Most FBI agents don't live a life undercover with criminal motorcycle clubs or extremist groups or ever play the part of a hitman or commit to roles involving public corruption, or be an active member of a regional SWAT team, but FBI Agent Scott Payne has done ALL of the above as well as assignments that are still classified.

The guy is a natural story teller!

We also talk about his new book, CODENAME: PALE HORSE, his willingness to teach his techniques, his love of SWAT and ensuring the next generation of hard chargers get the best training possible.

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