Roger and Grant host a very special guest in Richard Gillis. Journalist, author (The Captain Myth) and all round thought leader in sport. Astonishing insight on PE investors, leadership, sport polarisation, sporting myths, and authentic punditry (like Benaud). Also discussing Grant’s medal partner Eddy Pepperell, epic rugby comebacks, and f1 sports documentaries. One of our best episodes. So much in here.