Joining Saul and Patrick in the historic centre of Lviv in Western Ukraine, are two old friends of the podcast - Joe Lindsley and Askold Krushelnycky. In our first podcast recorded on the ground in Ukraine, Saul and Patrick discuss their first impressions, the reaction of locals to air raid siren's sounded over Lviv, and the need for more air-defence systems for Ukraine.

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