On this episode, Kris and I are back to the ongoing conversation about magic and art. We discuss the earth’s blood, the business of metaphor, The Throne of the Third Heaven, a face-tatted trench coat in a house of monsters, free advice about gambling addiction, Terence McKenna, and a Crossroads Man.

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Follow Kris on twitter: @KrisSaknussemm

Keep your fingers crossed for a Reverend America reissue at some point.

Artists mentioned:

James Hampton

William Kurelek

If you like the music and mixing in this episode, check out ous/li.

On this episode, I (JDO) record my end from inside my 2005 Nissan Altima. I drive around OKC, noting the things that I see, and Kris recounts stories from his time wandering around America looking for work. We talk about the difference between family and friends, networks of Indian convenience stores, outdoor couches, opossum hunters, my week as a radical animal liberation terrorist, the significance of and issues with Black Lives Matter, and finally, blowguns.

Max Booth II came on the show. He is the author of The Nightly Disease, Touch the Night, and We Need to Do Something. He also hosts the podcast Ghoulish. Follow him at @GiveMeYourTeeth on twitter.

Topic list:

kink shaming

key and peel

prestige tv

zima chug

quitting the night shift

the value of walking

are you gay

does twitter make sense

2 girls 1 cup

living in a hotel

home alone is the actual christmas movie

expertisism

no more chads

tweeting about success

getting rid of social media

corona talk

parents who gamble

you can’t be anything at 17

don’t cancel anyone

don’t kill anyone

it’s all so silly

not ready to die

On this episode, Kris and I discuss bringing language into the physical, the sacredness of speech, the transcendence of a blue heron, and how certain objects attain a kind of soul once they are used. What does it mean to verb a name? I also give a little update about the developing mystery surrounding the mental hospital I live near, which involves a force that may be thousands of years old.

Please send any thoughts you might have about the content of our show to [email protected].

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Thanks for listening!

This week it is my honor to swapcast with my favorite podcast, Rune Soup! In this episode, we use the 90s classic graphic novel The Invisibles to work out how to grow and adapt to the coming storm.

Gordon White is the author of Star.Ships, The Chaos Protocols, and Pieces of Eight.

Tracklist:

my ghost story

blogging

don’t talk about shit before it’s done

the mind virus

do people like to be afraid?

gordon and david describe the invisibles

covered in potting soil

 the spell of the conspiracy

no one thinks they’re the bad guy

conspiracy is acting in class interest

against control

if you are being atomized, we are in the presence of the archons

the time that grant put himself in the book

don’t abuse your metaphor

i thought alan moore was cool

metaphor comes first

how you play is what you win

wanna win? don’t play

australia has always been a police state

active non-participation

tim dillon lovefest

the big 5 cabal

jdo’s bizarro origin story

time loops and mushroom tech

the invisibles is from the ‘90s

the future and value of novels

JDO here. On this episode, Kris and I follow up on our idea of writing as explorative rather than expressive. We discuss the sensory impact of Oklahoma, the people in my neighborhood, fitting into a place, performative weirdness versus natural weirdness, Kafka, The Flaming Lips, David Lynch, the musicality of the word "Oklahoma," incorporating words from other languages, and the magic of metaphor.

I hope you're enjoying this new show. Kris and I are having a blast.

The JDO Show is back with Houston writer Kelby Losack. On this episode, we talk about:

mike jones

pseudonyms

the illusion of realistic writing

recording dialogue

in the shit

a day in the life of a wild man

human baseball bat

welfare by steve anwyll

sam pink

real

underground indie rap

selling books

people read all day

liveblog by megan boyle

literally show me a healthy person by darcie wilder

the sluts by dennis cooper

really gay online

alice knott by blake butler

the only good indians by stephen graham jones

dune

marigold by troy james weaver

hurricane season

working for yourself

the secret to american health care

agorism

baby talk

don't hit your kids

encounters with stepdads

don't fight at the gas station

breaking bad

the strange high of being wild

the invisibles by grant morrison

music and mixing by ous/li

Hey everyone, JDO here. Welcome to my brand new podcast NO COUNTRY, which I cohost with cult writer, nature photographer, and "failed anthropologist" Kris Saknussemm. NO COUNTRY is about Magic (from Jungian/Western occult/indigenous perspectives), how to revive books and literature, and why we love America, even though we both feel like strangers here most of the time.

This is a podcast that exists because it's a small niche that I hadn't seen filled quite yet: the intersection of magic, books, and dudes being dudes. Kris is an excellent storyteller, and we swap stories back and forth about how to understand place, encounters with shamans and street people, and how tornadoes are gods.

I'm restarting the "interview" style JDO Show as well, so eventually NO COUNTRY will have its own home. I figured I'd use this platform initially to show as many people as possible. This one is professionally mixed, too. So it sounds great.

I hope you enjoy it, and I hope you tune in for more episodes in the future.

If you like the music, that was done by Ous/Li. Check out his music here.

Hey folks! This will be the last episode of the JDO Show for a few months. I'm moving soon, so Rob and I will live closer to each other, and we're cooking up something a little different. I very well might scrub this thing clean. I like starting fresh.

So think of this as (kind of) the last episode of "THE JDO SHOW", and I look forward to seeing you in the future.

We go over In the Dark Places of Wisdom, about Parmenides, mystery traditions, Apollo worship, and how mysticism in the West got erased by Plato.

The audio is a little off at the beginning, but I put a compressor on it, and it should sound pretty okay.

Enjoy!

We discuss Thomas Mann's 1912 novel Death in Venice, which follows a famous German author on his vacation, where he becomes obsessed with a young boy and develops cholera. I'm really boiling it down, here. The book has many wonderful passages about art and writing, which Scott and I discuss at length, in addition to the novel's frightening similarity to our own time of quarantine.