We're joined by James Price.

The conversation covers various topics including the investigation into Conservative MP Mark Menzies, standards in public life, and the ongoing debate over the Rwanda deportation bill. The hosts and guests discuss the lack of action by the Conservative Party in response to the allegations against Menzies and the need for better crisis management. They also explore the challenges of maintaining standards in public life and the difficulties in rehabilitating politicians who have made mistakes. The conversation concludes with a brief discussion on the ping pong between the government and the House of Lords over the Rwanda deportation bill. In this part of the conversation, the hosts discuss the potential outcome of the ping pong between the House of Commons and the House of Lords regarding the controversial Nationality and Borders Bill. They also talk about Liz Truss's new book and whether she is being unfairly mocked for her reflections as a former prime minister. The hosts then shift the discussion to Kemi Badenoch and her recent interventions on various issues, highlighting her ideological consistency and leadership potential.

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