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Stephen Roach of the Makers and Mystics podcast joins the show to talk about artistry, how to be comfortable with the paradox that Christianity calls people towards, and developing the arts as a language to talk about the higher things. Makers and Mystics is a podcast exploring the intersections of faith, culture, and art. It is tied to the wonderful The Breath and the Clay creative arts gathering in Winston Salem, SC.

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