In this episode of the Sort podcast, host Dr. Brett Kaysen interviews Nathaniel Gaul (Iowa State University) and Joscelyn Layman (Michigan State University), both participants in the Top Judge program—a transitional initiative helping senior collegiate livestock judges move into professional roles. Nathaniel shares his journey from a northeast Iowa farm to securing a grain merchandising career, while Joscelyn discusses her path toward veterinary school. Both reflect on memorable contest experiences at Louisville and San Antonio, the value of mentorship, and lessons learned through livestock judging. They offer thoughtful advice to aspiring judges about integrity, relationships, and embracing the journey beyond competition.