A special surprise podcast today, it's our interview with Aven Helford and Diandre Fuentes, the designers who worked on the new line of Simpsons-style shoes just released by Vans (which, full disclosure, Vans sent us a couple of pairs)! They tell us how the shoes were designed, notes they got from Matt Groening, and ideas they wish made the cut! And if you enjoy this, be sure to check out our previous interviews all on Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons!!!