Alec MacGillis worked for six newspapers, including The Baltimore Sun and The Washington Post, before transitioning to magazines in 2011, at The New Republic before eventually joining ProPublica in 2015. His work has appeared in The New Yorker, The Atlantic and The New York Times Magazine, among others. He won the 2016 Robin Toner Prize for Excellence in Political reporting, the 2017 Polk Award for National Reporting and the 2017 Elijah Parish Lovejoy Award. He is the author of “The Cynic: The Political Education of Mitch McConnell” and “Fulfillment: America in the Shadow of Amazon.”

Alec joins me for a conversation about his recent ProPublica essay on the government’s assault on data: “Trump’s War on Measurement Means Losing Data on Drug Use, Maternal Mortality, Climate Change and More”

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