Is it really the most wonderful time of year? Today, stories about people wrestling with the gap between what Christmas promises and what it actually delivers.

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Credits

Thank you to our interviewee Joshua Pease. Connect with Josh at The Porch Church.

And a very special thank you to Joe Wangrein for allowing us to use Walter Wangerin Jr’s story. It was adapted from the story 'The Manger Is Empty' from the book The Manger Is Empty: Stories in Time by Walter Wangerin, Jr. Walter Wangerin was the author of over 40 books including The Book of the Dun Cow and Miz Lil and the Chronicles of Grace.

Also special thank you to the following Patreon supporters: Mical Bovee, Javan and Ally Kalmar, Robin Madson. Your support keeps this podcast and the work of the ministry going.

Senior producer and host is Jesse Eubanks.

Anna Tran is our producer and audio editor.

Music for this episode comes from Blue Dot Sessions & Murphy D.X.