In this episode, we talk with Tiina Otala about Reimagining upper Education, a case of Aalto University. I really appreciate the idea of "how do we support multidisciplinary" and Tiina takes the examples of the different department spaces " they blend, nothing needs to stand up more than the rest". How is a space inviting well-being in very concrete ways, and how students can choose to experiment-based learning or a more academic approach setting foundation. The culture of " learn by doing mistakes", and my absolute favorite this time, how is your idea, your design, creation, prototype stands the test of " future proof", how Tiina calls it " students and teachers will challenge your creation with the future proof". How do we practice imagination and vision for learning spaces where people- researchers, students, and teachers feel so easy to approach projects from many different perspectives, Tiina mentions " it is so easy, as all spaces are so transparent, you accidentally meet people", you cannot avoid cooperation, collaboration and getting your work supported by others work. Besides the transparency factor, is "scale it down" element, students don't want to leave this place, they learn, work, socialize, eat, and create their own personal events, "it feels like really your home, comfortable place" although we are talking about the 2nd largest University in Finland. We talk about the ecosystem, and last but not least future thinking, as Tiina can see how her work will develop. In this article we develop more the topic of "future proof" spaces https://actonlearning.org/future-proof-spaces/