After a little hiatus (and 100,000+ listens—thank you!) Shelley and Kat are back. Inspired by an episode of The Canine Paradigm, they explore “vibe”: how our energy, presence and intention shape every interaction with a horse—and with people. From the “volume knob” of our presence (too big vs too small) to practical ways to lift or soften energy, they dig into awareness, rope skills, and why the skill is in returning after you drift. They talk pivoting when you’re on the wrong train, embracing the awkward stage of learning, and why “meditation in motion” (hello, groundwork) counts. Plus: book chats—Why Zebras Don’t Get Ulcers, Born a Crime, Man’s Search for Meaning, and Tiny Beautiful Things.

It’s honest, pragmatic, a bit cheeky, and very Canter Therapy.