This week, Kate listened to a two-hour football podcast and lives to tell the tale. In this podcast episode about a podcast episode, Kate obsesses over a 30-something woman and her boyfriend existing and being normal, which surprisingly turned out to be the best entertainment of all. She recaps Taylor Swift's unprecedented appearance on New Heights, where we learned about TS12: The Life of a Showgirl, coming October 3rd. She breaks down her personal interview highlights, from SAT vocab words to otters to human exclamation marks and having fun. She was particularly struck by the Sourdough (10-minute version) airtime that was devoted exclusively to bread puns. She also talks through what we know so far about TS12 and gets excited to make space for more Blank Space pop on this album, exclusively produced by Max Martin and Shellback. Enjoy!

Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here!

Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH!

Did you know all of your favorite podcasts, including Be There in Five are on Amazon Music? All you have to say is 'Alexa, play the podcast Be There In Five on Amazon Music.' Or if you're listening on your phone, just download the Amazon Music app, search for "Be There In Five" and click "Follow."

Take advantage of this exclusive offer: For a limited time get 40% off your first box PLUS get a free item in every box for life. Go to Hungryroot.com/bethereinfive and use code bethereinfive.

So today or some quiet Sunday morning when you're feeling inspired, visit Sixpenny.com/BeThereInFive for a stroll through their impeccably designed pieces, and perhaps even order yourself some free swatches.

Go to helixsleep.com/bethereinfive for the Labor Day Sale: Best of Web Offer, which is 27% Off sitewide

Exclusive for listeners of Be There in Five, from August 15, 2025 → September 8, 2025. Make sure you enter our show name after checkout so they know we sent you!

Get 15% off Branch Basics with code BETHEREINFIVE at https://branchbasics.com/BETHEREINFIVE! #branchbasicspod

Calm has an exclusive offer just for listeners of our show– get 40% off a Calm Premium Subscription at calm.com/BETHEREINFIVE for 40% off unlimited access to Calm's entire library. calm.com/BETHEREINFIVE. And tell Calm you heard about them from me!