How do you prove something you can't see or measure? An atheist and a Christian both get questioned about what they believe and go on a quest to find out if there really is proof for the existence of God. Hear Francis Collins’ full interview: https://biologos.org/podcast-episodes/finding-a-new-story Nathan’s book: https://www.amazon.com/God-Proof-Search-Ancients-Internet/dp/0520287460