In this conversation, the hosts discuss various topics including the legacy of Alistair Darling, education standards in Scotland, and an emergency cabinet meeting to address a budget black hole. The hosts reflect on Alistair Darling's political achievements and the consensus of sympathy and affection for him. They express concern over the decline in education standards in Scotland and the need for a serious plan of action. The emergency cabinet meeting is seen as a significant event, with speculation about the issues to be discussed and the potential impact on the SNP's political fortunes. The conversation discusses the upcoming budget year and the challenges faced by the current Scottish government. It highlights the lack of experience in losing for many government officials and the difficulties they now face. The conversation also explores the issue of trying to please everyone and the impact it has on budget decisions. Additionally, it touches on the lack of a clear government identity and how it may be affecting budget discussions.

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