In this week's big interview, Saul speaks to friend of the podcast Colonel Pavlo Khazan, for the first time in person from his base in an undisclosed location in Kyiv. They discuss what activities him and his soldiers have been involved in recently and also the significance of their experience and knowledge in drone warfare. Patrick and Saul also discuss their first impressions of Kyiv after their first full day in the Ukrainian capital.

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Producer: James Hodgson

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