Drew & Garden System, a couple both living with dissociative identity disorder, share personal, intimate stories about their relationship including the many benefits and the unique challenges that arise when two multiples are in a relationship with each other. They also cover important tools, such as system mapping, emotional regulation & co-regulation, to help improve awareness of self beliefs that can get in the way of establishing a healthy, secure attachment.

If you enjoy this episode please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. We would love to hear what you enjoyed the most. You can visit our website at: acoupleofmultiples.com for additional information, including how to join our new online, paid community called Hearts Multiplied, to book a consultation session, to access additional resources, and to also subscribe to our mailing list to receive future updates. Remember, every system is unique and your experiences may be different from ours. And that’s okay! You matter and are loved for being all of yous.

You can sign up for a four hour System Mapping workshop here:  https://calendly.com/mindfulmultiplicity/system-mapping-workshop, presented to you by A Couple of Multiples!

Our amazing sponsors for Season 3:
The Institute for Creative Mindfulness, one of the largest EMDR Therapy training programs in North America is directed by Dr. Jamie+ Marich, the only EMDR therapy trainer who is “out” as a plural and offers the full EMDR Therapy basic training in a way that honors lived experience and destigmatizes dissociation in clinical work. We felt so validated when we were able to authentically participate in this training as Garden System! Go to www.instituteforcreativemindfulness.com for a full list of upcoming trainings, both online and in-person, offered by Dr. Jamie and her selected network of EMDR trainers.

Dr. Wendy Aporta, with Bearings Therapy, is a marriage and family therapist specializing in military and first responder individuals, families, and couples.  She is proficient with clients experiencing PTSD, CPTSD, and dissociative disorders. For her, helping those with traumatic experiences is not just a job, it is a vocation. She is experienced in multiple modalities, and utilizes whatever is best for her client's needs. She stays abreast of the latest research and treatments to provide the best possible outcomes for her clients. Call Bearings Therapy today: 214-892-2158

As a certified Internal Family Systems licensed therapist, Tiffany Morgan, owner of Holistic Self-Healing Psychotherapy, specializes in working with dissociative identities through IFS and sculpting. Known affectionately as 'Ocean,' she brings lived experience with dissociative identities and anorexia. Offering consulting, psychotherapy, training, and authoring a book on personal and professional experiences in these areas. Visit www.tiffanycobbmorgan.com  or call (520) 582-9313 for more information.

Alix Amar, LCSW offers Creative Art classes and series including the Creative Journal, Soul Collage and Altered Books, all on the Zoom Platform exclusively for people living with dissociation.  The 8-week winter series of the Creative Journal begins at the end of November.  For more information check out her website at alixamar.com or her Facebook page "Dissociative Creative Explorations."

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Drew & Garden System, a married couple who both have Dissociative Identity Disorder, welcome listeners to Season 3 which focuses on relationships and DID. Many people with Dissociative Identity Disorder were unable to form a secure attachment to a caregiver when they were a child, often due to trauma, neglect or abuse. Drew & Garden System, share personal examples of attachment wounds, and the four different attachment styles: secure, anxious, avoidant and disorganized. They also talk about how these attachment styles have personally affected their relationship with each other. They share how one can change and heal an insecure attachment, and give personal examples of how their therapists helped them heal and form a secure attachment, with a sense of stability and security.

If you enjoy this episode please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. We would love to hear what you enjoyed the most. You can visit our website at: acoupleofmultiples.com for additional information, including how to join our new online, paid community called Hearts Multiplied, to book a consultation session, to access additional resources, and to also subscribe to our mailing list to receive future updates. Remember, every system is unique and your experiences may be different from ours. And that’s okay! You matter and are loved for being all of yous. 

Our amazing sponsors for Season 3:
The Institute for Creative Mindfulness, one of the largest EMDR Therapy training programs in North America is directed by Dr. Jamie+ Marich, the only EMDR therapy trainer who is “out” as a plural and offers the full EMDR Therapy basic training in a way that honors lived experience and destigmatizes dissociation in clinical work. We felt so validated when we were able to authentically participate in this training as Garden System! Go to www.instituteforcreativemindfulness.com for a full list of upcoming trainings, both online and in-person, offered by Dr. Jamie and her selected network of EMDR trainers.

Dr. Wendy Aporta, with Bearings Therapy, is a marriage and family therapist specializing in military and first responder individuals, families, and couples.  She is proficient with clients experiencing PTSD, CPTSD, and dissociative disorders. For her, helping those with traumatic experiences is not just a job, it is a vocation. She is experienced in multiple modalities, and utilizes whatever is best for her client's needs. She stays abreast of the latest research and treatments to provide the best possible outcomes for her clients. Call Bearings Therapy today: 214-892-2158

As a certified Internal Family Systems licensed therapist, Tiffany Morgan, owner of Holistic Self-Healing Psychotherapy, specializes in working with dissociative identities through IFS and sculpting. Known affectionately as 'Ocean,' she brings lived experience with dissociative identities and anorexia. Offering consulting, psychotherapy, training, and authoring a book on personal and professional experiences in these areas. Visit www.tiffanycobbmorgan.com  or call (520) 582-9313 for more information.

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In this season 2 finale, Drew & Garden System share personal stories of experiencing shame, denial of being a multiple, and coming to acceptance of having dissociative identity disorder.

Please visit https://acoupleofmultiples.com to sign up for our mailing list where you can learn more about our online community called Hearts Multiplied, for those living with a dissociative disorder, their supporters, and mental health professionals.

We are honored to have a gold plus sponsor for season 2! The Institute for Creative Mindfulness is one of the largest EMDR Therapy training programs in North America, founded and directed by Dr. Jamie+ Marich, author of Dissociation Made Simple. Dr. Jamie is the only EMDR therapy trainer who is "out" as a plural, and since 2015 she's offered the full EMDR Therapy basic training in a way that honors lived experience and destigmatizes dissociation in clinical work. We have never felt more accepted and validated as a multiple than when we were able to show up authentically as Garden System for our basic EMDR training. Having lived experience is valued and respected in these training courses. Go to www.instituteforcreativemindfulness.com for a full list of upcoming trainings, both online and in-person, offered by Dr. Jamie and her selected network of EMDR trainers.

Thank you to our bronze sponsor, Alix Amar LCSW, who offers weekly Creative Art classes including the Creative Journal, Soul Collage and Altered Books, all on the Zoom Platform exclusively for people living with dissociation. For more information check out her website at alixamar.com or her Facebook page "Dissociative Creative Explorations".

Are you interested in becoming a sponsor? Please send an email to [email protected] to request more information.

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Drew & Garden System share personal stories of how they brought all of their selves together to aid in the ability to switch on purpose and access all of the strengths and skills that each self holds. They talk about co-consciousness and ways that they practiced this skill amongst their selves.

Please visit https://acoupleofmultiples.com to sign up for our mailing list where you can learn more about our online community called Hearts Multiplied, for those living with a dissociative disorder, their supporters, and mental health professionals.

We are honored to have a gold plus sponsor for season 2! The Institute for Creative Mindfulness is one of the largest EMDR Therapy training programs in North America, founded and directed by Dr. Jamie+ Marich, author of Dissociation Made Simple. Dr. Jamie is the only EMDR therapy trainer who is "out" as a plural, and since 2015 she's offered the full EMDR Therapy basic training in a way that honors lived experience and destigmatizes dissociation in clinical work. We have never felt more accepted and validated as a multiple than when we were able to show up authentically as Garden System for our basic EMDR training. Having lived experience is valued and respected in these training courses. Go to www.instituteforcreativemindfulness.com for a full list of upcoming trainings, both online and in-person, offered by Dr. Jamie and her selected network of EMDR trainers.

Thank you to our bronze sponsor, Alix Amar LCSW, who offers weekly Creative Art classes including the Creative Journal, Soul Collage and Altered Books, all on the Zoom Platform exclusively for people living with dissociation. For more information check out her website at alixamar.com or her Facebook page "Dissociative Creative Explorations".

Are you interested in becoming a sponsor? Please send an email to [email protected] to request more information.

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Drew & Garden System share personal stories of how they resolved internal conflicts, using a concept called trust by proxy, how they determined what was best for the whole system, how to identify and use the strengths of each self within the system, and some of the ways to keep up with all the daily little things when you live with Dissociative Identity Disorder.

Please visit https://acoupleofmultiples.com to sign up for our mailing list where you can learn more about our online community called Hearts Multiplied, for those living with a dissociative disorder, their supporters, and mental health professionals.

We are honored to have a gold plus sponsor for season 2! The Institute for Creative Mindfulness is one of the largest EMDR Therapy training programs in North America, founded and directed by Dr. Jamie+ Marich, author of Dissociation Made Simple. Dr. Jamie is the only EMDR therapy trainer who is "out" as a plural, and since 2015 she's offered the full EMDR Therapy basic training in a way that honors lived experience and destigmatizes dissociation in clinical work. We have never felt more accepted and validated as a multiple than when we were able to show up authentically as Garden System for our basic EMDR training. Having lived experience is valued and respected in these training courses. Go to www.instituteforcreativemindfulness.com for a full list of upcoming trainings, both online and in-person, offered by Dr. Jamie and her selected network of EMDR trainers.

Thank you to our bronze sponsor, Alix Amar LCSW, who offers weekly Creative Art classes including the Creative Journal, Soul Collage and Altered Books, all on the Zoom Platform exclusively for people living with dissociation. For more information check out her website at alixamar.com or her Facebook page "Dissociative Creative Explorations".

Are you interested in becoming a sponsor? Please send an email to [email protected] to request more information.

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Drew & Garden System have an important conversation with Dr. Jamie+ Marich about her upcoming memoir, You Lied to Me About God. You can pre-order a copy now anywhere books are sold! They discuss the impact of religious trauma and spiritual abuse and how it can contribute to dissociation. They each share personal stories about their journeys of coming out as people with dissociative systems and being part of the LGBTQIA+ community. Also discussed is the impact of purity culture and sexual abuse. Please take care of your selves while listening!

Dr. Jamie Marich (she/they/we) is the author of the popular Dissociation Made Simple: A Stigma-Free Guide to Embracing Your Dissociative Mind and Navigating Life (2023), now available as both a book and a clinical flipchart. She is the author of over 10 other books and manuals in the field of trauma, addiction recovery, and the expressive arts. They are an EMDR Therapy trainer and founder of The Institute for Creative Mindfulness, one of the largest training organizations in North America that works to create an inclusive space for plural trainees and others with dissociative responses. In 2019, the EMDR International Association awarded Jamie with their Advocacy Award for her work in destigmatizing dissociative disorders and other mental health concerns. Personally, Jamie+ is known as the Unicorn System and is a long-time presenter at Healing Together. In October of 2024, her first full memoir comes out called You Lied to Me About God, focusing on her experiences with spiritual abuse and religious trauma. They are based in Akron, Ohio on Erie Nation Land.

Please visit https://acoupleofmultiples.com to sign up for our mailing list where you can learn more about our online community, Hearts Multiplied, for those living with a dissociative disorder, their supporters, and mental health professionals.

We are honored to have a gold plus sponsor for season 2! The Institute for Creative Mindfulness is one of the largest EMDR Therapy training programs in North America, founded and directed by Dr. Jamie+ Marich, author of Dissociation Made Simple. Dr. Jamie is the only EMDR therapy trainer who is "out" as a plural, and since 2015 she's offered the full EMDR Therapy basic training in a way that honors lived experience and destigmatizes dissociation in clinical work. We have never felt more accepted and validated as a multiple than when we were able to show up authentically as Garden System for our basic EMDR training. Having lived experience is valued and respected in these training courses. Go to www.instituteforcreativemindfulness.com for a full list of upcoming trainings, both online and in-person, offered by Dr. Jamie and her selected network of EMDR trainers.

Are you interested in becoming a sponsor? Please send an email to [email protected] to request more information.

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Drew & Garden System, a couple living with Dissociative Identity Disorder, share personal stories of how they helped all of their selves develop trust and compassion for each other. Building bonds between all selves helps bring about internal cooperation and internal peace. They also dive into more detail about their fictive selves and how those developed within their systems. This includes the formation of roles that the selves took on to ensure safety and functionality, and how those roles evolved over time, such as system leadership. NOTE: They also have carefully and mindfully included specific personal examples of how this might look for someone that has experienced mind control and/or ritual abuse towards the end of the episode.

Please visit https://acoupleofmultiples.com to sign up for our mailing list where you can learn more about our online community for those living with a dissociative disorder, their supporters, and mental health professionals.

We are honored to have a gold plus sponsor for season 2! The Institute for Creative Mindfulness is one of the largest EMDR Therapy training programs in North America, founded and directed by Dr. Jamie+ Marich, author of Dissociation Made Simple. Dr. Jamie is the only EMDR therapy trainer who is "out" as a plural, and since 2015 she's offered the full EMDR Therapy basic training in a way that honors lived experience and destigmatizes dissociation in clinical work. We have never felt more accepted and validated as a multiple than when we were able to show up authentically as Garden System for our basic EMDR training. Having lived experience is valued and respected in these training courses. Go to www.instituteforcreativemindfulness.com for a full list of upcoming trainings, both online and in-person, offered by Dr. Jamie and her selected network of EMDR trainers.

Thank you to our bronze sponsor, Alix Amar LCSW, who offers weekly Creative Art classes including the Creative Journal, Soul Collage and Altered Books, all on the Zoom Platform exclusively for people living with dissociation. For more information check out her website at alixamar.com or her Facebook page "Dissociative Creative Explorations".

Are you interested in becoming a sponsor? Please send an email to [email protected] to request more information.

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Drew & Garden System get real with Annie Goldsmith, sharing personal stories and uncovering the root causes of eating disorder behaviors and how they might show up in those living with dissociative identity disorder.

Annie Goldsmith, RD, LDN holds an undergraduate degree from the University of Rochester in Brain and Cognitive Sciences and attended Winthrop University for her graduate coursework in human nutrition. Her educational and professional trajectory has always been guided by a strong curiosity about the ways our biology and psychology interact to inform our human experience. Annie worked in neuroscience research labs at New York University and Davidson College before pursuing a career in nutrition. She has experience treating eating disorders at the PHP, IOP, and outpatient levels of care. She opened her outpatient group practice, Second Breakfast Nutrition, in 2015.

Annie’s practice is rooted in a foundational belief in the inherent worthiness of all bodies. She centers weight inclusive, social justice oriented, and trauma informed frameworks in her approach to eating disorder care and recovery. Annie became interested in somatically and polyvagal-informed approaches to nutrition therapy in 2018 when she began training with the Embodied Recovery Institute, where she now provides training as part of the faculty. Annie has presented on the intersection of eating disorders and dissociation at the ISSTD World Conference, as well as the Healing Together conference. Annie is passionate about working with clients from a “bottom up” approach, centering and supporting the wisdom of the body and its innate capacity for healing.

You can visit Annie's website here at Second Breakfast Nutrition.

Please visit https://acoupleofmultiples.com to sign up for our mailing list where you can learn more about our online community for those living with a dissociative disorder, their supporters, and mental health professionals.

We are honored to have a gold plus sponsor for season 2! The Institute for Creative Mindfulness is one of the largest EMDR Therapy training programs in North America, founded and directed by Dr. Jamie+ Marich, author of Dissociation Made Simple. Dr. Jamie is the only EMDR therapy trainer who is "out" as a plural, and since 2015 she's offered the full EMDR Therapy basic training in a way that honors lived experience and destigmatizes dissociation in clinical work. We have never felt more accepted and validated as a multiple than when we were able to show up authentically as Garden System for our basic EMDR training. Having lived experience is valued and respected in these training courses. Go to www.instituteforcreativemindfulness.com for a full list of upcoming trainings, both online and in-person, offered by Dr. Jamie and her selected network of EMDR trainers.

Thank you to our bronze sponsor, Alix Amar LCSW, who offers weekly Creative Art classes including the Creative Journal, Soul Collage and Altered Books, all on the Zoom Platform exclusively for people living with dissociation. For more information check out her website at alixamar.com or her Facebook page "Dissociative Creative Explorations".

Are you interested in becoming a sponsor? Please send an email to [email protected] to request more information.

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Drew & Garden System have a lively discussion with Ocean about the use of Internal Family Systems, particularly with Dissociative Identity Disorder. Come learn all about the special considerations clinicians need to keep in mind and implement when they choose to use IFS as an intervention with their DID clients.

Ocean is a highly educated and Certified Internal Family Systems (IFS) licensed therapist, having completed all three levels of IFS training. With over thirty years of experience in the mental health field, she began her career in a psychiatric trauma and inpatient unit. Ocean specializes in working with individuals who have Complex Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (C-PTSD), Dissociative Disorders (DD), and eating disorders.

As a program assistant in IFS Level One training, she has presented on using IFS with individuals with dissociative disorders during break-out sessions. Her diverse academic background includes degrees in Educational Leadership and Clinical Teaching in Special Education, which, combined with her compassion, enable her to share valuable experience and knowledge with other therapists in the field of treating Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) clients using the IFS model. Ocean firmly believes in the IFS principle that all parts are welcome.

Her integrative approach blends mind-body techniques and meditation with IFS, inspiring her journey to become a yoga teacher. She strives to foster a deeper connection with parts work while incorporating holistic practices within IFS. Currently, she is furthering her studies in Ayurveda. 

In her spare time, Ocean enjoys connecting with nature, swimming, living the van life, spending quality time with her human and furry family members, and meditating by the ocean.

Please visit https://acoupleofmultiples.com to sign up for our mailing list where you can learn more about our online community for those living with a dissociative disorder, their supporters, and mental health professionals.

We are honored to have a gold plus sponsor for season 2! The Institute for Creative Mindfulness is one of the largest EMDR Therapy training programs in North America, founded and directed by Dr. Jamie+ Marich, author of Dissociation Made Simple. Dr. Jamie is the only EMDR therapy trainer who is "out" as a plural, and since 20 15 she's offered the full EMDR Therapy basic training in a way that honors lived experience and destigmatizes dissociation in clinical work. We have never felt more accepted and validated as a multiple than when we were able to show up authentically as Garden System for our basic EMDR training. Having lived experience is valued and respected in these training courses. Go to www.instituteforcreativemindfulness.com for a full list of upcoming trainings, both online and in-person, offered by Dr. Jamie and her selected network of EMDR trainers. Are you interested in becoming a sponsor? Please send an email to [email protected] to request more information.

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Drew & Garden System interview Katie Keech, MFT on the intersections of neurodivergence with DID, autism, and ADHD.

Katie Keech, MFT, whose pronouns are They/Them, has over twenty years of professional experience in both community mental health and private practice. They have managed emerging adult community mental health programs and forensic programs.

In the late 1990’s they were diagnosed with DDNOS then later DID. After much clinical and personal work, they identify as part of a plural system. In private practice they currently specialize in severe dissociative disorders, plurality and complex PTSD as well as autism and adhd from a neurodiversity affirmative framework.

Katie is also the co founder of The Refractory, a recently started think tank for clinicians with lived experience DID/OSDD/Plurality, which aims to transform the mental health landscape.

Katie is also a Fully Professed Member of The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, Inc., a 45-year-old global order of queer nuns.

Please visit https://acoupleofmultiples.com to sign up for our mailing list where you can learn more about our community for those living with a dissociative disorder, their supporters, and mental health professionals.

We are honored to have a gold plus sponsor for season 2! The Institute for Creative Mindfulness is one of the largest EMDR Therapy training programs in North America, founded and directed by Dr. Jamie+ Marich, author of Dissociation Made Simple. Dr. Jamie is the only EMDR therapy trainer who is "out" as a plural, and since 20 15 she's offered the full EMDR Therapy basic training in a way that honors lived experience and destigmatizes dissociation in clinical work. We have never felt more accepted and validated as a multiple than when we were able to show up authentically as Garden System for our basic EMDR training. Having lived experience is valued and respected in these training courses. Go to www.instituteforcreativemindfulness.com for a full list of upcoming trainings, both online and in-person, offered by Dr. Jamie and her selected network of EMDR trainers. Are you interested in becoming a sponsor? Please send an email to [email protected] to request more information.

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