In this episode of the Hopecast, Dr. Goodall is joined by the Academy Award winning writer, director, and producer, Adam McKay. Adam McKay’s most recent feature is the Netflix comedy Don’t Look Up, starring Jennifer Lawrence and Leonardo DiCaprio. The film is a biting satire ultimately aimed at the capricious and tumultuous state of the world for the last several years. In this lively conversation, Jane and Adam discuss the reasons behind the creation of the film and what Adam sees as the barriers to human action on existential threats. Jane and Adam believe passionately and emphatically that storytelling can have a massive impact on society, by letting people see themselves, while also reflecting a mirror on the best and worst of us. As Jane has said in the past, we must be aware of the facts, but the facts will not induce change. We must connect our hearts with our brains through storytelling. Adam shares that a huge reason for the creation of the film is the belief that comedy is a critical component of this connection as he believes that “when we’re all laughing together, there’s community,” and that we ultimately need to “feel emotion about what we could lose.”

At the End of the Rainbow: Stay to the end of the episode to hear an archival clip of Dr. Goodall discussing the initial resistance she faced from the scientific community in the 1960s and how science, as a peer reviewed process, can evolve new thinking, and did - thanks to Jane.