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  • #23 Next Generation Strike UAVs with Ethan Thornton, CEO Mach Industries

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    In this episode, Scott interviews Ethan Thornton, the 21-year-old CEO of Mach Industries, a defense technology startup focused on creating innovative unmanned systems. They discuss the transition from traditional defense strategies to a new era of great power competition, the challenges of government contracting, and the importance of decentralized manufacturing. Ethan shares insights on the development of their products, Viper and Glide, and the cultural shifts needed within the defense sector to foster innovation and agility.

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    takeaways

    • Ethan Thornton is the CEO of Mock Industries, a defense tech startup.
    • Mock Industries focuses on creating unmanned systems for modern warfare.
    • The company aims to provide asymmetric capabilities to the U.S. military.
    • Ethan emphasizes the importance of decentralized manufacturing in defense.
    • The journey of building a startup in the defense sector is challenging but rewarding.
    • Government contracts can be navigated successfully with the right approach.
    • Cultural shifts are necessary within the defense bureaucracy to encourage innovation.
    • The future of warfare will heavily involve unmanned systems and technology.
    • Ethan's background as a tinkerer and engineer shapes his leadership style.
    • Building a strong team is crucial for the success of a startup.

    • Chapters

      00:00
      Introduction to Mock Industries and Its Mission

      06:13
      Innovative Defense Technologies and Their Importance

      09:24
      The Viper: A Game-Changer in UAV Technology

      12:17
      Funding and Growth: From Idea to Reality

      15:21
      Navigating Government Contracts and Market Dynamics

      18:26
      Manufacturing Challenges and Strategies for Success

      29:18
      Contracting Vehicles and Prototyping Challenges

      32:26
      Balancing Capacity and Usability in Product Design

      35:54
      Business Models: The Key to Disruption in Defense

      39:49
      Building a Mission-Driven Team

      42:44
      Cultural Shifts Needed in the Defense Industrial Base

      46:44
      The Role of Unmanned Warfare in Modern Conflict

      50:58
      The Impact of Cultural Change on the Defense Sector

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    • E22 Trump's Foreign Policy with Jamie Miller

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      Insights from Jamie Miller shed light on how Trump’s foreign policies align with the sentiments of his voter base. This episode reveals the evolving perceptions of national security among Americans and explores the implications behind Trump's strategic decisions.

      • Unpacking Trump's "America First" philosophy 
      • The shift in Republican foreign policy strategy 
      • Voter perceptions on immigration, safety, and national security 
      • Understanding the implications of cabinet picks for Trump’s second term 
      • The possible risks of hardline immigration policies on geopolitics 
      • The evolving nature of America's role in global affairs 

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    • E21 How Space is Changing Everything with Dr. John Klein

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      In this conversation, Dr. John Klein discusses the evolution of space warfare, the importance of maritime doctrine in understanding space strategy, and the complexities of military and civilian infrastructure in space. He emphasizes the need for the US Space Force to adapt to the changing landscape of space competition, the significance of spectrum control, and the intersection of space and cyber warfare. Klein also highlights the role of commercial entities in space and the challenges of managing risks associated with technological innovations. The discussion concludes with insights on the necessity of understanding rival perspectives to navigate the future of space as a tool of national power.

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      takeaways

      • The evolution of space warfare necessitates a re-examination of its strategic importance.
      • Maritime doctrine provides valuable insights for understanding space warfare.
      • Choke points in space include both physical locations and electromagnetic spectrum.
      • Spectrum control is crucial for effective space operations and cyber warfare.
      • Space and cyber operations are increasingly interconnected in modern warfare.
      • The privatization of space raises questions about military and civilian infrastructure roles.
      • Globalization and technology transfer in space present both opportunities and risks.
      • Managing risks associated with space innovations is essential for national security.
      • The US Space Force must adapt to the realities of space competition.
      • Understanding rival perspectives is key to effective space strategy.
      • titles

        • Navigating the New Frontier of Space Warfare
        • Space Warfare: A Maritime Perspective
        • Sound Bites

          • "Space was a war fighting domain."
          • "The mindset of space has changed a lot."
          • "We need to prepare for conflict in space."
          • Chapters

            00:00
            The State of Space Warfare Today

            01:50
            Evolution of Space Warfare Concepts

            04:51
            Maritime Doctrine Applied to Space Warfare

            07:34
            Spectrum Control and Cyber Warfare

            10:48
            Military and Civilian Infrastructure in Space

            13:39
            Emerging Competition and Proxy Warfare in Space

            16:34
            Commercialization of Space and Globalization Risks

            19:50
            Capabilities for Great Power Competition in Space

            22:57
            Deterrence Strategies in Space Warfare

            26:23
            Embargo and Blockade in Space

            28:07
            Understanding Space Force's Role

            31:35
            Commercial Integration and Space Strategy

            33:58
            Building a Space Force Identity

            38:46
            Space Force as a Hegemon in Space

            42:45
            Navigating Competition and Cooperation

            49:31
            Cultural Understanding in Deterrence




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          • E20 How Air Force TACPs Shaped the Global War on Terror with Ethan Brown

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            summary

            In this conversation, Ethan Brown discusses the evolution of close air support (CAS) and the critical role of Joint Terminal Attack Controllers (JTACs) and Tactical Air Control Party (TACP) members during the Global War on Terror. He highlights the importance of air-ground integration, the lessons learned from past operations, and the future challenges faced by the TACP community in an era of great power competition. The discussion emphasizes the trust dynamic between ground forces and JTACs, the technological advancements in air power, and the need for continued prioritization of close air support capabilities within the Air Force.

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            takeaways

            • The Global War on Terror fundamentally changed air-ground integration.
            • JTACs played a crucial role in close air support operations.
            • The TACP community is often overlooked despite their importance.
            • Close air support requires detailed planning and situational awareness.
            • Trust between ground forces and JTACs is essential for mission success.
            • Technological advancements have significantly impacted air power capabilities.
            • Lessons learned from past incidents shape current practices in close air support.
            • The future of the TACP community is uncertain within the Air Force.
            • Close air support is not just about calling in airstrikes; it's about command and control.
            • The evolution of warfare necessitates a reevaluation of JTAC roles.
            • Sound Bites

              • "This was the CAS War."
              • "The most dangerous thing we do is call in close air support."
              • "The buck stops with the ground force commander."
              • Chapters

                00:00
                Introduction to TacP and Close Air Support

                04:43
                Understanding Close Air Support

                08:04
                The Role of JTACs in Modern Warfare

                10:57
                The Importance of TacP Training and Knowledge

                13:42
                Challenges and Risks in Close Air Support

                16:39
                Lessons Learned from Historical Incidents

                19:47
                The Dynamics of Trust in Air-Ground Integration

                35:27
                Building Trust in Combat Operations

                43:38
                The Evolution of Close Air Support

                46:51
                Real-Life Examples of Close Air Support

                52:33
                The Future of JTACs in Modern Warfare

                01:02:34
                The Air Force's Commitment to Close Air Support

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              • E19 The Ukraine War with Tim Mak

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                In this  episode, Scott interviews Tim Mak, an American journalist living in Ukraine, about the ongoing conflict between Ukraine and Russia. Tim runs a publication called The Counter Offensive, which focuses on telling the stories of the Russian invasion in Ukraine through human interest stories. They discuss various topics including the state of the conflict, the role of the international community, the impact on the Ukrainian people, and the long-term effects of the war.

                The Counter Offensive: https://www.counteroffensive.news/

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              • E18 Afghanistan, Why We Failed with David Kilcullen (PhD)

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                Guest David Kilcullen. The conversation explores the reasons behind America's failure in Afghanistan and the consequences of the Taliban retaking Kabul. It delves into the concept of counterinsurgency and its application in different contexts. The discussion highlights the mistakes made in Afghanistan, such as the failure to negotiate a peace settlement with the Taliban, the expansion of ISAF without understanding the local dynamics, and the attempt to replicate the surge strategy from Iraq. The disconnect between military leaders and civilian decision-makers, as well as the lack of accountability, are also discussed. The conversation with Dave Kilcullen explores the failures and lessons learned from the war in Afghanistan. Kilcullen highlights the lack of accountability within the institution and the inability to adapt to changing environments. He emphasizes the importance of a fighting force that can critique conventional wisdom and adapt when necessary. The collapse of the Afghan government and military is attributed to a focus on central government institutions rather than local governance systems. The relationship with Pakistan is discussed, with Kilcullen noting their fear of strategic encirclement and their desire to keep Afghanistan weak. He also emphasizes the need for better civilian-military coordination, political engagement, and a willingness to learn from past mistakes in future conflicts.

                Counterinsurgency by David Kilcullen
                The Ledger: Accounting for Failure in Afghanistan by David Kilcullen and Greg Mills

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              • E17 The Army's Readiness Crisis with Michael Linick

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                The conversation explores the concept of readiness in the military and the challenges of balancing people-first initiatives with the pursuit of readiness. It delves into the definition of readiness and its various components, such as individual and unit training, equipment functionality, and supply. The conversation also discusses the Army's training cycle and the role of CTC rotations in preparing units for deployment. The impact of funding on readiness is explored, particularly in relation to personnel shortages and the need for modernization. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the tension between taking care of soldiers and maintaining readiness, highlighting the trade-offs between quality of life issues and training priorities. The conversation explores the challenges of balancing training and readiness with the well-being of soldiers and their families. It highlights the need for predictability and stability in training schedules to support soldiers and their families. The conversation also discusses the loss of training management mastery in the Army's officer corps and the focus on immediate results rather than long-term readiness. The impact of toxic leadership and the officer career track on training cycles and decision-making is also examined. The conversation concludes with a call for a better balance between training and soldier well-being, as well as the need for metrics that measure morale and command culture. 

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              • E16 The Problem with American Innovation and National Security with Leo Blanken (PhD)

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                In this episode Scott interviews Leo Blanken (PhD), an associate professor of defense analysis at the Naval Postgraduate School, about innovation as a tool of national security. They discuss the need for innovation in the rapidly changing strategic and technological landscape, the challenges faced by the US military in adapting to these changes, and the importance of a comprehensive national security strategy. They also explore the role of the defense industrial base and the relationship between the government and the private sector in fostering innovation. Dr. Blanken emphasizes the need for the military to slow down and be more thoughtful in its approach to innovation, focusing on purpose and capability rather than just grabbing technology for its own sake. The conversation highlights the importance of culture and incentives in driving innovation and transformation in the United States. It emphasizes the need for the military to leverage education opportunities as a way to foster mid-range innovation and develop strategic assets. The discussion also touches on the challenges of partnering with foreign forces and the need to understand their specific needs and priorities. The conversation concludes by addressing the issue of sacred cows in the defense budget and the importance of having tough conversations to drive innovation and question traditional approaches.

                Leo Blanken (PhD) website: https://faculty.nps.edu/ljblanke/

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              • E15 Winning Irregular Warfare in Space with John Klein (PhD)

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                The conversation explores the competition and strategic implications of space exploration and activities between states. It discusses the role of the US Space Force, the reasons for the increasing focus on space as a domain of competition, and the activities of geopolitical rivals such as China and Russia. The conversation also delves into the concept of irregular warfare in space and the potential impact of privatization on space activities. Overall, the discussion highlights the need for strategic thinking and cooperation in the space domain.

                Takeaways

                • Space has become a new domain of competition between states, driven by advancements in technology, increased access to space, and the pursuit of national security interests.
                • The US Space Force is a military organization focused on protecting national security interests in space and supporting joint operations.
                • Geopolitical rivals such as China and Russia have their own space programs and objectives, which may differ from those of the United States and its allies.
                • Space activities can be categorized as regular warfare or irregular warfare, with the latter involving actions below the threshold of armed conflict.
                • The privatization of space activities offers opportunities for innovation and cost-effectiveness, but there is a need to balance commercial involvement with the inherent responsibilities of the government.
                • Link to Buy "Fight for the Final Frontier: Irregular Warfare in Space" https://a.co/d/jgiT0Ce


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                • E14 How to Win Against China with Liza Tobin

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                  Liza Tobin, Senior Director of the Economy Team at the Special Competitive Studies Project, discusses China's systemic rivalry with the United States and the need for a strong American industrial policy. She explains why China is the main geopolitical rival and outlines its goals for global dominance. Tobin also highlights the challenges the US faces in competing with China's brute force economics and the need for a coherent counter strategy. She emphasizes the importance of investing in the basic building blocks of AI leadership and the role of the US government in buying down risk and enabling companies to scale up. The conversation explores the role of government funding in research and development (R&D) and the challenges of relying on the private sector for critical national needs. It highlights the risks of dependency on China for critical infrastructure and the importance of investing in national objectives. The discussion concludes with a call to rebuild industrial capacity and an invitation to the AI Expo 

                  Link to AI Expo: https://expo.scsp.ai/about/

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