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We have some old friends of the show and someone new. Chris Taylor (The Chaser) Alice Fraser (The Last Post) And Imaan Frank Hadchiti joins the podcast. Qantas's vaccinations, The Magna Carta people of the UK, and Turkey Pardoning in the USA. We unfortunately didn't connect to our guest interview Michael West on the crumbling of the Murdoch Empire, we assume he was assassinated mid-podcast by John Barilaro. 

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We won the Best Comedy Podcast at the Australian Podcast Awards. Beating out such luminaries as Hamish and Andy and Tony Martin's Sizzle Town.  I trust that last year's winners Tony Martin and his producer Matt Dower will take the Australian Podcast Awards finding with good grace, and will proceed with a peaceful transition of power.  It's what makes the Australian Podcast Awards great, we may differ on what we think is ‘humour,' but we can all agree farts are always funny.

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Unknown Speaker  0:00  
This podcast is supported in part by the birth of foundation.

Dan Ilic  0:04  
Hello, Lewis.

Lewis Hobba  0:05  
Hello, Daniel. How are you?

Dan Ilic  0:06  
I don't know if you're aware, but you and I, we are now the award winning irrational fear podcast.

Lewis Hobba  0:11  
Yeah, I heard we're officially the funniest podcasts in Australia. What a low bar for the whole country.

Dan Ilic  0:17  
And anyone who's new to listening to this podcast, can I just say I just send some really exceptional bits in for the awards? So don't expect to be funny. straight off the bat.

Unknown Speaker  0:27  
Yeah,

Lewis Hobba  0:28  
what what do you have to send in you have to in like, 20 minutes or something, and we make a general podcast, that's about 0.01% of the waffle on an average podcast

Dan Ilic  0:37  
and show across the year, there's gonna be five minutes of really crappy stuff that's gonna have you in stitches. And that's what you can expect from us. Across the year, five minutes is gonna make you laugh.

Lewis Hobba  0:48  
If you're listening to this, think of yourself as a gold miner, going in, going under that going into the shaft. And who knows, maybe you'll spend five years of your life and it'll be for nothing. Or maybe within 10 minutes, you'll find a little nugget of gold, and you'll be able to check it in and you'll be you'll be happy for the rest of your life.

Dan Ilic  1:07  
People who have been happy for the rest of their life, and they found the gold include new Patreon supporters. Phil Thank you, Phil. Michael David lai adoos Frankie Lee has upped her contribution from 20 to 30 bucks a month. That's, that's like three standard subscriptions. Frankie, thank you very much for that. And a big thanks to James Shira, who dropped us a $10 support package as well. You can support us. We may be award winning, Louis, but we don't have many sponsors. In fact, the only people who sponsor us are our Patreon supporters.

Lewis Hobba  1:36  
Yeah. Obviously still not getting paid despite the award can't cast the award for money down and

Dan Ilic  1:42  
you can't you know what i did you see this clip of Kyle Sandilands, who double bass on tik tok and walked up to him and he was in sitting in his bed late, and some taco went up to and said, What do you do for a job in car sounds like a little bit of radio, I do a bit of TV. I'm a publisher. I have a music company, and I drive a Bentley. Well, it doesn't I drive a 2000 Corolla so you know that that's comparable. Incidentally, we bake Collin Jackie. Oh, what do you mean, they went in the category with Oh, no, we beat Hamish and Andy, but they have houses in Queenstown. That's fine.

Lewis Hobba  2:15  
Yeah, but also thank you all again to all the new Patreon subscribers, particularly thanks to the one who did it before we were famous and award winning, you know, your ones we won't forget.

Dan Ilic  2:24  
Yes, yes. big thank you to those people who signed up in the very early days before we were good. Before we were award winning before before nobody actually whom I was gonna say before nobody knew names. Who am I kidding? Nobody knows. And David Lewis. You and I have had illustrious careers on national broadcast is another way they will

Lewis Hobba  2:42  
people either know who will know one of my names at a time. They know it's a Veronica and Lewis all they know, Hubbard hanger. They never know them both at the same time.

Dan Ilic  2:50  
I'm still convinced that we only one because people thought you were Tony Martin.

Lewis Hobba  2:56  
That's the dream. Yeah, I'm still cashing those get this checks.

Dan Ilic  3:00  
Another way to support irrational fears to offset the carbon emissions from your car with a go neutral sticker for every 990 dollars ticket go neutral by 3.5 tonnes of carbon, which is about the same as yearly emissions for a car and five bucks that comes to us, Lewis, you're not joining us on this week's show. But you'll be in Melbourne. I hope for you the best.

Lewis Hobba  3:17  
Thank you. Yeah, I've had enough. I've had enough. I was only in it for the awards. I've won the award. And now I'm retiring from this podcast.

Dan Ilic  3:25  
I assume you're gonna go and head off to three AWS and get that sweet, sweet, three IWA money.

Lewis Hobba  3:30  
Yeah, I won't be around for the rest of podcasts. And unfortunately, as we are recording this, I'm on a plane to Melbourne. I'm going to see my family who I haven't seen this

Dan Ilic  3:38  
Christmas. Oh, exciting. That's fantastic. I think that is a beautiful moment. I think there are there's plenty of Sydney, Melbourne, Melbourne, Australia wide readings happening all around the nation, which is absolutely terrific. Well enjoy that. I'm recording my end of irrational fear and gadigal Land of the urination sovereignty was never stated. We need a trading. Let's start the shock.

Unknown Speaker  3:57  
A rational fear contains naughty words like bricks. cambro fan COMM And section 40 of our rational fear recommended listening might emerge your audience. Tonight

Dan Ilic  4:11  
the death of Diego Maradona sends the world's football fans and cocaine markets into a tailspin. And Charlie Amelio becomes the first tik tok to reach 100 million followers with six hours of content or approximately the amount of time it takes the average Social Media Manager to explain tik tok to their boss and Scott Morrison calls the Cali more Gilbert business with around a miracle apparently doesn't know how governments work. It's the 27th of November 2020. And it feels like the last week of school but it's not. This is irrational fear.

Welcome to irrational fear the show that takes the scary news of the week and finds the comfy bits to rub our faces in. I'm your host for official photographer of the Prime Minister Daniel itch. Let's meet our female guest for tonight. Joining us from the free state of Melbourne. He's the host of Italy's Daily Show and The biggest name, the biggest smallest name and Australian economy. Economy. Why not? It's a man Frank che good I am on what's it like to walk the streets of Melbourne?

Imaan Frank Hadchiti  5:17  
It's fine.

Dan Ilic  5:22  
And she's one of the most in demand comedians on the podcasts today her boss as in her boss demands that she do at least a podcast. It's Alice Fraser get Alice what other demands is Andy Saltzman have for you?

Alice Fraser  5:35  
Oh well the the problem with Andy is he's such a delight to work with that we end up always working together though he demands to do the most puns that always have to do slightly fewer puns than him.

Dan Ilic  5:49  
And from the chaser, it's the multiple actor nominated Chris Tyler, Chris nominated for upright and at home alone together this week. Both of those are in the comedy category. What happens if neither when Chris

Chris Taylor  6:01  
if neither wins, it'll be a victory for comedy. Can I just say them and I genuinely surprised that you are humble enough not to raise yourself earlier. I feel very nervous doing this podcast this week with you because of course you won an award something much better than an actor award a a an Australian podcast award, the best comedy podcast in Australia and this puts pressure on on us tonight. A lot of people have been shooting in for the first time tonight and you know be their first experience of irrational fear of this shit. It's on us and so I just want to say no pressure. I notice Louis very strategically decided to have this one out.

Dan Ilic  6:42  
Oh have you know that tonight is is is shit on purpose. Because of that. We want to lower expectations so we can win again next year. It's not often Ubaid, Hamish and Andy a tiny mountain sounds like it's really exotic.

Alice Fraser  6:55  
I feel like it's very important if you win an award to prove that awards are worth nothing because inevitably you will just want to prove to everyone that no one really deserves in a world.

Dan Ilic  7:09  
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Dan Ilic  8:08  
Alright, let's get into the fears. Speaking of airlines angry customers have swore never to fly cuantas ever again after Alan Joyce said that COVID vaccinations would be mandatory on future flights. Although just like Qantas job security, it's only 70%. Effective. Yes, if you want to fly quanis, you'll be strapped in a chair and stabbed aggressively with a needle or as they call it, economy. And if you're willing to pay twice the price, you'll also be stabbed with the needle but with more leg room, which is great. And this is of course it's absolutely terrible news for any anti vaxxers for mullumbimby. Who will have to take their trips the usual way with acid. So is it okay that Qantas is demanding international customers get the jab?

Chris Taylor  8:50  
I'm okay with this. Um, firstly, from a health point of view, I think you've we've spent the whole year waiting for this vaccine. If one exists, then why wouldn't you have it? But the main reason I'm all pro This is because it will introduce more segregation in flying. You know, remember the old days where there was a smoking section and a non smoking section. Now actually divide anti vaxxers from vectors where there will actually be a curtain between people and in the same people to make it really obvious is that the moment you've kind of had to guess, or are they an anti vaxxer or not, by now if we just either just have a separate class. And I suggest, you know, there must be something worse than cattle classes. They're just a, you know, a needle prod class or just luggage hold will do. Or even a separate airline. I don't know what virgin is doing these days. But if they could pivot just to become the anti vaxxer airline. I think it could be very good

Dan Ilic  9:40  
for all Yeah, jab star becomes the airline that was frozen.

Alice Fraser  9:46  
Well, I have to disagree with you completely. Chris, I think this is a ridiculous infringement on personal liberties. And while we're at it, we should get rid of the rule that you're not allowed to fly when you're very pregnant. The rule that you're not allowed to fly when you're on fire or carrying liquids in bottles of more than 100 million I feel like the people who are anti Vax pre flight are the kind of people who defiantly drink half a litre of expensive shampoo with customs. Because how dare you tell them that they're not allowed to bring a bottle of shampoo and a wet goat on board?

Unknown Speaker  10:16  
What's this?

Dan Ilic  10:17  
I'm over 400 mils. All right, let me get rid of this right? on my head. A man you do a lot of flying? How do you feel about this?

Imaan Frank Hadchiti  10:26  
I don't know. I just wonder how they gonna enforce it. You know? Like, is it gonna be that sort of sneaky add ons? When you book your ticket? We're like, yeah, you know, if you don't click the dead stop box, you know, it's gonna cost you $70 to get the job at the gate, you know? Is it gonna be like that?

Dan Ilic  10:42  
It's kind of interesting, Chris, like you were saying how we were waiting for this moment to happen. We're kind of now putting our responsibilities because governments are so scared to do anything because of political pressure. It's up to now, corporations to actually do the moral take the moral high ground and show moral leadership. Yeah. Is there anything? Is it Do you?

Chris Taylor  11:01  
Do you feel weird about that? No, no, I'm kind of grateful. Because I've lost hope waiting for governments to show moral leadership on this. I What was interesting for this in me on a serious note was how early Joyce went with it, because we will see a lot of this not just in the airline industry, but anywhere where you know, where there's group sort of situations, they probably weren't like schools, churches, gyms, and so forth. I think there will be a stipulation soon, that unless you've had the backstay out, so from a sort of marketing point of view is a bit unsanded. A bit Todd Sampson, he was sort of surprised. Joyce came out so hard and early. But he did say in his comments, I think, didn't he that he'd been speaking privately with his counterparts at other airlines, and they're all going to do it. So any anti vaxxer who thinks they just won't fly quarters from now on? What maybe have a lot of other options if they're all on the same page on this? You did

Dan Ilic  11:54  
bring up branding and marketing. This is really interesting. This is bad news for anti vaxxers. They are now adding force on the internet complaining about this, and including this one who is a TV psychologist from the UK. Her name's Emma Kenny, she's got some suggestions for quarters

Unknown Speaker  12:09  
in 20,000 people are damaged by vaccines, meaning that compared to the amount of children that damaged by COVID, there is no comparison. Vaccines will damage more children. And they will help so cuantas are advocating for the willful harm of children. Is that what you want your next year strapline to be cuantas willfully injured children? Fly with cuantas. But we might just NGO kid. Oh, well,

Dan Ilic  12:41  
what do you think about that in mind?

Imaan Frank Hadchiti  12:43  
I'm for injuring children.

Chris Taylor  12:45  
So people forget, I mean, this is extremely on brand for cuantas. They they've been exploiting that Children's Choir for years taking the most places that are freezing cold, like the London Bridge at 5am to shoot an ad in the middle of a little room on top of the Opera House. I mean, the light shade has a load on that. So I think this is a good move for corners and very consistent. I just sort of want to know if they'll be you know, we talked about business class earlier, like, is there sort of like a deluxe vaccine and sort of budget version one is the one that you can lace with, yeah, you know, Bali, or Dom Perignon, or something. So it's a little bit more fun. Like how are the how the Jetson is gonna embrace this.

Alice Fraser  13:28  
One of the things that I'm I'm very sorry about about this conscious announcement is that they're now going to have to change their song because it's not true anymore. There are no cities that never shut down. His own backyard is a worst example of pork barrel and you can find

Dan Ilic  13:47  
this week's second fear. I like a turkey pardoning Chris you like a turkey pardoning in a tradition going back decades, President Trump is officially part of the turkey to save it from ending up as part of a Thanksgiving faced. Additionally, in terms of tradition, that's going back only a few hours, Trump also pardoned a chicken former NSA adviser Michael Flynn. Sadly, it's too late for Flynn to avoid all homies officially been roasted and devoured by the press, and on close inspection has revealed no sign of a brain spine or guts. Chris, Turkey patterning is a very strange cultural thing in America. You know, it's up there with Halloween and school shootings. How do you take a part of the celebration yourself?

Chris Taylor  14:30  
But I watch it every year with bemusement, because it's amazing how commonly this tradition comes along and a really bad time. Like I remember, during the Vietnam War, like there's always very dark stories going on. And the President has this one little window of this sort of novelty pantomime routine where they pretend the world's quite fun. And I think it went on when we were bombing Kuwait. Last year when Trump was in the middle of impeachment proceedings and came out to do the traditional fun bit. It's the company Bit of the presidency. And it's it's sort of naff, isn't it? And I it's also quite mccobb. I mean, because everyone goes Oh, Isn't it lovely we part in a turkey. What we don't forget is one of the turkeys doesn't get pardoned, like to be brought along, one gets its throat slit and is then roasted in the White House oven. As does every other turkey in America except the one that's chosen. How do we know why that one was chosen? Who's behind it? Did you vote? Did you see the counts? Were Republicans and Democrats allowed to watch the vote process to determine which 30 gets pardoned?

Dan Ilic  15:36  
Well, actually, Chris, I don't know if you've seen this clip. This is from 2018 this is Trump explaining the process and how it actually works. This is from two years ago.

Donald Trump  15:45  
The winner of this vote was decided by a fair and open election conducted on the White House website this was a fair election. Unfortunately carrots refused to concede and demanded a recount and we're still fighting with carrots and I will tell you we've come to a conclusion carrots I'm sorry to tell you the result did not change it's too bad for carrots. Wow.

Chris Taylor  16:15  
credibly preceded and I love how jolly he is about carrots you're about to meet a teen I mean yeah guy that used to run what Miss University when he didn't when he you know when he crowned the winner? Did he then turn to the runner up and go off to the oven. I mean, it's it's it's so bizarre. And the one thing I was gonna say you sort of touched on this a bit the the actual news this week, because Trump sort of in a much more, I guess what you'd call grotesque pardoning chapter at the moment where all his mates who may or may not have been involved in Russian collusion are gradually getting pardoned, because he's got form pardoning really dodgy people. How do we know the turkey he pardoned this year? He's innocent. Like, I suspect this turkey may have been involved in collusion. I don't have evidence like this saying if Trump's pardon the turkey, who know that turkeys about Apple.

Alice Fraser  17:09  
So the turkey this year is called corn after the other and D percent of the American diet that isn't factory meat. But no one thinks about like the post pardoning life of the one free Turkey. I mean, does it just leave on in a horrifying, massive survivor's guilt until it's eaten by a wolf or regret. And if you listen to the speech this year, Donald Trump also called the turkey beautiful, which is the way he attributes value to anything. And as a satirical comedian, who's frankly tired of the lazy leftist denigration of Trump just because he's a brash, hollow showman with the vocabulary of a child. I refuse to maliciously misinterpret his harmless turkey compliment by suggesting that it indicates that he wants to fuck the Turkey. Turkey democracy.

Mathias Cormann  17:57  
I mean, you know, some states, you know, we're ahead. All right, stop counting overhead, and then other states were behind. So, you know,

Unknown Speaker  18:06  
Donald Trump is a genius. That's what the J stands for.

Dan Ilic  18:09  
This week's third fear. Remember the sovereign citizens that all that sovereign citizen bullshit we had to deal with during our COVID lockdown? Well, in the UK, people are trying to get out of COVID restrictions by quoting the Magna Carta to the police. According to one article, a salon owner has repeated violations and she's clocked up 27,000 pounds in fines, 27,000 pounds in Australian dollars, that's enough to get you a block of land in the leppington triangle that is significant. Now, specifically, this salon owner and many others have quoted article 61 of the Magna Carta, which was only enforced for a few months, over 800 years ago. Or was it I don't know, awaking up you shape or go read a book. Or you could read a book if books were invented? No, when the Magna Carta was written books got invented 200 years after the Magna Carta was written so forget reading books. You know, when conspiracy theorists say you know, do your own research, I just say fuck this one and try to a constitutional lawyer because it's so much easier. Alice as the only lawyer on the panel and as someone who's lived a long time in the UK, what's going on here?

Alice Fraser  19:13  
Well, the Magna Carta, or great big charter in English is a very hot document so hot, you might as well call it the Magna Carta, and so big you could call it the Magna Carta. Now it's a pivotal part of British legislative history and it's such a beautiful artefact you usually collect khaligraph at the hands of monks probably because back in those days, relatively few select people could read or write. Jeez, those were the days imagine Twitter if it were just a few chilled out monk swapping tips on how to go to D mediaeval baby Jesus badly, like really badly and have a look at some of the weird adult baby Jesus pics or mediaeval manuscripts at the time. But anyway, it's just such a specific legal nerd piece of legislation for these people to be waving around at their cell on doors. You think that if you knew anything about the Magna Carta, you know it's not relevant unless you're a 12th century Baron and I don't Don't want to question your lived experience, but I guarantee you have way too many people

Dan Ilic  20:05  
actually actually Christie's a 12th century Baron he is, as

Alice Fraser  20:11  
well Also, if you're citing the Magna Carta as a reason that you're allowed to keep your shop open during COVID restrictions, maybe you want to look at the regulations of that period on how people with leprosy or other illnesses the genesis of the term quarantine and easily during the play.

Dan Ilic  20:28  
That's absolutely true. Chris, what have you been quoting any obscure constitutional documents to places you've been going about your your lockdown experience?

Chris Taylor  20:38  
No, but I have noticed a trend with this. Like it was interesting in England where we've seen the Magna Carta quoted remember Karen from Bunnings in Australia earlier in the year, they seem to have a suspiciously very good knowledge of the the charter of human rights as she was trying to be convinced that Paul Bunyan stuff why she shouldn't have to wear a facemask. I don't know what it isn't Batman cases, or people who just don't want to pull their weight when it comes to public health and the public good. But they seem to have a love of arcane law, or very esoteric law. Now, I don't know if they've all been to law school before they go to Bunnings or wherever they just they've learned one phrase that they've learned are the you know, the Geneva Convention, and just sort of dropped that into a good discussion for the poor receptionist at Bunnings thinking that some capsule get out of jail free card but or I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt that maybe these are great legal scholars have arcane esoteric law. And maybe they right Dan and was wrong, Boris Johnson is wrong. And maybe we should be listening to these scholars who just have chosen to go into hair salon work. I mean, they could have been a barrister. They could have been a great eminent lecturer in law at Oxford or Cambridge, but they've chosen to come here because they're a person of the people.

Dan Ilic  21:52  
I just like the personnel sorry, beta police person or a bannings employee game. Oh, Geneva Convention. Right this way, ma'am. I am so sorry. No idea. A man what's your take on this?

Imaan Frank Hadchiti  22:07  
I'm just I'm just glad to see people in the in the West figured out that they're not as free as they thought they were. I mean, that's always fun to watch. You know.

Dan Ilic  22:18  
See, is this from your, your Lebanese experience.

Imaan Frank Hadchiti  22:22  
This this season like I struggle with, like, Oh my god, we're running out of toilet paper. What else in the world Jesus?

Dan Ilic  22:29  
Well, it's this time of year where TV networks roll out what's on offer for next year and surprisingly, a stack of new shows are coming out that are critical of the government. Television

Unknown Speaker  22:39  
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Gabbi Bolt  22:49  
Remember when the whole country was on fire and the Prime Minister went on holidays to Hawaii and his office wouldn't tell us where he was. I was like, Whoa, crazy. It was like I'm a celebrity Get me out of here. But it was your the Prime Minister get the phone

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back here. Hello. As you realise Noah is to be held responsible

Unknown Speaker  23:08  
for like two days the immigration Minister and the Attorney General the day they were accused of bullying and misogyny. I can't believe we forgot about that. I actually I can't Can you believe that?

Gabbi Bolt  23:18  
Yeah, everyone got distracted by war crimes which are cool, but not sexy.

Unknown Speaker  23:21  
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are we talking about?

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I forgot cry. As you realise the general public don't care two words. Ruby

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French word or hair.

Unknown Speaker  23:37  
That's 22 um, coalition scandals, followed by the all new you can't ask that of a Federal Minister. Whatever happened to

Unknown Speaker  23:47  
Angus Taylor's water deals? Yeah, you can ask that. Whatever happened to paladins contracts have managed to turn out that either. And whatever happened to the bushfire recovery? Well, you can't ask that because doesn't exist.

Unknown Speaker  24:02  
Plus of ciders. Sports roads edition, where we go over the most sensational sporting roads of the week. Oh my god, did you see that? He wanted that right between the posts. 2021 is bringing you newer shows with the same old scandals unless we get raided by the FBI again.

Dan Ilic  24:25  
Now let me call my call to see if we can get him up. Here we go.

Unknown Speaker  24:28  
Please leave a detailed message after the time. I'm sick. Michael West. Typical.

Dan Ilic  24:33  
Well, due to technical difficulties, we don't have Michael West, but it was gonna be an interesting conversation. I'm sure.

Chris Taylor  24:39  
I mean, this is typical. This is this is Murdoch through and through where Murdoch just understands what he's about to be discussed on a very prominent award winning Australian podcast. And I wouldn't be surprised to be said West kidnapped, certainly muzzled. I'd like to look into this if only Michael West was here to look into it. To get to the bottom of this but it's very very suspicious

Dan Ilic  25:01  
Dan in mind if you could, please could you please be Michael West while I asked you some questions about rupert murdoch

Imaan Frank Hadchiti  25:09  
hang on let me just get some talcum powder first hang on

Dan Ilic  25:14  
all right a man just how screwed is the Murdoch business in Australia?

Imaan Frank Hadchiti  25:18  
Well I mean it's it's it is the screw that is screwing us it is not screwed I think it's um I don't know what does Michael with sound like who is this? Can I just add that this is the biggest fear that I've had is the fact that this is the best comedy Australia's got to offer a

Dan Ilic  25:41  
big thank you to Alice fries a man Frank Chetty and Chris Taylor and I guess Michael west to many cold but he didn't click the link. That's okay. Thanks very much, guys. Now do you guys have anything to plug? Man? You wanna plug anything got shows coming up?

Imaan Frank Hadchiti  25:56  
Yes, I'm gonna be doing a cheeky cabaret up in Brunswick heads in Brunswick Picturehouse. 12th on the 14th of December. So come check me in my tiny black keys. And I was

Dan Ilic  26:07  
Friday. You got anything to plug?

Alice Fraser  26:09  
Yes, indeed. This is coming out on the 27th of November which means tonight if you're in Sydney, I am at the Comedy Store doing an hour of comedy. And also I have a daily satirical news podcast set in an alternate dimension and it's called the last post and it's extremely silly.

Dan Ilic  26:24  
Does Michael West call you back on in that alternative dimension?

Alice Fraser  26:30  
No, he's been eaten by the octopus people of New Zealand.

Dan Ilic  26:34  
Agree Salah What have you got to plug

Chris Taylor  26:37  
I've just started a new podcast with Michael west where we just sort of spend an hour just talking about why we don't want to talk to daily lives ever again. You can catch that on wherever you get your podcasts good.

Dan Ilic  26:49  
Big thanks to rode mics the birth of foundation go neutral Patreon supporters Jacob round on the Kevin yankeetown line words you may have heard you've come from Maddie Palmer Diablos den James Colley, as well as many tidbits from our discord community. forces you may have heard from this episode include Wendy Harmer, Ben McKenzie bros a avadh. Gabby bot Robin McGregor and Rupa de gas Until next week, there's always something to be scared of. Good night.

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This week we rip into Pete Evans. Why not? Everyone else is. We as whether or not we should let dead mummies lie. We cheer on SA as they go into their 6 day hard lockdown. And we mock the SA government for trying to implement a tax on electric cars.

Fearmongers this week:

Zach Ruane (Aunty Donna's Big Ole House of Fun)
Virginia Gay (All Saints Big Ol Hospital of Fiction)
Dan Ilic (The Ronnie Johns Half Hour of Nonsense)
Lewis Hobba (Hungry Beast)

and Noah Schultz-Byard (SA Director of The Australia Institue)

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Unknown Speaker  0:00  
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Dan Ilic  0:04  
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Lewis Hobba  0:28  
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Dan Ilic  0:44  
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Unknown Speaker  1:31  
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Dan Ilic  1:44  
Tonight at the 26 minute long News Corp AGM rupert murdoch said he's not a climate denier. He's just number one with climate deniers. And thanks to COVID-19 Adelaide enters six days of staying at home and doing nothing also known as Adelaide and Australia is set to open all state and territory borders by Christmas except CWA that ruined our holiday plans to Perth exclaimed no one is the 20th of November 2020. And many smart people are saying that we are gonna beat sizzle Tam at the Australian podcast level. So best comedy. This is irrational fear. Hello and welcome to irrational fear the show that holds your hand through the spookiest stories of the week on your host, former chairman of crown casino Dan Ilic. Joining me on the podcast this week, the mongers of fear. And let me tell you first up, he's the only guy left or Triple J who hasn't managed to go behind his boss's back to secure a deal with a commercial radio station. It's Louis harbor.

Lewis Hobba  2:55  
Begging for a den one day I'll get that you can pick it up.

Dan Ilic  2:59  
And she's a writer, performer, actor, musician and racconta it's the old star of all saints Virginia gay. Howdy, Dan. We have we're great. And our next guest Well, let's put it this way. It's been a quiet like nothing career defining or genre defying or nothing really in the realm of international acclaim has taken up his time and attention and as a result has had plenty of time to read the news and be a guest on every single comedy podcast from Australia. He's one third of the way up until this week that little known Australia sketch comedy group. Auntie Donna, Zack Ryan. Hello,

Zach Ruane  3:33  
hello. Thank you so much. I haven't had much time to read the news. But I think in the great tradition of white men through history, I'm just gonna have opinions without being informed. I'm just gonna go for him. Just you'll hear him I'll have him

Virginia Gay  3:48  
in the great tradition of white women.

Unknown Speaker  3:52  
Hilarious.

Dan Ilic  3:58  
Coming up in the podcast we're gonna be talking to two southies one the pizza guy comm security guard who is patient zero in the state's latest outbreak and we're gonna be talking about how the South Australian government is trying to implement attacks on electric cars which could see terrible policy make its way throughout the country just like other baddest South Australia incidents like dance chance and romance. But first here is this week's sponsor.

Unknown Speaker  4:23  
This week on SNS Australia, Nick Cummins is issued with his toughest challenge. Yes, they call you the honey badger right?

Unknown Speaker  4:31  
The pipe shed in the woods.

Unknown Speaker  4:33  
Do you want to win SS Australia? Oh man I want to win like a Dingo wants a baby. So when sh Australia all you have to do is indiscriminately destroy 39 innocent people are metaphorical your mind because anytime I go to the pub on ladies no

Unknown Speaker  4:48  
I'm like a bull in a china shop. I

Unknown Speaker  4:50  
just absolutely destroy murder them just like the real Australian. So yes.

Lewis Hobba  4:56  
Oh, holy Dooley. Hold your horses.

Unknown Speaker  4:58  
That's good practice. Hold your horses. Then

Unknown Speaker  5:02  
go go go go feel every

Unknown Speaker  5:04  
dog sleeping adventure and indiscriminate murders on this week's episode of sa Yes, Australia yet won't be seen on seven because the AFP would rate us and put us in jail.

Unknown Speaker  5:15  
Chapelle

Dan Ilic  5:18  
can't wait to say that one. All right, let's get stuck into their fears. This week's first fear we all know Pete Evans has been canceled once popular conspiracy theories shift. The same guy who activated armands has been dropped by his publisher and book chains for activating right wing conspiracy theorists with a Nazi black son car turn on Facebook. Now to be fair, he's also at COVID conspiracy theorist which has killed almost 1.5 million people in six months. And he's even been dropped by channel 10. I'm a celebrity Get me out of here because the producers couldn't find conditions that were more extreme than having It's been eight weeks isolated with Pete Evans. His products have also been dropped from Coles and while we're so fear mongers it is safe to say you can't get canceled in Australia unless you're a white guy who wants to promote the Nazis. Well, what do you say Zach? Is? Is has it? Why is it taken this long to cancel? paid adverts? Oh, my

Zach Ruane  6:09  
goodness gracious me. I think there's an element with him where he's just such a big goof. He's been a goofus long. just gone. He started to go. Oh, Kate.

Lewis Hobba  6:24  
If he led with narcissism, he would have been like, I don't like oh my God, this guy's a Nazi. Because he led with sort of cheeky things like I'm gonna stare at the sun and tell people it's healthy. You like about Tommy it's an autism. You like well, he aged to seen, you know, it's like, it's not like, it's not like, it's not like throwing a it's like a stepping into a hot bath. It's like putting a frog into a pot and slowly turning up the hate.

Virginia Gay  6:47  
Yeah. Which would be delicious. In one of his recipes.

Dan Ilic  6:52  
Louis, I remember talking with you about bass in 2012. There in the very first time, the whole, you know, Twitter had a bit of a meltdown about paid Evans, which is when he was activating armands on his day on a plate column. Or why do you think do you do you? Could you imagine like back in 2012. When we were talking about this, we'd still be talking about it in the year 2020.

Unknown Speaker  7:11  
I mean,

Lewis Hobba  7:12  
I guess I'm kind of surprised that, that Pete Evans has lost that as long as he has. He is I mean, they were. He's such he's pretty bad talent. Like, have you ever watched him on television? He's not very good. But he's not a very good presenter. And he's such a bad chef, that he actually got beaten by a contestant on his own show. So he's neither a good chef nor a good presenter, nor a non Nazi. I guess that's, that's a zero from three for me.

Virginia Gay  7:42  
Isn't it also true that like, if you're astonished that you're still talking about Pete Evans, and you were first talking about him in 2012? Does that make him our Trump? Because Are we still astonished that we're talking about Trump? Like, he was just a punch line in 2015? Right? Who's the punch line? In fact, home alone to eat in the city or whatever? Oh,

Dan Ilic  8:04  
are you implying that Paige Evans is going to become Prime Minister of Australia sometimes? God?

Unknown Speaker  8:13  
Jesus Christ,

Dan Ilic  8:13  
He is very, He's very handsome. He's got those sparkly eyes. He does like to surf.

Virginia Gay  8:18  
nice smile lines. Have you seen as everybody's seen that the video of him saying,

Unknown Speaker  8:24  
You know what,

Virginia Gay  8:25  
I didn't even I had to look up the phrase neo nazi, I would say, mate, does what it says on the tin. But I also am obsessed with the fact that he's standing next to that horse and that horse is like, stop at my stop.

Unknown Speaker  8:39  
I said, Shut up.

Virginia Gay  8:41  
That horses is press agent. And even that horse can't keep him in line. Here it is.

Unknown Speaker  8:48  
Well, just wait until 2020 anymore because the mainstream media have come out and labeled me a racist and a neo nazi effect that I had to actually Google a neo nazi man is pretty telling. So I would just want to tell you this once and one time early. It is completely untrue. unfactual and a load of garbage here. I could actually say a few more words, but anybody that knows me knows I stand for long term, sustainable health for all humanity. I don't think there's anything else I need to say except please. Oh my

Dan Ilic  9:25  
god, you're right, Virginia. That horse was really trying to shut him the hell up.

Virginia Gay  9:30  
That a horse is a channel seven publishers going we had one chance.

Unknown Speaker  9:39  
They'll pretty much take

Zach Ruane  9:40  
anyone on I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here. It's sort of like they'll they'll take some great celebrities. I've had friends on that show, but they'll also just go are you at your lowest point?

Unknown Speaker  9:51  
Yes. Come on board.

Unknown Speaker  9:55  
Come on.

Zach Ruane  9:56  
Get on the show.

Virginia Gay  9:58  
Do delicious. just pile of cockroaches. What is the price that you would need on the table to do that shows that?

Unknown Speaker  10:07  
Oh, yeah.

Unknown Speaker  10:10  
Oh,

Lewis Hobba  10:11  
I mean, keep in mind that a worldwide Netflix deal? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  10:15  
Right, Louis.

Lewis Hobba  10:18  
I'll do a free MacBook Pro.

Unknown Speaker  10:23  
For a webcam.

Zach Ruane  10:28  
There's something really when you're working when you're working Australian artists, that whole show the whole idea of I'm a celebrity Get me out of here is it's about bringing people down. It's like, these big coastal elites, again, ate some cockroaches, and we're gonna have a little laugh at them. But when it's just working Australian artists, it's just like, Oh, look, look what desperation and a bad in this, like a badly funded industry will do to people. It's very sad and hard to watch. But

Dan Ilic  10:58  
it's not even like that I needed to Kobe used to be the boss of the show that the boss of the company that makes that show, and she asked me when I was first going, she's like, would you go on that show? And I was like, actually, because I would say like, it'd be like eight weeks of solid pay and solid work. And of course you don't. And if anything like I mean Joel crazy was in the first ever season and it kind of helped him with his career totally blew up his career. Now he's become a household name. Yeah. Well, yeah, you do.

Lewis Hobba  11:31  
I think the way that the people who cost it, this is like, actual words from costing people say that they try to get good people on the way up and bad people on the way down. So it's like,

Unknown Speaker  11:46  
oh, that's

Dan Ilic  11:47  
amazing. So when I was asked five years ago, I might have been a good person going up, but now I'm definitely a bad guy.

Lewis Hobba  11:54  
Yeah, you weren't. You're crazy now you're Chappelle. Is it?

Zach Ruane  11:58  
Is there anything in this Pete Evans story, when when when I hear that, like Twitter blew up in 2012, about the activated almonds? Is there anything in this story about maybe we need to stop blowing up about activated almonds?

Dan Ilic  12:15  
People who are pure about their food are also pure about their bloodlines. So we got to be very careful about who is pure about what things we got to be very careful about that.

Unknown Speaker  12:25  
You're listening

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to a rational fear,

Unknown Speaker  12:29  
I can very easily disappear. You know, some people would like me to disappear and I doubt and I'll just make this one statement. If I disappear or I have a frickin weird accident, it wasn't an accident. Okay.

Dan Ilic  12:41  
This way second fear. Archaeologists in Egypt have an earth more than 100 A delicately painted wooden coffins, some with mummies inside and 40 funeral statues in the ancient burial ground of Saqqara, Virginia is everything okay? With this story, you find this?

Virginia Gay  12:58  
I am so thrilled about this story. Because what's so great about it is it's just so great to take a break from the inescapable dread of COVID and the inescapable dread of like Trump maybe barricaded himself in the White House and just really focus on the inescapable dread of awakening and ancient curse. And I just think in times like these, a change is as good as a holiday. I for one, welcome our new mommy overlords. I cannot wait to have the Scarab beetles up under my skin, I will be excited to class the jewel that then turns my hand to dust.

Dan Ilic  13:31  
What a thrill the sealed wooden coffin some containing mummies date far back as 2500 G's are in perfect condition of preservation, and are fine quality coffins meant as they were probably the final resting place of the wealthiest citizens official said Well, clearly, the final resting place is not going to be there. It's going to be the British Museum or somewhere else.

Lewis Hobba  13:53  
Yeah, it's the wealthy citizens that mean it's sort of their equivalent of paid Evans.

Dan Ilic  13:59  
Yeah. Oh, Jeff Bezos, like it's one of those things. Yeah.

Lewis Hobba  14:03  
I think it's just gold covered. Um,

Dan Ilic  14:05  
and I think you're right, Virginia. I think you know, it is time to kind of disrupt the horror show we're living in in 2020. And it's good to have some I mean, I've watched the documentary it's good

Virginia Gay  14:14  
to have an actual literal horror show. Yes.

Dan Ilic  14:18  
Exactly. Why, why deal in figuratively terms? Yeah, I watched a documentary The other day called The Mummy Returns. And it was it was very insightful. I'm looking forward. I'm

Zach Ruane  14:28  
also really, really curious how quickly how quickly corporations are gonna get on board with the mummy curse, like they're on their own no contact delivery within like, get a pizza for you and a garlic bread for the ancient mommy in your basement.

Lewis Hobba  14:51  
I saw that. There's a new Netflix documentary all about this the opening of this term. And have you guys seen this? Oh, yes. Yeah. I am. wondered if it was the biggest thing to be on Netflix this week's act?

Zach Ruane  15:04  
No, no, no, actually, I think you will find it the crown.

Virginia Gay  15:11  
The Queen's gambit is also very good.

Zach Ruane  15:13  
Yeah, absolutely. When we when we were like setting up like, we had an announced date and a release date, and then they emailed us a few, like maybe a month ago, two months ago, and they're like, oh, we're gonna move the date forward. And I was like, Why? Why? Why? Like, look, it's a complicated thing. It's about other shows. And I just Google and my other currencies and just want to get like, some time before everyone's like, Diane.

Dan Ilic  15:42  
I've got a question about your shows that I could in the Yeah, I don't think it's too weird to talk about how you had this episode called the claim. Did you guys build that episode? Because you knew the crown was coming back?

Zach Ruane  15:53  
No, like, nice. It's so funny because it comes off as a let loose live and they used to talk about the dancing show exactly.

Dan Ilic  16:03  
Like the only people The only people that remember let loose live are comedians who are who would jealous of anyone who gets a TV show on Fox?

Zach Ruane  16:16  
Do you know what strategies This is the second job I brought up, let loose live on my promo to get slightly less slightly less. References

Dan Ilic  16:25  
less live the show that debuted in 2005. It was hosted by Dave O'Neill. It lasted two episodes, it had great people. And unlike Kate McLennan, and Sammy j, and a whole bunch of really old comedians who totally fucked it up. They wanted to create like an SNL for CHANNEL SEVEN. And they had they had these great young talent who were doing good work. And then they had these old talent who were just rolling television, in front of everybody's eyes and in ruining everybody else's chances for making something good in the future. Thankfully, you know that the ronnie Jones half hour came out not long after that, he fixed it

Zach Ruane  16:59  
and saved it all not well. So it seems like synergy. But if you can, if you go back, if you watch our live shows, and listen to our podcast, both broden and I are obsessed with the crown like I've been obsessed with not just the crown I love the queen is one of my favorite movies. And the audience is one of my favorite plays. So Peter Morgan, he just done a lot of stuff about the queen and I'm obsessed with it. And in a very serious like, why, but for some reason, just if something's in your mind long enough, it becomes the comedy. It just sneaks into the company, even if you don't find it funny. So I think we just made a lot of crown references, and then quite by coincidence, it came out a week at the same way.

Dan Ilic  17:41  
While we're just talking about your show, which is why you're here to talk about your show sometimes. I can I just say one of the things I absolutely love about the anti donut show on Netflix is how you've relentlessly put in Australian references and haven't bothered to Americanize them all. And all I could think of was these, this audience is going to be so curious about what four and 20 pies are. What these other references are like, looking thank god they did that because it's such an tion of the of the of the artists.

Zach Ruane  18:14  
Yeah, thank you for mentioning that. I think I keep thinking about it. It's like domain. I think the main thing was it maybe it was subconscious. But we were just like, Netflix are gonna make us go international. They're gonna go change the brands. So like, let's go as hard as humanly possible on the Australian references. Let's just like go really really hard so they miss a few. And that will get out big, long writable thing of lists. And unfortunately, the digest didn't realize kasidy Ringwood was a real Australian references like regional like these

Dan Ilic  18:49  
references.

Zach Ruane  18:50  
Yeah. And then it turns out when you've got like an $8 billion budget and you're and you're making like the crown for 100 million dollars, the little weeds get show in the corner. They just don't give you notes. So they're going after like Saudi Arabia with a foreign 20 reference.

Dan Ilic  19:12  
Speaking of regional Australia, South Australia is back in lockdown, which has caused me panic once again. Toilet paper is off the shelves but more to the point. Bottom shops were hit hard this week. The port Pirie bottle shop owner said told the ABC News that yesterday that is Wednesday when we're recording. They usually make $3,000 on a Wednesday, but so far they've taken $35,000 Yeah. And it's not if it's ago adalet Yes, I call them today just to see if they want to wrap for a chat. It turns out they're actually dead today. Because the reason the reason why that was so busy yesterday is because the government hasn't clarified at that point which is bottle shops are allowed to stay open but once the government's like yeah bottle shops can stay oh but nothing no backup other shops like that. Thankfully the South Australian police have issued some reasons to leave home the Finally I think, you know, we've all heard that government clear government rules is really important in times of stress like this. I don't know if you've seen this let me see if I can show you here the reasons to leave home over here. I don't if you can read this, but it's on the list of reasons to leave home which include visiting a petrol station pharmacy and post office shop. There's also one called home commonly known as bottleshop. This is the official This is the official South Australian police information. I love that. So why South Australia back in lockdown again. Well, a cluster of 17 new cases has been tied to a frontline worker for a quarantine hotel security guard took COVID-19 to his second job at a pizza shop. Now fear mongers It seems to me that we should be probably paying our frontline workers a little bit more said that they don't have to have a second job at this time. Is that to

Virginia Gay  20:59  
slow down what you're crazy? What what? Like actual pay that allows them to live when they are literally protecting us?

Unknown Speaker  21:09  
something something

Dan Ilic  21:10  
something more than minimum wage, perhaps

Virginia Gay  21:13  
something that doesn't force them to compromise their security and the security of the rest of the state

Unknown Speaker  21:18  
what

Dan Ilic  21:19  
crazy slash nation

Unknown Speaker  21:22  
nation?

Zach Ruane  21:23  
It's it's one of those things, isn't it? Like there's been so many things that are like new there are so many things that are that I never thought I'd see or hear that have happened this year. I think my dad my 63 year old dad talking about the casualization of the workforce as a key issue. Probably the man that turns every brand into a plural and he's like, Alright, goodnight. I need to work on these casualization

Unknown Speaker  21:51  
then

Unknown Speaker  21:54  
you told me to shut up.

Lewis Hobba  21:56  
You got to unionize the gig economy.

Virginia Gay  22:00  
Uber rise at night What can you tell me a little more about turning every brand into a plural?

Unknown Speaker  22:06  
Yeah, what is the

Zach Ruane  22:08  
open is do they you know they don't go to Meijer they go to Myers and I gotta say fight I gotta say flies. Like every moment that happens in your life. I've got friends now. You know, I'm only 30 but I've got friends that I like I would go to Safeway so I'm like get done contribute to the world anymore.

Dan Ilic  22:27  
But Zack when when your friends start talking brands in plurals you know they're probably got a bunch of investment property so you can hit them up for a line.

Unknown Speaker  22:35  
Exactly because

Zach Ruane  22:37  
I reckon it's I like looking at the way the world is going. It's only up for investment property.

Lewis Hobba  22:45  
The Adelaide lockdown has been interesting to see just in terms of the the coverage because it's so different to Melbourne lockdowns and obviously, it's still, it's still very new. But it's, it reminds me of I'm the youngest sibling, in my family. And my eldest sibling in my family, my sister is always talking about how she had to do the hardship. Just like mom and dad used to. They had tough rules for me. I couldn't go out it like and then you come along the third person to go through the things and no one cares. You can do whatever you want. Like the coverage of Adelaide is just been like, oh, they're going into lockdown. Now seems like the right thing to do. Like two months ago, it was dictated Dan is like abusing his people you like this is it's the same thing. You've just seen it before.

Virginia Gay  23:40  
And you smell a stain. how incredibly successful it is. No, no, not stays. Everybody. Well done. melva Tribble

Dan Ilic  23:46  
doughnuts coming soon. mezcal musings on YouTube, right? No, Ben is one big investment property. Ain't that the truth? Well, I spoke to the security guards slice pizza shop worker in question a little earlier on today. Well, we've got patient zero in Adelaide on the line. JOHN from COVID brothers pizza. Thanks for joining us, john. Of course, not your real name. No, it's

Unknown Speaker  24:07  
Jonathan Marshall and is reserved for my premium.

Dan Ilic  24:11  
So Jonathan, working security in a covered hotel and making pizza that is a hell of a juggling act right there.

Unknown Speaker  24:17  
Well, because I was an artist.

Dan Ilic  24:19  
Did you ever consider retraining

Unknown Speaker  24:21  
beyond Coronavirus? There's not many good sectors in SI besides daycare, and frankly, that wasn't an option because history shows that comedians really can't be trusted around vulnerable sleepy people with foggy memories.

Dan Ilic  24:33  
So how did pizza enter the picture? Well, my

Unknown Speaker  24:35  
last word cleanse hope staff meetings after hours and titles and pizza. Sorry, I find the union hotline. They sort of have a huge problem because there's so

Unknown Speaker  24:43  
you joined the union.

Unknown Speaker  24:44  
I started making pizza and head of the Union combined with Gary gallon, that stuff when it's pretty big. Right? And

Dan Ilic  24:52  
is this why you started working security at a covid hotel?

Unknown Speaker  24:56  
Yeah, I mean, staff meetings on zoom have really smashed my bottom line. The content that I'm working with in a pandemic, on like pages and quarantine is terrible. I still miss making pages to people. It's vertical integration.

Dan Ilic  25:09  
I think that's actually horizontal integration.

Unknown Speaker  25:15  
horizontal integration if you know too many

Dan Ilic  25:17  
people worried about getting COVID on their pizza,

Unknown Speaker  25:20  
man, it's not the weirdest thing on these put on their faces. Yeah. I mean, if anything, I run the perfect business. I deliver pizzas for businesses under paying their staff painlessly and without complaining that I don't earn enough in my COVID job, but I have to learn like making pizzas. Actually,

Dan Ilic  25:45  
I don't think you can include the word life in a pizza business linked to a COVID outbreak.

Thank you. That was great. Adelaide comedian john Brooks. They're staying in South Australia now. They forced us to drink Cooper's for years now. South Australia is about to export its worst thing since Cory Bernardi. It's a new tax on electric cars. Yeah, the SI Treasurer Rob Lucas reckons it's a done deal. And to him, it makes sense to put a tax on cars that don't pollute. What do you expect from a state that calls itself South Australia that's actually further north than three other states. To talk to us through the dumbest tax ever. It's no assurance by a director of the strategy true for South Australia. Now, thanks for joining us on irrational fear. Hi, everybody, thanks for having me. Now, one who is trying to implement this tax and why

Noah Schultz-Byard  26:36  
the state government in the budget that was just handed down last week announced in their hidden away just a couple of sentences, saying that they're thinking about looking at maybe next year, probably but we don't know what it's gonna look like yet. Implementing a special tax just for electric vehicles. We at the Australia Institute were harking back to the language of Tony Abbott and effectively calling it a great big new tax on not polluting. It's like you've got this great new technology that's coming along in Australia, we're not very good at buying them yet. We should get a lot better at buying them. If there's proper policies in place, a lot more of us would own them. We need more of them. So what does the government think we should do? We should slap a tax on it. It's a it's the opposite of what's needed as Bay Jafari at the electric vehicle Council says, you know, we have tobacco excise on cigarettes to try and you know, help people encourage them not to smoke. This is like someone giving up cigarettes, and then you're slapping with attacked, because they're not paying the tobacco excise anymore. It's craziness. We think it shouldn't go ahead. We're hoping I won't go ahead. We'll see what happens.

Dan Ilic  27:50  
Yeah, I happen to how does it How does it even get this far? Like how does a tax it's so dumb, get this get like, get to the treasurer's desk and get to the point where the chairs like, yeah, I think we're gonna do this dumb thing.

Noah Schultz-Byard  28:03  
It's a bit of a mystery. It's really counterintuitive, but a couple of the states have been talking about going down this road. Over the years. It's really counterintuitive. I say, because South Australia, along with other states have recently been announcing some pretty good electric vehicle policy. So just two weeks ago, I think it was the state government announced that they were going to roll out hundreds of rapid charges across the state. So we can have a network of electric vehicle fast charges that are also going to convert the entire government fleet to electric cars over the next 10 years. So you know, you are doing this good stuff on one hand, and then he comes budget time and PAL sneaky surprise, electric vehicle tax comes out of nowhere.

Dan Ilic  28:49  
So but how did that how does this tax, get it get to the Treasury tax? Like how does it even you know, where did the idea come from?

Noah Schultz-Byard  28:56  
So a few different. It's generally discussed in policy circles. There's one organization called infrastructure partnerships, Australia that has been pushing the idea for a while and in, in a lot of policy and tax conversations, this sort of thing comes up. It's there is actually an argument to be made for a road user charge, which is what this what they're calling this, but I mean, this is getting probably a little bit geeky, but do it. There's a whole bunch of things that go towards raising revenue. So that's car red Joe, luxury car tax, that's the fuel excise that's paid for petrol, compulsory in a whole bunch of things get you know that we pay to have cars and use the road. You could get rid of all of those things and charge people for using the road how much they use it each year, what time of day they use it. They use it when it's really busy charging more if you go into like a super busy city where it's really expensive to build the infrastructure to make that work and there's low competition to use them. Structure charge the more for that and charge everybody, you know petrol cars and electric cars across the same way if that's one way that you want to get rid of all these old taxes and charge something new or unfair? Sure, well, that's a conversation we can have. But just coming along and saying, we're gonna have an extra special new tax that will just pop on electric vehicles, you know, in Australia, point 2% of cars, or electric vehicles, and I feel like attacks on that is like putting a tax on trying to save an endangered species. You know, like, we

Unknown Speaker  30:29  
want more of these things.

Noah Schultz-Byard  30:31  
It's like going out and finding a baby club. So you and your saver, gonna pay five bucks to the government. It just doesn't make any sense.

Unknown Speaker  30:37  
Yeah.

Dan Ilic  30:38  
Which is why I burn a koala awake, just you know, just in case. Yeah,

Lewis Hobba  30:44  
it's so weird that this is happening in all places of South Australia, a place that is essentially owes its electricity grid to Tesla. Like it just as a giant Tesla battery. There is a man who is the biggest like one of the biggest manufacturers of electric cars, essentially in control of their power grid. And they're going, oh, let's piss off a long. Thank you. We'll go back to blackouts. he'll pull you back in blackout town satellite.

Zach Ruane  31:12  
Admittedly, also, it is the state that it took a crazy man on Twitter to convince them to try that. battery and they're like, all right.

Unknown Speaker  31:26  
What can go wrong? You don't get

Noah Schultz-Byard  31:29  
exactly what is glad he was willing to come here. You know, a very cool visit of South Australia will take him.

Lewis Hobba  31:36  
Brooks doing just getting to do another tweet that seems to be

Noah Schultz-Byard  31:41  
just sorted out like that. It's tough. You know, you're tweeting because solve the world's problems. I will be there in the next couple of years, I reckon on each one of us.

Dan Ilic  31:48  
Should I be worried about this? No, I should be worried. Should I go down to my mechanic and ask them how to convert my Tesla series three into a petrol car?

Noah Schultz-Byard  31:57  
We hope not. So in South Australia, the labour opposition, the greens opposition and some of the crossbenchers have already said, Well, well, this is a crazy idea and we don't support it. So this idea looks effectively dead on arrival, it can't pass the parliament with that amount of opposition. So things look good in South Australia, the big risk is if other states also start seeing this and thinking, you know, hello, hello, could get a bit of revenue out of this and start trying to implement something themselves, we hope, you know, there's been a very strong, reasonable negative reaction to this idea in sa hopefully that will discourage other jurisdictions from going down the same path?

Dan Ilic  32:37  
No, is it really a revenue question? Because as you say, the revenue is so minuscule, or is it something else?

Noah Schultz-Byard  32:42  
So in the budget papers, there's normally a lot of detail for how these policies are going to work and how much they'll make and how much it costs to implement them. There was none of that there was just a couple of sentences saying, Yeah, we might have a crack at this, we don't know exactly what it's gonna look like, or how it's gonna work. But there was a line in the papers that said, do go on, there was this secret little line in this field section of the budget, you know, you open the plastic to get to the triple X ray for separate information at the boat,

Lewis Hobba  33:11  
we're across.

Noah Schultz-Byard  33:16  
Work with fantasy for this is my nerd, you know, going deep into the data fantasy. So the secret shame in the budget document said, you know, there are so few electric vehicles on the road as it is. And over the next four years, there's probably not going to be many more anyway. So it's gonna raise stuff or money, even as it is less than a million dollars a year. So there's a tacit recognition in there, that there's not going to be an increase taken on electric vehicles, it's not going to raise much money, it's going to suppress the uptake of electric vehicles. So you know, why are we even doing it? It's hard to know.

Virginia Gay  33:52  
Because Lex Luthor has gotten some sort of information about electric vehicles like this is full supervillain stuff, but in a deeply data sealed section kind of way.

Lewis Hobba  34:05  
Yeah, I like the idea of a data filter. It makes you feel like the Delhi doctor is routing policy.

Noah Schultz-Byard  34:12  
Are you taking the quiz? It turns out if you're into budget paper three, you're your nerd on the nerd quiz.

Dan Ilic  34:18  
Noah, Rob Lucas, this set SS Treasurer said that another state is looking at it. Do you know what state is looking at

Noah Schultz-Byard  34:25  
it? New South Wales have said in the last week that they're potentially looking at it and a bit over a year ago, I think it was the Victorian Government said that they would be you know, willing to take a look at it. So like I said, it's definitely an idea that's knocking around people. People want to look at it. There's just there's so much better ways you could potentially go around about it rather than just slapping a blunt instrument of this tax just on electric vehicles. So we hope at least in this, the form that it's been semi announced in South Australia isn't what people decide to do

Dan Ilic  35:00  
well no, thank you so much for being part of irrational fear tonight and I noticed you're ready for lockdown in the back of your screen. It's very clear. Look at all those board games ready to go. You've got like 15,000 board games

Noah Schultz-Byard  35:14  
one day into lockdown. I've played almost all of them the liquor cabinet is dry,

burning everything

Unknown Speaker  35:22  
to keep me going Excellent. Well

Dan Ilic  35:24  
that's it for irrational vision. I big thank you to all our all of our guests. Noah shows by Zachary Ruane of Virginia gay Louis harbor. If you got anything to plug Zach, is there anything you want to kind of get out there into the world to let people know about?

Zach Ruane  35:37  
I haven't seen any of the crowns season four yet. I'm very excited to say what he does with that shop. Also known as Big House of fun. I really should I've been a bit cheeky You know, I've just been promoting the crown. But I need my help me known as big ol House of fun on Netflix. Think if you're a boomer and you're listening, it's like the goodies if you're young, it's like South Park. I don't care. It's like everything you love, but we it

Dan Ilic  36:05  
isn't like Studio 10 at all. I love Studio 10 Yeah, that's a bit like Studio 10. Virginia, do you have anything to plug?

Virginia Gay  36:14  
I've got theater shows that are coming out next year if theater exists next year, so wear your mask and make sure I can do them. Thank you very much,

Dan Ilic  36:22  
Louis. You got anything to plug? Uh, no,

Lewis Hobba  36:25  
not really save all I'm on the radio come and say hello.

Unknown Speaker  36:28  
No shows spired you're gonna think the plug

Noah Schultz-Byard  36:31  
the Australia Institute, ta ai.org.au. It's where we do all of our awesome research that will hopefully squash things like the electric vehicle tax. Go there. Read the research donate if you want to. It's a cracking website full of really nerdy stuff.

Dan Ilic  36:45  
Great. big thank you to rode mics the birth of foundation going into our Patreon supporters Jacob brown on the tepanyaki timeline big contributions this week from john Brooks Rupa de Gass, Kilian, David and Maddy Palmer, Dave blow sane, and some other great folks who hang out in our Discord. Now, before we leave you tonight, we've actually heard this in trouble in America. We haven't heard from Donald Trump in a few days. He's been very quiet. But I do have a leak tape which might tell us why.

Unknown Speaker  37:16  
It's me. President Trump still president just calling to say that I'm not coming in today. Okay. Um, Mr. President, certainly, sir. Are you feeling okay? I'm feeling great. I'm just feeling a little bit under the weather but I'm not coming in. I'm having a mental health day. Need some me time? And that's fine, sir. Hope you get better soon. We'll see you tomorrow. No, not gonna come in tomorrow either. I don't have to. You can't make me. I'm the president. I need more me time tomorrow to Okay. Yes, sir. Pardon my asking sir, but this hasn't got anything to do with you know, the other day what what the other day? What are you talking about? I played golf. Big deal. Great game. Tremendous game. I had the highest round ever. It was huge. Yes, sir. That and the young. The election. Yeah. And that well, I won the election. I wanted I then won some golf. No big deal. So much winning. I'm sick of winning. Sick of winning. I need a day off. All right. And I need another day off tomorrow. I need some me time. All right. All right, sir. So you didn't see the Joe Biden speech on TV sleepy Joe? sleepy Joe's speech on TV. I caught some of it horrible, horrible, worst concession speech ever believe me, sir. He didn't even mention that he lost Can you believe that? What a loser. a sore loser nasty loser. He's nasty. Nasty, so you won't accept defeat sir Sure. I accept his defeat Of course I do. You didn't want Oh, yes. I did. I alternatively one by a lot. Believe me. He fake What? Sir. People are saying you need to face reality, sir. Now you listen here. My reality is great. It's the best reality there is. Believe me. Everyone else's reality is wrong. That's everybody else's is wrong. All right. All right. Okay, sir. So you're calling in sick for today and tomorrow. And the day after that, too? Yeah. What three days? Three days now actually make it three months? A bit under the weather. A bit of me time. All right, more me time than Lincoln. Okay, I gotta go back to bed now. Oh, it's so early. Oh, 11am. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

Unknown Speaker  39:47  
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Each month on the A Rational Fear podcast feed we deliver long-form conversations with leaders in climate action from Australia and around the world. This is Episode 3 of Greatest Moral Podcast of Our Generation.

This week we have two incredible voices.

Yessie Mosby is part of the ‘Torres Strait 8', a group of Torres Strait islanders who are taking the Australian Government to the UN Human Rights Council for their lack of climate action. Which, as you can imagine if you live in the Torres Strait, is quite the existential problem. And I also chat with Sophie Marjanac, is the lawyer driving the complaint.

This is a fascinating chat. If you're like me, and live in a major city in Australia, it's easy to be dismissive of sea-level rise as something that will effect other countries, other islands. Not our country.

But for those in the Torres Strait sea-level rise is ALREADY putting an entire culture, an entire race under threat. It's fitting that this podcast's schedule serendipitously lines up with NAIDOC week.

Big thanks also to my Bertha Fellow colleague, Linh Do, for covering the climate news up the top of the podcast with me. 

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Bertha Announcement  0:00  
This podcast is supported in part by the Bertha Foundation.

Yessie Mosby  0:04  
Please help us we're here we need help. When we sit here in Ireland we sit, we sit as Australians. When we stand and we hold hands and we sing the national anthem, it states and we sing it with pride for let us all rejoice, advanced Australia fee and shouldn't that be recognised? Like we should be all you know, standing and supporting each other, being Australians. 

Dan Ilic  0:29  
G'day, welcome to the Greatest Moral Podcast of Our Generation. Joining me is Linh Do Hello, Linh. Hey, Dan, how are you doing?

I'm good. This is our third greatest moral podcast of our generation. We are making headway here. Last week's was or last month rather, was with Asha Gunzburg and Mike cannon Brookes, which I thought was pretty good. Actually. It was great.

Linh Do  0:48  
I had so much positive feedback. And I think so much disbelief that you and I could relay in such big talent.

Dan Ilic  0:54  
That's right. So Bill Gates, if you're out there, give us a call.

Linh Do  0:58  
We're ready. We're ready. Now,

Dan Ilic  1:01  
this is on the irrational fear feed. It happens once a month it is chats with climate leaders and the guests this month. Absolutely, undeniably, climate leaders, and you'll find out a little bit more about them just in a second. Before we do that, just want to thank our new Patreon supporters, Damian Payne and Philip both beads very nice of you. If you want to support a rational fear, and the greatest podcast of our generation, you need to go to patreon.com forward slash irrational fear. Another way you can support irrational fears to offset the carbon emissions from your car with go neutral for every $90 sticker go neutral by 3.5 tonnes of carbon offsets, which is about the average yearly emissions for a car and five bucks of that comes to us and you get a little sticker get to put it on the back of your car gets a virtual signal to all those other fossil fuel burning machines out there.

Linh Do  1:49  
It's how everyone wants to be stuck in traffic behind a self righteous person. There's you know, carbon offsetting all of their emissions. That's right. Yeah,

Dan Ilic  1:56  
there's people behind you. Oh, God, no, that is better than me. Whatever. I'm recording my end of the greatest model podcast of our generation on the land of the gadigal. In urination, sovereignty was never stated, We need a treaty. Let's stop the shot. Despite

Unknown Speaker  2:11  
global warming. A rational fear is adding a little more hot air with long form discussions with climate leaders. Good.

Unknown Speaker  2:23  
This is called Don't be fried. Here heat waves and drove greatest mass extinction. We're facing a manmade disaster,

Unknown Speaker  2:32  
podcast, climate criminals.

Unknown Speaker  2:37  
ration all of this with the global warming and

Unknown Speaker  2:42  
a lot of it's a hoax. Book, right? A small podcast about generation for short, all right, let's

Dan Ilic  2:48  
get let's get straight into the climate news for this month, Victoria is going to be home to the largest battery in the southern hemisphere. Hey, you're a Victorian How does that make you feel?

Linh Do  2:59  
Makes me feel great between COVID locked down one of the longest in Australia and you know, proof that sometimes bigger is better. I'm super excited to be home to the biggest battery. This is

Dan Ilic  3:09  
great. This is like a classic pissing contest between Victoria and South Australia. This one is is also a Tesla battery. But it's going to be double the size of the South Australian veterinary.

Linh Do  3:19  
It's all about competition. Although I have to say it's a is it lagging behind? I thought they've got their new renewable hydrogen project that's going to come online sometime soon. So I guess maybe Victoria is going to get a new hydrogen project soon as well.

Dan Ilic  3:32  
Everyone should have a new hydrogen project. It's like what you do in 2021? Do you know Do you know anything more about that hydrogen project?

Linh Do  3:38  
No, no. Well, other than it's that interesting thing where hydrogen can be renewable. And sometimes it isn't renewable as well. So I think it's important to note that this one will be renewable. And that essays already sourcing half of its energy from wind or solar, which is pretty, pretty awesome.

Dan Ilic  3:54  
I saw this week that solar has made up 44% of electricity in the grid in Australia this week, which is pretty amazing.

Linh Do  4:02  
It is it's all of these numbers that I think we rarely get to hear about when you just listen to the climate news. It's all doom and gloom, and you're like, wait, Australia, all of these things are happening.

Dan Ilic  4:12  
Well, in speaking of doom and gloom, the USA is out of the Paris Climate accord as of this week, but don't fret, because Joe Biden, who is of course, as we know, is President Elect said last week today, the Trump administration official left the Paris Climate Agreement and in exactly 77 days, a Biden administration will rejoin it. Now the good easy healing is that it took two years for the USA to get out of the Paris Agreement, but it only is it's only gonna take about 30 days for them to get back in.

Linh Do  4:41  
So for exciting party in the USA party in the Paris Agreement, it's all the good news to come. But I think more importantly than just Biden. Getting back on board with the Paris Agreement is all the plans and initiatives he has in place a $2 trillion climate plan which seems really unthinkable in Australia and hopefully that means We'll start to pick up and not be left behind

Dan Ilic  5:02  
nerd do anything that will get you $2 trillion is if you have a sportsground in a marginal electorate, and you need a women's change room.

Linh Do  5:11  
This is why there are so many football fields nearly I think that now have all of these like construction works happening I've noticed during COVID

Dan Ilic  5:19  
this is going to be hard for the democrats coming into this because of course, climate change previously used to be something in the near future, but it is happening right now climate effects are happening. So rapidly. Extreme weather is causing so much havoc across the world and the USA, so they're going to have to really work hard at trying to convince people to do the right thing here. One interesting, big power broker, john Podesta, who is a notorious lobbyist, himself running the Hillary Clinton campaigns, he is actually joining hands with the sunrise movement to try and get fossil fuel lobbyists out of the Biden Harris White House, which is incredible.

Linh Do  6:01  
There's nothing like the old establishment joining with the new establishment to actually forge the new way forward. I don't think any world really wants to see just john Podesta running things or just sunrise running things. So hopefully they'll forge a new future of what's politically possible. What is it Obama

Dan Ilic  6:15  
says? The arc of history bends towards justice, but but zigs and zags? Is that what he says?

Linh Do  6:22  
It's just really one big scribble.

Unknown Speaker  6:23  
Yeah, it depends. He's

Unknown Speaker  6:24  
drawing.

Dan Ilic  6:25  
Let's just touch on this Lynn jar fits given his left the front bench of the Labour Party over climate change. Finally, Mr. Call himself member for hunter has said See you later. I am out of here. There's no way labour can win. If they take up a strong climate change position, which I don't necessarily think is true. I think he's going to be eating his words in about one year's time.

Linh Do  6:49  
Yeah, but there's nothing like getting out of the way. I think if you're gonna be a soak about things all the time and not a team player, just get out of the way for people who are ready to do the work. So we're all for it.

Dan Ilic  6:58  
It fits given notoriously on the right hand side of the Labour factions. He's been copying it not only from the left hand faction, but also the right faction. Some members of parliament on the right faction of labour called him the idiot from the hunter.

Unknown Speaker  7:12  
Hmm.

Linh Do  7:14  
So many people were saying goodbye, sir. In recent weeks with all these political announcements,

Dan Ilic  7:20  
now, the other big news using bullshit now Adani is changing their name. Indian energy giant Danny is changing the name from Adani to the bravest mining and resources company. According to Adani, bravest means brave in Latin, but according to Latin experts, it doesn't quite mean brave Lin.

Linh Do  7:43  
Exactly. It feels like no one at the Adani or bravest Corporation went to a private school where if you had one of those school blazers growing up, you would know that Fortis is what means brave and courageous. So even if you'd watched anything said in that sort of Roman Roman times, but it actually means krooked to formed some sort of mercenary, I've got a very apt

Dan Ilic  8:04  
and a new professor said it means barbarians and Desperado or an assassin, although that is absolutely delightful that you have this coal company going in there trying to pretend to be noble, but in fact, what the reality is, is that they aren't and this is

Linh Do  8:24  
exactly it's sort of a rose by any other name. I guess a disastrous climate project by any other name still is just as disastrous. This harkens back

Dan Ilic  8:33  
to the time when they paid change their name in 2001, to be honest, petroleum. And I think I think it was only like four years later, they were like, let's get rid of the beyond petroleum. We don't.

Linh Do  8:44  
But it was like a really good payoff stop for a while. And I think anytime very sort of name changes happen. I always have to pause and check myself. Is this someone powering the company? Or is this actually real news? Or is this fake news and can't believe it in this case with the Adani situation it Israel.

Dan Ilic  9:01  
And one last bit of good news, a young Queensland man, Mark mcbay has made his Superfund one of Australia's biggest take the risks of climate change seriously, he took rest super to court, basically, because they weren't transparent on how their investments were polluting the world. And now rest has kind of come to this agreement that that not only they will be net zero emissions, but also the investments they have in their Superfund will be net zero as well, which is pretty interesting.

Linh Do  9:28  
Yeah, it's great that the good news coming out of Queensland isn't just the State of Origin of results, but also something that hopefully will Bode really well for all of the other climate litigation claims out there in Australia, these lawyer

Dan Ilic  9:40  
David bond and we've had on rational fear in the past. You may remember David Bandon from irrational fear when he was putting together class action with teenagers suing the government for their future. Now he's gone done this rest super case and coming up, he's got a case where he's taking to court the Commonwealth equities, basically saying that you No, you can't buy bonds in Australia, because Australian bonds are going to be worth nothing because climate catastrophes are going to wipe us out.

Linh Do  10:07  
Yep, yep. And I think it's, you know, it gets a little bit nitty gritty and in legalese and can feel a bit boring. But I think the precedent that they set is really important, not just for those climate litigation cases, but what every other Superfund in Australia now has to do, regardless if they claim to be ethical or otherwise, because no one wants to be taken to court by one of their members.

Dan Ilic  10:27  
You're absolutely right there. And I think this is a big win for David bond. And I think like he said, in the last year, he's had three big cases come to the front and setting precedents for all those things. I think there are really quiet people out there who are just chipping away with their own power to make things happen. And I think people like that are pretty extraordinary.

Linh Do  10:46  
Exactly. I think, if you will, Superfund hasn't yet divested from fossil fuels. Definitely. Now is the time to write them a quick letter and say, hey, look at what's happening with breast suepo. What are you going to do in response?

Dan Ilic  10:57  
pS, if you want to do an out of court settlement, My phone number is

you're listening to the greatest moral podcast about generation. So for today's good book, I speak with two people who are at the front of a legal and existential fight for climate action. Yes, he must be and Sophie marjanovic are taking the Australian Government to the United Nations over their willful neglect of human rights due to their lack of climate action. It's two interviews one after the other. Yes, he was on the phone from his home in mastic, which is also known as York Island. So it's a bit crackly and I caught Sophie first thing in the morning in London, so it's quickly for another reason. We both have a tide. Yes, he must be is an artist and craftsman who lives on massive Island, so called York Island. In the corner of the Torres Strait. Massive is a remote teardrop shaped coral cay island that is closer to Papua New Guinea than the Australian continent. It's a tropical paradise. It's home for Yes, his family and they can trace their history on that island for thousands and thousands of years. But this fragile place at the top of the Torres Strait is disappearing, the land is slowly being washed away by rising sea levels. And yes, he and his family, the land is everything. It's their culture, their religion, their library, their encyclopaedia, it's their town hall, it's where they've stored their stories of their family and their ancestors for over 60,000 years. And in the last couple of decades, they've been losing it bit by bit. So for YesI this fight is purely existential. And as Australians wave let him down, as well as being an award winning artist. Yes, he is also the power plant attendant of the island. And I had a chat with him a couple of weeks ago, as he was walking to the power plant to get the generator running. After a few minutes of small talk, I just leapt into the big questions.

Can you remember the first time you ever heard of the idea of global warming or climate change?

Yessie Mosby  13:08  
Back in the days in the 90s? We didn't understand about it and none of the elders here in the village. Understand that. And back in the days, we were told, like Wait, wait, we stand on the beach, they would tell us like this needs to be the bush and the island needs to be right right out there is the beach. It's been taken away and eaten even in the 90s even in the 90s you're

Dan Ilic  13:33  
recognising that land was being taken away from you?

Yessie Mosby  13:39  
Yes, but not as not as now like when when I mean land has been taken away like a metre would be taken away in a year or so. And gradually it's been washed away. But now I'll give you an incident about April month last year. We've seen in just in that one day we seen three metres taken taken away just in in a matter of hours. Oh my god and we've seen we've seen our home washed away and we see no ancestral remains to be take like the sea was taking our ancestors remains out our genealogy online is has been washed away some we try to save some we could not save. Two years ago I was my wife line. My bloodline my wife's bloodline me and my case. We were running down on the beach and helping families to pick up my wife thing sixth generation My wife is and picked up a remains tried to save what what we called her but the second emendation took her oh my

Dan Ilic  14:43  
gosh, that must have been pretty stressful. How are you feeling on that day? What what kind of thoughts were going through your your brain and your heart on that day?

Yessie Mosby  14:53  
Looking at that like looking like on that particular day? automatically like you it was it was Like, it's a must, you have to do it, and stuff like that. Otherwise, my children won't see, you know, their bloodline or their ancestors, practically, if it wasn't for her, they wouldn't be here today. It was like, a fight for trying to save it from Mother Nature. But Mother Nature, practically took us a night and took all of the remains. It's it's like a whitewash now out from our line each way, you know, where you could go and say, and identify a loved one and, and tell our children like this grant, great, great, great grandmother here. This is what she's for you. And you don't we don't have anything there now to go and say this, this is your grandmother, like she's not there anymore. It was tough in a way to explain to the kids because like, you know, no kid should be walking in picking up the ancestors remains, you know, they should walk on the beach with their family and pick up shells and stuff like that.

Dan Ilic  15:58  
I can't agree with you more.

Unknown Speaker  15:58  
Tell me about

Dan Ilic  16:01  
growing up in the 90s. And how back to that moment, you're talking about how folks didn't quite understand what was happening. When did you you personally notice that things were changing in the environment around you,

Yessie Mosby  16:12  
personally, personally, it started here in 2000, when I moved back out, and I realised that when we had some scientists coming out, and they were predicting about, we most probably will be, will be have to be relocated, and stuff like that. That's when it got me thinking now and had my thinking caps on and said, Well, this is not like, you know, it could be stopped in a certain way. Yes, and that's what driven me to understand. And to go a bit deeper into understanding that what's happening now, there is, you know, there is something behind that, which is causing all of this. So it wasn't like through my through the 90s. And stuff like that we weren't so much educated in about in about climate change, and global warming. Yeah.

Dan Ilic  17:04  
So how did you learn? How did what were the things you did to kind of learn and how did you share that knowledge with others?

Yessie Mosby  17:11  
Well, we had a lady she used to work here, she became a good friend, and she's not a part of her life. She's a part of our clan, now part of our family and, and she helped us I really well, personally and asked, but I really need to know more, I want to know more. Because it was out of fear. I was fearing about my children and their children after them.

Dan Ilic  17:33  
What kind of role did she have? Was she a teacher? Or Was she a scientist, so

Yessie Mosby  17:38  
she's a lawyer, a lawyer. And she used to work here in the tourist rate. And she looked and understand that we didn't understand being so remote out from mainland Australia and living so in such a remote area, she noticed that we knew what was happening. But we really didn't know what was the cause of what's so she started to give us a witness. When the scientists came out. Now, that's when my eyes opened and stuff like that. And the field struck me. What year was that? She was here like five years ago. But I really practically sat down with her to know and gain more knowledge about all of this see what's happening two years ago, right. And when she was here, she was here and witnessing right at the same time, because all the airlines had to be shut down. No planes could fly in and no planes could fly out. So they got stranded here. And while they were stranded here, they've seen exactly now what we face every monsoon season. Is that, Sophie maronick. That's, that's correct. Yes.

Dan Ilic  18:45  
So 2016, she came out to the Torres Strait to check it out and have a look around. And only a couple years ago, that's when really a major education kind of process was happening with people that live on the island. On the islands. It feels like all of a sudden, you've been hit with something that is unexpected, whereas a lot of other people around the country probably knew a lot more. It must be must feel really strange to learn something that a whole bunch of other people you knew about, and must feel rude that no one ever told you about it.

Yessie Mosby  19:23  
Yeah, we always asked people to come and invite like we've invited the government to come to come to our island to have a look for their eyes and look what we what we see every day the changes in the life life, how it's changed dramatically. The field which I still even still today have is we don't want to be refugees in our own country. We have a right to live in Australia should be a country which should be so proud that Australia is the only country in the world who has totally two different race of indigenous People who live on the country which has been over been here for over 60,000 years. Yeah, title and blues one is like an amputation within the Torres Strait people because what like when I was talking earlier in how the blood connections and how are we connected to the other neighbouring tribes, and stuff like that, and to lose an island within them probably next 30 to 50 years is devastating. And it's, it will affect people even more mentally, physically and spiritually mushy. The beautiful thing about my home, the aura around this island, it welcomes you, when you fly around my island and you come down to land. The island welcomes you before you even touch your foot on the island. And when you walk here, this whole island is sacred to us because our our ancestral remains is scattered right through this island. This island is not only an island, which provided us with shelter, protection and food and water. It's our library. It's our school. It's a maternity ward. Our grandparents got no gave birth on this island. We felt Well, our families on this island, our whole language, our genealogy, all I need is played and based upon this island. And not only the people living here on Laci, but also the families who, which was married out and blessed. other islands around the tourist illustrate who have blood connection back to this island. This island is love. This island is powerful. And

Dan Ilic  21:49  
it's it's sacred. It's at home. What kind of conversations are you having with your families and friends about climate change right now? Like what what do you talk about?

Yessie Mosby  22:02  
We always talk about every time when it comes to the full moon time when it comes to the peak of the king tides. We talk about a lot, especially when the Wind Rises and stuff like that. It's it concerns, it leaves great concerns to us. Yeah. And we always talk about like, how can we try and save what we have? And how can we try and preserve what we have now from further inundation and further erosion?

Dan Ilic  22:31  
How does it feel to know that your people are not necessarily responsible for climate change yet your people must be the first to immediately adapt and change yourselves and your culture. Because of it doesn't

Yessie Mosby  22:48  
make you angry. It makes us feel like you know, it makes us feel like little kids were like little kids where they you know, get they being neglected. They being child abuse. That's what we feel, right? We're feeling because we know contributors to what's happening now. But yet we are the first ones to get the pain. We're the first ones to get caught when we're suffering. Yeah.

Dan Ilic  23:14  
Does it feel lonely in that same respect?

Yessie Mosby  23:17  
It feels lonely in this respect here because when we cry out, we're not being heard. Yeah. We're trying our best and we're trying to go through every like we know the saying that like, you know, when one door is closed, there's many more will open. So we are running now and trying to open every single doors and seeking help. The funny thing is our forefathers, my both of my grandfathers. They joined the army to fight for the country, all of us and with our forefathers, our grandparents. They've all contributed so much to Australia to the government. And yet they were still fighting in the backyard and trying to get like you know, recognises they're like, like, please help us we're here we need help. When we sit here in Ireland, we sit we sit as indigenous Australians, we sit as Australians, when we stand and we hold hands and we sing the national anthem. It states and we sing it with pride for let us all rejoice advance Australia fee and shouldn't that be recognised? Like we should be all you know, standing and supporting each other? Being Australian YesI.

Dan Ilic  24:37  
I want to know about this un project. Tell me what are you doing about taking the Australian Government to task of climate action at the UN? How does that work?

Yessie Mosby  24:47  
First of all, we invited the Australian Government to come up to our home to to to to have a look in what we're facing. He refused our invitation which made us go For the further, like I was saying earlier that

Dan Ilic  25:04  
our voice is not being met with singing up for help, the only thing we want is to reduce all the ammunition, the thing for the mining and stuff like that, by reducing them, it'll give us a better chance to live longer here on our island. And this is why we're taking the next step to the UN, it must feel so unfair that a one group of Australians can profit off the missions that are going out. And yet, your home is literally being taken away from you because of it. And because of other people around the world. That just must feel so unfair. so unfair.

Yessie Mosby  25:46  
It's so unfair, it's just like we're running around screaming our heads off. And only only our only, like, you know, only we are hearing her own voice.

Dan Ilic  25:56  
Tell me more about the United Nations project. How did you develop this idea

Yessie Mosby  26:01  
really made us to go down this path because of the Paris Agreement. And we said like, if there's not gonna like things, if the government's not gonna respond to us and stuff like that, this is where we're gonna go. So we see elk. And the lady Sophie came up and said, she would love to help us and support us in this.

Dan Ilic  26:22  
Great and where are you now? what's what's the, what are the next steps with this project?

Yessie Mosby  26:28  
The next step now is if it's like a waiting game, but it's most probably gonna be next year, the COVID-19 is playing a very big part, which now is like, actually, like a waiting game.

Dan Ilic  26:40  
You don't have a lot of time to wait,

Yessie Mosby  26:43  
no. As as you're waiting, where, where we're looking at a home, getting eaten away? Have you met other people around the world

Dan Ilic  26:52  
who support your cause?

Yessie Mosby  26:55  
We we've met through like, zoom link up, and a lot of feedback we get from the petition of violence at home, we have big more like support which, which from our mother's mother country, Australia, and throughout the world, as well, to see that they are supporting us is like, you know, lift us up more?

Dan Ilic  27:22  
What are the young people who lives and work in the Torres Strait? How do they react to climate change? And what are their views about the future? Are they hopeful

Yessie Mosby  27:34  
for them, like when we when when when I sit and talk to other other young youth here on machine, they look at the future, there's no sunshine at the end of the tunnel. They just living life, as we live life now and trying to save what we can. The great fear of their means. having their children living down on mainland Australia, who don't have the sacred connection back to country,

Dan Ilic  28:03  
the sort of that must make you feel incredibly disconnected,

Yessie Mosby  28:07  
big time, very, very much become disconnected. What we what we practice, in our traditional customary laws won't be the same if we're going to be trying to practice in our, you know, traditional culture somewhere else. It's going to be loss of connection to our country, to our culture, and our like likelihood,

Dan Ilic  28:30  
if worst comes to worst, and you have to move country. Do you think there is hope to rebuild culture?

Yessie Mosby  28:36  
I don't know. Being a cultural person myself. I've grew up around very strong cultural upbringing. And I can see that it's not going to happen. At this moment. Our families who resides down in mainland Australia we have a we have the cultural link which connects them back to country.

Dan Ilic  28:59  
What about see you? Yes. A what hope do you have a about drastic action that this government will take in the next couple of years?

Yessie Mosby  29:07  
I'm believing in faith. And I know that the Australia government will eventually act upon their words and help us. I really don't want to go down in the negativities and think about negativities. But you know, every, every now and then negativities, come come into my mind. But I'm trying to stand on positivity and try and think positive about the outcome would be great, and it will be a success. And our home will be saved.

Dan Ilic  29:38  
YesI thank you so much for joining us on irrational fear. And thank you so much for sharing your story about Messick. It sounds like a beautiful place and I hope one day COVID will be over and we can come and do a live show in the Torres Strait for you.

Yessie Mosby  29:54  
It wouldn't be such a blessing if us could come up and use you use will be much more welcome But we will we will be holding a big feast for you. Oh, well,

Dan Ilic  30:05  
if I, if I get to come up, maybe I can. I'll tweet Scott Morrison from Torres Strait Island and tell him I'm there and he can come up to

Yessie Mosby  30:13  
it would be great.

Dan Ilic  30:15  
You know who you know what would be great would be, it'd be great for you to build a house for Andrew bolt. beachside, a beautiful house and call it the Andrew bolt house and convinced Andrew bolt to move to first to move to Messick. And so he can see what a beautiful place it is added. So you can you can be convinced that climate change isn't happening.

Yessie Mosby  30:45  
I'll probably try building a leaf house, a traditional house. So you have a full insight in how we live.

Dan Ilic  31:00  
It's such a stark kind of reminder, when you're talking about singing the National Anthem, and being Australian, and having a culture that is so unique and separated from the homogenous Australia we all consume in the big cities. It's such a precious thing that you have that I feel like so many people don't realise that we have it together. And I it would be such a shame to to lose it because we were being ignorant and and we ran out of time. And we just decided to burn more coal instead. Yeah. What is the best way that people who live in so called Australia can support you? What is what is something everyday Australians who are living in capital cities? Who probably don't think a lot about the tourist, right? Yep. how can how can they support you?

Yessie Mosby  31:54  
We have a website, which is called our islands, our home.org. And you just type that in Google our islands, our home.org

Dan Ilic  32:08  
there is a petition, it'll only take you a minute to to sign a petition. But by your signing of the petition, we'll save an ancient race of people to be refugees in their own country. Your support will save a race of people we could stay and still seeing from our own soil advanced Australia fee. It's a privilege to talk with you. It's a privilege to share your story on on my podcast. And I want everyone who's listening to this to encourage them to go to the our island our home webpage and put their name on the petition and let that group of people know that that your voice is important as well. Yes, he Thank you so much.

Yessie Mosby  32:54  
Thank you. You have a blessed day.

Dan Ilic  32:56  
That was YesI moseby. Lane, have you met any of the Tara stripe complainants before?

Linh Do  33:02  
Yes, I have had the good fortune of meeting some of the terrorists right eight before and hearing the story. I think just as you were saying, it's always a reminder of how sad the possible climate impacts could be in this country where some of the first refugees will say will be some of our First Nations people, but also still really hurtful and inspiring to say how they're taking legal action. They're doing what they can, and it's up to us not to feel pity for them. But actually, how do we stand in solidarity is always the question I have in mind.

Dan Ilic  33:34  
Yeah, and how can we value this culture more and recognise that Fuck, like, we could lose an entire race of people, an entire culture will disappear if we don't take action.

Linh Do  33:48  
Yeah, it's really I think, unnerving to actually be reminded of that. It's just very, a combination of like, humbling and eerie. And just a real reminder, this is the good fight that we're all trying to embark upon right now. And how do we step that up?

Dan Ilic  34:02  
It's really interesting like talking to him, he he's about my age. And it's it's kind of funny, like he's on a learning journey with the science as well as you know, someone like me, and he's but his flight is so much more existential than mine.

Linh Do  34:16  
Yeah, and it's so much more confrontational as a result, right. I feel sometimes even though you and I, we live in brave climate, we can go to bed at night and be like, cool. Okay, that was it for the day. I'll wake up again tomorrow. But when it's hanging over you like that? I think it just permeates into absolutely everything.

Dan Ilic  34:33  
Next up is Yes, he's lawyer. So if you imagine Nick, who's the one that's been putting together this landmark human rights complaint at the UN for the tar stride, this is Sophie. Tell us about the first time your entire stride and why you were there.

Sophie Marjanac  34:47  
So I first went to the Torres Strait in 2010. To work as a paralegal in Native Title law, so land rights law, and meant that as part of my job, I was lucky enough to fly around to each of the outer islands of the Torres Strait, and get to know the communities. And it's such a beautiful and magical part of the world, I feel really privileged to have been able to experience that. So I was lucky enough to be able to go fishing and swimming on some of the beautiful coral reefs, and even got used to the crocodiles

Dan Ilic  35:22  
and your work when you were there as a paralegal, can you kind of explain just the day to day, what was that about?

Sophie Marjanac  35:29  
So basically, we represented the island is in any negotiations relating to their land. When anyone wanted to develop anything on Native Title land, we would represent them in relation to that. And also working on Native Title claims themselves, such as the Torres Strait regional seaplane, which was the first Native Title claim over sea territory and say, country in Australia. Wow.

Dan Ilic  35:57  
Can you remember the first time meeting? YesI moseby? And

Yessie Mosby  36:00  
what was that like?

Sophie Marjanac  36:02  
Yeah, of course, I can. Yes, a is just an all around legend. When we first met, he was put forward as the representative for asik Island by some of the elders. And I'd say that's because he's got such a real passion for the culture and traditions. And he's very young. But he knows so much about the cultural history of his family, and takes the responsibility of being a young leader really seriously.

Dan Ilic  36:29  
When we're talking about climate changes. Yes, he was saying like, when he was first kind of noticing what was happening, he, everyone on the islands was was noticing the effects of climate change. But I didn't understand why it was happening. You were one of the people that kind of helped them understand how this was happening and why it was happening. Can you walk us through that moment? Like when did you start kind of letting people know there about climate change and how the earth was changing?

Sophie Marjanac  36:55  
So we visited the islands in late 2018 and early 2019, and conducted community consultations. And we also conducted an analysis of the legal options for the communities and discuss that with them. It was really hard to go through the scientific evidence with them and talk to them about the real risk that the islands are facing in in the coming decades.

Dan Ilic  37:25  
When I was talking with the SEC, who was saying that the first step in this journey that they're on at the moment was to invite the Commonwealth to Messick to see the land be washed away. Can you talk us through that invitation? Who did you invite? And when did you invite them and what was it like to try and get people to Messick?

Sophie Marjanac  37:44  
So that invitation was was actually personally delivered by cafe cafe. Tammy is one of the claimants he's from wherever Island, which is just next to massive Island. And he actually went to New York for the climate conference in September 2019. Last year, and he personally delivered the letter to the to Australia's High Commissioner to the United Nations, in New York. And the Prime Minister did eventually respond several months later, but declined the invitation to actually go up.

Dan Ilic  38:18  
said no said I'm not going to get a message on they're gonna have a look at this is Ireland, a washed away?

Sophie Marjanac  38:24  
I think, honestly, if he did go there, and I really do believe that if anyone went there, I mean, you just immediately get what this is about, which is, and you can see why climate change is a human rights issue. Because you understand how deeply connected those communities are to their country, that connection must be experienced on those islands if the people and that's really the fundamental basis of the case is that if the people can't be on their island, and that's a fundamental break with their culture, and with their lives with dignity as indigenous peoples,

Dan Ilic  39:01  
I just want to go back to that letter. How did that decision get made to invite the prime minister to Messick or to Tara strike? And can you talk us through the steps that you and locals there we're going to going through to kind of get this plan in action.

Sophie Marjanac  39:17  
Throughout this process, we've been working with Gbk which is the good Alberta route Cod, which means warrior place and that is the peak body for the Native Title prescribed bodies corporate in the Torres Strait it's it's translates into English as the Torres Strait sea and land Council. So the board of Gbk has been clear that even though the low lying islands are most well are affected, and are leading the way in this case. They're doing on behalf of the whole region, which is which is affected in different ways. The letter we worked with GVK to prove the text of that letter and Kobe took it to New York where he was invited to speak at a conference on human rights and climate change with young climate, and environmental activists from around the world and lots of indigenous people from around the world as well.

Dan Ilic  40:14  
So a few months later, the federal government said, we're not going to come visit. Oh, Scott Morrison said he's not gonna come visit. What was the next step for you in that in that case?

Sophie Marjanac  40:24  
Well, to be honest, my focus is on the legal side. So I'm, I'm, I'm the lawyer. The island is Gbk. And we've partnered with Bri fifty.org, Australia who are assisting the communities with a local campaign. They are running a website and a petition and various social media accounts, and really trying to work with other grassroots groups and getting some cross indigenous solidarity, which I believe is going quite well. But my focus has really been on working on the case, and bringing those human rights arguments to the UN Human Rights Committee in Geneva, and attempting to we hope, make a new law on this topic, because this was this is the first case where these issues have have come so squarely before the committee. And we think it really is an excellent test case, because these islands are some of the most climate vulnerable in the world. And Australia is such an outlier. And such a laggard when it comes to global climate policy. I mean, unfortunately, Australia, Lee has performed far worse and many other rich countries that the policies are simply way behind. And I believe that's quite clear from the evidence. So we're hopeful to have a good decision, no matter what the decision is, I think it really will set a precedent of some kind. And we're hoping that the Human Rights Committee will prefer

Dan Ilic  41:56  
it. And how long do you think this process is going to take? Like, what point will you get an answer from from the UN?

Sophie Marjanac  42:05  
I suspect that they will make a decision next year. And we're very hopeful that that it's gonna be here rather than later. But of course, these processes do move relatively slowly.

Dan Ilic  42:18  
And what are the actual ramifications first for the Australian Government, if the UN comes down on the side of the Torres Strait Islanders and in the people of Messick and I mean, Australia has a long history of ignoring the UN is, I guess, is kind of what I'm saying. Yeah. Are there any other any actual ramifications? Will there be a reason to be compelled to, to change the way they go that climate action,

Sophie Marjanac  42:43  
I think the Australian Government does have a terrible record in relation to complying with decisions of the human rights treaty bodies, however, other states around the world do comply with those decisions. And so I think it does have the power to make a difference globally, and not just for Australia. And it also will mean that mean, it will clarify the law and move the jurisprudence forward, and I think really give the claimants and their communities a huge moral victory. They want people to know about what's going on on their islands, they want to tell the world about that. And they want their fellow Australians to see how precious the Torres Strait is and how that that connection, that cultural connection is at risk. So I think it's an opportunity to show the Australian public not only that Australia is really behind when it comes to climate change action on the global stage, and have that authoritative decision on that, but also, to show that these are this is the cultural heritage of all of us of our country. And that's what's being lost. And, you know, similarly to what happened recently NWA, there was quite an outcry over Rio Tinto decision on the jacket gorge. And we're going to see far worse cultural destruction of cultural heritage. And as I said, that belongs to all Australians. And that's really a tragedy.

Dan Ilic  44:04  
What do you think there's such a disconnect between someone who has lived and worked in Taurus, right, why do you think there's a bit of a disconnect between the tar strait islands and, and mainstream Australia?

Sophie Marjanac  44:14  
Well, practically, it's quite, it's very far away from most Australian Capital Cities, and it's really quite expensive and hard to get to. So I think that does put travellers off. So that makes it very special, because it really is. It really does take quite a bit of effort to get up there. But um, there are lots of toe Strait Islander people in Queensland especially. But I think, you know, Australia is generally relatively segregated still, and I don't think we've really recovered from the truth of our history. You know, we don't really see many indigenous stories are in the mainstream media, and in TV and newspapers, which I think is a real shame.

And probably a real barrier to that

Dan Ilic  45:04  
that connection. And how do you think we can bridge that disconnect? what's the what's the best way to kind of tell this story?

Sophie Marjanac  45:12  
I think all for me, I think, you know, the media has such a huge role to play. And, you know, really just bringing in bringing those bringing those stories out and having people here and really understand what's happened to what what's happening in Australian history, obviously, education as well, in schools, I don't think that there's that much focus digitus history. Yeah. But then I think, you know, as a lawyer, to be honest, fundamentally, we need a constitutional change. And I think, you know, what happened with the older restatement from the heart was one of the worst tragedies on travesties of Malcolm Turnbull's Prime Ministership. I think that was just disgusting, the way that that if it was treated many indigenous leaders who worked so hard on that all the restatement from the heart, and it was, you know, a moment to actually create real change, I don't personally don't think we will have true reconciliation in Australia until we change the constitution. Constitution. And that is essentially a treaty that sets up the fundamental building blocks of our nation. And that is, that is what we need to do. And I think I don't think we can move forward until we've had come to terms with the past. And that's the basic truth of reconciliation is you have to, you have to be honest about the past. And then you have to come together and decide to walk forward together into a new future. And I think that's what we need to do.

Dan Ilic  46:48  
As someone who's based in London, and you know, you you work all over the world, how do you explain that pain to people around the world that Australia has? How do you explain how backward we are all the time?

Sophie Marjanac  47:02  
Well, I left constitutional law. So I think I go back to I go back to the fundamentals, which are that the legal system has always been systemically racist, quite frankly, and systemically as undervalued and devalued indigenous culture, and that, I think, permeates through our whole society, unfortunately, and and it it, it fundamentally, is not that recognition in our governing documents and in our, our way of seeing the history of our countries. And then I think that that that means that people discount indigenous history and people unfortunately, and that's carried through into everything, culturally,

Dan Ilic  47:51  
in this project you're working on right now, what are the crucial timelines, time markers that are coming down, that will be met? And when is it I guess, when is it a good time to make a lot of noise about this? This particular case,

Sophie Marjanac  48:09  
with the government will, the Australian Government will respond in a few months time, probably four months. I think that probably when we get the decision, we really want that to be amplified as much as possible. But as I said that the island is working with 350 dot org, Australia, and they've got quite a lot going on. Now. They're doing various activities, I believe, three Queensland, obviously COVID has been really tricky. The toe strait islands are pretty vulnerable. And so they they do need to put their health first and avoid too much trouble. But we are doing lots of things online. And I think if if people are engaged, then they could write to their local MP, especially if they live in Queensland, and really just talk to their friends and relatives about climate change and about this case, and about how climate change is putting at risk, one of the oldest continuing cultures on Earth. But in terms of timing, your question was on timing, but I'd say probably, February ish will be a moment. And hopefully we'll have the decision. I hope in the third quarter

of next year. It's really tricky for me, so I'm sort of licking my finger and putting it in the air and but around about the third quarter. Hi,

Unknown Speaker  49:34  
yeah. What about you? What

Dan Ilic  49:35  
for you? Who your heroes in this space? Like who do you look at and go? Damn, you know, what they've done in the past is great, and I'm a big fan of their work. And I'm trying to do that.

Sophie Marjanac  49:49  
I think probably my heroes are the political leaders and elders in the toe shape who are constantly working so hard in this system that set up against them to get their voices heard, and The needs of the communities heard by government. And especially I mentioned that earlier a statement from the heart but all of the work that went into that, and the indigenous leaders who, who came together to to build that I think that was really impressive and, and such a huge achievement.

Unknown Speaker  50:21  
GM pu. Great, a small podcast of our generation. Well, that

Dan Ilic  50:25  
was Sophie. Thank you very much, Lynn, for joining us on on the greatest moral podcast of our generation.

Linh Do  50:31  
Always great to be here.

Dan Ilic  50:32  
And big thank you to YesI Sophie and Jacob round on the tepanyaki timeline. Plates if you like the show chippin on Patreon patreon.com forward slash irrational fear. Right now though, I have got a sneak peek of a new podcast called staying human. It's a podcast designed to put the moments we're living in right now in perspective, life is hard because we're living through a dehumanising pandemic, we need to take care of ourselves and each other. And it's all about what humans need to get by. It is hosted by a humanist chaplain at Harvard. His name is Greg Epstein, and I had to listen to it. It's pretty good. So I've got five minutes for you to have a listen to. If you enjoy it, check out staying human on your favourite podcast player. Thanks a lot. See you next month or next week on irrational fear. Thanks, Linh.

Unknown Speaker  51:18  
Hi.

Greg Epstein  51:19  
When I dropped my son off on Tuesday, March 10, I had no idea that the world as I knew it was about to change forever.

I barely remember our morning routine now. The one from before, my wife would rush out the door by accident daycare centre opened at 830. But we struggled there around 945. We did something different every morning. I'd wrap him in painters tape, and we'd sing to me to the tune of Aha. He'd climb on my knees and we'd play jump the shark. We got obsessed with YouTube videos of Russian excavators stuck in quicksand. It was the first consistent, conscious experience of unconditional love in my adult life. And it was slowly starting to make me feel human in a way I never really had before. On March 10, I dropped him off, and I pulled out my phone to check Twitter on the way home. Harvard just gave students five days to pack all of their things move out and go home, read the tweet. Many can't go home because of costs and travel restrictions and they provided no guidance. And we're expected to go to class for the rest of this week. That was a keen senior computer science major from Jamaica. I'd met him a few months earlier, after a thread he tweeted went viral, a beautifully self aware vulnerable reflection on possible racial bias in the ways computer science faculty sometimes engage with students like him. Hakeem is a gifted writer. He is a passionate and compassionate young leader who turned a bad experience into a platform to fight for thousands of other students who might not be so able to fight for themselves. So it crushed me to think if even he can't cope with the situation, stranded shut down, afraid, unsure what to do next, much less how to manage the pressures of college, then how are others going to manage not just at Harvard, but all across the country and even the world? I responded without my typical overthinking, Hakeem, this is what chaplains and other advocates are for. If it's virtually impossible to go home, then you or others in your position will likely need to ask to stay. If anyone at Harvard gives you any crap about that whatsoever. That is when you call somebody like me. My name is Greg Epstein, and I'm the humanist chaplain at Harvard and MIT. That's like clergy for atheists, agnostics, and the non religious. I've dedicated my life to helping people for people sake, in good times, and in times, just like this. Anyway, responding to hikkim I continued, let me or others be your advocate with Harvard administrators or faculty who need to hear this student is not going anywhere. Because they can't, so you must provide safe and comfortable living spaces and extensions etc must be provided to deal with this stress, no ifs, ands, or buts. As hundreds of thousands of people like door responded to hikkim thread, I was shocked to see them also respond to my response by the thousands. This made me cry, responded The Daily Beast Smalley Jiang fast, an influential writer whose mother's influential writing influenced me as a teenager, doctors, actors, scholars and dozens of random strangers stop by on my page to comment or say thanks, but all I done was send literally a couple of tweets. The truth is, the reality of the pandemic was setting in and we all wanted we all needed to cry to cry our faces as one distinguished philosophy professor friend of mine, but we were all looking for some human kindness myself included in the face of a restless and ignorant virus just beginning to end millions and disrupt billions of lives.

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Lewis Hobba  0:57  
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You're totally fine. You're totally fine. Yeah. Also no St. Louis. This is a big announcement. And a big thank you to everyone who listens to the show, because on the weekend, we got nominated for Best Comedy podcast at the Australian podcast awards. So thank you very much

Lewis Hobba  1:18  
the last time we lost that award. We lost it on the night of the last Australian election. So if you recall, we were all sitting in the crowd just watching our phones the whole time going. I this us winning or losing this award is less important than the other winner loss happening in the country right now.

Dan Ilic  1:34  
Yes, that's right. I totally forgot about that. We are up against some good people though. improv tunes. A couple of comedians called Hamish and Andy. I've never heard of him, Matt dalla and Tony Martin sizzle town and Alfred's dragon friends featuring your Triple J colleague, Michael King. What we know is king beats us.

Lewis Hobba  1:56  
Honestly, if I lose to Michael King, I'm gonna have to quit it. I bet Yeah. I feel like sort of like Trump about a week ago. And he was talking about job and just being like, I'm gonna lose to that guy. That guy? Well, I can't lose my, my pride won't allow it.

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Lewis Hobba  2:21  
I mean, sure. It's a it's a it's his new podcast. We're starting. Lewis and Dan ratings. I'm recording mine. But that is

Dan Ilic  2:29  
actually that's just every other podcast that does like Wikipedia. True Crime stuff. I write out Wikipedia entries. I'm recording mine of a rational fee on gadigal. land in New York nation. sovereignty was never seated, waited a treaty. Let's start the shark.

Joe Hockey  2:43  
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Unknown Speaker  2:49  
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Dan Ilic  2:56  
tonight. In the Queensland election, one nation suffers the most humiliating decline since Pauline Hansen's descent down the road. And Gladys berejiklian promises to open the New South Wales Victoria border by mid November, and millions of Melbourne Knights promised to warm up back up again. And researchers have discovered that November is the longest month of 2020 and they haven't even seen December 28. This podcast was recorded on the fifth of November at 8pm. If you're listening to us from the future, we want to say we're sorry, the world is a scary place. That's why you're listening to irrational fear.

Welcome to irrational fear that gives you the scared a sweaty hand to hold on. I'm your host Dan Ilic former spiritual adviser to the President. And this way, we've got some great fear mongers she's a writer, performer and musician and proofing even though you live in the Central West of New South Wales, you can make a big on Tick tock, it's Gabby baltz

Unknown Speaker  4:01  
Hello, Gabby. I'm gonna go on my grave

Dan Ilic  4:03  
you've blown up on Tick Tock writing oz Paul musicals Has anyone given you a sponsorship endorsement

Unknown Speaker  4:08  
yet? No. All I've received is a flag from 2007 in the mail from good old Kevin rod is nice. A friend of kin is very nice. Yeah, I've got got him in the camera roll and everything. But yeah, that's all I know other political donations please in the pocket of

Dan Ilic  4:24  
rod and he's a former and told mentor of the Taliban. It's this Saturday is Saturday six semi shot. Can I

Unknown Speaker  4:32  
semi?

Sami Shah  4:32  
I just want to make it clear that the Taliban and I have mended fences.

All find ourselves.

Surprisingly they are in agreement with me about a lot of things they like watching repeats of low you know or binge watching the wires are knocked down. They love listening to ambi sound podcasts as well as different ambient sounds.

Overlap turns out

Dan Ilic  4:57  
Sammy, can I ask you this in American democracy Slowly breaking down. Do you have any advice for Americans on how to live with a military code? Oh, look. Okay,

Sami Shah  5:05  
so the first trick is you have to have an assassination plan in place. All right. So in in 1988, we had to get creative. We had a dictator for 10 years. At that point, we knew something. So we filled a crate of mangoes, explosives, and put on a plane and the plane exploded because the mangoes exploded. So you got to the bottom, like no one's getting in a library with a rifle anymore. That ship doesn't work. Alright, so the other thing you have to understand is dictators aren't that bad, you know? They build statues. Everyone gets a job in statue building in the baby high growth industry all of a sudden, if you torture you are this is the buyer's market. All right, so you really need to own up those skills. No.

Dan Ilic  5:57  
And finally, he's the permanent guest of the Australian podcast Award nominated comedy podcast irrational fear is less How about Hello, Dan? Yeah,

Lewis Hobba  6:05  
I'm also Amy Shandy.

Dan Ilic  6:08  
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Russell Crowe  6:24  
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Dan Ilic  7:41  
It's a worthy cause. They're excellent. There's a lot of stuff going on in the news. I don't know if you notice that James Packers crown could lose their casino licence in New South Wales. The the largest battery in the southern hemisphere is coming to Victoria. But there's only one story everyone's talking about. Yes, boy, George is going to be recording a Christmas song with Delta goodrem Oh, MJ, what do you guys think? No.

Joe Hockey  8:04  
way he should.

Dan Ilic  8:06  
Now we're talking about of course the election as of recording right now. We don't know who will be President Biden is only about six electoral college votes away from winning. But by the time this podcast comes out, who knows maybe the next president knighted states could be Eric Trump. We don't know. The counting continues. The protests have started their parties everywhere from Michigan to Portland and even in Maricopa County, in Arizona fear mongers. I'm gonna play you a grab of some of these protests. And I want to I want you to tell me who is protesting and what are they chanting and Gabby has thankfully made us a theme song for this. So let me play that as

Unknown Speaker  8:42  
well. Here we go. Sometimes they're happy. Sometimes they're ranting, let's play who is protesting and what are they chanting? Very good.

Dan Ilic  8:51  
Okay, guys ready to play? All right. First up, here we go.

Lewis Hobba  9:10  
Stop the stop account.

Dan Ilic  9:12  
Yeah, they asked they are they could be yes. Perhaps they are indeed some of them are saying stop the count while the others one or the other say

Unknown Speaker  9:19  
a count all the votes. count all

Dan Ilic  9:21  
the votes? Yes, they are. They are and who are they Trump Biden supporters.

Unknown Speaker  9:26  
Support Yes.

Sami Shah  9:29  
inconsistency. Yeah. But only because that level of that level of inconsistency can only come from one side of the political divide, which is a drop of water. They are very much the standard themselves as well, not knowing that the shootings on the back.

Unknown Speaker  9:44  
Yeah, I can relate there like when I was in year 11 and 12. I was protesting mathematics as well. So I mean,

Sami Shah  9:51  
as the only known, I mean, the technical term is non white. Over here right now. All the supporters All protesters on both sides of the aisle are all white from the footage. Yeah. Is this a cultural thing that I don't understand this like the, the application of for mayonnaise or the love of DNA testing like white cultural thing the I guess,

Lewis Hobba  10:17  
actually sorry I think this is proving the point of so many white supremacists for so long, which is that not all white people are the same. Some white people want to stop the counts and stuff. I want to keep the counts going. You know, where diverse people with diverse interests.

Unknown Speaker  10:30  
just seems like a sequel to Eat, Pray Love, just shout. get angry, contradict each other.

Dan Ilic  10:37  
Let's play the next round.

Unknown Speaker  10:38  
Sometimes they're happy. Sometimes they're ranting, let's play who is protesting and what are they chanting? Alright, round

Dan Ilic  10:47  
two. Here we go.

Gabbi Bolt  10:56  
Are they mad at Fox?

Dan Ilic  10:58  
Fox but who is mad at Fox? Trump's mad at Fox. Okay. Okay, so Trump supporters are mad at Fox because they are protesting. These Trump supporters are at the Capitol. They're protesting because Fox made the call that Joe Biden was gonna win Arizona.

Unknown Speaker  11:18  
We don't like the news.

Unknown Speaker  11:21  
You know what? That's not even a joke. That's just pretty much that tagline.

Unknown Speaker  11:24  
No more facts. No. Yeah.

Sami Shah  11:27  
Apparently, there's a story that apparently is like it's an inside source thing, but that Trump got angry. He called up rupert murdoch and yelled at him about the Arizona account. And what Murdoch didn't back down. And it's trouble in paradise. I mean, this is the most magic breakups in Miley Cyrus and Hemsworth thought like this is as much of a heartbreaking like you think some love would last forever, but clearly nothing mean dating just bullshit one

Unknown Speaker  12:02  
day after he endorses the petition to a that would be the next step. Yeah, yeah. Trump on Twitter being like sign this petition I'm

Unknown Speaker  12:09  
really

Dan Ilic  12:10  
gonna be signing on Monday straightaway. Finally here we go.

Unknown Speaker  12:16  
Sometimes they're happy sometimes they're ranting let's play who was protesting and what are they

Dan Ilic  12:22  
chanting and finally this one

Joe Hockey  12:28  
is covering up the fight crime family steal this election is covering up.

covering up we will not free up for the world. He was not free of Joe Biden is covering up

Unknown Speaker  12:42  
his election. He's stealing their that.

Dan Ilic  12:46  
Okay, so who is he? What is he channelling? I think it's Nick. Naughty. I think Nick naughty is trying to get an Oscar for

Lewis Hobba  12:57  
Oh, Gary Busey. As big busying

Sami Shah  13:03  
tonight, can I just say, at the heart, I've never agreed with the T shirt more. I've never had barbecue beer freedom has ever I've noticed most seen done by that T shirt.

Unknown Speaker  13:17  
Nothing is more attractive.

Unknown Speaker  13:21  
Nothing is more attractive than that.

Lewis Hobba  13:22  
So it's also it's a fourth of July top and I reckon that guy has probably been wearing it since the Fourth of July and really enjoying the be a part of that show. My favourite

Unknown Speaker  13:32  
part about that video. I saw that video earlier today is definitely the guy giving the press conference maybe waits a solid three beats for the guy to just slowly walk back in the building, and then just kind of turns around, and he's like, Alright, moving on. Do you just expect chaos like that? America just they waiting for everyone that yell at that press conference.

Lewis Hobba  13:55  
He The problem was he wasn't expecting everyone to give him his freedom. Like he was waiting to get tackled or grabbed or something. And he's like, Oh, no, it appears the third part of my shirt was already allowed.

Unknown Speaker  14:07  
I guess I just walked myself out.

Lewis Hobba  14:09  
You feel his head back to this barbecue.

Unknown Speaker  14:13  
Listening to a rational seer.

Unknown Speaker  14:16  
This is an embarrassment to our

Joe Hockey  14:18  
country. We were getting ready to win this election.

Frankly, we didn't win this election. By the

Dan Ilic  14:25  
time this podcast comes out, you probably already know who's president we can we can only tell you things that we already it's that guy. It's the

Unknown Speaker  14:32  
radium shed guy.

Lewis Hobba  14:33  
I've already reached across the aisle. He's like, what's three things we can all agree on.

Dan Ilic  14:39  
So in the last couple of days, what we've seen is Trump declaring that he's one only if people stopped counting, Biden managed to flip four states Trump managed to flip out he's got so bad that Kanye West sent every American a hologram ghost of their dead democracy. Even former Australian ambassador to the United States and alleged treasure for sale Joe hockey got in on the action saying the vote was right. In Washington, DC, this is him on Ben forums programme earlier this week.

Joe Hockey  15:05  
The other 10,000 different organisations that are responsible for setting the rules for the US presidential election 10,000 in Australia had the Australian Electoral Commission, thank God that governs the rules for federal laws for federal elections in the US are 10 every state, and then you have counties and you have cities. And if there's a strong bias one way or the other, they do everything they can to either suppress the vote, or to to, you know, to increase about it's just it's a mess.

Unknown Speaker  15:38  
So there's a chance that electoral fraud has happened.

Joe Hockey  15:42  
Oh, for sure. I mean, it will be but the question is whether it's enough to change the election. And I doubt it is, but But yeah, I absolutely. did. I last thought, in Washington, DC 93% of the city voted pejabat 93%. Even my best booth and launderable. God bless him. When the kids were handing out to the Labour Party. Even my best booth, I got 83% 93% in the city. I find it hard to believe so

Unknown Speaker  16:18  
he finds it hard to believe. Wow, I

Lewis Hobba  16:19  
got

Unknown Speaker  16:20  
it honestly, in Washington.

Lewis Hobba  16:22  
Yeah. And it honestly feels like at the for the first part of the interview. He's reading a pamphlet that he's just found out there. He's just picked up a place He's like,

Unknown Speaker  16:31  
do you know they have counties? Yeah.

Dan Ilic  16:34  
Joe Joe, Joe? Joe hockey on TGV sounds like a guy that's just listened to a lot of American political podcasts and it's just trying to

Lewis Hobba  16:43  
Yeah, he's your friend. He says like,

Unknown Speaker  16:47  
my favourite thing is him not considering that a candidate can get higher than 83%.

Lewis Hobba  16:52  
And also, like, the history of that is like, no democrat has got under 90% in 15 years, like Hillary Clinton got 91 Yeah, Obama got 92% it just like that. You're that you're out diplomat to that country. And every like, everyone knows

Unknown Speaker  17:09  
that shit.

Joe Hockey  17:10  
What is wrong with

Sami Shah  17:12  
me, but that's not that's not accurate. Here's me, Rick. Ricky forgetting he wasn't our diploma. Reese told him. He was our ambassador to America, reduced anxiety. That was supposed to be his, you know, he is sentenced to his Guantanamo Bay to go there and never come back. I don't know how he got back here.

Lewis Hobba  17:36  
Maybe you'd have called Getting the plum position in America failing upwards in like any other generation, except this one where you are like, Joe thinks this is the population. We're sending him to the apocalypse.

Sami Shah  17:51  
Yeah, there are people right now, who are the ambassador to Syria who are like, Oh, my God.

That was

like about your hockey. All right. And I do like one thing about your hockey is that Joe hockey is actually just a random factor that i don't know i have in my head, but he's actually a Palestinian Armenian. So he's not actually a white guy. And his real name. I'm not making this up. You can look this up is Joe, aka Dorian. But they changed it a hockey to improve his chances in the family's Johnson's in resettling into him in Australia, Joe hockey domian had been running for politics. He would be in the Green Party right now. In the seat of Brunswick, or

the ambassador to America and Sammy, that's

Dan Ilic  18:43  
the only reason why he was only treasurer, he would have been Prime Minister if they'd said it if they change the name to Joe cricket.

Sami Shah  18:54  
They did offer it to him apparently, at one point Tony Abbott did asked him if he wanted to be the leader of the Liberal Party and john said no, because he wasn't willing to give up on emissions trading. This is a true story. I don't know why I know this much about Joe hockey. All right, I do. But this so there's a few things about him. He you know, he's actually a Palestinian Armenian. He almost became the liberal Liberal Party, and he thinks no one can be more popular than him when it turns out that's actually pretty common in the world.

Lewis Hobba  19:25  
When you're literally chased out of a country for being a reviled treasure with one of the worst budgets in living memory, like and people like

Joe Hockey  19:33  
me, it's while

Unknown Speaker  19:37  
is everyone who knows me knows I want to make it perfectly clear to the community. I have evil in my heart.

Joe Hockey  19:45  
No Fear is rational.

Dan Ilic  19:48  
Final fear for this week, Georgia democratic organisers are calling out people to go to tele rooms to cure ballots. Fear mongers, when you hear the term curing ballots. What do you think that means? just leaving them for several months in a brine.

Unknown Speaker  20:06  
Exactly what I thought

Sami Shah  20:09  
when you put them in Brian is when you

Dan Ilic  20:12  
pick Oh, yeah, let's pick a balance everyone wrong. Yeah.

Lewis Hobba  20:17  
Right. Oh, of course, of course God.

Dan Ilic  20:20  
Now here's the thing if a ballot has a mismatch mismatch signature or the signature is missing on the ballot, it could be tried out or people have forgotten to sign the back of the return envelope will fail to get the witness to fill out their witness information correctly, the ballot could be completely thrown out. So what's happening is volunteers are being asked to go down and sit in a room and call everyone who voted and made a made a mistake on their ballot to rectify this ballot. It's an elaborate process, they've got to sign an affidavit and fax that affidavit in or mail or send that affidavit in with a copy of their driver's licence to get that ballot revalidated. It's like so much paperwork, if you make one little mistake.

Unknown Speaker  20:59  
I barely passed the HSC. I don't think I could Miss America.

Lewis Hobba  21:05  
America's filing

Dan Ilic  21:08  
this week is also strange for another reason in US politics, one that affects us. The United States has formally lifted the Paris Agreement this way three years ago, Trump pulled out which is normally a good thing when he pulls out. But sadly, it undermines this really important work. Our next guest was elected on her green credentials. He's a barrister, Olympian, and independent member for ringu zali. steggall. Oh, am MP good izombie. Zombies absolutely are privileged to have you with us this week. And because on Monday, something incredibly important is going to happen. And I can't help but feel like once again, it's kind of been overshadowed by the moment we're living in right now.

Zali Steggall  21:50  
Well, yes, and no, I actually picked it on purpose, because I figured we were either gonna be in a good place worldwide in terms of climate. And we could reverse the decision that Trump took in terms of pulling the us out of the Paris Agreement, or the rest of the world's got to get skates on and counter the impact of the US going road when it comes to climate. So either way, our second Monday, the ninth isn't really important day for us to put a plan in place and get on with lowering our emissions.

Dan Ilic  22:22  
Tell us from the very start what is going to happen on Monday? And what what how do you think it'll go?

Zali Steggall  22:28  
Sure, I will look obviously, as an independent, I'm actually came into parliament, mainly to try and actually stop the weaponized you know, debate we've had in Australia around climate change and put forward a sensible plan down the middle. So I tried to bring bipartisanship to this so that we can actually help plan so I mean, producing legislation that is in it's actually conservative UK legislation that was passed in the UK, but with bipartisan support, so completely no reason why coalition can't accept it here. And actually, the UK Prime Minister is calling on the Morison government to getting to get on board with the same commitment of net zero by 2050. So the legislation is coming on Monday to the parliament present to you. There'll be a fair bit of stuff around it, my fellow crossbenchers will be speaking on it. And I've invited the prime minister to to actually take the lead and you know, actually be the leader striving needs him to be at the moment.

Dan Ilic  23:25  
That's very generous of you. Haven't there been any examples where he's done that? And the last little bit that we can say,

Zali Steggall  23:33  
we're looking for start around 20 with the bush fires? Oh, you know, I'll give you that. I wasn't very impressed with that part of it. But look, during the pandemic we have we've seen the Prime Minister Singh premiers, stand up with the scientists give us good factual justification for policy and it works and the Australian people have overwhelmingly complied. I mean, apart from a few people protesting we've really had whole of society, getting on board with the measures needed. And we I reckon we're leading the world in terms of how well we've done economically and health wise, on the pandemic side,

Dan Ilic  24:06  
it's amazing what can happen when you listen to a bunch of scientists who actually know what they're talking about.

Unknown Speaker  24:11  
Wow.

Zali Steggall  24:13  
You have a policy based on facts and science. And we know with climate, we need to do the same thing as what we did with the pandemic. The pandemic is a tiny taste of what's to come with climate if we don't get our act together. So it is a perfect time for the prime minister to step up

Sami Shah  24:30  
your luck closer to the Prime Minister than I will ever get to be so I have no knowledge of this. Why is it that if you know a pandemic scientist is one that finds believable, but a climate change scientist is one that you find that he can't trust in just like a Shia Sunni thing?

belief system.

Zali Steggall  24:53  
Obviously, one of the horrendous things yeah, 2020 has been challenging on so many fronts, but it has seen shift towards accepting science. So I think the Prime Minister has to stick to the game we set the path on the cut on the coronavirus pandemic, we need to do the same on on our missions, we need to flatten the curve on our missions. Let's get down to net zero. And then we will feel safer.

Lewis Hobba  25:16  
Do you think that I mean, the bushfires were so awful. And a lot of people who have been looking for climate change solutions for so long, I've been worried something like that would have would have to happen before anyone, obviously on a, you know, conservative side took any kind of action. And and no one wanted that to happen, obviously is devastating. And but you know, has it put politics into a position where you think the Prime Minister might be, I mean, either willing in generously or politically, if you're a ungenerous force due to the fact that he his reputation took such a pounding when he disappeared to Hawaii, that he might be sort of forced to really act this time.

Zali Steggall  25:58  
Look, I think I'd be a mixture, you know, I really hope that he is the leader, that, you know, he has the opportunity to be and step up to this and bring everyone together. I acknowledge Not everyone can agree on this. But we've got a really sensible pathway forward here. And you've got the rest of the world joining in, you know, the UK, Japan, South Korea, France, Germany, it you know, the list goes on, that's committed to net zero by 2050. We don't want to be missing out. We don't want to be behind our trading partners. We need to be on top of this now. Is it going to come there but grudgingly behind the ball? Or does he take the handbrake off? And he put us ahead? That's the that's the challenge. And at the end of the day, is how do you want to be remembered as you know, the power of this parliament and as the Prime Minister, we've had a pretty big year already with 2020. And ultimately, this is our biggest challenge. So I'm still hopeful to build consensus, you know, I'm not the opposition. I'm an independent, my job is to try and bring people in the room. And so that, you know, try and bring people that are a part two together for a solution.

Sammy, I think you either agree or

Unknown Speaker  27:06  
Jane.

Sami Shah  27:09  
No, I absolutely, positively agree. I just want to change the topic briefly for a moment, because I don't know when I'll ever get a chance to ask you this is so when you retrieve the sword from the lake and lunge into the chest, check off

your armour.

Unknown Speaker  27:34  
Thank you, Sammy. That was actually my next question. That was

Zali Steggall  27:40  
funny enough, during the campaign, we actually I had to match tiny on his sporting prowess. So I have both participated in the cold classic swim we both in the local runs. And he actually released a team of bodyguards did while the local five k runs and beat me to the finish line. And they were claiming that I was going to be the big wind. So but little did he know that I was saving it really for the big race, which was the important one.

Lewis Hobba  28:09  
Yeah, Tony ever, it was always of the belief as a leader that he could run around the country that would justify his ability to run it.

Dan Ilic  28:16  
Some people, some people who may be uncharitable might say, what's the point of an independent backbencher? throwing this in the ring and getting this into parliament? Why don't just get to fade it in? Everybody moves on? What do you say to those people?

Zali Steggall  28:29  
Well, with due respect, the major parties haven't really gotten this this so far, you know, they're kind of, they keep using the issue of climate as a way of trying to beat the other side. And they only really look at their own self interest. We know 80% of Australians are concerned about climate change, sit over 60% want us to commit to net zero by 2050. Labour labour, you know, they say that they're committed to it, but they don't really have a plan. And the liberals know and the coalition know they have to do more, are they under threat from a lot of areas like orinda that want more action on climate change. So I think I am the perfect person to bring it forward. And actually said, This isn't about one side winning over the other. This is actually about the Australian people get to win. So my call has been for all of society to get behind it to get business, get industry and get health care environment groups, everyone to come forward and ask for this solution with I think Australia has had enough of the climate walls. We want 2020 to be the year we all move on. like totally,

Dan Ilic  29:29  
and it's so transparent to say that particularly on state levels all around the country. And it's so weird just to have this outline of the Federal the federal coalition just doing f all and it's so it's just so it's it's so frustrating to see this. It's so frustrating to see the lack of leadership when everybody with the tail is wagging the dog in Australia, like the local governments, the state governments, the corporations, they're all they're all doing what they can and yet there is no formal action plan. From the It's so strange

Zali Steggall  30:01  
to see who you think is the towel say I think the tail wagging the dog is actually that kind of ends. And, you know, the fire Queensland and rays are hanging on to fossil fuel industry in their electorates. And there are only one or two votes. And it's all the others that are following this kind of with call from these outline and pace. So I think that's a towel that we need to get rid of so that the dog can get on with the job.

Sami Shah  30:26  
And someone is not a politician, you know, because that's not the background, the people in Parliament, most of the people in Canberra, this is all they do. This is all they've done the young people when they were teenagers, because they have two losers. And this is Bob they followed. It is weird. Is it like? How do you adapt to that culture, you know, as a civilian and a normal human being a functioning adult prior to this? I think I was functioning.

Zali Steggall  30:59  
I have had moments where I've been quite astounded by what happens in Parliament and the way some people behave. And when I think that these are the people that are making the laws that are going to regulate everyone's life. It's quite astounding. But look, there are some good people component on both sides of the aisle that have in life experience. But if you could then curry politicians or people that have only had experienced through the party machine, and they have to have a career outside politics. I think that would be a good thing.

Dan Ilic  31:30  
Like sports soon as they get an injury. They're off to Melbourne.

Zali Steggall  31:37  
Yeah, if you're doing a job application, yes.

skills.

Dan Ilic  31:43  
Well, Sally, thank you so much for joining us on a rational fee. Good luck on Monday, my friend Melvin directed a great little ad to promote the climate change act last week, and I think went out last week. It was very moving. It's a beautiful ad. I'll share it in the in the show notes. When we put the podcast out. It's just a kind of gripping cinematic piece that somebody trapped within the fires trying to write a letter to their MP and it's just, it's just heartbreaking. I know Melvin and I was messaging my my my wife was messaging him throughout the throughout that period when we had bushfires, and he was actually him and his his family were trapped in fires. And it was I think all of us were so shocked by that moment in January, that that was a wake up call that we needed and sadly COVID came through and wiped out the momentum for it but I don't think it's gone away. I honestly think honestly, I think people are still engaged with these issues and want to see action on this issue. And I think you have such a huge backing. And I just wish you luck.

Zali Steggall  32:44  
Thank you. Well, I need you guys and everybody out there to get behind it.

Lewis Hobba  32:48  
every vote counts. If you can do this, Sally, we will get all that Patreon subscribers to donate $1 will melt down those dollars and we'll make you a special gold medal. Rational peace.

Dan Ilic  33:01  
We want to thank you very much at least before we go Gabby has written us a song to see us out. It's about time I have it that happened this week. Me

Gabbi Bolt  33:10  
basically Yes, the Melbourne Cup happened this week. And I I've never really supported the Melbourne Cup much in my life ever. Except when I was six and I wanted the pony. But I saw that another horse died this week sorry this is sounding old very Simpsons funeral mochi. But I went and wrote this song so I've come up with a solution. I've come up with a solution that I think will please literally everyone, sports lovers, arts people, broke students like myself, everyone's happy with this so I hope you hope the government somehow hear this and hear me out. It's shameful to think as a nation we drink and celebrate the Melbourne Cup. We place all our bets hold back champagne intense while a horse coughs up along televised in disguise to the nation as a classy and fancy occasion. But instead of a whole scopes competition, here's what I'm thinking, Oh, why don't we just race the spec Titans. Check him on the Flemington track. Let them keep their fancy fascinators if they run the whole lap, I want to see you know rail who's missing his shoes and Darrell who's on his 12th glass of booze step up to the plate something nation to race for the Melbourne Cup. And I'm not saying we should change the whole damn thing. They'll still be real monetary stakes on who we think we should when school kids will dress up because they dedicated we add a spare cup to the most neighbour. Yeah. I mean, I'm not one for sports. But one thing I know I watch the shit out of that show race the spectators make them run for the big prize and if someone's breaks a leg that aren't have to be euthanized. Time for an equine intervention bringing in a new kind of athletic content. I think it would be more fun for the spectators to run in the Melbourne Cup. Yes swap the horse hooves for heels make the rich really squeal for the Melbourne Cup yes say no to horse cruelty cuz the spectators should be

Unknown Speaker  35:32  
very I feel very passionate about it just off of the climate change act goes live on Monday I'll bring in my rich people should run the funding contract.

Dan Ilic  35:42  
Jingle for climate change. Evie has got you. Please thank Gabby both Lewis hobas semi Shah zali steggall Thank you very much everyone. Do you have anything to plug Gabby? You wanna plug anything?

Unknown Speaker  35:54  
I have music from two years ago on Spotify. Very useful. I it's okay. That's there. But apart from that nothing

Dan Ilic  36:02  
follow Gabby on tik tok and Twitter semi Shah Do you ever need to plug

Sami Shah  36:06  
my comedy albums are still on this Alisha? [email protected] you can buy those if you were searching

Dan Ilic  36:14  
zali steggall I was feeling I know what you're gonna plug

Zali Steggall  36:18  
he could go the climate now.com donate you both in support the climate act.

Dan Ilic  36:24  
Excellent. And let us How about what are you plugging?

Lewis Hobba  36:27  
a Nazi Russia I'm on holidays next week. On the show. I guess I'm just plugging yam but I'm going to Yeah, you're never been there. You're in Yeah, but say hello.

Dan Ilic  36:37  
big thank you to ride bikes, the birth of foundation go nutro Our Patreon subscribers Kilian David David bluestein Maddy Palmer our discord community for a great chunk suggestions this week also want to thank Russell Crowe roupa de gas, and of course our post producer Jacob round of the tepanyaki timeline Until next week, there's always something to be scared of. Good night.

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Hello Daniel. How are you?

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Correct and I don't know if you've heard 2020 my year. I'm okay, I'm having a no right time all things considered.

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Dan Ilic  1:30  
Tonight after 112 days Melbourne has eased lockdown restrictions However, some hipster cafes have remained closed to be ironic. And water is discovered on the moon but it turns out it can't be used for anything as it's already owned by Angus Taylor. And in just under a week, the season finale of the United States of America is on who will get fine that week. I'm excited. It's Halloween 2020 or as we call it in Australia book quake. This is arrested Oh fair.

Hello, welcome to rational faith. I'm your host former sexy nurse Dan Ilic. Let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. She's a comedian improviser and radio broadcasting from Sydney her 2019 festival showed loose one so much critical acclaim that it got picked up to be part of the 2020 bats festival at Gryphon theatre company which probably got cancelled, after organise realises that she was a little tireless, just because of COVID-19 is Kanchana Christo.

Concetta Caristo  2:37  
Oh my god. Hey, it's me. The cancelled woman. Good to be here.

Dan Ilic  2:44  
She's the multiple award winning lockdown special having jewel personality performing hyphenated hyphenating. It's a privilege to have the double barreled Triple Threat herself. Zoe combs Ma.

Zoë Coombs Marr  2:55  
It's Zoe knowledge, actually.

Unknown Speaker  3:01  
reputation. Really? You know,

Zoë Coombs Marr  3:07  
I am waiting to be congratulated before it really happens all the time. I get confused. Like, I love you on the checkout.

Unknown Speaker  3:15  
That's not me. That's

Lewis Hobba  3:19  
crazy.

Dan Ilic  3:25  
And he is one half of wedding magic act pen and haba it's Louis haba. Wow. Oh, my

Lewis Hobba  3:31  
God. I was thinking the other day. I want to go and get my like,

Unknown Speaker  3:37  
matching

Lewis Hobba  3:38  
my Nike glasses. No. No, I want to go and get ordained so that I can marry people. All right, because I emcee a lot of weddings and a lot of friends weddings. I just happen to you guys, as people who talk in the market price for family you get asked to me every wedding. Plus I can sometimes DJ weddings. So if I can do the marrying? I'm a one man wedding band. Wow. Wow. I'm actually

Concetta Caristo  3:59  
I'm trying to get my magic lessons so that

Lewis Hobba  4:02  
I really feel about the magic of

Dan Ilic  4:05  
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Dan Ilic  5:18  
The first fear this week it's the most magical time in politics. It's senate estimates happy senate estimates everyone, I hope you're having a fantastic set of estimates. This year, this is where we thought you bless you.

Senator. Lidia Thorpe  5:32  
with you. Also with you have your

Dan Ilic  5:34  
part of Senate estimates is cut is like taking a whole bunch of receipts and throwing them at your friends. Yes, bless you, bless you. It's where we find out just how far public servants will go to protect the ministers from scrutiny. Last week, of course, we learned that you can get a Cartier watch by simply working at Australia Post and doing a good job. This week, we learned that our first submarine could be launched in around 37 years. Yes. The new subs are coming and they're gonna be coming about when the iPhone 49 will be released. Yes, it's very exciting. Incidentally, the iPhone 49 will have an inbuilt submarine. So you know, that'll be redundant. The subs gonna cost us $90 billion. The iPhone, iPhone 49 will only cost us a billion dollars. So you know, you do the math. fishmonger's doesn't bother you that these new submarines that we're building today won't be working in our waters until it's 37 years.

Concetta Caristo  6:31  
No, actually, because I spoke to a psychic this week. And she said that in 2015 it's gonna be a really good time for me. So I think that it's like actually a good time for the submarines and for me, and so that's sort of why it's happening. So I'm really stoked about it. Yeah.

Lewis Hobba  6:45  
And are you an Aquarius?

Concetta Caristo  6:48  
Aquarius. I'm a Libra. So no, no,

Unknown Speaker  6:53  
not a water sign today.

Concetta Caristo  6:55  
Thank you so much. I lied. I'm

sorry. I'm being such a politician right now. Sorry,

Zoë Coombs Marr  7:03  
Leo. I feel like I feel like 2015 is going to be a pretty good time for submarines, because we'll all be underwater then. Anyway, but it's sort of I'm like, that's 37 years. I'm 36 that's like if someone when I was born went like, and for the birth of your child, we shall give her a floppy disk. We're still working on it. And she'll get it just before like she'll get it just before she turns 40. And the technology may be obsolete but Oh, what a floppy disk.

Unknown Speaker  7:39  
It's ridiculous. Like it's gonna

Senator. Lidia Thorpe  7:41  
That's it? It's gonna be a worst submarine ever. Yes. But

Lewis Hobba  7:47  
if it is Waterworld will apply it out Tommy perfectly. Like if you No, no, it would be like Australia is a desert. They don't ready. 36 years Suddenly, a giant like polar ice cap crashes. The flood comes your flood to a 36 year old submarine. It's a dream. We're all watching episodes of Seinfeld that they put on when they started. It's good news.

Dan Ilic  8:06  
It would be it'd be it'd be great. And I think people should, you know, we should go through some sort of constriction or conscription or some lottery to get on those submarines for when the end of the world is happening. That'd be great. There's 12 submarines and you know, they could go underwater forever. It'd be great to be on them.

Zoë Coombs Marr  8:20  
Honestly, what are they doing? Like nothing takes that long, like nothing takes because I say when you like make something it's like you can be it can be fast, cheap, or good. Like you can have two two of those. But not three, like this is slow and expensive and baby. Amazing. Like

Senator. Lidia Thorpe  8:41  
the best thing ever.

Concetta Caristo  8:42  
What are they doing? I know what's that thing in sex where it's like you. You like do it a little bit a little bit. Little bit. So the climax is huge. What's that cold? That's happening people. Ladies and gentlemen, we are edging with some submarines. Yes, every love is gonna blow so hard when they release.

Lewis Hobba  9:01  
A bunch of segments just sitting there going.

Dan Ilic  9:10  
I believe in the Navy. It's called overreaching? Yeah, you're breaching? Yeah. Not as cool. As cool. Not as cool.

Lewis Hobba  9:17  
Because they're building them in South Australia on that. Yeah.

Zoë Coombs Marr  9:21  
Thank you so long.

Lewis Hobba  9:25  
My theory is they just using it to store a bunch of South Australian wine in 36 years. I'll just open the hatch and be like, aged and delicious.

Dan Ilic  9:36  
Surprise. Well, you know when this when the budget was first floated, it was around $50 billion. And then earlier this year blew up to 80 billion then some sometime between the beginning of this year and senate estimates it's blind out another 10 billion to $90 billion. I I can't help but think that we are all in the wrong guy.

Unknown Speaker  10:00  
dollars.

Dan Ilic  10:01  
That's a lot of dollars. Yeah.

Concetta Caristo  10:03  
It just made me think about you know, when like, a kid's done something wrong and then your parents like confront you. And you tell them little bit by little bit and the details just get more and more. It's like the problems getting worse. It just was like that. It's like now 50 all sorry, actually, I meant seven. No, it's actually at 100 million $2 billion. So sorry.

Dan Ilic  10:21  
It does sound a lot better if you are trying to threaten another country because $50 billion submarines doesn't cut it. But like if you tell China well, China, we've got some hundred billion dollar submarines. Stay away from now your radio.

Zoë Coombs Marr  10:33  
They only have 37 years to catch up.

Lewis Hobba  10:41  
Sorry, a couple of years ago about that Danish guy who murdered a person on his homemade submarine? No,

Concetta Caristo  10:48  
no. And why not?

Lewis Hobba  10:51  
It was maybe like 2017 or 2018. He was I think he was Danish. He was an inventor and he murdered a journalist cut up the body and spread it across the ocean came back in and it was like, Oh, she tripped and fell. And okay. Anyway, he's in prison. He tried. He met he escaped from prison. This week, he got out. And then they caught him and brought him back. All I'm saying is don't put him back. Bring him to Australia getting building submarines. You'll have them whipped up in a week.

Zoë Coombs Marr  11:20  
And she tripped and fell. You feel like for an inventor he'd be able to come up with a better excuse.

Unknown Speaker  11:27  
Minister, can you tell me when we will finally have all 12 boats operation? mid to late 2040s in the 2040s

Unknown Speaker  11:35  
nice in the 2050s as I say no? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  11:39  
Okay, I'm sad. I'm telling you that. I'd say 20 5020 5072 the answers 2057 it says quote the seal is time

Unknown Speaker  11:46  
this December 2054 Cenotaph 2054 This is our rational fear.

Dan Ilic  11:52  
This week. Second fear the six called World is mourning the loss of one of their leaders. This week, Catherine Nanda laid out the so called six called Nexium has been sentenced to 120 years in prison. Zoey, when you first told me about this story, I was shocked. I couldn't believe that anyone would join a sex cult started by a guy called case. What is what is? What is going on here?

Zoë Coombs Marr  12:13  
Well, it's incredible. So I was I was shocked that you hadn't heard of it, because I'm obsessed with it. This guy. So basically, if you don't if you're not familiar with it, basically Nexium is in a nutshell, it's like counterfeit Scientology mixed with Amway and like a teddy Mellencamp diet with SIG Slifer in it, and it's like, run by this guy who ran a bunch of pyramid schemes in the 90s. And then he started this, it's so complicated, but he started this self help thing that then it turned out that women were in this master slave pyramid scheme. And then we're actually getting branded, like literally, like, branded with cauterising arms on their bodies with his initials. And it's just, it's, it's, it's nuts. It's like, but it's also the daggy is cult you've ever heard of. Sorry, daggy it's like it's run by this improv guy. No, it's I mean, he just seems like yeah, another one of the guys doing improv for way too long. Let

Dan Ilic  13:22  
me bring my initials. Yes. Let's

Zoë Coombs Marr  13:27  
see if the guy would like just as he's about to like bring out his acoustic guitar at a party and then goes like, you know, I won the Judo national championship.

Unknown Speaker  13:39  
Is everyone going?

Senator. Lidia Thorpe  13:40  
Yeah, right mate, they will let

you bring your

Zoë Coombs Marr  13:46  
name on to me. It's a while so

Dan Ilic  13:48  
it is totally right. The name of the whole club is so weird Nexium it's spelt ni x VM, like some sort of Greek thing. It doesn't even sound like a call. It sounds like a piece of software, you're forced to log into it or call centre, like at a job you really hate.

Unknown Speaker  14:03  
Totally.

Zoë Coombs Marr  14:05  
And they have all these really terrible, terrible names. It's like, he used to run a pyramid scheme called consumer buy lines, byline, and then thing that was like vitamins that was like, National Health Organisation. And then their main scene was like, yeah, it's in ASP. It was like executive success programmes. It sounds

Senator. Lidia Thorpe  14:26  
like that we've written Yeah, but how boring How

Dan Ilic  14:30  
do people who are attracted to these boring things end up being sex lives? Is this just a is just an extension of what corporate culture? Is? We all people who work in corporations, are you? Are we all part of a cult?

Senator. Lidia Thorpe  14:43  
I think it's like, what

Zoë Coombs Marr  14:43  
I find fascinating about it is it's like one step. And then the next step and you just work out where people's line is. It's like the next logical step. And I think once people become immersed in a world then they just kind of go with it. It's like, like, for instance, I think about myself, right? Like I'm a lesbian. I'm very well immersed in That world but two days ago, my ex girlfriend messaged me and said, Hey, I, she's in the same queer parenting group as my other ex girlfriend. And I thought that's too gay, even

some people that might be like, a creepy guy. I want to listen to you going like, Oh yeah, authenticity is being yourself and I've found the meaning for the world and join my call. All the people it's getting these name branded on them, but they're all different.

Dan Ilic  15:42  
It's a big step. It's a big step from like having a meeting about your KPIs to coming in and getting your boss's initials branded on us very big. And where do you do? What's that? Hi, Cha meeting like like, Hey, hey, case study branded me. He's all yeah, that's part of the deal here. That's what you're gonna

Lewis Hobba  15:58  
know. It's coming for sexual harassment training. We will need to train you well to sexually harass each

Unknown Speaker  16:02  
other. Yeah,

Lewis Hobba  16:04  
I found out about it. Because of the Smallville actress Allison Mack. Yes. Yes. Like mega famous.

Senator. Lidia Thorpe  16:11  
Yeah, I was

Concetta Caristo  16:12  
so angry. I was so angry. I was like, okay, so being a famous actor isn't enough. You have that frickin board that you have to like, have this crazy secret stupid call with all this bullcrap. It made me so fierce. I was like, What the hell is up with rich people, it takes so much time what they're doing. I'm like, how did they get literally anything else done. I have one thing in my calendar this tonight I this all day, I was busy stressed just for this. I usually mean if I had to, like run a secret sex Hall and get your name on my ass. I mean, I just pass out. So I just was really

Senator. Lidia Thorpe  16:44  
freaking out about that's part

Zoë Coombs Marr  16:46  
of it. Like that's, I feel like I've really butchered the telling of this. Because it's so complex, there's so many layers of it. It's like they get them in and they're like, we're doing like a self help thing, we're gonna be better people. And then they like have all these different schemes. And then they the one of the things that they did in order to be kept. So they had a master slave pyramid, basically, and you only knew who your monster was, you didn't know who any of the other slaves are on your level, just them so they would miss it, you would have to message them if you wanted to eat. So you have to

Senator. Lidia Thorpe  17:14  
message them, like

Zoë Coombs Marr  17:15  
my ad calories master. And they would write back like yes, slave. And there was like literally like a game kind of thing that they did. And it's all these kind of things. But in order to get into that group, they had to give collateral what they call collateral, right? Which is like, literally just blackmail, though, just like give us something bad about yourself, like a nude picture or like a fact about your husband that if it came out, it'd be really bad. And so it's just like blackmail. Anyway, he's gonna go to jail for 120 years.

Lewis Hobba  17:50  
That's actually the craziest part that there's like a head of a sort of borderline religious organisation that's actually getting prosecuted possessed.

Unknown Speaker  17:57  
I know. I know.

Lewis Hobba  18:02  
I let him go.

Unknown Speaker  18:06  
This is a rational view.

Dan Ilic  18:10  
This makes that fair, Kim Kardashian turned 40. This is huge news for people on Instagram and young people, which is why we've got a token young person with us, Christo. Hello, can you fill us in? I assume I assume because America is in the grip of COVID-19 that Kim Kardashian West just had like a quiet night with the kids and candy and adopted sneakers.

Concetta Caristo  18:29  
Um, she absolutely did but on an absolutely private island with 40 of her best and closest COVID friends you know, this was so so I get to like I saw this blob on Twitter and here's the thing I'm like kim k the idea of her Stan I'm like okay, go up queen. I love the fat but like yes goals, but this I was like Kimmy you have let us down. Number one for being tone deaf. But number two, the dress that she's wearing in these pictures I have to say is fugly as hell. I was really disappointed in her. I was like, that looks like something you wear. I wore my year eight formal and it was bad. And I regret it. So that sort of is why I'm bringing this to the show you

Dan Ilic  19:10  
said about her and you said about her making all of her friends go into quarantine and Flinders will private island and putting people at risk of that island who work too for COVID-19. And then the gross use of huge amounts of wealth. Why 230,000 Americans dying? You wouldn't upset about that you're upset about

Concetta Caristo  19:29  
No no, it's the dress. That's why I need people to understand that the dress was ugly. You need to go on Twitter to see the steps you will know I was It's so stupid. And what's the best part about it? People if you don't know is that it's like a big meme now on Twitter and people have been posting like the quote of what she said of being like, I know that this like is really not possible for a lot of people in the world. And that's why I'm so grateful. And it was like yeah, Queen it's impossible for 95% of the whole world. But thank you so much. much for sharing it with us. And I just love memes and I love to see those two things come together. Kim k means it's just going absolutely off.

Lewis Hobba  20:07  
But people like forget that, if you needed like a warning sign about where this was going her birthday last year was Kenny G. Trapped in the house surrounded by roses and candles, playing his saxophone while she walked around the house.

Zoë Coombs Marr  20:28  
He was forced to do that he was a member

Concetta Caristo  20:30  
of celebrities when they pretend to be like us. We hate them when they just being themselves. We had them all the time. screw him. I just thought it was funny. That hashtag was this is 40. Like, she's like, this is okay. This is what 4040 he did. We don't know this is 40 is not for everyone.

Zoë Coombs Marr  20:54  
This is 40 I just got my floppy disk.

Dan Ilic  20:59  
Well, there's been calls for a federal ipecac. But I don't know if you know this. The federal government isn't into creating any kind of federal anti corruption commission, but they are doing something at least

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Unknown Speaker  22:11  
National Fair Murdoch uses news media nowadays basically just as a political propaganda you know it protects its friends and pushes the giant Barrow your fear is rational.

Dan Ilic  22:24  
It's been a bit of a strange wait for Victoria as lockdown restrictions were lifted for Melbourne much of the state was celebrating but for Jaguar and people and their supporters it's been a week of anguish and mourning is a sacred 300 year old ancestral tray was kept down for a highway. Joining us now is senator Lydia Thor but jarbo woman herself, whose mum Marjorie Thorpe is fighting state governments roadworks on country in the Victorian Supreme Court. Senator thank you for joining us. It's been a bit of a sad week for you has it been?

Senator. Lidia Thorpe  22:53  
Ah yeah, so has quite a big day today. In our country today I've been at the site it's quite incredible to know last time I was there sending me those trays out in the open around a fire and enjoying everyone's Company and today I go there and it's surrounded by wire fencing and and lots of big, very big men in very big hive is bit strutting their stuff. So yeah, it was a completely different saying that I will seem to today.

Dan Ilic  23:28  
Yeah, hive is is like the Redcoats of 2020.

Senator. Lidia Thorpe  23:34  
Well, yeah.

They were certainly there and using their powers and the high boots was was going off today. Because, yeah, they weren't letting anyone Nia as sacred trees out beautiful birthing train, which is 800 years old. And our grandfather tree, which is just as old, we weren't able to access that today. It's been completely fenced off. And that was really sad. How did

Dan Ilic  24:05  
your mom go today with the, with the ruling with the supreme court?

Senator. Lidia Thorpe  24:12  
Well, she did an incredible job. And we're now got a injunction which lasts until the 19th of November at 4:30pm. So it gives us a little bit of a reprieve and a chance to you know, strategize and plan our next move and continue to keep the pressure on and hopefully, if we say more lifting of the COVID restrictions, then we can get more people out there on the ground. I haven't spoken to mom I've tried to call her but she's too busy to talk to me.

Dan Ilic  24:55  
That's super interesting. What kind of strategy Do you think you can put in place between now and the non tank To change the course of the state government,

Senator. Lidia Thorpe  25:03  
well, we've just got to mobilise people as best way we can in, you know, under the COVID restrictions. And that's always a challenge. But that would be the, you know, I think we've mobilised a lot of people in this last week. That way, also need, you know, the strategies that we can use in Parliament for state and federal parliament. And there's also other legal avenues that we can take through the courts. So we're just going through all of that at the moment. And we'll come out fighting even stronger and harder, with many, many more people behind us, when you and your green greens colleagues took a motion to the floor and in the Victorian Parliament to kind of raise questions about the destruction of the tray. You mentioned in your case last week that you would get that right, you actually did in, in Parliament. So, so bringing this up? Well, apparently, so I'm not in the Victorian Parliament. I'm now in the federal parliament as a senator. So that was actually taken to the Victorian Parliament. And yes, say they were and I watched that, that we've, Sam hiddens, asking questions of the premier yesterday, I think. And yeah, you know, we're treated like a joke. It's just not we're not taken seriously, even the non Aboriginal people asking the questions in the parliament, taken seriously. So I don't know whether the government and the opposition think that this is a joke. They obviously haven't been to the area or understand or even given the time to learn about the stories and the connection, I'm sure that they have families and their children would really appreciate that, and give them a true identity to the nation that has the oldest continuing living culture. Right here.

Dan Ilic  26:56  
When do you think our leaders will wake up to the fact that Aboriginal history is the history of this country? And then there will be at least some kind of motive some of respect for it?

Senator. Lidia Thorpe  27:08  
Oh, well, we've been waiting a long time. So far. We're very patient, people we are. And we're very forgiving, and conciliatory people, I think. And, you know, I think people are becoming more aware, and more open to learning, I really don't know, I think that they probably need to check out their privilege check out, you know, how they can decolonize just a little, just to open up this country to what it truly ease. And that is a caring country with beautiful landscapes and beautiful people and connections and stories, not something that you just read in a book or watch on a television programme, it's actually something that is still very live, and well today. And hopefully, they get to say that and look, in the short time that I've been a politician. I've had those yards with other politicians on both sides of the fence. And they've come around, and they've been far more respectful and far more open to listening and learning from us. So, you know, I have hope that we can do that and change the nation. That's what I'd like to say, anyway, I can share,

Unknown Speaker  28:23  
do you feel like

Dan Ilic  28:26  
a tokenizing? It was a young person. Do you feel like that the place to live that young people are much more attuned to Aboriginal culture as Australian culture than even people? 10 years older than you?

Concetta Caristo  28:40  
I think yes. Like, I think, you know, it's something that when I think about young people, it's like, we're more aware, we're more accepting, we're more like, keen to understand and like things change. So quickly, do you want any more as I feel like, you tend to feel with older generations, they can feel, they don't want to listen, they're stuck in their ways, and that kind of thing. Like, it's young people that can and want to mobilise that, like, in people younger than me that like inspire me and a learning and understanding why it's so important and like not something that you can just, you know, take as a joke, like the government is or not take it seriously or forget about it or anything like that. Senator, do

Lewis Hobba  29:21  
you want to ask question, this might be a bit practical, but as someone who didn't wasn't in Victorian wasn't aware that this destruction was going to happen until until it happened. It seems crazy to me that it's a road like this can turn you know that you can you can turn around this is not an immovable project. What's the logic that they have here for not doing this?

Senator. Lidia Thorpe  29:42  
Wow, that's a good question. There. There were many alternatives put to the government which they did not want to entertain one of their own growth employees. In fact, I agreed with one of the alternative routes and I'm not sure whether that person still has a job or not. So You know that there were alternatives. And it's not the chapter on people want to stop anyone fixing the road to make it safer for people. It's not like jump around, people don't want the the highway to be widened. But we just wanted to sit down and negotiate a way where we could protect significant cultural heritage and have a road and keep people safe. But that was never afforded to jump around people. And they can say that they've consulted through their processes and all of that. But that simply has just not happened.

Dan Ilic  30:36  
Senator, have you pitched at all a series of $90 billion submarines to ferry cars?

Senator. Lidia Thorpe  30:47  
Well, you know, the Minister, Susan lies of the federal government, in fact, at particular satellite in the same way that she declined protecting Jefferson country. So that's where people are at in terms of our politicians. And that's what we have to try. Try quartermaine who's an Aboriginal comedian, he said on Facebook this week, he said Australians won't realise what they've lost until they see the avatar sequels. And I thought that was

Dan Ilic  31:20  
that was really sad, but a really great jog

Senator. Lidia Thorpe  31:23  
and look on the avatar film and and I thought,

Unknown Speaker  31:31  
it looks like it was

Dan Ilic  31:33  
so special. Yeah, it was crazy. So we'd like it. What Lewis said before was so interesting. Like, as someone who lives in so called Sydney, I had no idea this was happening until you know, it was far too late. And it's so it's sad that this moment has had to happen for us to be awakened to this cultural moment right now, and perhaps a lot more of Australia know what's happening on jabber on country. And we can we can pitch in to help some somehow,

Senator. Lidia Thorpe  31:58  
yeah, look, it's a bit like George Floyd, hey, Black Lives Matter and took a black man in another country, to be killed by police, for this country to wake up and realise that we have a problem here. So I just think that you know, to mature as a nation, we really need to start telling the truth, and learn our history, so that we can move forward together. Senator, thank you so much for joining us on irrational fear tonight. My absolute pleasure, thank you very much.

Dan Ilic  32:30  
Well, that is all we have time for a rational for rational view tonight. big thank you to send a linear thought and a big everlasting thanks to a fee among us tonight. Zoe foster Blake.

Unknown Speaker  32:44  
Like extra knowledge,

Dan Ilic  32:48  
terms, ma Do you guys have anything to plug sorry, do you want if you want to plug anything? I'm doing a

Zoë Coombs Marr  32:56  
couple of shows in real life in Sydney as part of the two queres festival a giant dwarf coming up so that's, I think, like the 14th and maybe 12 to the 14th of November.

Dan Ilic  33:08  
And if you have stand be shuttle hook at Zoe's stand lockdown special No, I mean that the stand up specials on prime a good toe but this the lockdown special is particularly particularly off the wall and just a genius bit of content that I've ever seen in my entire life. So check to check that out from consider Do

Concetta Caristo  33:34  
you want to plug anything? I have no shows like sorry, but I'll lean into being a young person and plug sort of my socials if you want to follow me on Instagram. It's concetto worldwide, and Twitter congenic Christo and sort of watch me go off there live every day.

Dan Ilic  33:51  
And Lewis you wanna plug anything?

Lewis Hobba  33:52  
No, dad save all still doing radio. If you don't need to listen.

To the show today you would have heard

Senator. Lidia Thorpe  34:09  
that was me.

Dan Ilic  34:14  
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Unknown Speaker  0:00  
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Dan Ilic  0:06  
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Lewis Hobba  0:45  
That is amazing. Fixed. Take that Paris accord.

Dan Ilic  0:51  
We do have about 3000 people that do listen to this. So you know if they all did it, we'd be able to pull out you know, 10,000 tonnes of carbon.

Lewis Hobba  0:59  
That's great. That's really great. And then we just made enough money to be able to afford a zoo membership and then we'll be all good.

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To go neutral. Click on the links in the show notes. I'm recording my end of irrational fear on gadigal land in the your nation, sovereignty was never ceded. We need a treaty. Let's stop the shark.

ALAN JONES  1:17  
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Dan Ilic  1:30  
Tonight, a New Yorker writer was suspended of allegations of masturbating on a zoom call but according to insiders, he was just after a race. And ABC journalist Laura tingle is supposed to apologise after labelling Scott Morrison smug on Twitter, because ABC editorial style insists that when labelling the Prime Minister smug it must be followed by and with the launch of the new Sacha Baron Cohen movie today, Health Authority is a warning that ball rat voice will begin to spread When asked if bore at voice had infected anyone yet a senior health official answered my wife. It's Friday the 23rd of October and everything is very dies. This is irrational fear.

Looking irrational fear. I'm your host former Vatican City Cardinal Denny let's let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. She's a writer, performer, comedian, director. You may know her from her appearances on utopia to nightly and the chaser podcast. Or you may have just seen her jokes about common social media. It's Nina ayama. Hello, welcome Nina. How's it going? Oh, it's great. It's really great to have you. I didn't

Nina Oyama  2:45  
know who was gonna be like I was like waiting for the credits or else it was good. Like

Unknown Speaker  2:52  
Who is it? Who is it?

Dan Ilic  2:55  
It's pretty much the same. She's one of Australia's funniest people though. She was born in New Zealand, but thankfully she's chosen one of our people to breed with. From tonight lay and drunk history. It's comedian satirist and filmmaker. grittily Jackson,

Greta Lee-Jackson  3:07  
Daniel Lewis tonight Naina

Unknown Speaker  3:10  
it's great to have you.

Lewis Hobba  3:12  
And it's a we feel I feel particularly Brady Bunch today. I think normally with like our old zoom system when we could afford it. It was like much more in line. And now we're all in a little box together and I feel like we just need Alice

Nina Oyama  3:29  
you've never you've never graduated to grid mode Lewis there was no way you can you can have a Brady Bunch look on zoom to

Unknown Speaker  3:39  
I don't want to know about options. You know what I mean? I

Nina Oyama  3:42  
really I'm the opposite. I'm out here changing my background, you know, causing causing a ruckus changing my screen name to stupid slot and then going into a work meeting.

Lewis Hobba  3:54  
Yeah, you should work at the New Yorker.

Nina Oyama  3:57  
than that, no, I would have to take my screen. I'm just stupid, ya know,

Lewis Hobba  4:08  
tilting the camera down and putting your head down. It is a real Giuliani situation. You're gonna have to you're gonna have to,

Unknown Speaker  4:16  
sorry, sorry, I thought I was on mute.

Dan Ilic  4:22  
Coming up, we have to face in fees, but also a little later on. We're gonna be talking to Tiana Tiana. He's a greens MP who just want to sit in the New Zealand election at Palmerston North. It's going to be exciting. We're gonna be asking him why New Zealand labour insists on spelling their name correctly, and how we can all move to New Zealand. But first of all, I don't know if you've seen this. Alan Jones is back in the news. Not only did he go on Sky this weekend has it covered. 19 was an epidemic but he's actually suing our friends at the feed. Have you guys seen this? for defamation? Yeah. Do you guys want to sign anything or just leave it up to me

Unknown Speaker  5:00  
On this well,

Dan Ilic  5:01  
Alan Jones had something to say about this a little earlier on this week.

ALAN JONES  5:09  
Good morning, everyone. Yes, it is true. I'm suing SPS for defamation. What he you asked SPS. You can be defamed if there's any three people watching TV and they can't speak English. I totally agree with you. They're hypothetical Lister. But their little skit went on the internet with a potential audience of 7 billion in the videos so called comedian Alex Lee portrayed me as a misogynist, racist and a liar. Now Miss Lee who happens to be an Asian woman Mind you, is totally wrong. Let me tell you something, just because I go around saying misogynistic things doesn't make me a misogynist. Whatever sojourners insist that a woman Prime Minister be put in a chat bag and be thrown out to say yes, but also can someone who isn't a misogynist suggest that too unlikely, but it's a possibility. And just because I incited the largest ever race riot in Australian history, it doesn't make me a racist. If anything, I'm pro race, more races the barrier. I have a long history of loving races, particularly the Everest, the richest horse race in Australia. And let me tell you, just because I constantly lie about climate change doesn't make me a liar. I'm telling you my truth and my truth is the opposite of whatever the facts are. If the scientists say it's climate change, they're wrong. If the medical experts say it's a pandemic, they're wrong. If the views ecologists say that Anthony Claire is overrated, they are so wrong. What a voice. So let this be a warning to any tree hugging comedians out there. If I'm a racist, misogynist liar, then my name isn't Alan Jones. I'm Alan Jones.

Dan Ilic  6:46  
There we go. Alan Jones, thank you very much.

Nina Oyama  6:48  
You haven't been sued for your impersonation of Alan Jones. Maybe your entire career did and and he just hasn't given a fuck I've been trying. That's the

Dan Ilic  6:59  
only way I can get listeners to this podcast is to be sued and no one's done it. It's terrible. It's terrible. Well, let's get on with the fears first fear tonight. Yesterday, it said it estimates the CEO of Australia Post admitted that she gave for senior staff watches valued at $3,000 each, because they worked very hard. The CFO couldn't confirm if the gifts were purchased on the company credit card but he could confirm they didn't pay for postage. Executives need to watch till the time for many executives of Australia Post The time is to shred documents. That's what says on their watch. While you're in if you ever are in an Australia Post, so you actually don't need a watch because it's always 1998 that's that's how you know. I don't know if you've been to a post office lately. You could be forgiven. They just kind of had them lying around. I don't know it's not inconceivable that these watches could have been found among the Andre rieu action figures and Kerri Anne Kennerley foot massages. Also you have to feel for Australia Post to the appropriate Thank you gifts of this calibre hard to find after all, Amazon was sold out of parcels of land rezoned for the Western Sydney Airport this week. So it's a bit disappointing. Sophie mangas is getting a $3,000 watch as a thank you gift acceptable if you work for organisation that's owned by the government, Louis harbour,

Lewis Hobba  8:15  
I'd like to jump in on that one. Absolutely not more should do it. I cannot stress it off that even more government organisations should be giving their employees $3,000 watches I I don't necessarily want to say who but I if anyone wants to do it the IBC is there and I

Nina Oyama  8:37  
just have something to do with you currently working for a government organisation

Lewis Hobba  8:41  
all upside is there's nothing on this wrist you know it's going a little hungry. Lonely needs a car ta that's Yeah, I guess millionaires

Nina Oyama  8:53  
watching right now.

Unknown Speaker  8:58  
Why don't you just use the phone.

Dan Ilic  9:00  
I'm with you Grand Ole Jackson die. It was really great on Twitter today. One of the people who run social media for Australia Post had a bit of a sense of humour and he was dealing with a dealing with some sort of complaint said I'm very light rested today. That is really nice.

Lewis Hobba  9:15  
They should have just yeah usually in like tech startups they give you stocks and bonds or whatever like they give you shares in the company. They should have given him $3,000 worth of stamps.

Nina Oyama  9:26  
That's right and like a lot rested as well to go back to an earlier story.

Dan Ilic  9:32  
And not just any stamps I should give you like first proof stamps that go up in value then they can get they can absolutely do that. They can absolutely some

Lewis Hobba  9:39  
of those weird coins that they always have tucked up the back you know like Kieran Perkins is first steps this

Dan Ilic  9:48  
in question to him today Scott Morrison said the CEO of Australia should stand aside which he has But why? Which is like the he got so outraged. It was so strange to see him get outraged about 12,000 dollars but he didn't get outraged at all about sports rots.

Lewis Hobba  10:04  
That's why he asked her to leave. It's like, if you get a roll, roll it big go

Dan Ilic  10:08  
big go go, hon. Yeah, if you're gonna roll it, you know, have a gasoline recovery, a stamp led recovery would be fine.

Lewis Hobba  10:16  
If you just invest if you just give like a couple of million dollars to a coalition state to build a women's change room for a sports team that does not have a women's team. Okay? watches that Time's up.

Unknown Speaker  10:29  
Turn on cnn.

Unknown Speaker  10:31  
COVID COVID COVID COVID COVID you know why they're trying to?

ALAN JONES  10:37  
People aren't buying at CNN, you

Unknown Speaker  10:40  
know, fear is rational.

Dan Ilic  10:42  
Last weekend on Twitter, the internet decided that out of the full shirtless rich white men named Chris in Hollywood. Chris Pratt was the worst coming in behind Chris Pine, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth. All the celebs you can imagine came out to defend Chris Pratt against the joke name it forced the Avengers to once again combined on Twitter to defend his honour. In the next round, though, prep will have to go up against Chris Lilley, Christopher Pyne, Chris Brown and Dr. Chris Brown. Now Nina is dumping on Chris Pratt worth it?

Nina Oyama  11:12  
Yes, yes. I think he's reaction was dumb as hell also Can I just say Dr. Chris Brown would totally be the best Chris in that second line up that you said. Um, I think my thing is like, it was the worst crease out of four Chris's you just the fourth best, Chris. Why is everyone so angry? It's quite a good thing to be the fourth best because and you're already is like a show. It's not even the most hated Chris. Like there's a show called Everybody Hates Chris. And it's about Chris Rock. Yeah. And the fact of about so angry about Chris that I don't understand. I think it's just fragile egos to be honest.

Lewis Hobba  11:52  
Can you imagine though like being being one of those Chris's spending your life going? I just want to be an actor to be a famous actor. I want to be a Hollywood star. And then you finally do. And you're one of the most famous people in the world, but you're still not even the most famous Chris. Like it must be so annoying that they all came up at the same time. Like Chris Pratt is a fucking global mega star. He is like he's a Jurassic Park superstar. And he's not they're not voting.

Nina Oyama  12:23  
But they're not voting on fame dead death voting on like best as in like best personality. I think that could be good reason is because Chris Pratt is a known Republican. And that's why everyone's dunking on him because he's a slightly undecided political views.

Dan Ilic  12:39  
Yeah, there's it's very, it's very polemic over there. They're all like dirt dunking on him because he's at Hillsong. And his, you know, talk about how sales on LGBT friendly.

Nina Oyama  12:49  
They have conversion camps.

Dan Ilic  12:51  
And he's dunking on Chris Pratt, because he didn't go to a Biden fundraiser where all the other single Avengers went to this Biden fundraiser. So it's real. It but he doesn't actually he's not very overtly pro Republican. He's just kind of just drives a truck and shoots animals.

Nina Oyama  13:09  
Oh, I mean, yeah, I was gonna say I've been to his Instagram for research, definitely not sexual purposes. But I was truly shocked at the amount of guns and stuff like that. I was like, oh, oh, it doesn't fit with his character from Parks and Rec. And that's when everyone knows him from and he's this adorable puppy dog type character. That's what people have said to probably they're like, How can that be the same person is that they can't separate the actor from the character. I think it's because he got skinny is because he used to be a fat Democrat. Any Republican, that's what happens

when you become a right winger,

Lewis Hobba  13:47  
he was zero, Doc 30. Right. So I feel like people should just try to watch that over and over again and be like, hey, kills staple. Oh, hey, killed Osama Bin Ladin, so he should be a national hero as well. Yeah.

Dan Ilic  13:59  
Very, very difficult. Very, very difficult. But no one hikes like you can't people must be able to separate the character from the person because nobody ever don't dunk on Ben Mendelsohn. I mean, he plays every single evil person ever bad.

Unknown Speaker  14:14  
Yeah, he does. He does a good body Commando. What are his political views?

Greta Lee-Jackson  14:22  
Do I have to fight?

Lewis Hobba  14:25  
I also how good is like Chris Hemsworth at the moment, he basically just travelled without a passport. Like I feel like every time I open the news, like Chris Chris Hemsworth is in Tasmania like was no one's allowed in Tasmania? I just feel like Chris Hemsworth is can just show up anyway. Definitely in Australia if not the world and no one would ask the question of him just like please go striker.

Nina Oyama  14:48  
Oh, up a bang out about like, all the time is hot privilege. He's got hot privilege. Yeah. And that picture of him with a baby. In fact, I don't think that he has a possible I just think he has a he Baby and he just brings it and you just say a man that hot with a kid that cute and you just your ovaries melt your testicles melt it doesn't matter what what sexuality you identify as it's just you let him on the plane

Dan Ilic  15:13  
Louis ever since you had your your your your jaw fixed. Have you ever noticed that you have hot privilege because you would have a definite before and after?

Lewis Hobba  15:22  
Yes, Dan. Doors open for me as you can tell.

Nina Oyama  15:27  
Have you had your joy fix Louis?

Lewis Hobba  15:29  
Yeah, I had a well, I this was like

Dan Ilic  15:33  
last year he looked like Christopher Pratt, but, like in 2001. But now he looks like Chris Hemsworth is pretty

Lewis Hobba  15:41  
cool. Yeah, yeah.

No, I have exactly

Nina Oyama  15:45  
the same for what it's worth just.

Lewis Hobba  15:52  
Yeah, see Dan, as you can tell the hot privilege.

David Barnden  15:56  
I'm still getting dunked on by NATO.

Unknown Speaker  15:59  
Rational fear. I was always getting in trouble for getting naked. They're like you can't just pull your dick out. I was like,

Unknown Speaker  16:05  
this is

Unknown Speaker  16:05  
a rational view.

Dan Ilic  16:07  
It's time for a feature interview. I interview a guest tonight on irrational fear has a brand new job after years of campaigning and working at NGOs all over the world supporting indigenous peoples as of this week, Tiana to you know, is now an elected representative for the greens party in New Zealand representing Palmerston North. He's also a father of four. It's a real privilege to have him on the show because he stayed up like to be on killer app. Tiana.

Unknown Speaker  16:34  
Congrats.

Teanau Tuniono  16:39  
Thanks for having me. I'm sick. I'm day four on the job he literally did on Saturday night. Yeah.

Nina Oyama  16:45  
How are you gonna say I'm on day four of a bender.

Teanau Tuniono  16:52  
Day for parliamentary Binda. Yeah. I've just landed from from a big long campaign that was that was going on. We did part of it for lockdown. And then it got extended for another four weeks. So it was like a bit of a long haul. But um, yeah, we've got 10 green MPs. And we're hoping to get a 20 get my buddy Steve Abel and from Greenpeace. So special boats go away, we'll hit the limit. Hey, can you give us a little bit of a rundown about how the differences between NZ and OC politics in in like a sentence or a paragraph in politics from here and it looks like one of the great mysteries of the university. I mean, we've got a MMP system here. And so it's so you have people that run for electorates. And then you have there's a proportion set aside for all party for Pat for a party list. So all the green employees we came in on pilotless so we got 7.5% simple, it's something rather pricy another boat, and mate got us 10 and it goes to the MPs. Because you guys got state. I mean, you got federal and stuff like they've already got one house. Yeah. Yeah, right.

Nina Oyama  18:08  
Now, my theory on the difference between us and Australian politics is that I'm not us. So New Zealand, in Australian politics, is that people in New Zealand are just generally nicer and better people. And they elect good people because of that. That sounds legit to me.

Lewis Hobba  18:23  
I wish I could just be re watching it watching like the latest debate was. I mean, I know that you weren't involved. But it was such a stark contrast to the rest of the world. It was it was just a bunch of people agreeing with each other like this is less contentious than a year nine debate in Australia. This is outrageous.

Teanau Tuniono  18:43  
People in New Zealand could have been better

actually had the privilege of being we had our first Modi said Modi Modi is the indigenous language about it on his own. So I had the privilege of being in our first the first ever televised multi language election debate. So it's all I'm all in Mali. And that was good because it had like, a had a real different kind of feel to it. Because it was because we had to let them be observed, you know, protocol and stuff like that. So we were, we were I would say pull but but I'm very indigenous with each other. So it was it was a New Zealand First and I was like I was really stoked to be part of that.

Dan Ilic  19:24  
And that's really awesome that didn't one of our listeners asked the question they asked why doesn't New Zealand embrace the democracy sausage? Are you aware of this cultural phenomenon around around Australians election

Teanau Tuniono  19:37  
workers exhausted so we don't bother with the Trump's.

Dan Ilic  19:41  
When we when we go and vote, we end up getting a sausage sizzle at the community hall or whatever right after and that's a symbolism of about democracy. But apparently that doesn't happen in NZ. Do you know what?

Teanau Tuniono  19:56  
I could do my career

No, that's not a thing for us. Okay,

Lewis Hobba  20:05  
now tell us are there any snacks at all?

Teanau Tuniono  20:10  
When I bought it, it was very snake free?

Dan Ilic  20:14  
would have been good. Let's talk about the biggest question here the labour majority, it's been a big, incredible win for labour, how do you think, as a greens member, you'll be able to keep them accountable.

Teanau Tuniono  20:27  
The vast majority of the seats in an MP MP system they are they're the first party to actually achieve a majority of seats. So it's your territory for us and, and within this political system as well. So all the cards are all on the table for them, you know, they've got all the cards. But you know, we've got our we've got our policy priorities around, you know, like, taking ambitious climate action, and showing that we do the best for people who are underneath the under the poverty line. And making sure that as we move through the COVID crisis that you know, there's the climate crisis and the crisis of biodiversity and across all of that the crisis of inequality so we've got our things that we need to keep pushing on as well. My guess is we can work together that that would be raised that we would but yeah, New Zealand I

Dan Ilic  21:20  
got to do. nz labour seems to be kind of on the front foot no global leaders if you like when it comes to climate change and climate action. In Australia, we're barely managing to do that to do anything that resembles anything looks like climate action, instead is one of the few countries that is kind of committed to net zero by 2050. Australia is doing net zero perhaps maybe by 2300 it's looking like how do you think New Zealand can apply pressure to its neighbours like Australia to take

Teanau Tuniono  21:50  
just is it but um, but you know, we look as we can with labour in the last time we did measure we measure quite a few things I've highlighted the zero carbon levels, what he talked about, which is that putting that framework in place, but understand that it's just the beginning you have the framework, then you've actually got to do the work ramp up your your your climate ambition, particularly for us in the area of agriculture. And we also had the ban of new permits on offshore oil drilling as well which is really really important. divestment assessment and Kiwi saver in terms of those those those companies invest in fossil fuels as well. So these these are these are really concrete things that we have achieved. But in terms of pressure

Nina Oyama  22:33  
suggestion, um, if for applying pressure to government Look, I'm not one I don't usually I don't think countries invading other countries is usually a good idea, but um, would you ever just considered just like fully invading Australia and just take just taken the fuck over? Because I just think you guys

Lewis Hobba  22:53  
need help out, we'd like leaving.

Teanau Tuniono  22:55  
Yeah, maybe I'll mention that you sit

Nina Oyama  23:00  
here and just sort of suggest just a casual war. Like,

please be on board. But I'll defect, I'll defect. It is

Dan Ilic  23:10  
kind of interesting, because we all can't move to New Zealand like we'd like to, but maybe New Zealand could just make Australia and New Zealand that way. You know, we'd all be New Zealanders.

Nina Oyama  23:21  
That could be a great phrase make Australia, New Zealand again.

Teanau Tuniono  23:27  
That's gonna be willing to

Dan Ilic  23:31  
tell us a bit about your background and things that you're really passionate about, and why you kind of got into politics after years of working in activism.

Teanau Tuniono  23:39  
Yeah, well, it may not fished activists and I might be the last activist tip of joining the greens. I mean, it's actually part of our tradition, our proud tradition. I was on the board of Greenpeace previously before this as well. And I've worked at the climate change negotiations, I was at the UN Paris for the Paris Climate treaty, for example. My background is in law and of the intersection of indigenous peoples and the environment for a very long time. I've come up to Australia actually quite a few times with with Aboriginal activists that sum it up to borroloola, where they've been organised against the uranium mine up there as well, but the MacArthur river, so it got some long standing relationships with some some good folks up that way. It's just been my life. And some of the activists will cease to be an activist as I get older

Unknown Speaker  24:31  
screen anymore.

Teanau Tuniono  24:34  
Something that doesn't require that much movement. Even

Unknown Speaker  24:39  
after a tree, that's cool. That's

Teanau Tuniono  24:44  
the guy Steve Abel, who was just happy to be here actually. They were trying to cut down some trees up in Oakland and he was up a tree in the middle of the campaign, trying to save some native trees.

Nina Oyama  24:55  
Well, that puts me to shame I'm a big click to vist I like to share on Facebook. Is there

Dan Ilic  25:00  
the hype that they reach people? If there's a petition Naina will be there to support that petition? I don't know to know, like there's some there's been a good precedent of the newly minted politicians jumping in the activist game like AOC, jumping into that sunrise movement campaign, and Nancy Pelosi is office in her first few months, I mean, that you can do it and what actions are you going to be doing in the next few months?

Teanau Tuniono  25:26  
in the planning stage at the moment, like seeing what, what formation the government will actually hear, right. And then it's about sort of putting those priorities and chairs, all the stuff that we campaigned on. And the things that we can get over the line are the things we can get over the line, the things that we can't get when we have campaign mode, that's how I see it. That's, that's, that's all the things, because, you know, we've got, like, if you look at the quality with people losing their jobs and stuff like that, making sure that there is enough there for people so that people have all everything that they need, in terms of housing, and food and all that kind of stuff, and how that actually filters down and support sub children, but also their families and communities. Their stuff for me is really important. Well, Deanna, thank you so much for joining us in irrational fear. It's really great. I've written you slogan for your next next run.

Dan Ilic  26:18  
It's not what you know, it's DNA.

Lewis Hobba  26:32  
It was a real pleasure to me and I as a yet quite I'm sure you could tell from our tone. We're all very jealous of your whole country. What you've done. Yeah.

Teanau Tuniono  26:42  
I've been coming to sharlie weekend with like, ever collectibles for over 20 years, my good mates. And Australia surprises me with the large number of really progressive people over there. And then there as the number of people live

that part of the spectrum as well. Yeah.

Nina Oyama  27:06  
Yeah. It's like what you can get done and what you can achieve in a country without a stranglehold of the Murdoch press.

Lewis Hobba  27:11  
Yeah,

Nina Oyama  27:12  
well, that doesn't exist, you know. Yeah. I know. They always talk about silent majority as being conservative, but I reckon they're actually progressive.

Unknown Speaker  27:21  
Yeah,

Lewis Hobba  27:22  
yeah. Did you wish to speak up?

Dan Ilic  27:25  
is trying that's what I mean. That's one of the things that always goes on about saying that she'd never get elected if she was if she was in Australia and she just give up politics because because the price would make it too hard to operate. Yeah, but I think like what how New Zealand is really tackling the challenges of fossil fuel subsidies and and that kind of stuff as well is so important, and really takes the power out of out of fossil fuels inside parliament, which we don't have. Our government is pretty much an extension of the fossil fuel lobby.

Teanau Tuniono  28:01  
Yeah, I noticed it's Yeah, it's no good.

All the other issues as well.

Lewis Hobba  28:14  
You're on board before you

will kick in eventually.

Dan Ilic  28:20  
Yes. Yeah. No, we didn't do one Kiwi accent joy this this. Big thanks to our fear mongers tonight. Nina Yama, Gridley Jackson Lewis haba. And Tiana to know thank you so much for joining us.

Unknown Speaker  28:35  
Thanks for having us.

Dan Ilic  28:36  
Thank you guys. Do you guys have Do you guys have anything Deployment Manager in a plug? Anything?

Lewis Hobba  28:44  
Good is like to plug any baby. Great One. Really good baby

Dan Ilic  28:48  
manager wanna plug anything?

Nina Oyama  28:50  
Ah, the chase report podcast drops every Thursday or Friday, depending on what we feel like.

Dan Ilic  28:58  
gretta while you're breastfeeding, do you want to plug anything?

Nina Oyama  29:03  
Quiet and then I was like, Thanks, Dad.

Greta Lee-Jackson  29:10  
Kitty could say

Unknown Speaker  29:15  
Teddy.

Unknown Speaker  29:19  
What a beautiful fella. And Tiana Tiana, do you want to plug anything?

Teanau Tuniono  29:23  
Oh, yeah. Shout out to all the social justice and environmental environmental activists over the Australia.

Lewis Hobba  29:33  
Your gates unlocked on a date as yet to be specified.

Dan Ilic  29:41  
Louis, anything.

Lewis Hobba  29:45  
Please Yeah, we will. Not end same old same old for me.

Dan Ilic  29:49  
Excellent. big thank you to Maddie Palma, Adam boys Kilian, David Kim Williams, Kiran castellina. And of course, Jakob round on the tech and tepanyaki timeline. Big thanks to rod marks the birth of foundation going yearold Patreon supporters, and until next week, there's always scared of good

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