The two most successful wildlife conservation models in the world are the North American and African models, both of which rely upon hunting. However, hunting North America is increasing in cost and is more and more reliant upon lottery systems with many hunts requiring decades of applications to get the state’s permission to hunt. Cliff Gray is a professional hunter and guide with a lifetime of hunting experience and recently returned from his first trip to Africa. This is the most honest and frank conversation you’ve ever heard about African hunting and we spend time discussing the differences between that and the western hunting experience.