apple to start taking children for people.
It's true. But what I'm saying
Simone Collins: is. When people are doing that, they're also taking resources away from families that it could actually benefit from the services. I
Malcolm Collins: don't disagree with that, but you just need to be much stricter about these organizations and you need to clean them out, like taking a. a flamethrower to them.
You can't have [00:38:00] any disregard people like, Oh, I've been with this organization for 25 years. F**k you. How many kids have you taken compared to other people's count? This should be easy to count. Same with this.
People are not fully considering this because there's people like you who say, Oh, many people at these organizations are doing this right. I, the people at these organizations are doing this right, are looking forward to the flamethrower day.
Simone Collins: That's fair. And I, I think that that's something that we see when we bring up this message.
I think it's the same for like effective altruism. Is it when we talk about effective altruism, needing a really big reckoning, pretty much everyone we know who's a real effective altruist is like, I 100 percent agree. We need to clean house. By
Malcolm Collins: the way, check it out.
Simone Collins: Yeah. That's the same with many of these organizations [00:39:00] where, you know, People come in same with teaching schools, right?
Like we know a lot of really amazing teachers who are like, burn it down. Like I came here wanting to help kids and I'm prevented from doing so every single day. And that's I think that's the message is I just I don't want people to come away thinking that we hate. government workers, or that we think that they're bad people, I think that they're in systems that have become inherently corrupted, and I think that they know better than everyone else what needs to be done to clean them up, but they're kind of prevented from doing so.
Oh, you're so understanding,
Malcolm Collins: Simone. This is why everyone wants you to be president and not me. Everyone knows that you would never go crazy with power.
Simone Collins: I'm too autistic for that.
Malcolm Collins: I love
Simone Collins: you. I love you. Have good day. You too. Good day, sir. I Good day, man. I said good day.
Malcolm Collins: No, I said,
Simone Collins: I
said, I
said,
Malcolm Collins: I said I Little sun toast.
He does.
Simone Collins: I said, I said, I said
Malcolm Collins: I love you. Yes. [00:40:00] I love you a great deal, by the way. I
Simone Collins: love you too, Malcolm. I'm glad we get some normal life for a few days going forward.
Malcolm Collins: A few days.
Simone Collins: I just want a
Malcolm Collins: documentary living with us for a while We were at hereticon before that we're leaving our jobs. I don't know what to do. I just want to sleep
Simone Collins: I'm not sleep for like But you can't sleep because then there's the kids like I really probably would sleep for like a good 24 hours If there weren't like
Malcolm Collins: How about this?
This weekend, can I take the kids for you and let you sleep for 24 hours at any point? No, because
Simone Collins: then I'm going to spend 24 hours awake cleaning the house to deal with the aftermath. But I would love extra support this weekend.
I'm just really tired, but I love you so much. And obviously everyone knows you got the better. I got the better end of that.
The deal, the pretty one you are, you are, you are irreplaceable. You could buy with money. Every single thing that I do.
Malcolm Collins: Somebody explain this to me. I actually think my wife is pretty hot. Like, but we get mails. [00:41:00] Like she, she has a face that can sink a thousand ships.
Simone Collins: Malformed. Yeah. All of those things
Malcolm Collins: are genetically defective.
And they're only talk about you in this way.
Simone Collins: Yep. Nope. They're like Malcolm's.
Malcolm Collins: They're like, Malcolm, yeah sure, whatever, Malcolm, but Simone, the malformed, genetically defective woman who can sink a thousand ships with her disgusting face, pseudo face. Pseudo, yeah, oh
Simone Collins: my god. You seem normal to me. Well, thank goodness, right?
I don't like the way I look. That's, that's why it hurts, you know, if I were like stunning and I'd be like, Oh, you know, that doesn't offend me. But I look in the mirror and I cringe, you know, I'm like, well, God, like, why do you have to complain? I'm, I have to look in the mirror every day. This is not fair.
But anyway, you don't want me talking myself down. So I'm the best. Everyone knows that
Malcolm Collins: you're, you're great. You're great. No, I mean, I, I don't like it [00:42:00] when you talk yourself down in terms of your prominence. I, you know, if you're talking about your looks or something like that.
Simone Collins: Well, here, here's the thing I, here's what I'm going to put down.
I think that the way that I look is going to actually be at a premium in a post AI world, because in a post AI world, and especially with filters and everything else now. There is going to be value put on clearly real human forms that are flawed because you know that they're genuine and also they're the only thing that you're going to see like this sort of homogenization.
Of faces. You can already see it when you have like AI create images of humans. They all kind of look the same when you see, like, when I scroll through Instagram, everyone kind of looks the same and people who look weird are going to stand out and it is the standing out that makes you memorable. I don't even
Malcolm Collins: think you look that weird as
Simone Collins: a 40 year old woman.
Who's had, I'm not, Oh my God. Ouch. I'm 37. I'm almost [00:43:00] 37 as a mid thirties woman.
I mean, you've made your own point, Malcolm. Okay. I just, I don't know what else to say. As a mid
Malcolm Collins: thirties woman who's had four kids. I think that you look spectacular. And honestly, the only two odd things about your face.
Simone Collins: If
Malcolm Collins: I'm going to be honest here, it's your nose a little big.
I think by a lot of people's standards, they'd be like, Oh, that's a Jewish nose. And it's like, yeah, very Jewy. And the other is your mouse. Like mine is gigantic. Thanks. I'll tell you a funny thing. No. So a lot of people don't realize how much people's mouths change in size.
Speaker 14: What is he up to? He's bringing him out. He's bringing him out.
Speaker 13: So what is Torsten doing right now?
Speaker 14: Torsten [00:44:00] is Completely naked.
Speaker 15: Except for two yellow boots. Out in the 30 degree weather. Filling a bucket of rocks from his rock garden. Died to look a baby deer.
We told that to Tyson because there actually is a deer in the background. But she just looked at naked Dorstan. That's just Torsten. I
Speaker 14: don't see it. You don't see it? Okay, let's, let's help her.
This video tells the story of Scott Pressler, a gay man and conservative political activist who played a significant role in registering first-time Amish voters, contributing to Trump’s victory in Pennsylvania during the election cycle. The video explores Pressler’s activism since 2016, his efforts in organizing community events, and his involvement with the Republican Party. Pressler’s work has garnered attention and praise for its impact, highlighting the misconceptions about the relationship between the LGBT community and the Republican Party. The discussion extends to broader political narratives, the role of grassroots efforts in political campaigns, and the significance of individuals who make substantial contributions to the political landscape.
Simone Collins: [00:00:00] Today, we are going to be telling the story of the gay man who convinced the Amish to vote for Trump and likely won him this election cycle. You're like, Oh no, he couldn't have possibly won the election for Trump.
Trump won Pennsylvania by 200, 000 votes. 180, 000 Amish first time voters were registered by him.
Malcolm Collins: Whoa.
Simone Collins: Okay,
Malcolm Collins: wow.
Simone Collins: So a mainstream Republican like Staffer for Trump, Jan Halper Hayes, said if Trump wins Pennsylvania, we owe it to this man.
Malcolm Collins: Trump
Simone Collins: won Pennsylvania by 200, 000 votes. This guy registered 180, 000 first time Amish voters, and he didn't just register them.
He also registered other people.
Malcolm Collins: Damn. Wow.
Simone Collins: So let's go to the story of Scott Pressler. What I think it also shows, gays are not just now [00:01:00] embraced by the Republican Party. It's not just that Trump was the first
presidential candidate in U. S. history that supported gay marriage when he was elected. Obama did not, by the way. It's that this is a two way love story between real gays, not fake gays. Not this fake BS b******t. Where it's like, oh, I can identify as whatever I feel like. Real gays and Trump. People who didn't have a choice Of who they were attracted to.
And again, I'm not saying I don't think it's anti biblical. I'm just thinking it's not particularly more anti biblical than something like you know, prostitution or masturbating to women other than your wife or any number of things that are fairly normal in our world today. But let's, let's talk about this guy.
It's the story of Scott Presley. Scott Pressler has been a conservative political activist since 2016 when he served as a regional field director for the Republican Party of Virginia. He is openly gay and co founded the [00:02:00] LGBT coalition Gays for Trump the same year. He also became a volunteer for Act for America, an anti Muslim advocacy group the following year, he organized march against Sharia events.
Additionally, he has been organized. being cleanup events of Baltimore and Los Angeles where scores of volunteer remove trash from the streets and we'll get into the second. The vigilant Fox said you were the most impactful non billionaire this election cycle. Well done, Scott, you helped us save America.
Speaker 3: Today was tweets we saw on social media from our president, and we were just tired of people doing so much talking, but not enough. actually rolling up your sleeves, putting on your boots and getting dirty. That's why we're out here today.
And the coolest thing is, you know, Mr. King on the corner, he owns a shop over here. He came over to help. We have Mr. Williams owns a funeral home. He came over. He said, the next time you go out here in the community, you let us know.
Simone Collins: And if you're looking at what the RNC chair said about this individual, he [00:03:00] said, quote, Scott Pressler has single handedly registered more voters for the Republican Party than any other human being alive today.
Oh my
Malcolm Collins: gosh.
Simone Collins: This guy's prolific and a closer. Oh, he's great. He's so great. No, you, if you watch videos of him, he just so clearly cares.
Speaker: I don't people put American citizens first, but illegal immigrants get everything. And I hope you post this. I want this to go viral. Because I give a damn and I care about my community. My dad is a retired Navy Captain. He served our country honorably. My grandfather is a retired Navy Captain. And I'm doing my part to help our country.
Because I give a damn. And I'm going to fight for it. And I am 100 percent voting for Donald Trump on Tuesday, November 3rd, 2020. The Democrat Party does not put our people first. They put sanctuary cities first. They put illegal aliens first. They tax us. They tax our water. You can't even do laundry and shower on the same day.
While Nancy Pelosi is getting hundreds of [00:04:00] thousands of dollars, robbing our pockets, not doing anything for our people, not passing legislation, passing out pens like they're candy. Meanwhile, President Trump is signing the United States Mexico Canada Agreement, and he's signing trade deals, and he's cutting our taxes, and he's securing the border, and he's putting our veterans first.
I am proud of President Trump, and I am voting for him because he's putting the American people first. Period.
Simone Collins: He wants none of the, the, He did this without pay at the beginning. He was, what he did for a living was walking dogs. He was just out there trying to fix things. That was it.
That was all he cared about was trying to fix things. So he entered into politics. In 2019, when President Trump said of Baltimore it's a disgusting and rodent infested mess. And what liberals did when they heard that. As they said, how dare he called [00:05:00] Baltimore a disgusting, rotten, infested mess.
Malcolm Collins: Meanwhile, everyone in Baltimore, I mean, everyone
Simone Collins: in Baltimore was like and what Scott Pressler said, if not me, then who? So it was in six days of Trump's tweet, Pressler organized over 170 volunteers to clean up West Baltimore. They first rounded up 12 tons of trash in 12 hours.
And he has done this in other cities. Specifically, he did similar efforts in Atlanta, Austin, Chicago, Denver, Detroit, Houston, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, San Francisco, and Portland. So,
Malcolm Collins: again And is this all like Is this well campaigning or is this just no, just after
Simone Collins: Trump did that that year, his first thing wasn't even to get into politics.
Malcolm Collins: What
Simone Collins: it was just to be like, f**k it. I'm going to fix this. If, if, if these cities are like filled with trash, if they're [00:06:00] disgusting, well then we need to make them not disgusted.
Malcolm Collins: This guy's actually working to make America great again. Yeah. Is that not like the
Simone Collins: whole
Malcolm Collins: thing?
Simone Collins: I actually, if he runs and I f*****g hope he runs. If he runs in the next presidential election cycle, I think he would clean up. If you watch any video on him, he is the most wholesome, dedicated motherfucker I have ever seen in my life.
He said he'd come back and today he did last time
Simone Collins: He is 100%. He, when Democrats were like, no, these cities aren't disgusting. He's like, oh yeah, America's major cities have fallen into being wrecks. Like 12 tons of trash. Oh
Malcolm Collins: my gosh.
Simone Collins: Like actually contextualize that. So then, you know what he did in 2021? [00:07:00] He moves to Pennsylvania. Buys property here so he can vote here.
No. And he did it in an attempt to try to get people to vote. And one of the core communities he targeted were the Amish. Because Amish historically don't vote. So. She did door to door canvassing using public records to identify likely Amish households. He set up a stall at the green dragon market and Amish fair in Lancaster County to interact with the community regularly.
He offered rides to polling stations and assistance was absentee ballot registration. And I also will note here that a lot of people don't know this, but actually Kennedy was really close with the Amish community. He had been campaigning in the community here for. Ages apparently when the Democrats stabbed Kennedy in the back, not letting him really run as a real third party candidate in any of the important States.
Kennedy then went with Trump right now, by the way, he is involved with Trump's transition team. He's one of [00:08:00] the people we're going to be reaching out to in terms of training at transition spots. And Kennedy you know, he, when he moved to the Trump team, a lot of the Amish people, in addition with Scott Pressler's work, by the way, a gay man, people who think, people think that like so many Republicans are like, Oh, you're gay.
I hate you. Even the Amish who are like. You could not be possibly more heterosexually normative than the Amish. They're like, yeah, but if you're telling us, like, reasonable things, let's listen and talk through this, right?
Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx): I've been thinking more about Kamala Harris has lost recently, and I think it's going to be uniquely hard. For Democrats to win these individuals back because it's no longer become a fight over policy. When I look at the, like our politics sub Reddit right now, or on Twitter right now, and the lefties that are freaking out, they're all like, oh, you know, if you're black Republicans are going to enslave you, if you're gay, Republicans are going to kill you. If you're a woman, Republicans are going to forcibly impregnate you.
, and. The things just like factually [00:09:00] aren't true. And the key thing that I think moves people from the left to the right is breaking out of this illusion, just like looking at reality and being like, oh, a gay person was one of the key players in getting Trump elected. A polyamorous guy was one of Trump's key funders, Ilan. , he is VP was. Found for him a by another gay man, Peter teal, like this, obviously isn't a party that is either antagonistic to, or on bad terms with the gay community.
And.
How do you win one of these people back when they found out that you lied to them about somebody. Convinced them to unjustly attack and dehumanize this other group. And then they learned that everything that you told them about this other group was a lie. Like they go to a Trump rally as an out openly gay person and they realize everyone is nicer to them than at a camel rally or as a black person, or either they, you just can't win them back. Once the, , the veil is revealed
Speaker 5: So, now that [00:10:00] the orange turd has won, we should now rename America Hell. Because it is going to be hell on earth once they strip everyone's rights away that is no straight white cis man. So buckle up! Hope you frickin republicans are happy! I'm outta here.
Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx): because you have turned this from a policy battle. Into a, what is true about reality battle? Will Republicans go and try to take away their rights? Will Republicans try to enslave them or kill them? , and when the answer is not just no, but so in phatic, No, it's almost comical. , and the Republicans are actually maybe their only real allies left who will protect them, you know, like lesbians, for example, from cismen pretending to be trans and getting on dating apps and aggressively harassing them. Or beating them up at bars or.
Associating the gay movement with the ridiculousness of things [00:11:00] like trans women in sports. , which obviously makes the gay movement look bad. And so the Democrats are like, oh, this is an LGBT issue. And the Republicans are saying greatly, no, it's not. It's a weird sex pest issue. , and it should not negatively reflect on the gay community. And let's call them the normal gates because there are normal gays and normal gays.
And I know a lot of normal gays. I know a lot of weird gates. , the normal gays are like, Overwhelmingly Republican. I'd also point out they'd almost sort of be these for me, the modern stereotype. Of the wholesome dad, Republican meme. , which I think might surprise people who don't have that many friends in the gay community.
Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-1: So, how do dims win given that this is the case? Will. It's not about running a non-woven candidate. Even the woke ism is the problem because Camelot was a non-well candidate and Biden was a non-work candidate. They need to run an antiwar candidate, a candidate who calls out, woke b******t on the regular. And demeans [00:12:00] it. And I'd say, how do we, as Republicans keep up this when, what you need to call out the individuals who would, B smirch our new and growing set of allies, like the normal gay males.
, and so when an individual is out there in a Republican circle, calling out them for, I don't know whether they'd sinful for the Bible. It's a perspective be like, are they actually living a sinless life? No. Are they doing more to help the Republican party than people like Scott Presler no. Well then they can f**k right off. You get to make these sorts of accusations when you live that way, when you aren't living that way. This is for you and yourself to deal with.
Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-2: And because of this Republicans are going to keep winning, because I know that Republicans can do this. They can actually police the extremists within their own community and they have been. Whereas Democrats can't do this. , you will not have a mod on our politics, [00:13:00] banning someone for some ridiculous. Oh, I don't feel safe because I'm gay and Republicans ran post, but. You will get people on conservative message boards, banning people for. Aggressively homophobic rhetoric. And that's why Republicans are going to win because we deal with our own extremism while the left is too cowardly to do it.
And you also see this from Trump in his support of the gay community.
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone): And I actually think we can see the success of this just by looking online at YouTube videos and stuff like that. You look at someone like leather apron, clubs channel, and he did a video saying don't vote for Trump. Don't vote for the Republicans. This party no longer stands for us. I feel ostracized when I say antisemitic things, I feel ostracized when I say. Anti-gay things.
Um, I don't like the word homophobic. It's stupid, but, but anti-gay things basically. He's like what I say that, you know, being gay, is it right? I feel ostracized in this community. , and the community in, and he acted as if this is going to keep Trump from winning. This is going to keep Republicans who are winning when the truth is, [00:14:00] is we don't want people like that in our community anymore.
Speaker 11: I'm leaving.
Speaker 10: Okay then, that was always allowed.
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-1: This is America. We don't outlaw something just because it's a sin. We don't want to live under your version of Sharia law.
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone): We are winning because we have ostracized people like that. And . If Democrats are gonna win. Ever. Again, Is, they need to ostracize their own people who are equally. , Exclusionary , when somebody goes online, Or at an event and says something like I promoted someone because they're black.
I promoted someone because they're a woman. They shouldn't feel comfortable. They shouldn't feel safe at that a bit. If somebody goes around as a non passing individual and is using women's restrooms,
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-2: And otherwise intimidating women just so that they can feel validated.
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone): they should be treated like somebody walking around with a swastika tattooed on their forehead. You need to treat this stuff for what [00:15:00] it is when somebody who obviously has the body of a man and it's competing in women's sports, they need to be treated like somebody with a swastika tattooed on their head. Because they are a symbol of oppression, hatred and bigotry.
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-3: They are utilizing a systemically unfair system that allows them to compete against individuals. They obviously shouldn't be competing against, to beat up on people who are weaker than themselves.
Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone): When somebody goes around and says something like,
Black people can't be racist. They need to be treated like somebody who just said the N word. Would be at a Trump rally. Which, which is very harshly. But the woke are just not willing to do that yet. And until they get to that point. They're going to keep losing.
Obviously, not this next primary and the primary after an election cycle, it always reverts.
I'm talking long term. And just to understand what you guys are going to be fighting. Long-term next election cycle. It's JD Vance. You're going to need to bring real big guns to beat him. This guy is cogent [00:16:00] young, intelligent, and appeals to half your audience.
Simone Collins: And I also think what was really interesting is the way he got the Amish on board.
So he emphasized a recent incident where straight authorities branded an Amish farmer as gay. selling milk without a permit, framing it as government overreach, which it was by the way. And Susie Weiss, friend of the show, one of my favorite human beings alive has written on this extensively. He stressed Trump stamps on religious liberty, which aligns with Amish values.
And he emphasized protection of agricultural practices, traditional lifestyles, and educational choice. All of those are things that we care about and Amish care about. culture because they have no kids could only survive by taking children from demographically healthy cultural groups. And they begun, they have begun to overreach into the Amish community and the Amish are like, do not touch my children.
And what was said to the Amish, and I actually believe this really strongly. And I, I, I love that the Amish got this message, which is if you're not voting, [00:17:00] Nobody's going to care about you. Politically speaking, they're not going to care about overreaching. They're not going to care about shutting down your farms.
And it got to them. No, let's talk about his background. Okay. So we're going to be Scott Pressler was born in 1988 and Jacksonville, Florida. He. He grew up in a military family as his father was a United Navy captain. He later earned degrees in criminal justice from George Mason university. His political career began in earnest in the 2016 election cycle.
Prior to this, he did a stint as a Republican party organizer of Virginia. His political activism took a significant turn became a volunteer and later an employee for Act for America, an anti Muslim advocacy group. Pressler gained prominence as the co coordinator of March Against Sharia. He came out in June, 2016. So right as he began organizing as a Republican, he also came out and that was what motivated him to organize the Republican and what motivated him to do this was actually the nightclub shooting in [00:18:00] Orlando, Florida, where a Muslim shot up a gay nightclub where he's like, the Republicans are the only people who are really willing to protect us.
He also. And I'll put a graph on screen here, but what I'll say is stop the steal, which he also helped made him a horrible person. Stop steal is evil. The Republicans clearly were not, you know, like the Democrats had nothing to do with any of this
pressler has focused on voter registration drives, particularly in swing States like Pennsylvania. And He now has 1. 5 million followers on Twitter. And he has been called things like a crazy conspiracy theorist. And it would, which of course all Republicans have, I mean, we have. And yeah, that's the story of this guy.
So what are your thoughts, Simone?
Malcolm Collins: He sounds like an incredible person and yeah, I think anyone also, it's, it's very easy for people who only read mainstream media to think that people who are on the ground seeing [00:19:00] real things happen are conspiracy theorists, but those are the people who are actually, I trust what he sees on the road so much more than I would trust what someone is reading in the media.
And the things that you see out door knocking, the things that you see out talking with people really can change like a lot. It, it is pretty crazy what's actually going on on the ground. So even the whole trash collection thing, just everything he's done just is so cool. Yeah, and that he never
Simone Collins: seemed to have any, he's born to a military family.
He never seems to have done anything for personal pride. It was always just like, here's a problem. Can somebody fix it?
Malcolm Collins: All American goodness. This is, this is that can do attitude that makes our country so awesome. And wow, I love what he represents. We had
Simone Collins: a reporter with us recently. And when I was 13, I started a biology camp for underprivileged kids.
Right. So I set it up in like a poor neighborhood and we did a biology camp because I knew that like rich [00:20:00] kids did that. And she's like, why did you do that? And I go, well, I liked biology. And she's like, why did you do that? And I was like, I don't, I answered that. I thought it was fun to study this subject.
I wanted to share what I liked with other people. And. So many people, they like something or they care about something and they're like, oh, but actually like starting something, come on, I'm not going to do that. And I think that that you're right. That is what makes America great. Oh, yeah. Baltimore is a f ing dumpster right now.
Maybe I should try to clean it up. Because no one else is gonna do it.
Malcolm Collins: Well, America was formed by people who didn't like what they had. So they came here, and they built something better. And that happened in, in over a series of, of decades and now centuries. And I think it's produced a really great country.
And the only way that we are going to stave off complete and terrible civilizational collapse is if we manage to maintain that spirit and don't lean into the [00:21:00] indolence that we're starting to grow.
Simone Collins: Well, and I think here also, another thing is, You know, the Republican movement is right now, I think the only real friend, the gay and the lesbian movements have and when I say the gay and the lesbian movements, I mean, the real gay and lesbian people, the lesbian people who are like I like the female form.
And so if you have like a penis and are like 6'2 and are on a lesbian dating app and look nothing like a woman, like that's a problem for me or One of the things that always got to me was the woman who was beaten at a gay bar for suggesting not to a trans individual, but to another lesbian woman that she wasn't interested in dating trans women and so to trans women beat her.
And on like Reddi. People were cheering this in the lesbian form people were cheering this and I think what it shows Is that well reddit's an overwhelmingly male site and what we were actually seeing here was trans women You know, who considered themselves [00:22:00] lesbians like some of the people in these posts who want to arm themselves and attack people That who?
Makes up the majority of these sorts of communities now and has excluded real women who prefer female bodies. And with gay men, like, why would you want to associate yourself with this obviously predatory group? And when you talk about obvious predators, you know, I was talking about recently. PDA files being part of what is causing a lot of young people to become trans.
And the reporter I was talking to was like, Oh, that can't possibly be the case. And I'm like, she's like, that sounds like a conspiracy. And I was like, okay, do you agree that some gay men are PDA files just in the same way? Some treatment are, I mean, look at the Catholic church, right? Like this is clearly a phenomenon.
And she's like, yes, I agree. Some gay men are PDA files. And I was like, well, with that being the case, Do you not agree that if you can convince somebody to start taking puberty blockers at the age of [00:23:00] 15, that when the age when they reach legally the age of consent that they are going to look a certain way and she had this moment of realization, which is like, oh, I was like, yeah and gay men.
are wholesome and like, like, and this is what somebody is like, like with Republican support non gay men and keep in mind that the Scott Pressler, he came out at the same time he joined the Republican movement. It's not like he was a Republican and then he came out. He did these two things at the same time and received so much support that he was like, yes, I want to continue to support these individuals.
And I think that this just goes so against progressive narratives, which just gaslight people into believing that the Republican movement is anti gay or anti lesbian, when in truce, it's the only real friend they have left. But do you have further thoughts, Simone, or? [00:24:00]
Malcolm Collins: No, I, I really agree with you, and I think it's Telling how much violence actually is coming from the progressive movement, both in threats and in action.
I'm not saying that conservatives don't also commit violent acts, but the assumption is that progressives never do. And I think they are doing so at an equal, if not higher level.
Simone Collins: Yeah. Well, and I think that the other thing I take away from this is just a level of like, just if you care about something in the world, go and do it.
And that's what earns our respect. It's not, you know, people are always calling us elitist. Right. And then they're surprised when they meet our friends and they have like face tattoos and like just got out of prison and they're like, what? Like, but I thought you were like elitist elitist. And I'm like, well, I'm elitist in that.
I believe that some people's lives matter and other people's lives don't. But whether your life ends up mattering or not is based on your own. Goals for the [00:25:00] future your willingness to work for those goals. It's not based on You know how much money you have or how many people are paying attention to you and I think the person who is like scott presler mattered more than any billionaire in this election cycle is one probably right Because he didn't just focus on the amish.
He also focused a lot on hunters He also focused a lot on like various other categories that he knew would likely vote republican basically just
Malcolm Collins: low propensity You People in Pennsylvania, like he swings.
Simone Collins: Well, it's not just that you see lots of things with him preaching on the street when he's doing street cleanups.
When I say preaching, I mean, preaching the Republican message where he's like, Democrats just don't care anymore. Like they're putting us in jail. When Nancy Pelosi is like earning hundreds of thousands of year, like it is a party that is holistically in support of the oligarchs.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Well, and again, it's, it's understated just how much any person can do.
And I think a lot of people look at, we point [00:26:00] to Elon Musk as an example of someone who sees a problem and fixes it. And it's very easy for someone to say, well, yeah, if I were a billionaire, I would just fix problems too. Here is a guy who is not a billionaire, who made a very, very, very significant difference in the trajectory of.
And keep in mind, like Elon Musk had a lot of efforts in Pennsylvania, so did this guy. And he made a huge difference without giving away, you know, millions of dollars without making big efforts like that, without giving big rallies that could draw out, you know, tons of people. And I really think that.
If you don't make the change that you want to see in the world, it's on you. Like you don't get to have nice things. If you don't fight for those nice things. And this, I think ties in a lot with how there's this complete misunderstanding where people now are like, the American dream is dead. There it's no more.
possible because they somehow think the American dream is, Oh, I'm entitled to a house and a car and all these other luxuries [00:27:00] in life without basically working for them. Whereas the American dream has always been about merely having the option to Do that if you're lucky, it was never guaranteed. If you work hard, it was never even guaranteed.
If, if you don't work, it was just like, this is a place where it's possible. And people were coming from many places where it simply wasn't. And there are still many places in the world where the American dream is impossible. The American dream remains alive and well, and people like this guy represent.
that, which is cool.
Simone Collins: Well, and I, you know what, we should take this moment to be like, this guy is not unique. There are other individuals like him that are out there flipping districts to actually make America a better place. So can we stand Joe Rittenhouse for a while? Because he flipped Monaco for Trump.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah, well, there, yeah. So Joe Rittenhouse is. He was the local Trump operative in our County in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, a [00:28:00] key swing district in the key swing state. And yeah, no, no one in the news is talking about him. But he is a local dude, a parent, a husband, and someone beloved in our community who just really
Simone Collins: hard use data driven methods.
The local Republican, like the GOP, the RNC did nothing. Nothing to help him, completely abandoned his part of the campaign. And when he's talking to us, he's like, look, I need to build all of this from scratch because everything that's here right now is corrupt and it's in service of this dead ROC that doesn't actually care about getting Trump elected.
And I need to build this up from scratch and he did, he moved the needle so much. So you can say, okay, like this got, you know, Scott got Trump elected, but Joe Rittenhouse did as well. Yeah. If Joe Rittenhouse wasn't here, if, if [00:29:00] Monaco hadn't moved for Trump, which it did, by the way. Maybe if you weren't here, I mean, you were constantly working in the selection cycle.
People are like, oh, Simone, you didn't win. And it's like, yeah, but she did better than last time. Well,
Malcolm Collins: and all of my get out the vote efforts were just Republican get out the vote efforts. I didn't use my name. I didn't promote myself. And I, I mean, broadly, I just wanted to test out the efficacy that I had on Republican voter turnout and especially low propensity voter Republican turnout.
But yeah, I mean, they're also, again, like there, there are so many people who go unnamed. Another person that I really respect in this election cycle who worked in our area is Fletcher Carper who is. Has been kind of like, Scott, someone who for many, many elections has just been out there on the ground.
I mean, when I was, when I had my first longer conversation with him, he talked about how, you know, he's been driving at night in snow storms while door knocking and then wrecked his car, you know, because it's just so dangerous, but he was out there door knocking anyways. We do anything it [00:30:00] takes to just try to get out the vote.
He was insanely efficient. He helped me with petition collection before he started doing general door knocking for the Republican for Republican voter turnout in Pennsylvania. And I could not believe how many signatures he got in a short period of time. Somehow he just like. Managed to close people.
And, I mean you know as a, as a, as a male knocking on people's doors. It is not People
Simone Collins: yelling at you. People hate you, you know.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So, I just, yeah. So, people like Doug Whitman House, people like Fletcher Carper, people like Scott, I'm just, I'm just I'm so glad they exist. We're so lucky that they exist.
And I, you know, I hope that, for example, Joe Rittenhouse gets a place in Trump's administration. They would be so dumb to pass up an opportunity. And now we need to have this people
Simone Collins: like scene from Starship Troopers. Where it's like, people like X, you know, get But it's so true. I, I, I really, [00:31:00] I think that going forwards, what's going to determine if we save this country, it's the people who are staffing Trump's administration.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah. No, yeah. Now that the wind is complete, the key element is follow through and the initial momentum.
Simone Collins: Do not trust the deep state. They don't care about you. They don't like you. They don't want you to succeed.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah.
Simone Collins: When I say deep state, that means deep state Republicans. Well, if they work for a think tank, do not trust them unless you verify.
Malcolm Collins: No, there are a lot of really great people who work for think tanks. And I mean, think tanks exist because there is so much deep state now. I mean, there's only so much deep state that you can eliminate. So you have to figure out even if you're going through the process of dismantling it, you have to have people who know how to dismantle it.
And people within think tanks are the only ones who know that. So there are
Simone Collins: things like heritage foundation. I'd love to connect heritage foundation with the [00:32:00] department of efficiency. And I know that the heritage foundation did some naughty things. I don't agree with everything they did there, but their lawyers, project
Malcolm Collins: 20, 25 was also.
pretty misrepresented in many ways.
Simone Collins: Yeah, but they are the only people with the lawyer team that's needed to protect competent individuals firing people. It is very hard to fire people within the national government and project 2025. Has what we need to handle those firings.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah. I think going forward, it's about getting the right mix of DC insiders who know how to dismantle the machine and then like, get it done operators who are really good at getting things executed.
And if you combine those two groups with sort of the dismantling experts and then the redesign experts, you could see immensely positive change just in terms of eliminating entirely redundant and unnecessary bureaucratic bloat. That is eating up tax dollars. This is a non [00:33:00] partisan issue. This is just about getting things to run.
Well, and more efficiently.
Simone Collins: No, I, I completely agree with you and I really hope, you know, actually like, okay, here's what I love and we might do another episode on this is if you personally know an individual where you have some information on them that has done a lot to make this country a better place and isn't getting a proper shout out I want to do those shutouts.
I want people like Rittenhouse and Fletcher to have the air that they need because it's not, I mean, look, Scott caught the tailwinds, right? And he did a lot and I appreciate that, but I don't think he's the only person like him out there right now. There's a lot think he'd be the first
Malcolm Collins: person to say that.
You know, the media has caught on his story because it's a great story and he did make a very material and real difference, but you're absolutely right, he's not alone in this. This is a team effort
Simone Collins: and we need to be, [00:34:00] and I think everyone like locally Republican, they know the guy who's like, Oh my God, this guy was like way above and beyond of what anyone would expect.
And you know, what's funny, everyone thinks that these individuals are like crazy religious cultists. They never are. You know who they are almost always. They are young, new right men. That's who's carrying this election. Every single one of these guys is like a tech forward, like fairly, like on like gay rights, for example, they're like f*****g whatever, like, let's just stop molesting children and all this weird transportation.
They're, they're, they're, they are sane humans. It is no longer the base, the, the foot soldiers of the Republican. Party is no longer you know, extremist prayer. Peacehood. Peter Priesthood types. It is now your average, sane, like, base camp watcher. [00:35:00] That's who's carrying the elections for our party now.
Malcolm Collins: It makes me feel good about the future of the United States.
Simone Collins: It, yeah, it makes me feel good as well. And it does better at telling those individuals, and this is very different than the average person who's carrying it for the Democrats. These people actually are woke extremists.
And I think that When we, when we accept this, when we accept how extreme the Democrats have gone, how extreme the people leading their party have gone and how non extreme and mainstream and accepting the Republican party is now, I think that we have a possibility of entering an era of one party leadership in a way that could be good.
Malcolm Collins: What would be the coolest is if essentially the Republican Party becomes one party of leadership because the Republican Party now basically is both the old, like sort of conservative [00:36:00] values, lifestyle party, and also this super socially progressive, like libertarian party. So I feel like what we're seeing is the new right could eventually just become.
Everything, and then split into, into factions, which then compete, and I'm all for that competition. I want there to be variety. But this does seem like, because it is so pluralistic and multifaceted, I could see the new rites splitting into new factions eventually, but I'm okay with that, and it does represent a lot of good things.
And I like the competition of tradition versus accelerationism. I like the competition of, sorry about the noises, but yeah, I
Simone Collins: know what I also like, you know, with Scott being like, Oh, Muslims want me dead. Like I, I love how much of the like LGBT movement like pretends not to notice that Muslims want them dead.
Not all muslims, mind you, but definitely a portion of them. [00:37:00] And sharia law is not something that they should work To be fair, Malcolm,
Malcolm Collins: they want themselves dead too. They're, they're sterilizing themselves. They're threatening to end themselves. They're, you know, they're, they're the anti nati They're the anti human party.
They kind of want all humans dead. So if it's so hypocritical that they also want, you know, gay humans dead, no, because they want all future humans dead. They want to make themselves dead. They want to make everyone, everyone gone, undue,
Simone Collins: bad human. Well, I love you to death Simone. This conversation has been illuminating and I hope you had fun learning about the gay Republican who won this election for Trump.
Malcolm Collins: I did. And I love you.
Simone Collins: I love you too. And,
Malcolm Collins: I'm making for you for dinner, fried rice plus the Chicken leftovers? I
Simone Collins: would even make fried rice. You've got a lot in the fridge that needs to know that I
Malcolm Collins: left over fried rice and I'm having leftover manicotti. Does that [00:38:00] sound good? You're so
Simone Collins: perfect.
Malcolm Collins: Waste not, want not.
And Val, that was nice of her to like draw by manicotti. Hey, we live in the type of neighborhood
Simone Collins: where people drop off food for us. Maybe you should drop off more eggs for the neighborhood. Just become the egg of her. Well,
Malcolm Collins: she's getting more eggs for that. For sure. I need to leave a, remind me, we need to leave a basket for her.
But yeah,
Simone Collins: I love you a great deal.
Malcolm Collins: I told you about the college student that. I saw at the polls on Tuesday. No. Tell
Simone Collins: me about this college student.
Malcolm Collins: It was like Republicans are the conservative ones, right? Like that's a conservative party. . Yes.
Simone Collins: Is the right am I on the right side?
Malcolm Collins: Yeah. This is supposed to, we were on the wrong side the last time.
They will be mad, but
Simone Collins: I'm sorry. I, this is what we get for having an autistic audience. I love that. He's like, are Republicans the conservative ones? Yeah, they, what you should have said is, no, not really.
Malcolm Collins: Well, no, [00:39:00] but he wanted to vote conservative, but I mean, yeah, not really. He was
Simone Collins: at college, the college.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah. He was a college kid and somehow he made it through this entire election cycle, not knowing which political party was the conservative one, which is impressive. And I kind of want to live in his world because wherever that is, it's different.
Speaker 8: It's too late.
Speaker 9: Is it too late? Is it gonna work?
Speaker 8: Oh nO.
Speaker 9: They're not falling? Oh, but the car is moving, you guys. The
Speaker 8: car is moving.
Speaker 9: He's doing it! Yeah, he's
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Speaker 9: Now, this is why we don't wander off into the woods, right, Toasty?
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Because there's animals out there.
Octavian, this is why you can't wander off, right?
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