You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist

95. Transing the Gay Away? Cults, Actual Conversion Therapy, & Dissociation: part 1 with Layton


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Today I’m excited to bring you part 1 of a fascinating conversation with Layton, a detransitioner who shares her journey of leaving a religious cult and the subsequent challenges she faced. We delve into her experiences with actual gay conversion therapy, where she was told that her homosexuality was a form of cannibalism and a result of trauma. Layton opens up about the psychological manipulation and shame she endured during this time, and how it laid the groundwork for dissociation and vulnerability to further exploitation.


We also explore the aftermath of leaving the cult and the difficulties Layton faced as she tried to navigate the outside world. She shares her struggles with trust, identity, and finding a sense of safety. We discuss the impact of her traumatic experiences on her mental health and how an earnest search for psychological help led her to end up pushed down the trans rabbit hole by an unscrupulous therapist who Layton has now filed a lawsuit against.


This is part 1 of a two-part conversation; be on the lookout for part 2 next week!


Layton is an Anthroposophical artist, Somatic practitioner, YouTuber, and detransitioner. Having left a religious cult, and then the social cult that is Gender Ideology, she is passionate about educating others about mental health, healing and spirituality in a way that heavily emphasizes self-trust and personal autonomy. While she doesn't consider herself to be an activist, she is vocal in regards to the medicalisation of children and vulnerable adults under the guise of "Gender Affirming Care.”

Visit her website at PsychicSomatic.com

X: @origina1ange1

Psychic Somatic YouTube Channel



00:00 Start

[00:02:21] Gender-affirming care and malpractice.

[00:06:08] Conversion therapy experiences.

[00:10:46] Gay conversion therapy experience.

[00:13:40] Trauma and Homosexuality.

[00:19:08] Harmful treatment of lesbian identity.

[00:22:42] Bizarre restrictions on personal relationships.

[00:27:07-00:27:17] Learning about heterosexual relationships.

[00:30:31] Affiliated cults and experiences.

[00:36:45] Religious abuse and hypnosis.

[00:39:18] Traumatic experiences in cult.

[00:43:31] Forming a secret connection.

[00:48:52] Leaving a high control environment.

[00:52:02] Leaving one abusive relationship.

[00:57:51] Feeling like a trans woman.

[00:59:20] Dissociation and therapist's diagnosis.

[01:06:09] Therapist's grandiosity and ego.

[01:08:42] Dissociation and gender identity.

[01:11:57] Podcast promotion and engagement.


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