Alexis Coe is a presidential historian and a fellow at New America, where she is thinking about the presidency in anticipation of America's 250th. She is the award-winning, New York Times bestselling author of You Never Forget Your First: A Biography of George of Washington and Alice+Freda Forever: A Murder in Memphis. She frequently appears on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, History, BBC, and PBS, and has been featured in and published by most major publications, including the New Yorker, the New York Times, and the Washington Post. She is a frequent guest on NPR and hosted the podcasts No Man's Land and Presidents Are People Too!

Join us for this compelling chat about the calls for Joe Biden to quit in the wake of the presidential debate; the ongoing existential threat to democracy of another Trump presidency; the media's role in normalizing Trump and his lies; the Supreme Court's immunity ruling; and the upcoming Trump sentencing in the NY election-interference/hush-money case (now September) and the need for accountability.

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Produced by Andy Ostroy, Matty Rosenberg, and Jennifer Hammoud