In our first interview, Brandon, a white man, sits down with Dr. Alex Gee, his black cousin, to discuss family, race, trauma, and what “woke” actually means. Because they have both been pastors (in Alex’s case, still is a pastor), their conversation culminates in a discussion of good/bad theology and the reality that “white theology” often eschews the black experience/blackness, forsaking the very lifeblood that would animate its health and vigor. Along the way, Alex invites all of us—especially white folk—out of guilt and into the power of owning our expertise and our own experience.