We examine the 4th Tradition, Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or NA as a whole. What does the Fourth Tradition actually tell us? When does Tradition Four say we have crossed the line into what affects other groups or NA as a whole? Is there any clear lines drawn in the sand about what groups can and cannot do? We further explore the idea that some consider virtual meetings to not be actual groups because they do not have a meeting place. Is the internet a place? In the end, we come to an understanding that Tradition 4 is less about setting the rules for what groups can and can't do, but more about while groups are practicing their autonomy to self-govern, it's imperative that they remember the second part of the tradition, to maintain the focus of practicing principles to not make anyone else's life worse. This tradition is all about part two, to keep in mind how our actions can possibly harm others. Join the conversation by leaving a message, emailing us at [email protected],  or find us on Twitter, Facebook or Instagram, or find us on our website at www.recoverysortof.com.