This episode features a conversation with Ezra Klein, New York Times columnist and host of The Ezra Klein Show, and Derek Thompson, Atlantic staff writer, author, and host of the Plain English podcast. 

Scott discusses with Ezra and Derek their new book, “Abundance,” which is all about how America learned to fail at abundance — and how the left can fix it by embracing growth, progress, and the messy trade-offs of governing. 

Follow Ezra, @ezraklein.

Follow Derek, @DKThomp.

Scott opens with his thoughts on the pros and cons of living in the UK. 

Algebra of Happiness: action absorbs anxiety. 

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