A Meal of Thorns

A Meal of Thorns

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A Meal of Thorns episodes

  • A Meal of Thorns 31 – Seattle Worldcon

    Casella heads to Seattle for the World Science Fiction Convention, reporting on his travels and the convention. Includes interviews with Worldcon guests & conrunners, thoughts on the Hugos and the event, and, of course, a quick coffee report.

    Credits:

    • Host: Jake Casella Brookins
    • Music by Giselle Gabrielle Garcia
    • Artwork by Rob Patterson
    • Opening poem by Bhartṛhari, translated by John Brough
    • Transcribers: Kate Dollarhyde and John WM Thompson
    • References:

      • World Science Fiction Convention in Seattle
      • The Hugo Awards
      • Norwescon
      • Kevin Black - Publications Division Head
      • Catherine Hardwicke's Twilight, based on the novel by Stephenie Meyer
      • "Full Moon" by the Black Ghosts
      • Article about John Anderson’s Beachcomber Museum, with link to the short documentary
      • Dr. Kaitlyn Casimo
      • The Allen Institute
      • Brandon O'Brien - Poet Laureate for the Seattle Worldcon
      • The Speculative Poetry Initiative
      • Interstellar Flight Press
      • The Translated Hugo Initiative
      • “Summit Sound” by the Jack Straw Cultural Center
      • “Mole” by Elizabeth McQueen
      • “What You have become” by Kate Clark
      • Olympia Coffee Roasting
      • The Mountain in the Sea by Ray Nayler
      • Alien Clay by Adrian Tchaikovsky
      • 99% Invisible readalong of Robert Caro’s The Power Broker
      • Hugos There
      • Hugo Girl!
      • Speculative Whiteness: Science Fiction and the Alt-Right by Jordan S. Carroll
      • Abigail Nussbaum
      • SFPoetry.org
      • Strange Horizons, Uncanny, Asimov’s, Analog
      • Calypso by Oliver K. Langmead

        1 hr 15 min
      • A Meal of Thorns 30 – STONE OF FAREWELL with Karlo Yeager Rodríguez

        Tad Williams’ Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn is a literally giant work that’s an exemplar of the chain-bookstore and mass-market epic fantasy boom. Author, editor, and critic Karlo Yeager Rodríguez joins to talk about the trilogy’s second entry, Stone of Farewell: its position within and influence upon the genre, and how it holds up.

        Credits:

        • Guest: Karlo Yeager Rodríguez
        • Title: Stone of Farewell by Tad Williams
        • Host: Jake Casella Brookins
        • Music by Giselle Gabrielle Garcia
        • Artwork by Rob Patterson
        • Opening poem by Bhartṛhari, translated by John Brough
        • Transcribers: Kate Dollarhyde and John WM Thompson
        • References:

          • Kim Stanley Robinson’s Aurora, and our episode on it
          • K.J. Parker's Making History
          • Jared Diamonds’ Guns, Germs, and Steel
          • David Eddings’ Belgeriad & Mallorian
          • Michael Whelan & Darrell K. Sweet
          • George R.R. Martin’s A Song of Ice & Fire
          • Peter Beagle forward to The Lord of the Rings
          • The Clone Wars meme "The what?"
          • ElfQuest by Wendy & Richard Pini et al.
          • Katherine Kurtz’s Deryni novels
          • Hidetaka Miyazaki & Yui Tanimura’s Elden Ring
          • T.H. White
          • Brandon Sanderson
          • Robert Jordan’s Wheel Of Time
          • H.P. Lovecraft’s The Mountains of Madness & The Case of Charles Dexter Ward
          • "A Line of Ink, Stretching Back Like A Shadow"
          •  

            1 hr 15 min
          • A Meal of Thorns 29 – Readercon & Lovestruck

            Casella heads to Readercon, a Boston-based science fiction convention that’s unusually good at keeping the focus literary. This episode includes an interview with one of the conrunners, a discussion of translated SFF and the Translated Hugo Initiative, and a visit with a new romance bookstore in Cambridge. Some quick coffee reporting, as well.

            Podcasts, reviews, interviews, essays, and more at the Ancillary Review of Books.

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            Credits:

            • Featuring interviews with:
            • Rae Borman @ Readercon
            • Riley @ Lovestruck Books
            • Host: Jake Casella Brookins
            • Music by Giselle Gabrielle Garcia
            • Artwork by Rob Patterson
            • Opening poem by Bhartṛhari, translated by John Brough
            • Transcribers: Kate Dollarhyde and John WM Thompson
            •  

              References:

              • Rae Borman
              • New England Finger Dancers
              • Naomi Novik’s Scholomance
              • Brandon Mull’s Fablehaven
              • Katherine Rundell’s Impossible Creatures
              • James Blish
              • Joanna Russ’s The Female Man
              • Benjamin Rosenbaum & our episode on Fire Logic
              • Sunny Moraine & our episode on Pattern Recognition
              • Beneath Ceaseless Skies, Clarkesworld, Strange Horizons
              • Will McMahon
              • NEA grant cuts and translated SF: 3% Podcast, Adam Morgan’s LARB article, and Strange Horizon’s reviews & podcast on the subject.
              • Eden Kupermintz & our episode on The Silmarillion
              • The Translated Hugo Initiative: translatedhugo.org
              • Renay's "That's a Nice Review You've Got There"
              • Michael Cisco
              • Jon Stone’s The Monster At The End of This Book
              • George Howell & Broadsheet coffee
              • Chip Pons's Winging it With You
              • Sarah McLean
              • Omegaverse (do be careful where you look that up)
              • The Ripped Bodice
              • Grump & Sunshine
              • Read My Lips Boston
              • Harvard Coop Bookstore, Trident, Purple Couch
              • Candlewick Press
              • Ingram distributors
              • Cat Sebastian's We Could Be So Good & Star Shipped
              • Rachel Reid's The Shots You Take
              • Adam Silvera 
              • Sarah J. Maas
              • Rebecca Yarros’s Fourth Wing
              • S.T. Gibson’s Evocation & Ascencion
              • Rina Kent, Navessa Allen
              • Heather Bartos’s Quickies
              • Emily Henry, Tessa Bailey, Sarah McLean, Kim Swizz
              • Everina Maxwell’s Winter Orbit
              • 53 min
              • A Meal of Thorns 28 – EXCESSION with Abigail Nussbaum

                Banks’ Culture novels, about a utopian space-faring civilization, are hugely influential in both SF literature and the tech industry. Award-winning critic Abigail Nussbaum joins us to discuss Excession, a Culture novel about proxy conflicts and interventionist politics, existential threats, and…problematic exes?

                Podcasts, reviews, interviews, essays, and more at the Ancillary Review of Books.

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                Credits:

                • Guest: Abigail Nussbaum
                • Title: Excession by Iain M. Banks
                • Host: Jake Casella Brookins
                • Music by Giselle Gabrielle Garcia
                • Artwork by Rob Patterson
                • Opening poem by Bhartṛhari, translated by John Brough
                • Transcribers: Kate Dollarhyde and John WM Thompson
                •  

                  References:

                  • Vector
                  • Los Angeles Review of Books
                  • The Guardian
                  • Strange Horizons
                  • Lawyers, Guns & Money
                  • Warren Zevon
                  • Asking the Wrong Questions
                  • Abigail’s Track Changes
                  • Colourfields by Paul Kincaid
                  • Nina Allan’s Granite Silence and The Art of Space Travel
                  • Ed Park’s An Oral History of Atlantis
                  • Banks’ Consider Phlebas, Use of Weapons, & The Player of Games
                  • Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism
                  • Star Trek
                  • John le Carré
                  • Andor
                  • Transmentation Transience by Darkly Lem
                  • Outside Context Problems & Aggressive Hegemonizing Swarms
                  • Stanislaw Lem
                  • Kubrick/Clarke's 2001
                  • Paul Kincaid's biography of Banks
                  • Maurice Sendak's Where the Wild Things Are
                  • C.J. Cherryh
                  • Yudhanjaya Wijeratne's Salvager books
                  • Greg Egan
                  • Ann Leckie's Imperial Radch
                  • Yoon Ha Lee's Machineries of Empire
                  • Banks’ Look to Windward
                  • Abigail's Bluesky
                  • Kim Stanley Robinson's The Ministry for the Future
                  • Ned Beauman's Venomous Lumpsucker
                  • Neal Stephenson's Termination Shock
                  •  

                    1 hr 9 min
                  • A Meal of Thorns 27 – 40,000 IN GEHENNA with Arkady Martine (and a 4th Street Fantasy Report)

                    Cherryh’s influence on speculative fiction is vast but, some would say, under-acknowledged. Author Arkady Martine joins to help rectify that situation, with a discussion of 40,000 in Gehenna, an anthropological, generational science fiction story about realpolitik, language, cloning, giant intelligent lizards, and gender—and that’s kind of just the top notes. Casella also provides a mini-report on Minneapolis’s 4th Street Fantasy Convention.

                    Podcasts, reviews, interviews, essays, and more at the Ancillary Review of Books.

                    Please consider supporting ARB’s Patreon!

                    Credits:

                    • Guest: Arkady Martine
                    • Title: 40,000 in Gehenna by C.J. Cherryh
                    • Host: Jake Casella Brookins
                    • Music by Giselle Gabrielle Garcia
                    • Artwork by Rob Patterson
                    • Opening poem by Bhartṛhari, translated by John Brough
                    • Transcribers: Kate Dollarhyde and John WM Thompson
                    •  

                      References:

                      • Vote in the Ignytes!
                      • Our episode with Archita Mittra
                      • A Memory Called Empire, A Desolation Called Peace, Rose/House, "Three Faces of a Beheading"
                      • Mick Herron’s Slow Horses
                      • Pip Adams' Audition
                      • André Alexis’s Other Worlds
                      • Thomas Ha’s Uncertain Sons
                      • Stephen Sondheim's Assassins
                      • Cherryh’s Cyteen, Downbelow Station, Foreigner
                      • Watsonian vs. Doylist readings
                      • The Faded Sun, Hunter of Worlds
                      • Leonard Cohen's "The Future"
                      • Theodore Sturgeon's "The Golden Helix"
                      • Internet Science Fiction Database (ISFDB)
                      • Ursula Le Guin's The Left Hand of Darkness, Rocannon's World
                      • Joanna Russ's The Female Man
                      • Anne McCaffrey's Dragonriders of Pern
                      • Serpent's Reach
                      • Amal El-Mohtar
                      • Anaïs Mitchell’s Hadestown
                      • Emmanuel Levinas & Martin Buber
                      • Octavia E. Butler
                      • "Third Person Intense Internal"
                      • Jane Alison's Meander, Spiral, Explode
                      • Elizabeth Bear
                      • Ann Leckie, Tamsyn Muir, Jeff VanderMeer
                      • Ancillary Justice
                      • Lois McMaster Bujold
                      • Seth Dickinson's The Traitor Baru Cormorant & our episode on it
                      • Max Gladstone's Craft Sequence
                      • A Pattern Language
                      • David Brin, Vernor Vinge
                      • Arkady's Bluesky
                      • Louis Kahn
                      • 4th Street Fantasy
                      • Viable Paradise
                      • Wiscon
                      • Wesley Andrews
                      • The Briar
                      • SK Coffee
                      • Bogart's Doughnut
                      • Northeast Tea House
                      • DreamHaven
                      • Uncle Hugo’s
                      • Delany's The Jewel-Hinged Jaw and The Motion of Light in Water
                      • Cherryh's Wave Without A Shore
                      • Greg Egan's Phoresis
                      • Kathy Mar's "Forty Thousand in Gehenna" from the album "Finity's End and other Songs of the Station Trade"
                      • Wizards vs. Lesbians episode with Ann Leckie on C.J. Cherryh's Foreigner
                      • 1 hr 21 min
                      • A Meal of Thorns 26 – DEATH OF THE AUTHOR with andré m. carrington

                        Podcasts, reviews, interviews, essays, and more at the Ancillary Review of Books.


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                        Credits:

                        • Guest: andré m. carrington
                        • Title: Death of the Author by Nnedi Okorafor
                        • Host: Jake Casella Brookins
                        • Music by Giselle Gabrielle Garcia
                        • Artwork by Rob Patterson
                        • Opening poem by Bhartṛhari, translated by John Brough
                        • Transcribers: Kate Dollarhyde and John WM Thompson


                        References:

                        • andré’s Speculative Blackness, The Black Fantastic, and Audiofuturism (forthcoming)
                        • The Eaton Conference
                        • Malik Gaines & Alexandro Segade's cosmic opera Star Choir, based on the work of Octavia E. Butler
                        • Hanna Yanagahira's To Paradise
                        • Tochi Onyebuchi’s Harmattan Season
                        • George R. R. Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire
                        • N.K. Jemisin
                        • Michael Zapata’s The Lost Book of Adana Moreau
                        • Tom Hanks’ That Thing You Do
                        • Andew Stanton’s Wall-E
                        • Becky Chambers' Monk & Robot
                        • Olaf Stapledon
                        • Kim Stanley Robinson’s The Ministry for the Future
                        • andré's Bluesky
                        • Audio.futurism Instagram


                        1 hr 15 min
                      • A Meal of Thorns 25 – THE HUGO NOVELS & NOVELLAS with Roseanna Pendlebury

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                        Credits:

                        • Guest: Roseanna Pendlebury
                        • Titles: The 2025 Hugo Novel & Novella List
                        • Host: Jake Casella Brookins
                        • Music by Giselle Gabrielle Garcia
                        • Artwork by Rob Patterson
                        • Opening poem by Bhartṛhari, translated by John Brough
                        • Transcribers: Kate Dollarhyde and John WM Thompson


                        References:

                        • Hugo Novella Finalists:
                        • The Brides of High Hill by Nghi Vo
                        • The Butcher of the Forest by Premee Mohamed
                        • Navigational Entanglements by Aliette de Bodard
                        • The Practice, the Horizon, and the Chain by Sofia Samatar
                        • The Tusks of Extinction by Ray Nayler
                        • What Feasts at Night by T. Kingfisher
                        • Hugo Novel Finalists:
                        • Alien Clay by Adrian Tchaikovsky
                        • The Ministry of Time by Kaliane Bradley
                        • Service Model by Adrian Tchaikovsky
                        • Someone You Can Build a Nest In by John Wiswell
                        • A Sorceress Comes to Call by T. Kingfisher
                        • The Tainted Cup by Robert Jackson Bennett
                        • The Clarke Award list
                        • Paul Kincaid’s Coulorfields
                        • Roseanna’s “A Path Through the Landscape” for A Reader of Else, plus Paul Kincaid’s “The Books That Made Me” for Through the dark labyrinth
                        • Nnedi Okorafor’s Binti
                        • Casella’s idea of a Hugo for Best Translated Work
                        • Renay's Hugo Spreadsheet of Doom
                        • Alex Jeffers’s A Mourning Coat
                        • Lorraine Wilson’s Last to Drown
                        • The Ursula K. Le Guin Prize
                        • The Ignyte Awards
                        • Premee Mohamed’s The Siege of Burning Grass
                        • Vajra Chandraskera’s Rakesfall
                        • Jared Pechaček’s The West Passage
                        • Seth Dickinson’s Exordia and The Traitor Baru Cormorant
                        • Emet North’s In Universes
                        • Eden Robin’s Remember You Will Die
                        • Scott Guild's Plastic
                        • Aliya Whiteley's Three Eight One
                        • T. Kingfisher’s Saint of Steel books
                        • Marie Brennan's A Natural History of Dragons
                        • Robert Jackson Bennett’s Divine Cities and Founders trilogies
                        • Adrian Tchaikovsky’s House of Open Wounds
                        • Greg Egan
                        • Charlie Stross's Neptune’s Brood
                        • Zachary Gillan’s “Reading Weird Fiction in an Age of Fascism”
                        • Foz Meadow’s A Strange and Stubborn Endurance
                        • Roseanna's review of Someone To Build A Nest In
                        • Brad Wright’s Travelers
                        • Helen MacDonald and Sin Blaché’s Prophet
                        • Roseanna’s Small Press Dispatch column
                        • Nerds of a Feather


                        1 hr 28 min
                      • A Meal of Thorns 24 – THE LOST BOOK OF ADANA MOREAU with Maia Gil′Adí

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                        Credits:

                        • Guest: Maia Gil′Adí
                        • Title: The Lost Book of Adana Moreau by Michael Zapata
                        • Host: Jake Casella Brookins
                        • Music by Giselle Gabrielle Garcia
                        • Artwork by Rob Patterson
                        • Opening poem by Bhartṛhari, translated by John Brough


                        References:

                        • Palgrave SFF: A New Canon
                        • The Zombie Archive
                        • Doom Patterns: Latinx Speculations and the Aesthetics of Violence
                        • Augustina Bazterrica's Tender is the Flesh
                        • Fernanda Trias' Pink Slime
                        • Kazuo Ishiguro's Never Let Me Go
                        • Colson Whitehead's Zone One
                        • Toni Morrison's Beloved
                        • Fernanda Melchor's Hurricane Season
                        • Indrapramit Das
                        • Brendan Shay Basham's Swim Home to the Vanished & Casella’s review
                        • Mariana Enriquez's Our Share of Night
                        • Fredric Jameson
                        • Chicago Review of Books Awards
                        • Ilana Masad’s “Holocaust Beach Reads” for The Maris Review
                        • Jason (Friday the 13th)
                        • Simón Bolívar
                        • August Derleth, Clark Ashton Smith, H.P. Lovecraft, C.L. Moore
                        • Moebius/Jean Giraud
                        • Ancient Aliens
                        • Blake Crouch’s Dark Matter & adaptation
                        • Studs Terkel
                        • US Occupation of the Dominican Republic, 1916
                        • Junot Diaz's The Brief Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao
                        • Jonbar points
                        • Aimee Pokwatka's Self-Portrait with Nothing
                        • Lavie Tidhar's The Circumference of the Earth & Unholy Land
                        • Rob Nixon's Slow Violence and the Environmentalism of the Poor
                        • Sesshu Foster's Atomic Aztecs
                        • Maia on Bluesky


                        1 hr 1 min
                      • A Meal of Thorns 23 – DREAMS OF AMPUTATION with Sean McTiernan

                        Podcasts, reviews, interviews, essays, and more at the Ancillary Review of Books.


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                        Credits:

                        • Guest: Sean McTiernan
                        • Title: Dreams of Amputation by Gary J. Shipley
                        • Host: Jake Casella Brookins
                        • Music by Giselle Gabrielle Garcia
                        • Artwork by Rob Patterson
                        • Opening poem by Bhartṛhari, translated by John Brough
                        • Transcribers: Kate Dollarhyde


                        References:

                        • The SFUltra podcast
                        • Alasdair Gray’s Lanark & Poor Things
                        • James Joyce’s Ulysses
                        • Fredric Jameson
                        • Absolute DC comics
                        • Michael Comeau’s Hellberta
                        • Alan Grant & John Wagner’s Doomlord
                        • Ray Nayler’s Where the Axe is Buried
                        • Neil Sharpson’s When The Sparrow Falls
                        • Michael Mann's Blackhat
                        • Later Die Hards
                        • Tony Scott’s Enemy of the State
                        • Jean Baudrillard
                        • Shipley’s Stratagem of the Corpse, Crypt(o)spasm, and Serial Killing: A Philosophical Anthology
                        • Dennis Cooper
                        • Blake Butler’s “Sci-Fi Doesn’t Have to Be Dominated by Horny Bro Wizards” for Vice
                        • Darko Suvin
                        • Manuela Draeger's Kree (and Antoine Volodine’s other work)
                        • Mark Danielewski
                        • B.R. Yeager
                        • Apocalypse Party
                        • William S. Burrough’s Naked Lunch
                        • Neal Stephenson
                        • Daniel Dennett
                        • Memetics
                        • Philip K. Dick’s A Scanner Darkly
                        • J.G. Ballard, M. John Harrison, John Updike
                        • Blake Butler’s Uxa.gov & the SFUltra episode
                        • Christopher Priest’s “Hull 0, Scunthorpe 3”
                        • Brian Evenson, Pierre Guyotat
                        • Harrison's Nova Swing
                        • Tad Williams' Otherland
                        • Derek Raymond (Rober Cook)’s He Died With His Eyes Open
                        • Thomas Metzinger The Ego Tunnel
                        • Bernard Wolfe’s Limbo
                        • Evenson’s Last Days / Brotherhood of Mutilation
                        • William Gibson, Bruce Sterling
                        • Warhammer 40k
                        • Ballard's Crash
                        • Curt Siodmak’s Donovan's Brain
                        • Matt from Bookpilled
                        • Nick Land
                        • CCRU & Dark Enlightenment
                        • Baudrillard’s The Transparency of Evil, Cool Memories, The Perfect Crime
                        • Mark Fisher, Kodwu Eshun, Kode9
                        • Fisher’s “Exiting the Vampire Castle”
                        • Andrea Dworkin
                        • Brion Gysin
                        • Travis Baldree's Legends and Lattes
                        • Walter Hill's The Driver
                        • Brian Catling
                        • Ian Sinclair
                        • SFUltra episodes on Lanark, Poor Things, and Catling


                        1 hr 7 min
                      • A Meal of Thorns 22 – THE TERRA IS A FORMER MISTRESS with Christian P. Haines

                        Podcasts, reviews, interviews, essays, and more at the Ancillary Review of Books.


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                        Credits:

                        • Guest: Christian P. Haines
                        • Titles: The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Robert A. Heinlein, and The Terraformers by Annalee Newitz 
                        • Host: Jake Casella Brookins
                        • Music by Giselle Gabrielle Garcia
                        • Artwork by Rob Patterson
                        • Opening poem by Bhartṛhari, translated by John Brough
                        • Transcriber: Kate Dollarhyde


                        References:

                        • Stephen King's The Shining and Carrie
                        • Rafael Bernal’s His Name Was Death
                        • Michel Nieva’s Dengue Boy
                        • Daryl Gregory’s When We Were Real
                        • Adrian Tchaikovsky’s Service Model, Christian’s review for ARB
                        • Io9
                        • Our Opinions Are Correct
                        • Heinlein’s Starship Troopers
                        • Christian’s The Terraformers review for LARB
                        • Newitz’s Autonomous
                        • Heinlein’s Farmer in the Sky, The Rolling Stones
                        • Archer
                        • Milton Friedman
                        • Orwell’s 1984
                        • Rand’s Atlas Shrugged
                        • James S.A. Corey’s The Expanse
                        • Kim Stanley Robinson’s Mars Trilogy
                        • Ursula K. Le Guin’s The Dispossessed
                        • Ian McDonald’s New Moon trilogy
                        • Frank Herbert’s Dune
                        • Samuel R. Delany’s Babel-17
                        • Le Guin’s The Left Hand of Darkness
                        • Jo Walton's Among Others and our episode on it
                        • Holly Jean Buck’s After Geoengineering
                        • "Engineering Swallows Up Politics"
                        • Neal Stephenson’s Termination Shock
                        • KSR’s Aurora
                        • McKenzie Wark’s Molecular Red
                        • Ulrich Haarbürste’s Roy Orbison Wrapped in Clingfilm
                        • Star Trek's “Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations”
                        • Spinoza’s idea of conatus
                        • Walter Kaufman's introduction to Martin Buber's I and Thou
                        • Kant's Categorical Imperative
                        • Abbot Elementary
                        • Delany’s Trouble On Triton
                        • Octavia E. Butler’s Parable of the Talents
                        • Marx’s Capital
                        • John Brunner’s Stand on Zanzibar
                        • Kohei Sato’s Slow Down: The Degrowth Manifesto
                        • KSR’s The Ministry for the Future, New York 2140
                        • Le Guin’s The Word for World is Forest
                        • Gamers with Glasses
                        • Five Theses on Antifascist Game Criticism


                        1 hr 30 min

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