Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we are rereleasing our episode covering "White Lotus" Season 1. Who doesn't love this show?! In this episode, we dig into the toxic interpersonal dynamics depicted in all of the relationships amongst the main characters. We spend a lot of time analyzing Tanya's manipulation of Belinda and discuss which behaviors are consistent with borderline personality disorder (BPD). We also explore what keeps Rachel and Mark connected to Shane and Nicole, respectively, and poke fun at Olivia's "wokeness." We hope you enjoy! PS RIP Armond.
[00:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Hi, I'm Dr. Katrina Fury, a psychiatrist.
[00:12] Portia Pendleton: And I'm Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker.
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[00:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: And your DSM Five, and enjoy. Hi, welcome back. We are so excited you're joining us today to talk about the hit HBO show White Lotus Season One, as part of our Jennifer Coolidge July Celebration. We hope everyone had a really wonderful July 4 weekend, and we hope you ate all the hot dogs you could get your hands on. Yeah, I did. Porsche. I want to start a little differently than usual because something just really interesting happened to me during my July 4 celebration. Okay. I went with my family to Legoland, which is a really wonderful place for little kids. And on July 4, they had this whole celebration. They had really cool fireworks with 3D glasses, where when the fireworks exploded, they looked like Legos. I thought that was really cool, and I was really trying to figure out the science because not every light was connected to a Lego. So it had something to do with the frequency and the electrons, and I just get really nerdy about these things. But then they also had a fire dancer, right? Like, would you expect that at a child theme park? No. And so we Legoland.
[01:58] Portia Pendleton: Maybe like Disney World.
[01:59] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, they had a fire dancer. They were really pulling out all the stops. They also had the Brick Street Boys, because everything is like brick themed with the Lego brick, everything's brick tastic. And, you know, I love the Max Tree Boys, so that was titillating. But this fire dancer, we stumbled across her as we were leaving, and obviously we had to stop and watch her and just imagine she is like five foot zero at the most. Like, on a good day. She's itty bitty, teeny tiny, wearing a full on white unitard, like full on bodysuit with red and white horizontal stripes, so she looks like a firecracker. And then she had this beautiful bleach blonde hair, but with these long, long bangs and these bright red lips.
[02:49] Portia Pendleton: Oh, no.
[02:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I kept worrying, like, is her hair going to catch on fire? Right? I was just like, I loved her look, her hair is wonderful.
[02:56] Portia Pendleton: Or it is.
[02:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't know. I would think your hair would catch on fire. But then I think also, like, the fire they use has got to be not real fire because then she starts, like, eating it. So she's also maybe a fire eater.
[03:08] Portia Pendleton: Okay.
[03:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: So I just thought it was really fascinating because she's, like, in this awesome outfit, a little sensual for Legoland, the theme park and doing these moves that are not, like, seductive per se, but sensual with fire. It was just really interesting to see all these children watching this. And what I loved is the music she picked first, obviously. Miley Cyrus partying in the USA. Getting her fire going. Sometimes the flames would go out because it was a little windy and she had, like, all sorts of different fire sticks. And then do you know this song that's like the grand finale song. It was like, Partying USA. Yeah. She's, like, dancing around with her little fire sticks, and then she transitions to the fans. It's like a fire fan. And she lights each one slowly and kind of seductively to that song that's like, light them up, light them up, light them up. And it was just like, wonderful. I don't know, it was just really interesting.
[04:08] Portia Pendleton: That's making me think of the yes.
[04:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: The hula dancing in white Lotus. I know. And I was just like it didn't feel like cultural appropriation, I guess, in this case. Although in White Lotus it kind of does, right? So I don't know. It was just really interesting having a fire dancer at a child's theme park. Kind of very sensual, really. Like maybe pushing the line, but not quite. And then I just kept worrying her hair was going to catch on fire. My children would see this awful, traumatic thing. And then she ended by eating the fire. And then my son was like, does she **** fire? And I was like, great question, great question, great question. Right? And then I was like, does her esophagus get burned? What are the ins and outs of being a fire dancer? What are the hazards of the trade?
[05:00] Portia Pendleton: There's got to be I mean, there's a risk of being burned, right?
[05:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Is it like, just real fire or is it some sort of special fire for fire dancers that's safe to consume?
[05:12] Portia Pendleton: I have no idea.
[05:13] Dr. Katrina Furey: No idea. So if anyone knows, DM us and let us know.
[05:16] Portia Pendleton: Fire.
[05:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: Speaking of things that are hot, white Lotus, super hot show.
[05:23] Portia Pendleton: Jennifer coolidge.
[05:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: Super hot. Like, at all stages of life, she is the queen. So, yeah. Where do you want to start?
[05:31] Portia Pendleton: I think we have to start with Tanya. I mean, all weekend, it's just so relevant. I kept wanting to do the on.
[05:39] Dr. Katrina Furey: A hot dog real bad. Yeah. Which I think is from legally blood. Yes. But we'll cover that next time. Gosh. Jennifer coolidge.
[05:52] Portia Pendleton: So we see her making her way to the White Lotus resort by herself, and then we learn that she has her mother's ashes in tow. Seems like it was a recent death from how she's acting appropriately during grief. It's coming in and out. Sometimes she's fine, other times she's really upset and her idea is to kind of leave some of the ashes in the water off the coast of Hawaii.
[06:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Which sounds beautiful. And I feel like people do that. People do that. But we see her sort of disembark that little tiny boat that's coming to the white Lotus with all the employees just waving and smiling. I loved how this series ended with them doing that again, except now we know more of the backstory and that made me really sad to see they're all there fake smiles, and she's just kind of a mess from the jump.
[06:46] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. We see her pretty quickly at the spa right down there. And she really wants an appointment.
[06:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: They don't have any. She's kind of freaking out, kind of pushy. And then Belinda, the lovely spa manager, or maybe just employee, makes room for her. Right. So right away we see some boundary pushing and crossing with Tanya McQuad and Belinda, which we just see continue.
[07:14] Portia Pendleton: So it kind of starts their relationship. Right. I mean, again, I'm using relationship with air quotes right now because relationships are really two ways.
[07:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: Exactly. But I think, as we see with Tanya, this is a one way relationship. And I think that's a theme we see carried through for a lot of these different characters.
[07:32] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. So Belinda provides a service to Tanya that Tanya believes is like, life changing. And she's healed now immediately. And she wants to spend as much time as possible with Belinda, who is doing her job and becomes pretty pushy and almost so manipulative. It doesn't get sooner right off the bat with the money right. And her opening a spot together that comes a little later, like midway through the season. But you can just see Tanya's needs very needy, trying to kind of do whatever she wants, crossing inappropriate employee guest boundaries. You can see Belinda feels uncomfortable but.
[08:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: Goes along with it.
[08:15] Portia Pendleton: A really high end place where I'm like, I feel like this probably in some ways is a norm. Like, you go above and beyond for a guest.
[08:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: There's probably a lot of entitlement, which I think we see maybe especially with Shane kind of with all of them, though, there's a huge sense of entitlement. And we see Belinda sort of bend over backwards to make room for Tanya right at the start. And then Tanya idealizes her right away. Belinda is the be all and end all. The greatest thing that ever happened to her. She wants to shout it from the rooftops. And how did you feel, Portia, watching that? Did you start to get icky feelings or nervous feelings?
[08:55] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, I mean, I was very uncomfortable with her immediately making room for her at the spa.
[09:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: Me, too.
[09:02] Portia Pendleton: Again, I mean, the show I'm like, okay, this is clearly intentional. And I think it was hard, just as a side note, to separate Tanya from Jennifer Coolidge, because I love Jennifer Coolidge so much.
[09:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't like that for real.
[09:16] Portia Pendleton: Tanya, you do you but, yeah, Tanya definitely made me feel like icky.
[09:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: Do you think that's because we're in mental health and so we're picking up on the splitting and the idealization and we know the devaluation will come, do you think the average person without that point of view would necessarily pick that up right away?
[09:35] Portia Pendleton: Not in the same way. They might be turned off by her. Just from, like, entitlement.
[09:40] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. And, like, the pushiness right.
[09:42] Portia Pendleton: Versus, like, maybe the why or, like, you know, it being idealization and then waiting, like you said, for their to come devaluation, which sucks. And and Belinda was very, like, devastated at the end.
[09:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: So I think, you know, they talk.
[09:56] Portia Pendleton: About which we'll get into more, but borderline personality disorder. Tanya feels a little borderline to me.
[10:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right as I was watching it, I got really nervous for Belinda because I just already was getting that borderline personality disorder flavor from Tanya. And that quick idealization is like a telltale sign. Even if you don't meet full criteria for a Bpd, which is the acronym for borderline personality disorder, often that quick idealization, I think we learned pretty early in our training, like, when you have a new patient who's just like, oh, my gosh, no psychiatrist has ever helped me in the way you're helping me. You're the better, amazing. Can I pay you more? Can I write you a good review? Blah, blah, blah. You learn to think, oh, there's something up here. Right.
[10:43] Portia Pendleton: And it's hard because sometimes I think people's traits are more what do I want to say? Like, hidden, where it's like you might always see the positive side. You might be always idealized by someone for years yes. And have no idea. And all of a sudden, there's like, a switch flip, as, again, happens throughout the six episodes that we see with Belinda and Tanya. But sometimes we have no idea, and other times it's so big, it's like fast friends and people can be fast friends, but sometimes fast friends is really.
[11:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Just like some love bomb a little. Yeah, exactly.
[11:19] Portia Pendleton: Personality disorder.
[11:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: And you're so right. It really depends on what side of the split you're on. So, again, people with Bpd traits or borderline personality disorder, much like we see here with Tanya, really see things in a black or white way, and they feel things that way. That's sort of their thoughts. We've talked about that in prior episodes, so you're either all good or all bad. It's hard for them to sort of see you as a mix of both, and that reflects their inability to see themselves as a mix of both. So if you're on the good side of the split, like you said for years, you can be like that, and then something might happen, like a late fee or a perceived insensitivity to something they're saying. Or it could be something big, it could be something small. Then you're very quickly devalued and on the bad side of the split. And that sucks. That feels real bad. Sometimes you're on the bad side of the split right away and you know it. And that's why it's very helpful to treat patients with these traits as a team. So then all team members can kind of support each other and also see sort of the clinical pathology and a fuller view. But we see that right away with Tanya idealizing Belinda. And I was just waiting for her to meet a man and drop Belinda as quick as possible. And unfortunately, we see that happen.
[12:36] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. And I think, too, I was curious.
[12:39] Dr. Katrina Furey: Of who?
[12:40] Portia Pendleton: Jennifer Kuf. Tanya. Tanya.
[12:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: Tanya.
[12:43] Portia Pendleton: Tanya would also interact with, like, of the other guests.
[12:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah.
[12:48] Portia Pendleton: And then, you know, that's a great point. Her her lover Greg kind of came out of nowhere. You know, he wasn't like, one of the main cast members. So I think that was just, like, interesting.
[12:57] Dr. Katrina Furey: But her and Wise writing right. That it wasn't like someone she met on the ship or it wasn't anyone she'd even formed a minimal connection with. It was like, accidental by chance. Really quick, hot and heavy. That's how it goes.
[13:10] Portia Pendleton: Very intense. So intense emotions are, again, pretty common with a lot of personality disorders, but specifically with Bpd. And also just thinking about what we learn from Tanya's past, she alludes to her mother having Bpd. Yes, there are some genetic markers of Bpd, but also it's just really hard. Again, with attachment. Yes, there's a lot of attachment trauma in patients who have borderline personality disorder.
[13:35] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. And so right. So if Tanya, when they're on the little boat, she's supposed to spread the ashes and they're with Shane and Rachel. I love that so much. And she's, like, kind of given a eulogy of sorts and talking about her deceased mom, I was like, all of this tracks again, a plus. Writing like this track, this sort of upbringing would potentially lead to someone displaying behaviors and traits that Tanya is. So her mom, who was obsessed with men, and it sounds like, would often prioritize her romantic relationships over her relationship with Tanya. And then we see that play out when she meets Greg and she even says, like, you said that her mom has Bpd. And you do sort of learn how to behave as an adult from your early attachment figures and what's modeled for you. So why wouldn't she display some of these traits? I would imagine that her mom would have been a bigger personality disorder, and Tanya still has those traits, and we see them, but maybe I'm imagining her mom would have been even more big.
[14:41] Portia Pendleton: I feel like, also maybe more cruel. Yeah. Tanya, I think it's almost like, has the lacking self awareness, and it's really, like, self centered. It's like only her needs are the most important. I also don't think that that's intentional. I think she's just, like, moving through.
[14:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: Life, like, trying not malicious. Right? Yeah, I totally agree. It doesn't feel like logan. Roy.
[15:01] Portia Pendleton: Right.
[15:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I wonder if her mom did or if her mom was like the mom from succession. That's a great point, Portia. And again, what you just brought up I thought was really interesting. Like, which of the other guests did she interact with? Now that I'm thinking about it, I feel like it was the ones who were younger than her. It wasn't like the Moss Bach or family parents.
[15:18] Portia Pendleton: Right.
[15:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: It wasn't really Armand, except to get Belinda. Belinda. It was like Belinda was the only adult she interacted with to get her needs met. There was also a racial difference, which I thought was important and interesting, and.
[15:32] Portia Pendleton: A socioeconomic difference huge.
[15:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: And again, I feel like Tanya ends up connecting herself to people who use her while she's using them. So her relationships are very transactional. Right. And I just think that makes a lot of sense. Even if she's not maliciously using people unconsciously, she is, but then she's also picking people who are like belinda was kind of doing that with her, too, right. Like, she was like, oh, maybe I could get my own spot and finally living out that dream. Yeah, it was really interesting.
[16:07] Portia Pendleton: And then Tanya interacts with Olivia and Paula, just, like, commenting on their appearance and their skin.
[16:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right.
[16:14] Portia Pendleton: So it's so porcelain. She's, like, trying to feel their faces, and they're like this ladies.
[16:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. And they're, like, young and beautiful and yeah. Again, just interesting people to try to attach to. It makes me wonder what psychological age Tanya is. Yes. We often think of chronological age as being different from your psychological age. And sometimes I feel like I hear this in society and in the media of child stars, you kind of get stuck at the age you became famous, and I think that might be related to the trauma of fame. And I feel like we do see that. Right? Do you see that? That people seem sort of psychologically stuck at the age of trauma occurred or something like that?
[16:56] Portia Pendleton: No, definitely. And I think, too, in Tanya's character, it feels way more, I don't know, intense where she's stuck, like, in childhood versus maybe some other patients I can think off the top of my head that I've interacted who have Bpd, where she just even, like her temper tantrums.
[17:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right.
[17:16] Portia Pendleton: It's like she's so good at playing being a child when she's seeking reassurance so frequently, she's, like, following Greg around, literally hiding. I was like, I mean, it's comical because of the show, but it's like she is acting like a child.
[17:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. Like a five year old, maybe. Yeah, 100%. And even with Greg, like, when she was finally like, I'm going to peel.
[17:36] Portia Pendleton: Back all the layers of the onion.
[17:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: And really let him see it. And she did. She let it all out. And I felt like that was a great depiction of the sort of core fear of patients with Bpd, of abandonment and loss and attachment. This sort of I hate you, but don't leave me. Like, I'm going to leave you first because it would hurt too much if you left me, but don't leave me.
[17:58] Portia Pendleton: Or I'm going to give you an excuse to leave.
[18:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes.
[18:00] Portia Pendleton: By acting. Right? I'm acting in this huge way. I'm pushing you away intentionally. So then I have a reason. Okay. I know why.
[18:06] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Or sort of like a test. Right. And Greg stayed. And I think she interprets that as like true love. I think he just wanted to have sex.
[18:16] Portia Pendleton: I think he just wanted to have sex. I'm not sure if he saw it going anywhere further than that night. But then I'm thinking and I have not watched season two, so I'm saying this kind of blind, but I also think that based on what he had done for a living, which is not being an activist for Black Lives Matter.
[18:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I loved that. Hilarious.
[18:36] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, it was so funny.
[18:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: Belinda. He's with the BLM. And then Belinda's like, okay.
[18:42] Portia Pendleton: Because in her face while he's telling her that, she's just like, oh, how'd.
[18:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: She get into that? I love that whole dinner conversation. We're just like, how'd she get into activism? And he's like, what? Yeah.
[18:53] Portia Pendleton: So he's in, like, wildlife, it seems, management, fisheries, something like that. In Colorado, in the west. Because then she's like, oh, well, when I'm in Aspen, let's meet up. And I think then for him, he's seeing, in my opinion, this opportunity to be with someone who seems a little damaged to him. He now then maybe can take advantage.
[19:13] Dr. Katrina Furey: Of for her money. Right. In hearing that, he was like, this got money. There's something up here. I was really worried about Greg and all his coughing fits. Yeah. And I'm like, do you have COPD? Do you have a lung tumor? Why are you coughing? Do you have asthma? What is going on?
[19:29] Portia Pendleton: I forgot about that.
[19:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: I kept being really nervous he was going to drop down, like, while they were having sex or soon after or.
[19:35] Portia Pendleton: Right after they were connecting. Right. And then another person leaving her in the ultimate way.
[19:40] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. I was really worried about that happening. So I wonder if the writers were always, like, teasing us with that or if that might come later. I don't really know. But again, she quickly attaches herself to Greg, who doesn't feel like a secure, healthy attachment figure. And again, it's like, I can't really put my finger on why I'm just getting a vibe. He's not it.
[20:04] Portia Pendleton: He doesn't seem safe for her.
[20:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. But she is immediately attracted to him, like a magnet. And I think for me, watching this whole series that was like the thing that kept crossing my mind is like, why are these characters attracted to who they're attracted to when it's so clear that these are kind of like unhealthy relationship dynamics, but they don't leave. And I think we really see that with Shane and Rachel.
[20:26] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. So yeah, I mean, with Rachel and Shane Patton, I feel like I have a hot take with that. I don't like Rachel and I prefer Shane.
[20:40] Dr. Katrina Furey: What?
[20:40] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, I know.
[20:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, your team Shane? Yeah. I don't think anyone's team Shane.
[20:46] Portia Pendleton: I know, and I don't know what that says about me, but that's okay. So I just think that Rachel needs to get her stuff together and it bothers me. And maybe this is something I can talk about in supervision or therapy, why it bothers me so much, but I'm just like, come on, girl. Shane is not hiding himself that well.
[21:06] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's true.
[21:07] Portia Pendleton: This sociopathic, malignant narcissist, he's a **** up, rich, spoiled brat boy who married her because she's beautiful and has a lot of money. And it's just like now all of a sudden she's like seeing it and I'm just like really?
[21:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. I don't think it was hidden before, although I guess sometimes I have heard of some relationships and again, I don't think this is uncommon, where you think you're marrying one person and then it's like the mask falls off. So maybe that happened, but Shane doesn't seem smart right, for that to have been the case.
[21:38] Portia Pendleton: And he seems like he has zero.
[21:39] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like a frat boy, like he's wearing his, what, like Cornell hat or something, which I'm sure he got in by having a legacy generational tie. Yeah, I don't think he doesn't strike me as the kind of narcissist to be smart enough to hide that very well. It's really out there again, he's like living his authentic self. I guess. So maybe it sounds like maybe that's why you're annoyed with her.
[22:04] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, I don't know. And then you told me about his mom.
[22:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: I love Molly Shannon so much and everything. And then when she showed up, right, like he'd called her over and over and over, being so annoyed. Get the pineapple sweet.
[22:20] Portia Pendleton: Even though they got like this other.
[22:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: Beautiful sweet, and just like a child having a temper tantrum, going to mommy, then she shows up. Can you imagine if your mother in law showed up on your honeymoon?
[22:32] Portia Pendleton: I can't think of how that would ever be okay.
[22:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: You know what I mean?
[22:37] Portia Pendleton: And he's just like, mom, her face is just like, this is not happening.
[22:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right?
[22:42] Portia Pendleton: Is this real? Is this a mirage from being in Hawai or in the sun?
[22:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: All the pina coladas? Yeah. And then it's just like you get the sense that Shane and his mom Kitty are enmeshed and then you really see just how enmeshed they are. Yes. And she's like, well, I'm going to this other place with my best friend from all time, but I thought I'd stop here first. I hope that's okay. And you can see Rachel's just like, I have to say it's okay, but it's really not.
[23:06] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, and her face is so obvious, too, which maybe she is, but again, you're not even trying to hide your disdain, which I get. Again, that's like super appropriate, but within their context. Again, that's why I'm like, come on, how did you not see this?
[23:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know, but maybe it's like, now she's really seeing it. Maybe there was some shred of suppression or denial that was keeping her in the relationship with Shane. Again, with this series, I'm so curious about why do they stay connected to these people? And it's like, I think Shane was connected to her for her beauty. That's her power. And then she, I think, is connected to him because of his money and the privilege and the access. And she says that bopping around New York City was really fun, and now she's realizing there's like a price to pay for that privilege. It's like golden handcuffs and Kitty's part of the deal. And I also thought that the actresses portrayed that mother in law, daughter in law competition so well, more so from Kitty's perspective, you could tell that the fact that she was beautiful really bothered her. Right. That now she's not the number one woman in his life.
[24:13] Portia Pendleton: I want to know if there's a dad.
[24:17] Dr. Katrina Furey: Divorced, if he's alive, or if.
[24:20] Portia Pendleton: She had always the money.
[24:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: So she said she had family money. I remember she was telling Rachel that that's why, like, if she and her husband ever split up, she'd be okay because she did have family money to fall back on. Sort of like bragging, because she knows Rachel doesn't. But then it sounds like whoever the dad is had more money. Yeah, I don't know. Actually, that's really interesting that there was no mention of him at all, especially.
[24:41] Portia Pendleton: With just like mother son dynamic. Then. Is that why they're so enmeshed? Would they have been less if there was like a third family member? He seems again, I don't think there's other kids. He seems like an only child, or.
[24:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: At least they don't talk about him if there are.
[24:55] Portia Pendleton: I mean, that too can just happen to a parent child. It's a different type of relationship than if you have two parents or siblings.
[25:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: Or things like that. Yeah, that's actually a really interesting point. But they were so funny, though, when Kitty and Shane and Rachel are all at that dinner and Rachel is already having an identity cris, and now here's her mother in law, who's like I think she's like, oh, God, this is what I'm going to be, or what Shane wants me to be. And I don't know if that's who I want to be. And they're all like, why don't you want to be this? This is great. And they're doing like that money, money dance while the Hula people are hooling in the background. It was so sickening. And you could see on rachel's face. She's like, oh, my God, you guys are doing this in public. But that's who they are, right? And they're also not hiding it like any shred, right? Any shred.
[25:42] Portia Pendleton: So that juxtaposition. Juxtaposition. After we talk to and meet Kai and knowing that the land was taken and that a lot of them work there and that his family is mad because he works there, because some people don't and protest so and so forth, we have that whole storyline kind of going off to the side. And then the patent family are just like, money, money. Watching the people who live there, that it's a part of their culture and meaningful, this performance that they're just like singing to. Money.
[26:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? Yeah. Again. Beautiful Juxtaposition. Beautiful writing. Definitely makes you feel icky.
[26:16] Portia Pendleton: But yeah, I mean, Shane is not lovable, right? Like, he flirts with underage girls in front of Rachel, literally on their honeymoon. Like, that's gross.
[26:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's gross. And such a power move. I can't remember now if she was already sort of expressing some hesitations or some unhappiness on the honeymoon, if he was sort of like showing her like, whatever, I'll be fine, kind of thing, or if he didn't know, if he really couldn't comprehend why she'd be hurt by that.
[26:42] Portia Pendleton: Right. It was weird. And then when she's telling him, I mean, again, I don't know if anyone else felt this way or if I was the only one in the world watching, but I felt sorry for him. He had no idea from this point because he has zero self awareness. He had not a clue, which is, again, like, shocking because it's so obvious, right.
[27:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: He wasn't picking up any and so.
[27:05] Portia Pendleton: When she's telling him, basically, I don't like you, and I just I think.
[27:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: I made a mistake. Yeah, like, he's sad because, like, again.
[27:11] Portia Pendleton: Like, duh, you are going to be sad. And he's just like, Why? What do you mean? And it's funny. I mean, it's comedy not but his just whole and then he's being gaslit by Armand because he's right. Like, they did book that room. Armand is kind of messing with him.
[27:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's true.
[27:27] Portia Pendleton: He gets a free boat ride. It was Jennifer Tanya. It was Tanya paid for it. That's why he said it was free. It was not free.
[27:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right.
[27:34] Portia Pendleton: And then he knew that she was having this, like, a moment.
[27:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Well, he did that on purpose to get back. Exactly. Driving him nuts.
[27:40] Portia Pendleton: Exactly.
[27:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: But again, you're right. Like, Shane was correct. They didn't get the correct room. They did pay for it. They should at least get, like, the refund. But the fact that Shane is, like, so checking over and over, it's so annoying to me. And entitled and like, dude, just enjoy your honeymoon.
[27:57] Portia Pendleton: But he can't.
[27:57] Dr. Katrina Furey: He can't if he doesn't get what he feels like he deserves. I mean, it's like the perfect depiction of entitlement. And then that just dynamic between. Armand and Shane just keeps continuing. And they keep shane, I feel like, just keeps up in the ante. Up in the ante, up in the ant. Like, he just won't let it go. And he's just really getting under Armand's skin. And you imagine Armand's probably worked there for a long time. He's what, five or six years sober until he falls off the wagon because he finds the bag with all the.
[28:28] Portia Pendleton: Drugs in it after Shane.
[28:31] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's just Shane pushing and pushing and pushing it.
[28:33] Portia Pendleton: But Shane is a trigger.
[28:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. And I would imagine he has dealt with Shane day in and day out, like for years. And he just can't take it anymore. The last Shane, the last straw. And it literally is the last Shane. Because unfortunately, Armod dies at the beginning.
[28:49] Portia Pendleton: Do you see that coming?
[28:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: I mean, obviously we knew someone died because it opens with I thought it.
[28:55] Portia Pendleton: Was Rachel because of Shane in the airport was like, no, I'm alone. I was like, It's Rachel.
[29:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I was worried she maybe committed suicide or something. I didn't see it coming until the final scene where he's like pooping in.
[29:08] Portia Pendleton: Suitcase after the dinner service.
[29:11] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right?
[29:11] Portia Pendleton: He's like, he's so manic from drugs and doing cocaine all night.
[29:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: And that's my favorite line of the whole show when he comes back. And he's like, that was the best ******* dinner seating of all time.
[29:22] Portia Pendleton: They're like, yeah, the orchestra was playing while he's managing it.
[29:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, it was just you were really feeling it. Like, you're really in Armand's mind. But again, for Shane to get him fired, right? To just really go that far is why I don't like it.
[29:39] Portia Pendleton: Like, you're ruining people's livelihoods.
[29:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: Their livelihoods. Like, okay, they made a mistake. Like, let it go. My God. He can't. But I mean, to just keep really and he doesn't care that someone's going to get fired. He doesn't care that Rachel's like a shell of a human. Maybe Rachel hadn't seen it to that degree.
[29:58] Portia Pendleton: I would have to assume.
[30:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: We got to give her the benefit of that, right? Oh, my god. And then when Armand is pooping in.
[30:05] Portia Pendleton: The luggage, I laughed out loud watching that scene.
[30:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was like, oh, my god.
[30:11] Portia Pendleton: My husband hadn't seen it at all. And I was like, come look at this. He's like, this is weird. And I was like, It's Armand.
[30:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: He's pooping in this because he just can't take it anymore.
[30:21] Portia Pendleton: He didn't like wipe. He just pulled his pants up.
[30:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. That's gross. Yeah. I mean, I think he was high, so I don't think he really knew he was doing what's he going to wipe with the shirt. He should have wiped with the shirt. Oh, God.
[30:38] Portia Pendleton: That would have been like the nail in the coffin just smearing your feces all over.
[30:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: And what a primitive form of payback. Which, again, all of these characters and their personality traits are so primitive. And they're all having temper tantrums in their own way, even Armand. But I have so much sympathy for Armand because I feel like they just pushed him to a break, literally. You're going to get fired for this. It just makes me sick.
[31:05] Portia Pendleton: Yeah.
[31:06] Dr. Katrina Furey: Armand is like I loved him.
[31:08] Portia Pendleton: I loved when he was, like, lying about finding the bag, like over and over again. We'll have to keep looking. We haven't seen it.
[31:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: So Armand does lie? Yeah, from the jump. He lies and can't admit wrongdoing. But then I'm like, maybe he's like, coached to do that. Maybe they're not supposed to admit fault because then they could get sued or like, who knows what. I don't know.
[31:29] Portia Pendleton: I don't know.
[31:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: I just feel like that stuff happens.
[31:30] Portia Pendleton: All the time, though. A reservation gets missed and then it's like then if you're at a nice place, they should then take care of you. If you're paying thousands and thousands of dollars, it's like then they should have been like, yeah, you're right. We'll comp a night for the inconvenience. Or yes, of course we'll give you the difference. Give them a difference, that's all.
[31:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I think I think they said they would. It just didn't clear right away. But that doesn't usually clear right away. Right.
[31:54] Portia Pendleton: It's just like when you go to.
[31:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: Any hotel and there's like a security charge, it takes a couple of days to come off. Right. Interestingly, though, like, the Mossbacher family does get comped. Yes.
[32:02] Portia Pendleton: Well, I would hope so.
[32:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's a little more than a room mix up.
[32:07] Portia Pendleton: I guess.
[32:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: It'S.
[32:15] Portia Pendleton: So we have Nicole and what's, her husband Mark, and then Olivia and Quinn, and then Paula is the friend. So what do you think of initially Olivia and Paula?
[32:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, my God. I just loved how woke they were, especially compared to their parents. It was just so humorous. I just felt like it was such a perfect depiction of the current generation versus the former generation and the tensions there. Totally accurate, given the political, social, cultural climate we're in. And I just loved love in terms of hated, but found humorous. Nicole's huge sympathy for the white man. Yeah, right. And I'm just like, oh, God.
[33:00] Portia Pendleton: And and I love it so interesting because she's this powerful, like, business CEO and it seems like Mark is like, you know, almost like a stay at home dad. So it's interesting that within that nontypical.
[33:11] Dr. Katrina Furey: Role, she is so sympathetic, but she has a white male son and I don't know, I just feel like she is just such a perfect character. Right. Like you would think as a female CEO and I'm assuming a male dominated industry, because we all are, you'd think she would be like this feminist icon.
[33:31] Portia Pendleton: Right.
[33:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: And again, I feel like this is maybe what Rachel's article was saying. Like, well, she's not really she kind of rolled the wave of me too to get to where she was.
[33:41] Portia Pendleton: Maybe that was what it was about.
[33:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe that's true, but she's not really a feminist icon, and I find that interesting. Like, is she insecure in her own power? I don't know. I don't know what to make of it. But I loved when they were at dinner and Olivia was like, mom, good news. I looked and I checked. All the white men are doing just fine. That was funny.
[34:01] Portia Pendleton: I didn't really like Olivia and Paula. Just like, they were mean girls. I mean, besides their woke nature. And Olivia's felt really just hark toward her parents.
[34:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. And I think sorry to interrupt you, but I did think the mom and dad were pointing out something accurate. Like, you are so mad at us, but our privilege gives you life, and you're just, like, so unappreciative.
[34:22] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, no. And I think, too, olivia and Paula's relationship felt, like, gross to me right off the get go. And just, like, they weren't really telling each other things. Olivia seemed really suspicious of Paula, and then Paula was really also suspicious of Olivia with knowing about Kai. Like, lying, hiding. No, I didn't go out. And Olivia literally she didn't say, though, I followed you. She kept a lot of that secret. I also was very upset with how they treated Quinn.
[34:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes.
[34:50] Portia Pendleton: Like, really, really mean.
[34:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like, he was a dog here. Yeah, like, really mean.
[34:53] Portia Pendleton: Sleep in the closet, constant putting him down. He felt a little like he could have been on the spectrum. I could have a little bit of some traits. In other ways, he seemed, like, pretty typical. But some things that Olivia had pointed.
[35:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: Out, I was like.
[35:08] Portia Pendleton: And then that made me even more mad that she was treating him like that.
[35:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, I could see that. Maybe what we used to call asperger's or something. I think with Olivia and Paula, at first, I thought they were good friends. Like, oh, they met in college. And I did think it was interesting that Paula was a woman of color on this trip and just really curious what's her take on all of this? I don't know how they got all those drugs there. Did they buy them there? Did they smuggle them somehow?
[35:40] Portia Pendleton: Some were not prescribed. Like, a lot of them were prescription.
[35:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: Based, but not like the ketamine was the pipe. I loved, though, when someone pulled out, like, how they just kept being like, oh, I forgot. I have this drug. Oh, wait, I have this drug. Oh, my God, I forgot to have my pipe.
[35:55] Portia Pendleton: And you can't fly commercially with that. And they did.
[35:57] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe they didn't, though.
[35:58] Portia Pendleton: That's a good point. They got, like, on a commercial flight leaving. So, I mean, I'm making an assumption that maybe they did. Maybe they took a PJ down, but we're flying commercial on the way back.
[36:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: But try and save some money.
[36:10] Portia Pendleton: I think Paula, initially you like her because she is kind of calling people out but then I think she really kind of chooses her privilege with Kai. She does not call him when they're going back to the room, and that's, like, a big question of why. I was listening to the HBO podcast covering white Lotus, and they talked about that a lot. Like, she had her phone with her.
[36:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: And she had Kai's number, and she.
[36:34] Portia Pendleton: Did not contact him. She just looked scared. And then she put her the necklace that he gave her, she threw into the water, and it was just like, what are you doing?
[36:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. Oh, I didn't make that connection about, like, she could have called him to warn him or say, like, get out.
[36:48] Portia Pendleton: That was all her idea.
[36:50] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. And he really didn't want to do it, but then pushed it. And again, I think it's because, again, I feel like Olivia and Paula is another transactional relationship. I feel like Olivia uses Paula to be like, see, look, I'm woke. I have friends of color, blah, blah, blah, but not really. Right? And then we learned that I think maybe Paula's with Olivia to go on the trip. Maybe she probably went for free. I don't really know what else they're attracted to each other with in terms of their friendship, because then we learned that Olivia stole Paula's boyfriend. Right. So it's like, why do you see friends with her? Right? Like, why? And then I think that's why Paula didn't tell her about Kai, because she was worried it happened again, rightfully so. And we see that it kind of does start to happen again. And then I think Paula gets so ****** that she concocts this whole plan.
[37:41] Portia Pendleton: Which, again, is not okay. I mean, not okay. Like, it's huge risk.
[37:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: And Kai even says he's like, the mothbacher family didn't take our land like white people did, but they didn't. So this is just, like, stealing and stuff. But then she does kind of get in his head. And is that manipulative or, like, a vulnerable person?
[38:00] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, it is manipulative, because Paula is then leaving, right? And he stayed. She's like, no, I'm going back.
[38:06] Dr. Katrina Furey: I have college to get to. I have a life to get to. This is just like, a little fling. But then, yeah, she's using Kai to get back at this family who, again, has taken her on this trip. They're very problematic in their own ways. Like, not to give them a pass, but it hurts everyone. I do think we see remorse. Like, she seems genuinely remorseful and sad.
[38:26] Portia Pendleton: But then I don't know if this I'm sure everything is intentional, always, because they're good writers, but on the last boat trip that they all take, paula is, like, sea sick, and she's just, like, vomiting. And Olivia's just looking at her because she knows what happened. She knows that she did that, and she's just like, oh, yeah, maybe she should have a soda. They are not at that point, interacting really at all. Olivia is realigning with her family, which again in the show seems good, right?
[38:56] Dr. Katrina Furey: That she's finally hugging her mom and reconnecting and things like that. She's maybe seeing her parents as some good and some bad. Not all good or all bad. I did think it was hilarious when Nicole was like coaching Olivia on how to hold her friend's hair back while she's vomiting. As if Olivia doesn't know how to be there for a friend. She's like, pull that piece up, pull that piece up. Paula, I'm going to get you a ginger rail, honey. And I loved how every time Paula needs Tylenol because she's allergic to ibuprofen, paula has this allergy. Paula is just paula's, like she needs.
[39:31] Portia Pendleton: Her out of van.
[39:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. She's just so high maintenance, this Paula friend. It's just so ridiculous in an over the top way.
[39:37] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, I mean, they're such a funny family. And we see Quinn stay in Hawai.
[39:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was like really happy for him. I don't know. How did you feel about that? We ran back.
[39:45] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, like the show wise, I feel like it's great for him. It makes me think of this interesting little fun fact. So Hawai actually does have a problem with young people, like young runaway land going there and then becoming homeless. Do you know what woofing is?
[40:02] Dr. Katrina Furey: No.
[40:03] Portia Pendleton: It's like work on farm. I think there's another word in there, but a lot of college kids and people do it. So you get free room and board, typically food as well. And you can work at a farm, like for the summer, for like a.
[40:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: Marijuana farm or any farm.
[40:16] Portia Pendleton: Any farm.
[40:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Okay. I said marijuana because I've heard of something like this in Hawai, specifically on a marijuana farm. So I didn't know if it was specific to that or like any farm.
[40:24] Portia Pendleton: So the person that I know went to Maui through a wolfing program was not marijuana farm, it's just like a regular farm. But they asked this person, made sure that they were returning to college. They had all these stipulations because so many people go down there to wolf and then don't leave and then become like homeless. And then there's limited resources. There's limited resources. I thought that was just interesting.
[40:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: That is interesting. I think they go and fetch him. This isn't a home alone situation. I think they have the means and they will go find life there.
[40:55] Portia Pendleton: I know. You go row that boat or canoe.
[40:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: I loved Quinn in the technology, right, where they're like he's like freaking out because they lost all the technology. And then finally he's like, wow, the ocean is really beautiful.
[41:08] Portia Pendleton: He's out there. Yes, he's sleeping. And then that group of men who are doing the paddle, like the rowing around the island really take to him and are really kind, which he seems to not be getting from his family.
[41:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, you can see why he felt wanted and needed and included and that seemed really important to him. But I guess he's only 16, so I can see why his parents wouldn't want him to stay.
[41:33] Portia Pendleton: It makes a lot of sense. And then Mark so we see Mark be, I think, just like inappropriate a lot.
[41:40] Dr. Katrina Furey: Again, talk about boundaries or lactose too.
[41:43] Portia Pendleton: Much with Quinn, with everyone talking about.
[41:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: His swollen testicles, you could just leave it at like, I got a medical.
[41:48] Portia Pendleton: Issue, finds out about his father, who's.
[41:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: A really big reaction to it.
[41:52] Portia Pendleton: He's questioning his life. He seems like in a little bit of a midlife crisis based on all those things he finds out about his dad. And then he also finds out that he does not have cancer. He's just like, cancer scare.
[42:02] Dr. Katrina Furey: There's a lot going on. And then he's like I can see, though, how learning that about his dad makes him feel like, did I really know you? And then he wants his son to really know him, albeit in an inappropriate way. And I felt like that conversation between him and Nicole was really well written and that she was like, you didn't think about how this would affect me now. I was originally hurt by your actions and now you're hurting me again because you're telling her children I didn't want them to know. And now I'm going to have to explain why I stayed. Why did I stay for these $75,000 bracelets? Yeah, it was really interesting. I loved when Mark was just getting drunker and drunker and drunker and seeing all the guests and just being ridiculous and then asking Armand what's that like to have sex with a man. And Armand's like, you want to find out? Yeah.
[42:49] Portia Pendleton: And he was like he went too far. I just also couldn't I couldn't take him, like, beating on his chest.
[42:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: But it was perfect, right? It was just like so just the white man, he's got to beat his chest and feel powerful when his wife is the one carnal with the power in the relationship. But then he gets the power by.
[43:09] Portia Pendleton: Tackling Kai and saving them all.
[43:11] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. And then finally like, oh, now we're happy again.
[43:13] Portia Pendleton: It's just trauma bonds people.
[43:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Trauma bonding. Yeah. So what do you think kept Nicole and Mark together? What do you think attracted them and kept them together? Sort of how we've talked about, like, Tanya and Greg, shane and Rachel. What do you think it was with them?
[43:30] Portia Pendleton: I feel like I want to say that they probably started out pretty even and I'm, again, making this all maybe.
[43:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: They met in college. Yeah.
[43:37] Portia Pendleton: The same kind of power dynamic, I feel like. And this is very stereotypical that he cheated as Nicole probably got more and more and more successful. Successful and maybe, like distant, like working, like gone all the time. Not in my opinion, not a reason to cheat. But I think that's maybe what kind of was the worst part of their relationship. And maybe they chose to stay because of their kids, maybe because it was convenient. Maybe they just chose to kind of have a different kind of partnership moving forward. And then now it seems like after, again, this traumatic event with the stolen goods, they feel more in touch with.
[44:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: Each other, like, more connected and more maybe even well, I guess tackling someone is such a masculine, heroic thing to do. And she was so mad at him, and then he came after her, so he didn't just leave her alone in her sorrows. And then he sort of did, quote, unquote, save her. Right.
[44:35] Portia Pendleton: I don't think Kai was going to hurt her. I think he was just like, please.
[44:39] Dr. Katrina Furey: Stay there so I can get out.
[44:40] Portia Pendleton: Of here situation that then got worse. It's not even like he got caught stealing. It's like then there was like, I'm sure it's all word going to get thrown in there.
[44:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, I know. He probably went to jail for a long time. He lost his job, went to jail, like this whole thing backfired. You know who didn't get in trouble? Paula. Yeah, probably. Maybe, though. I don't know. And Olivia just kind of like, using it to really get under Paula's skin. Like, well, hopefully there's no text messages. Right?
[45:05] Portia Pendleton: But can you guys just stop being friends? Maybe that would be it's a toxic relationship choice.
[45:11] Dr. Katrina Furey: I mean, were any of the relationships we saw healthy? No. Silence. I know.
[45:19] Portia Pendleton: I really don't I don't think so.
[45:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: I think the last thing I wanted to end on is Belinda, who I loved. But what do you think it is about Belinda where she gets used over and over?
[45:33] Portia Pendleton: I think it's got to be like a mix of environmental so her role, right. Like working even specifically in a spa where you're doing different kind of healing things.
[45:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: And specifically a spa at the White Lotus, like a very bougie, high end place with a specific type of clientele, maybe.
[45:51] Portia Pendleton: So then there's the environment piece. And I think also, maybe she's really just on the simple side, like a really good listener. And a lot of people aren't used to that or a lot of people are. Like, she seems really awesome.
[46:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: She seems very maternal, too.
[46:07] Portia Pendleton: Real. And a lot of yeah. So maybe that's unexpected from for some, especially Tanya. Like, Belinda, even though I think was younger, was still more maternal.
[46:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maternal.
[46:19] Portia Pendleton: Same with Rachel. Rachel kind of went to her. Then Belinda, again, was being really appropriate. Gave her a tissue, asked her if.
[46:25] Dr. Katrina Furey: She was all right, but then gave her cell phone number. So it's always like with Belinda, yes, there's some institutional boundaries right, that are loose because you're catering to this clientele. But then why should give her your cell phone number? Is it because you're worried about her? I think she could really do some work in therapy. As to be holding on to, like, yes, you're worried about her because you're a compassionate human and you're not responsible for her.
[46:53] Portia Pendleton: Maybe there's something in her life with feeling overly responsible, and that's not a diagnosis by any means.
[46:59] Dr. Katrina Furey: But that happens a lot with it does.
[47:01] Portia Pendleton: Patients who are so kind and so giving, they often have the worst boundaries.
[47:06] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes.
[47:07] Portia Pendleton: And they get used and they don't take care of themselves.
[47:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: They don't prioritize themselves in big ways and then small ways. So I feel like Belinda could really use some good quality therapy, and I.
[47:20] Portia Pendleton: Think she could be in an amazing place.
[47:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right.
[47:24] Portia Pendleton: I think the others could get therapy and make changes. But Belinda seems like right on the.
[47:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: Cusp where she just I feel like she has the most potential to me absolutely. Than the others.
[47:32] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. We also didn't I'll just briefly mention we saw the substance use. So Olivia and Paula kind of playing around with that. And then we obviously see Armand. And then I would also take a gander that Tanya seems like she's probably on a Benzo, drinking out kind of out of it.
[47:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, really out of it. Kind of dazed and detached on the cusp of slurring words, but not quite there. Yeah. No. She strikes me as someone who's been on, like, Bendy's a long time and now in her time of grief is freaking out, which happens. Like we've said before, we all regress when you're under stress or grieving or things like that. And I thought the show just did such a good job displaying such interesting interpersonal dynamics and such toxic and unhealthy relationships. Also, at this point in time in our culture, it was the perfect time for it to come out. I felt like it touched on really big cultural themes, political themes, societal themes in such a smart way where I would like to rewatch it in like, 20 years and just see what do I think then.
[48:44] Portia Pendleton: I'm super excited for White Lotus season two.
[48:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. What do you think happens? Well, I know that Tanya stayed and.
[48:52] Portia Pendleton: I know that it's all new characters. I did hear that season one has just, like, the theme of money and privilege. And obviously there's privilege in season two, but season two is more like sex.
[49:02] Dr. Katrina Furey: So we'll have to see.
[49:05] Portia Pendleton: Stay tuned. It will be coming up this next month or this current in a couple of weeks.
[49:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: So after this, we're going to release Legally Blonde, another fun, light hearted episode paying homage to Jennifer Coolidge. Is it homage or Maj? I don't know. I'm not that fancy. And then after that, we'll do White Lotus season two.
[49:24] Portia Pendleton: Awesome.
[49:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: So thank you for listening. Please rate review and subscribe and you can find us at Analyze Scripts on Instagram and Analyze Scripts podcast on TikTok. Thanks.
[49:35] Portia Pendleton: Bye.
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