Saul and Patrick are back from Ukraine, a trip which has deeply advanced their understanding of what’s going on, at every level, which is something they've needed this week as the situation is pretty hard to read. They asses the latest progression of the Ukrainian counter-offensive, some intriguing stories of further dissension between elements of the Russian forces, as well as some hugely significant moves by President Zelensky to clean up corruption inside the Ukrainian military.

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