In this episode, Bob Ruff interviews Bob Motta, criminal defense attorney and host of “Defense Diaries.” Season one of his podcast features never-before-heard audio from the pre-trial meetings between notorious serial killer John Wayne Gacy and his defense attorney, who also happens to be Bob’s father. The Bobs talk trial tactics and life as a criminal defense attorney before diving into the details of the killer clown and the horrible crimes he committed.

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