Be It Till You See It

There’s so much contradictory information about hormonal health during the midlife transition. In this episode, Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell break down their favorite takeaways from Bria Gadd, a Functional Diagnostic Nutrition practitioner and host of The Period Whisperer Podcast. They explore why shifting into perimenopause feels like reverse puberty and how years of health debt can suddenly catch up with you. Lesley and Brad share how to stop the downward spiral by mastering the basic pillars that bring back your energy and mental clarity.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Identifying the biological "retirement" process of the ovaries.
• Defining health debt and its impact on daily energy. 
• Implementing the four core pillars for hormonal stability.
• Using functional movement to avoid spiking stress hormones.
• Finding the right specialists for perimenopause and hormone therapy.

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• Bria Gadd Website - https://www.briatheperiodwhisperer.com
• The Period Whisperer Podcast - https://beitpod.com/periodwhisperer
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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

By the way, ladies, there's like, so much information that, like, after 50, our brain is like, even better than it ever was. And like, women over 50, because your brain is rewiring so it's like, it never it actually like, where, yes, people's brains stopped developing in their early 20s. The actual reality for female brains is because of perimenopause, our brain has to rewire itself because of how we operate. We don't have the same hormones that we used to. 

Lesley Logan 0:22  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 1:01  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the grounded convo I had with Bria Gadd in our last episode. If you missed that one, you fucked up and or you're brand new. 

Brad Crowell 1:17  

No, or you're not grounded. That's all. You're floating. 

Lesley Logan 1:19  

You're floating. If it sounds like I'm like, on the brink of a sneeze, I am this. My sinuses are kicking. This allergy season is kicking my ass. I'm just gonna say it. And we can't prolong this any longer. We tried. We're here. And if you're looking at this on the internet, I look like I got punched in the face. I understand. So we're going with it. And that's just how it's going to be. Today is April 2nd and it's Autism Acceptance Day. It's really important that you take a look at the different things going on in autism world, because there are some groups who are problematic, and they're autism awareness, and then there's this one, which is autism acceptance day. So I checked in with some of our amazing people in our lives who have children are autistic and they're excited that we're talking about this day. So Autism Acceptance Day, also known as World Autism Day, is observed annually, adopted by the United Nations in 2007. The purpose of this day is to raise awareness and promote acceptance of people with autism spectrum disorder. It also presents an opportunity to tear down misconceptions and false notions about the disability. So, about disability, excuse me. 

Brad Crowell 2:22  

Yeah. So I decided to just do a little homework, because we hear about, like, being on the spectrum, you know, and I put that in air quotes, even though I shouldn't have, because it's actually it is spectrum. So, so I did that wrong. But what is being.

Lesley Logan 2:36  

Joey, you're like, Joey, thank you.

Brad Crowell 2:39  

Thank you with my air quotes, thank you. 

Lesley Logan 2:42  

You're amazing. 

Brad Crowell 2:43  

Okay, so on the spectrum refers to being diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder, which is a neurodevelopmental condition affecting communication, social interaction and behavior. It means a person experiences the world differently with a unique, wide range of strengths and challenges, rather than a single linear progression of severity. So it can present itself in many different ways. 

Lesley Logan 3:10  

Oh, just like ADHD presents in different ways. 

Brad Crowell 3:13  

I'm sure, but I think that, like, the most obvious is, like, we've all, you know, if you haven't seen the movie Rain Man, you know, that's one we're seeing. But effectively, that's one way we see it. We also see like that autism can be, like, completely socially debilitating, you know, or.

Lesley Logan 3:27  

You could be like our neighbor across the street, who. 

Brad Crowell 3:29  

100% functional, has family, definitely autistic. 

Lesley Logan 3:34  

Oh, yeah. He, he holds on to zero emotions. And if they, if he and his wife are listening, hi, wow, it was me. I'm like, have you been married 20 years? If you hold on to no emotions, I understand, but I, I think that what's really important to me for bringing this up is one, we're, because we have more research and more information, it's not that there's more autistic people, it's just that when you test for things, you actually can get more like people get the labels that they need, and because we have information on how to test sooner, this means that people can get the help that they need so that they can have a life that they want to live. Whatever that help is, help can be different for each person, and it's very interesting, because Brad and I are diagnosed with ADHD, and people are thinking, if you're on the internet, it can feel like a trend for people over 40 people died of ADHD. But actually, as a child, growing up, Brad would present it as ADHD. They should diagnose him as it. But girls present differently, but they still have it. So it's not like I got ADHD. I have always had it. I have all the symptoms and signs that women would present. But that's not what was happening in the 90s. And so I just want to say, like, it's, I think it's really important, because there's an asshole in the government who's making up shit about autism and autistic people, and he can fuck himself, because it's actually not helpful, and it's not helpful that people who are autistic, and actually, like, when you diverse, when you create myths around any thing, whether it is the flu or Covid or some sort of diagnosis, it actually causes harm to the people who have it, are it, is it, and it actually means that, like, they don't get the help that they need. And then people get scared about things that are not, should not be fearful.

Brad Crowell 5:21  

Well, also, you mentioned, you know, ADHD. ADHD and autism are linked like they're, they're definitely, there's definitely an overlap.

Lesley Logan 5:30  

Oh, well, I'm pretty sure I'm still diagnosed with ADHD.

Brad Crowell 5:34  

Well, yeah, that's AUDHD, AUDHD, instead of just ADHD.

Lesley Logan 5:38  

If you look up AUDHD, I have, like, check, check, check, check, and it's like, how, now I understand, you guys, now I understand why I didn't feel like I belonged. I'm just gonna tell you right now, like, I can now understand why I felt like a person who just, like, didn't fit in, just trying to, like, watch what people are doing, so then I could be like, those people. Like that is just talk about why I'm an ambivert, you know. But I think I just want to say like, because we've had more information now it shouldn't be a scary thing to have someone in your life who is autistic. It shouldn't be like, Oh, I'm so bummed out. It's actually like, isn't it great that we can have information so that we can help people in the way they need to be helped, whether you're neurotypical or neurodivergent, we all have different needs, and then you can advocate for yourself. Our neighbor, he only got diagnosed as autistic recently because he's like, I just want to know about myself more. And I'm like, well, it allows you to advocate for yourself more. 

Brad Crowell 6:03  

He's in his 40s. 

Lesley Logan 6:08  

Yeah, but it just allows you to, his his daughter's autistic, and she presents very much differently. And it just allows you to be like, hey, when people like, Oh, you're really rude there, it's like, okay, I'm not trying to be rude. This is like, so I just think it really helps people. It's like, that's like, taking any kind of personality test. It just lets you know more about yourself. So I just want to say that, because so I just want to say that, because I got furious. They're talking about not taking fucking Tylenol or something like that, and it's like, please, pregnant mommas, you don't want a fever when you're pregnant, and that's one of the safest things you can take and so it just I, I'm not an expert on this. I have an email of an expert and advocate for autism, and so I'm hoping to get them on the podcast, because I'd like to make sure I'm talking sure I'm talking about this in the correct way, and hopefully I didn't say any words incorrectly. It was without intention, if that happened, because I do think that like there's just a weird thing going on that makes me feel like people are are being treated in a way that's not acceptable.

Brad Crowell 7:17  

Well there's just one more way to (inaudible) people, ignorance. 

Lesley Logan 7:18  

Yes and just creates fear. Anyways, we love you. 

Brad Crowell 7:22  

Well, moving on. Here's what we got coming up, because today is April 2nd. We are about to head over to London, and we're going to be at the POT in London. Lesley is going to be teaching. I'm going to be hanging out at the booth. So come say hi if you are. 

Lesley Logan 7:40  

They're celebrating 50 years of Balanced Body, and there's going to be a big party. So if there's any tickets left, you should get them. I know that they had a few tickets left for Sunday. So come, come, come, come.

Brad Crowell 7:43  

Yeah, come join us. It's, I think, this upcoming weekend, when you're finally listening to this, or no, it's like, in 10 days or something. 

Lesley Logan 7:50  

It's not this Sunday, it's the next one so, xxll.co/pot and then we're gonna come home and we're gonna do spring training.

Brad Crowell 7:58  

Spring training, OPC, spring training. So come join us. It's going to be a lot of fun this year, we're doing.

Lesley Logan 8:05  

It's just like getting your butt upside down, like, it's all the overhead stuff. And I've seen all the different teachers classes. And so if you. 

Brad Crowell 8:11  

I was gonna say inversions. 

Lesley Logan 8:13  

Inversions, like, inversions, yes, it's, I guess you don't say that. 

Brad Crowell 8:16  

You're not doing, like, handstands and stuff, but. 

Lesley Logan 8:18  

No, but we're, we're gonna talk about, we're gonna each teacher is going on with that theme. And so we have some we have like, one class which is like, no inversions. We have one like, yes, no, maybe so. So no matter where you are in your practice, there is going to be information for you. And basically, our goal is to take away the fear that many people have of getting hurt or hurting their necks, and actually understanding what connections you need to do any of the upside down exercises. Do you want to go to opc.me/events to be on the wait list, you don't miss out on the early bird. OPC members. It is a free for you. Watch your inbox so you can see how to sign up, because you'll get it free, but we're going to let you sign up for it. We're not going to force it down your throat. And then, just actually a quick note here, five in my mentorship program for comprehensively trained teachers as of the time of recording this, there's five spots left as the time you're hearing this. I have no idea recording early because we're going to be in Europe, but there's five spots left. So if you are a comprehensively trained teacher who is feeling frustrated, overwhelmed, confused, lacking confidence, or just not able to have your own personal practice with Pilates and on behalf of some and you're unsure this program is for you, you're gonna go to lesleylogan.co/elevate lesleylogan.co/elevate.

Brad Crowell 9:28  

I also just wanted to say big shout out to our team for helping us prepare for the Cambodia offer that happened in January. If you were thinking about coming to Cambodia, it is sold out. So we love you. We would love to have you come join us. We have already listed the dates for 2027 so get yourself on the waitlist there, so that you are the first to know when things are happening. We're more open in the doors for 2027. Dates are on the website right now. And you can kind of pin that into your calendar so you don't accidentally schedule something else. We would love to have you come join us, but I'm really proud of our team for all the effort that they did, you know, making sure everything went smoothly. And we're really fired up for this year's trip. It's going to be fantastic. Great job, team. 

Brad Crowell 10:17  

All right, before we get going, we had a question from Sofie Peere. She said, Hey, I have a question, for the Sunday live on YouTube. My hamstrings are very short and stiff, and I do not have a lot of strength in them. I would love to stretch and strengthen them more. But to help my practice, I know I can do the ballet stretches on the ladder barrel. But what would you recommend? What kind of other exercises would you recommend that I could work on for this. 

Lesley Logan 10:42  

Yeah. So we actually did a whole YouTube, YouTube video about flexibility and stretching. And the truth is, is that just like hanging out over your leg and stretching out like you remember when you were in PE just put your leg up on a bench, and you're just like leaning over, that's more of a passive stretching. And yes, you do feel more flexible after that. But as far as creating flexibility that lasts a long time, you want more of an active, dynamic stretch or active static. And so what you want to do is think about your single straight leg stretch on the mat. I want you pushing your leg into your arms. Most people are just pulling on their leg, versus, like, actually pushing the leg into their hands. And that's gonna be a great one on the mat. Also how you're doing your roll up and your spine stretch forward. You want to dig your heels down to activate those muscles on the back of your leg, and then round forward over them. Most people are actually just stretching their back, and they're not really stretching their hamstrings. The other thing I would say on the Reformer is your tree, same thing you're pulling on that leg with your arms, that you should be pushing that leg into your hands. It's gonna be super helpful. And then when you're looking at your elephant, are you really actually reaching your heels down? Are you just pushing your knees back so without seeing you? Sophie, some people have some hypermobility in the joints and tightness in the muscles, and so you just be making sure. Are you straighten your leg from, you know, like your leg or are you actually just pushing your knee back? But anytime you're actually stretching your hamstrings. If you activate them and stretch them, it's going to create the flexibility you're looking at, you're looking for, and it just is going to take a lot longer than you think. 

Brad Crowell 12:14  

Takes time. It takes time, but great question. Keep those questions coming. If you have a question for the pod, text us at 310-905-5534, or submit it to beitpod.com/questions where you can also leave a win. So questions or a win, go to beitpod.com/questions. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to start talking about Bria Gadd. 

Brad Crowell 12:32  

Okay, let's talk about Bria Gadd. Bria is a Functional Diagnostic Nutrition practitioner, often known as the period whisperer, and that one does go in air quotes, and her work centers on female hormonal health during midlife and perimenopause. She helps women make sense of hormonal changes so they can regain energy, feel clear in their bodies, and stop feeling like everything is suddenly broken. She's also the host of The Period Whisperer Podcast, where she breaks down the complex hormonal topics in a way that's practical, grounded and actually usable. So what would you what like do you remember this conversation intimately and like all the things I was listening to, it going, what am I about to listen to? Okay.

Lesley Logan 13:11  

Yeah, I know. Well, I'm just gonna make, keep bringing perimenopause experts on here so that you can understand why the hell you should not make noise sometimes, but you can make noise other times. 

Brad Crowell 13:21  

Make noise? 

Lesley Logan 13:21  

Yeah, like, sometimes you make tons of noise at night, and I hear nothing. 

Brad Crowell 13:30  

At night. 

Lesley Logan 13:33  

Yes. And then sometimes you make a little bit of noise, and I come marching down the hall. 

Brad Crowell 13:41  

Let me type in my computer. What are we talking about here? 

Lesley Logan 13:41  

Well, we're talking about perimenopause. Okay, so Bria is she is a period whisper, but she, like, really focuses on, like, kind of helping you understand the changes that are going on in your body as you get older. Because, as we talked about, perimenopause is like reverse puberty. And I think that's a really interesting way of thinking about it. 

Brad Crowell 13:41  

Great way to think about it. 

Lesley Logan 13:48  

Yeah. And also, by the way, ladies, there's like, so much information that, like, after 50, our brain is, like, even better than it ever was and like, women over 50, because your brain is rewiring so it's like, it never it actually like, where, yes, people's brains stopped developing in their early 20s. The actual reality for female brains is because of perimenopause, our brain has to rewire itself because of how we operate, we don't have the same hormones that we used to and so so just in case you didn't know, perimenopause is like the gradual retirement of the ovaries, which places a significant additional workload on the body's other systems, and it's a major biological transition that demands more energy without providing more in return, which means you need to have, even to have a lot extra energy than you used to have, and then you get, you get shit in return.

Brad Crowell 14:31  

Oh, crazy. Okay, a gradual retiring of the ovaries. Yeah, I've never heard it described that way, and it makes a lot of sense.

Lesley Logan 14:37  

I really like that well, because you just so, you know, I mean, we've had other Peri menopause experts on the show, but you can be in perimenopause for average of 10 years. Brad, because it could take a long time.

Brad Crowell 14:47  

Well, sure. So, because, like, you know that what, what I've heard, more than anything else, is that there's a biological clock to have a kid. What does that actually mean? In practicality, that means something is go, is intentionally no longer going to function. So that is the gradual retiring of the ovaries.

Lesley Logan 15:03  

Did you know you could actually get pregnant during perimenopause, because your ovaries are still working, they're just gradually retiring. So you could do that.

Brad Crowell 15:10  

I mean, I guess that makes sense. I have certainly heard people getting pregnant in their 40s, you know? Even 30.

Lesley Logan 15:15  

So presumably, yeah, presumably after 37 you're in perimenopause. But the goal, and here's the thing, with great doctors, you can actually be in perimenopause, you can actually keep your period for a long time. There are women in their 60s who still get it and. 

Brad Crowell 15:18  

Is that a goal? 

Lesley Logan 15:20  

Well, actually, there's a lot of information that the longer you have your period, the better it is for brain and heart and a lot of different stuff. Because we've had Dr Jill something on the pod, sort of the nest sloschenberg Slash, and something she talks about like, as soon like within two years after once you once you hit the one year mark without having a period, which means so technically, you're no longer in perimenopause. You're just post menopause, or menopausal when it's been 12 months since your last period. So you went 12 months with no periods, and you are done. Your ovaries don't work. You're you're cooked. And within two years of that, a lot of women see that they have the same heart issues that men have. And so yeah, I would like to keep my period as long as possible. Keeps your brain good. Get your heart good. It's a great way to get rid of like waste and plastics that are in the body. 

Brad Crowell 16:16  

Ah. Dr. Jan Schroeder. 

Lesley Logan 16:19  

Oh. Schroeder, I was so close. I was really close. 

Brad Crowell 16:22  

Dr. Jan Schroeder, Episode 418, and 419 for the recap. And yes, she's a professor and past chair of the Department of Kinesiology at Long Beach State University. Good memory. Dr. Jan Schroeder.

Lesley Logan 16:35  

Anyways, look, here's the deal. Perimenopause feels like a burden, but it's like the gift we didn't know we needed. Because, ladies, there's actually a ton of different research of like, that they're, now that they're actually researching women, not that the US is, they killed that one. But there are other people researching it, because you want to know what, like, a billion women are going through perimenopause at the same time, and people like, oh, we can make money off of this if we just research it. So there's a lot of information out there, and I think it's important to get to know it and not be so frustrated by it, because when you know what you're going through and what your symptoms are, they're different than other people. There is help out there, you know? And I, I've been, I've been literally raising my hand for all the help. I'm like, I'll take that one. Yes, I'll do that one. Because you know what, we have this one life to live. Feel good. What did you love?

Brad Crowell 17:19  

Yeah, I mean, you do hopefully have one, one life to live, and I agree we should feel good. Okay, so we've heard of sleep debt, right? So I thought it was interesting that Bria was talking about health debt, right? And she explained that health debt is when the energy you supply your body no longer meets the energy demand of your body, right? So energy supply equals sleep, nutrition, joy and purpose. And I'm going to repeat that. Energy supply equals sleep, nutrition, joy and purpose, joy and purpose, right? So really intriguing to me that like, your energy supply has so much to do with like, happiness and like, focus on something that keeps us going, in addition to physical like sleep and the and the food that we're eating, the nutrition, right? So she said that women often run a deficit for years before the symptoms actually show up, and when they do show up, probably like we're trying to put a band aid on something that is like years in coming. But perimenopause actually makes that health debt impossible to ignore, because it exacerbates everything, right?

Lesley Logan 18:26  

I couldn't agree more. I mean, like, I think the reason why I didn't think I had ADHD is because I had all these different things that I was doing to, like, live in the world, and then because of perimenopause, it's like, it exacerbated the issue, which is like, as an ADHD person, I don't have a stimulant, as perimenopause, my estrogen levels are going lower, which means I'm now doubly low. And so just like shows like, oh, this is why you can't focus. Hello. You never were but now you really can't. I actually want to highlight that you said that twice. Sleep, nutrition, joy, purpose. There was one, this one nutritionist who did a retreat with me back in Ojai, and she talked about how sometimes people will eat, like, candy, sugar, chocolate, because they actually didn't play or have joy in their day, and so they're trying to fulfill this need with food, versus, like, going on a swing or, you know, playing a game, or laughing out loud like something else that's that has to do with joy and purpose. You know?

Brad Crowell 19:24  

Yeah, I just thought it was great. I think that we easily can forget that being happy, being positive joy, it really does shift our outlook, our mind and then ultimately, our body. Wow.

Lesley Logan 19:42  

I also just highlight, like, we are human beings. And so many people are doing the human doing thing, you know? And so, like, especially in perimenopause, or even just like, when you're going through your cycle, it really does force you to go, oh, I should take care of myself right now. Like, the week before my period, I have to, like, slow down and do less, because otherwise I'm a bitch, and that's okay if I just do less. I'm not I'm a less of a bitch.

Brad Crowell 20:07  

Well, that's a great note to wrap that up. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna get into those, Be It Action Items that we had with Bria Gadd, The Period Whisperer. 

Brad Crowell 20:22  

All right. Finally, welcome back. Let's dig into those Be It Action Items we were just talking about. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Bria? She said, here's how you get out of health debt. We have to start with the basics, okay? So what are the basics? She talked about the four core pillars that we actually need in place. So I'm going to just review those four things. Sleep. Here's what we do about sleep, hold an actual space for sleep. She said, aim for about eight hours and keep bedtimes and wake up times consistent. So get on a routine. Even 80% of the time being consistent will make a difference for you. So but I like this idea of holding a space for sleep. Lesley and I often talk about sleep being a rock in our schedule, meaning that it has to be scheduled first, right? It can't just be like, Oops, I got, you know, I'm accidentally getting some sleep now, you have to actually be planning ahead. Nutrition. She said, eat with consistency. Have your first meal within two hours of waking then eat every four to five hours. Your meal should actually keep you full and provide more energy than they take away. So your meals should actually provide you energy so that there's some nutrition stuff there that will you have to dig into, but they should be providing you energy. Movement. Prioritize functional movement, like walking, yoga and Pilates. Using intense exercise for energy is like using a credit card for energy you don't actually have, right? It's like using a credit card for energy you don't actually have. So she's saying functional movement, not necessarily intense movement, right?

Lesley Logan 21:51  

Correcrt because intense movement is actually going to spike your cortisol. And if you do it the wrong time of the day, or if you've already had a high cortisol day, you're actually causing yourself more harm than good. I would say if you're especially if you're over 40. This is coming from someone who loves to work out and loves to lift weights. I have to be very intentional, otherwise I fuck up my sleep.

Brad Crowell 22:15  

Yeah, so and then she said joy and stress management. Joy is one of the biggest energy currency, currencies that we have for our body and you need it daily to really stress and create space for it, and to tie this to what I was saying before the break, purpose can really help you find that joy when you have a purpose, whether that is donating your time at the SPCA, or having a job you really love, or, you know, whatever it might be, kids, family, job, like, like, life, art, travel, music, whatever it is, when you have purpose behind you, it will help you find that joy even more.

Lesley Logan 22:53  

Yeah, yeah. I agree. I agree with all that stuff. 

Brad Crowell 22:55  

Yeah. What about you? 

Lesley Logan 22:56  

You have to slow down and be still. This is something very hard for me to do. 

Brad Crowell 23:00  

Well, it definitely fits with scheduling time for sleep. 

Lesley Logan 23:03  

Yes, oh, you know what I do. Here's the thing. This is actually, since I talked to Bria Gadd, my girlfriend's turned me on to this thing. We probably heard ads for it. But I drink that Moon Brew and they have an extra one. They have one that's like an extra sleep one. So you can also look at that, but like, I drink that Moon Brew and it's a nice little nighttime routine. It like, lets my brain know, like, Hey, we're getting ready for sleep, you know. And it's got all this good stuff, the healthy sleep. I highly recommend it. You go to moonbrew.co/lesleylogan20 and then you can use Lesley Logan 20 to save, but anyways, I love that. I love. 

Brad Crowell 23:34  

We'll put that link in the show notes. 

Lesley Logan 23:36  

Yeah, I think it's really difficult. My busy body, ladies, we have to slow down to be still. But like, even if you just, like, have a moment where you just go sit in your yard, or sit on your porch and sip your coffee, or you in the morning, ideally, or you sip your mood, like, just sit still for a second. Like, amazing ideas come to you. And it really does not just, like, get you answers about what you're looking for, which you want to do next, or what that purpose could be, but it helps. It helps get the brain ready for what's next. So I like that. Start with foundation. So do the basics instead of skipping ahead. If you can't do the basics, that's your sign to move to step three, which is ask for help. So if you can't do basics, if you're someone who likes to be like, I'm advanced, I'm an advanced practitioner. A lot of those people come to Pilates, they don't want to be getting beginner classic, like, I'm an advanced mover. And it's like I did a Pilates class and it was too easy. So I'm advanced. It's like, ask for help. So I have been asking for tons of help this year, and it's only March 1st, the day we're recording this. You're here in this April 2nd. But like, I have been to like, 17 docs appointments already, but I have been asking for help because you want to know what some things aren't working anymore. Things that used to work have stopped working. And so it's like, instead of just suffering in silence, you can ask for help. You could ask for Bria Gadd's help. You can ask for your doctor's help. Like, stop trying to pretend like you know everything, you know? And also, yes, I love asking the internet for stuff, but oh my god, you could easily end up in a Maha fucking algorithm. So you got to be mindful, because, remember, studying Women's Health is a very new thing, and so there's a lot of misinformation out there. It's better to talk to people who actually do study it and do work with people who are going through with what you're going through so, you know, I had to switch gynecologists in the last six months because I wanted to get hormone therapy from them, and so I switched to someone who specializes in that. Loved my gynecologist I had before, she's amazing, sent a ton of people to her, but because I'm now on the hormone track, I switched to someone who specialized in that, and that is been so helpful. The last two appointments, I'm like, this is bothering me. She's like, let's try this thing. And I'm like, Oh my God, is it that it's that easy? And if it's not that easy, you have the wrong person in your corner, that's what I have to say. So Bria Gadd, thanks for being The Period Whisperer, thanks for all your amazing advice. 

Brad Crowell 25:45  

Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 25:46  

I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 25:47  

I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 25:48  

You're amazing. Thanks for listening to definitely a terrible sounding voice of mine. I'm sure it's annoying you. Appreciate you so much. Thanks to all of you who've left a review, shared an episode with a friend, and if you haven't, share one of your favorite episodes with anybody you love. Until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 26:04  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 26:05  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 26:48  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 26:53  

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Brad Crowell 26:57  

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Lesley Logan 27:04  

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Brad Crowell 27:07  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Brad Crowell 27:20  

Stick around. We'll be right back, we're going to start talking about Bria Gadd.

Lesley Logan 27:27  

I'm here. I'm trying to breathe through a sneeze.

Brad Crowell 27:34  

All right. Catch the blooper reels. They're funny. Okay, let's talk about Bria Gadd.

Lesley Logan 27:56  

Okay, it's just that that light is like causing me to sneeze I think.

Brad Crowell 28:01  

Okay, so we're talking about, we are we are awkwardly talking about Brad making noise, because you gave no context. So making noise. 

Lesley Logan 28:09  

Well, you know you should just know these things. 

Brad Crowell 28:11  

Right. Okay, well, no one else knows these things.

Is perimenopause something to dread, or is it the ultimate diagnostic tool for your future self? In this eye-opening episode, Lesley Logan sits down with Bria Gadd, the “Period Whisperer,” to dismantle the myths around female hormonal transitions. They explore the idea of “health debt”—what happens when life keeps demanding more than your body can give—and how that starts to show up over time. Bria reframes perimenopause as a “reverse puberty,” revealing where your foundations may need support, so you can move out of the shame spiral and start investing in a vibrant second half of life.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Perimenopause can reveal what is really happening in your overall health.
• Many women are unknowingly living in a cycle of “health debt.”
• Functional issues can exist long before tests show physical problems.
• High-intensity workouts can drain an already stressed hormonal system.
• Joy and pleasure are essential sources of energy for the body.

Episode References/Links:

• Bria Gadd's Website - https://www.briatheperiodwhisperer.com
• The Period Whisperer Podcast - https://www.briagadd.com/the-period-whisperer-podcast
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bria_period_whisperer/
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BriaThePeriodWhisperer/
• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@briagadd
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@bria_period_whisperer
• Dutch Test (Functional Lab) - https://dutchtest.com

Guest Bio:

Bria Gadd is a Functional Diagnostic Nutrition® Practitioner, holistic health coach, and certified personal trainer, who specializes in female hormones, helping women with weight release and energy gain in pre and post menopause, and finding clarity in hormonal chaos. Her podcast The Period Whisperer is a top 1% wellness podcast in the world with an instagram following of over 17,000. Bria has been featured in Fox News, Women's Health and top women's podcasts such as The MidLife Makeover Show to name a few.

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Episode Transcript:

Bria Gadd 0:00  

You have to slow down and be still. Take a minute every day or once a week, look at yourself in the mirror, eye to eye, and get really real with yourself about how you're feeling. Be honest, be vulnerable with yourself and take that stillness. Nobody wants to be still, but you need to be still. That's where your answers come from. It'll be uncomfortable, but you can do it. You can do hard things.

Lesley Logan 0:23  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 1:01  

All right, Be It babe. We are going to talk perimenopause, periods and our bodies, and specifically, like listening to our bodies. And I am obsessed with our guest today. It will not be the last time I have her on the pod, for sure. Bria Gadd is here. She is the period whisperer, and she is someone who really is diving in on a on a holistic level, but like with tons of research and information and and really taking in herself and with hundreds of clients that she's worked with. And so this is really fun, educational, informational, and lots of great tools, things you can do on your own once you listen to this based on what you need. So here is Bria Gadd. 

Lesley Logan 1:11  

All right, Be It babe, we are about to have an amazing conversation on a topic I have been wanting to have on this podcast for years. I'm very excited about it. I'm so excited our guest is here because she's amazing. She's the one and only period whisperer. Bria Gadd, can you tell everyone, I'm gonna kind of let them know, but can you tell everyone what you rock at?

Bria Gadd 2:00  

Thank you, Lesley, first of all, I love I'm super loving your podcast these days. I love what you bring, how you show up for people like I felt super inspired, and we actually had you on my podcast. And you should know that I have been actively searching for, like, a great Pilates studio with the certifications you told me about. So I'm really inspired by you, and I'm sure everyone listening already knows and loves your podcast, but I hope they go review it if they haven't. 

Lesley Logan 2:26  

Aw thank you. 

Bria Gadd 2:27  

Yeah, I'm excited to be here. Thank you. And yeah, I am a Functional Diagnostic Nutrition practitioner, you know, personal trainer, but really, I specialize in female hormones, so my whole goal and purpose is to help women better understand their bodies so that they can thrive and live out their dreams in midlife and beyond.

Lesley Logan 2:47  

I am obsessed with this topic lately because, you know, I'm really grateful I had friends who are well 10 plus years older than me, so they were like singing the perimenopause warning symbols well before I needed to hear them, which is great, because I could go in with research and information, like, first, like, sign, a potential symptom. I could, like, take some autonomy and some agency into like, what am I doing? What is this? What are my options, right? But I actually feel like, for generations, women's bodies, we have not been told information about them. I mean, the crappy little video that they teach you in the sixth grade, or maybe it was the fifth grade, right? That's like, the last time, that's the first and last time. Because I actually did AP science, biology, they don't talk about any of this stuff in schools ever, unless it's like you're, you're a specialty, and even then, I wonder, you know, so it's like you're kind of like, at the mercy of what your doctor knows, and you start to feel crazy because there's, there's symptoms of things that have, not that have, that might not appear to have anything to do with your female reproductive organs. So can you chat a bit about what we should know about our bodies? I mean, that's a big topic, but like, you know, with the women that you work with, like, what do we need to know? Because being it until you see it, it's completely tied to how we feel.

Bria Gadd 4:01  

Yeah, for sure, I love this, and I am going to disrupt some things, I think, a little bit here, because, I mean, look, seven years ago when I started entering into this magical age box, which, for everyone, begins around 35 right? It's like a reverse puberty. I mean, you could not define, I didn't, nobody even knew what the word perimenopause was, and now it is like shoved down your throat. You cannot scroll social media without seeing something about hormones or perimenopause or menopause, which I think is a wonderful thing on one hand. But what I like to kind of really explain, after now working with hundreds of women and kind of going through my own journey, is that perimenopause, as I said, like your reverse puberty, is really just the retiring of your ovaries. And do not get me wrong, they're a major player. They're a big support player in our body, and when they retire, that obviously causes a lot of stress. I really think about it like, you know, if you were working in a corporate, you know, land and one of your, like, best colleagues. Who does a boatload of work for you just is starts to retire. I mean, that puts a lot more pressure on the other people in the department. 

Lesley Logan 5:07  

Brilliant. Love that description. I can feel that I've lost an assistant before, and I'm like, Oh, we can handle this. It's like, hold on, how long does it take to book a flight? 

Bria Gadd 5:15  

Yeah. So like, all transitions, right? There's more workload happening in the body. You know, everyone understands this, if you're, you know, getting married, getting divorced, changing jobs, moving locations. We understand transition. Costs more energy and doesn't really provide more. So, you know, I think on on a macro level, that's really what's happening in our body. Now, if that was the only thing going on through a few months, you know, of hiring a new person or trying some hormone replacement therapy that would resolve the issue. And here's where I think a lot of women don't understand, and it took me a while to get there, is that this? I think what perimenopause really is, it feels like a burden, but it's like the gift we we didn't know we needed. It's like a measuring stick for where your body is at, I think so that you get uncomfortable enough to do the work to change and then, like, live the next four decades feeling fabulous. I mean, I don't know about you, but I plan to live to 100 and I'm almost 44 so I got decades left. I wanna feel great, right?

Lesley Logan 6:21  

Yeah, yeah. Well, and I think, like, I think there's right, I grew up in the in the age of, like, my period, like, this thing, of, like, we should, like, it's an annoyance. Don't talk about it. Make sure no one knows you're on it. I don't know why the tampons are in crinkly paper, anyways. Like, you know what I mean, anyways. But it could just be under like, paper and it would be biodegradable, but that's my like, all these different things, right? And so then you get to perimenopause, it's like another thing to hate. And that is all this stuff we don't like about our bodies when, because of all this information is out there. You know, I got to listen to this one woman who talked about how incredible the period is, and how it's, like, taking all these toxins out of your body and like, how you should, like, it's a sign of health all these different things, like, when it's consistent and on time, it's a sign of, like, what your health is and what's going on your body. And I was like, Oh, well, then we should just welcome every time it comes. I'm like, Well, this is a good thing, but to your point, like, we are going to transition, and it does put us in a different stage, and it is a rewiring of the brain, from what I've understood, like, with the way the our bodies have to work with different hormones and different types of it, but to get mad about it, oh, now I got a hot flash. Like, we're, we haven't ever been raised to like, love what is so uniquely different about our bodies.

Bria Gadd 7:32  

And that's a human thing, right? What do we all hate? Things we don't understand? I mean, it's just a normal thing for us to push back the things. And I really think about, I mean, listen, women weren't required to be a part of medical research until the mid 1990s so if you're in my age box of being born in like, the 70s or 80s, everything you have ever operated on has been adviced for men, yep. So we're working on strategies. So it's like learning the language of the female body is like learning Latin. No one speaks it. No one teaches it. I mean, we're getting more and more teachers now, which I think is super exciting, but you're trying to learn a language that no one is speaking that's very difficult for us.

Lesley Logan 8:09  

Yeah, and also, the people who are finally ringing the alarm bells, there's very limited scientific research, they have to go with a lot of anecdotal stuff, which is fine, like, I don't have a problem with that, because we need something, because it does take time to do research, but it is also hard. And I, and I, you know, you kind of alluded to this in the beginning. It's like, if you open up your Instagram account, there's a million things. Oh, you're perimenopausal, you need a weight vest. Oh, weight vest, don't do anything. Oh, you're perimenopausal, you need more protein. Oh, you don't cold plunge. Do cold plunge. Like, for the record, I love my cold plunge. Luckily, my husband does not like it too cold. And so as a woman, it says like, you shouldn't cold punch, but you can cold punch to like, 49 Guess what? That's what it's at. And I'll fucking breath it. And it works for my body right now. And I think it's but you just open it up and it's like, do this, don't do that. It's so difficult to know what to do. And then, on the top of that, you weren't ever raised to know your body.

Bria Gadd 9:03  

Yeah, in fact, we were raised to look outside of our body for approval, to decide what to do about our body. And that's, I think, the rub here, Lesley, for everyone, that's like, what has gotten us into what I think is the real problem for most women, which is not perimenopause, it's something I like to call health debt. And health debt is when the energy you supply your body, which is through sleep and nutrition and joy and purpose, right, no longer meets the energy demand of your body. And we've been probably in this deficit for a lot of our lives as women, but now, but one, youth is forgiving, and two, now we have this added energy demand, perimenopause, so it just kind of cranks that deficit into such discomfort that now all of a sudden we have so many of these symptoms. And we know it's not just perimenopause, because again, if all it was is that your hormones are decreasing, we could take hormones, and that would fix it, but it's not. I talk to women all the time who are taking bioidenticals or hormone replacement therapy, and it might work a little, but it's just not doing the they don't feel great, and I think that's because we're in this health debt, and we're in that debt because we've been operating on strategies for men, we're in that debt because we haven't paid attention to what our body says to us. You know, we're in that debt because maybe we, you know, aren't breaking down and absorbing things in our gut anymore. Maybe our adrenals are taxed from everything we've been through in the last two decades. You know. Maybe, you know, our liver is congested. Maybe our brain is putting on the brakes, on our thyroid hormone, like, until we dig deeper in to find the root cause, we can't really get out of that debt. And I think the problem for so many women and make what makes us like, really hate perimenopause, is the longer you stay in debt in health debt, it's like financial debt, it just compounds. Just compounds, compounds.

Lesley Logan 11:00  

Oh my God, you have the best analogies and metaphors. Not really sure which one it is. I'm so sorry, guys, I really did copy in English class. It just wasn't my thing. I like to read the books. I didn't want to learn all the words. But that makes so much sense, because it is interesting, right? Like, how some people can have a whole different experience than someone else, and you're like, What is going on? And I feel fortunate that, like, in my 30s, I had a digestive issue, problem that forced me to, like, take some actual stock of like, Oh, I am not sleeping enough. I am not absorbing the nutrition. We have to make massive changes so that, you know, two years ago, when I started having sleep issues again, I didn't like, go like go, I didn't go, oh well, it's just a bad night's sleep. No, oh hold on, yeah, two nights in a row, I didn't get good sleep. That's not normal for me, right? Like, and I don't think enough people, I think you're right. So many people have been operating on a on a health debt for so long that lack of sleep is normal for them, yeah, and just because it's common doesn't mean it's normal, right? And so that I love that idea. Like, you know, if you're in a health debt, it does compound how perimenopause is going to feel because you don't have enough to give it. And like, if bioidenticals aren't working for you, it might be a sign that you need other things, you know. 

Bria Gadd 12:18  

100% and I mean, as a functional practitioner, I feel very strongly that we shouldn't just go blindly try things. Yeah, there's, there's a lot of reasons that can actually make things worse for us. But I love what you said there about, you know, kind of noticing in your 30s, like right away, or now right away, noticing what was starting to happen and jumping on it. Because you're right, it's not our fault. I don't think as women that we don't pay attention to ourselves. Again, culture puts us that way. Most women have been so busy doing 100 other things that they're just trying to kind of survive in advance. But that's why I think this is like your call to hone perimenopause. It's like before it gets too late, wake up, lady, like we need to listen to what our body is saying, and that's really what, because we don't know where the source of debt is coming from until we go digging. Like, that's why, you know, you get this confusing information. Like, everyone's like, eat more protein. Lots of women are eating more protein but not feeling any different. Why? Probably because their gut is not breaking down and absorbing the protein properly. This is a very common thing that I see, and then it's so frustrating because we think it's our fault. We're like, oh, something's wrong with me. I'm broken. And then shame spiral, right? 

Lesley Logan 13:29  

Yeah, that shame. Oh, my God. Everyone listening knows the shame spiral. Okay, I think I have a question for the perfectionist and overachievers listening, listening to your body. Like, what are they should be listening for, you know, like, let's like, are they are like, what are the KPIs or biomarkers, or, like, what are some things like that they should because I again, like most of when listen this, are over 40. They're doing they're in that sandwich generation as well. They've got elderly parents who are still alive, causing drama. They got kiddos, and if they don't have kiddos, they're single women, working for themselves, so they're their own income source, right? Like, so they're exhausted, so, yes, they're tired. And so is that the only what are the other signs that they could be like, looking at their health, debt, or listen to their body?

Bria Gadd 14:13  

Listening to their body, yeah, I mean, I think like to try to make it super clear for the for the type errors, like, what's out there? Like, if whatever symptoms you are having is impacting your life more than 20% of the time you're in debt Period. End of the story. I think that's a really great measure.

Lesley Logan 14:28  

I love this bright line, yes, 20%. You guys that

Bria Gadd 14:34  

So like, that's four times a week, or, like, four, you know, in a way, I think about it right. If you think about it in nutrition, for example, we eat three meals a day. That's 21 meals in a week. You know, 20% of 21 is about 3.75 so, like, let's call it four times a week, where you're like, Oh, crap, I'm not sleeping well four times a week or, I mean, probably three times a week would be enough. You know, I can't get through the afternoon without like, brain fog or needing caffeine or needing sugar. You know, I can't get through my workout, or I'm not getting results from my workouts anymore, like big signs from your body. Like, let's not waste our time here. Let's step back and get out of debt so that we can get back to investing energy where we want it to go.

Lesley Logan 15:15  

I like that. I think that was a great, easy thing for people to think about, 20% of the time, and then it's disrupting your week. You are in health debt. And I think where people are going to struggle is like, well, if I'm having trouble sleeping, it's not like I just sleep more. Because some people it's not like they're going to bed too late, you know, like, you know, like I go to bed at the same time. And when I do have a bad night's sleep, it's so frustrating because I'm like, I set aside enough time to sleep, I woke up three times. You know it happens for me, it is typically, usually the night before my period. No matter what progesterone I take, no matter what supplements I take, it's just the night before my body is like, we're just having a rough time staying asleep. I've got at least a cycle to it, but it's not four times a week. But I guess, like, what I'm saying is, like, for the people who who are struggling, like they're committing to getting the sleep or eating well, who should they go to? Because you go on, you can get with your doctor sometimes first, like, what are they looking for?

Bria Gadd 16:13  

Yeah, no, it's a great question. I think, like, I was one of those people. I mean, I had been a personal trainer and nutrition coach for like, 10 years, and all of a sudden, I'm like, what is happening to my body? And, I mean, when I look back now, I'm like, Oh, I was like, all of a sudden having anxiety in my life. My periods got really heavy. You know, I was having this, like, weird, twitchy eye thing for a long time, I wasn't getting results from my workouts. In fact, I hadn't changed anything, but I was gaining weight. It took until my sleep, like, totally tanked, where I was waking up every night in a sweat for me to actually be like, Oh, maybe something's wrong. Hit yourself over the head with it. But I did go to my doctor, and she was wonderful. Asked all the questions, did all the lab work but she kind of looked at me, Lesley, and was like, Bria, you're the picture of health. I mean, then that's when you start to think, oh my gosh, I'm crazy. It's in my head, like, and then I also thought, like, that was 30 I was 37 so I'm like, if this is 37 and this is the picture of health, like, I'm not down for the next 37 years. Like, it does not sound fun for me. So to answer your question, that was a long way, sorry. 

Lesley Logan 17:14  

No, you're good. 

Bria Gadd 17:15  

I always think it's important that women understand doctors have an important role, but their job is to test and look for physical problems in your body. If you do not feel well, and you do not have a physical problem because your doctor says you're fine, it's a functional problem. It's way before, like, way before we have, you know, like, have to have a hysterectomy from really heavy periods and endometriosis. There is a hormone imbalance, there's a function imbalance, and it can be there for a long time before we get to that piece. Way before people are diagnosed with hypothyroidism, there is a conversion issue in the thyroid. So, and that's what our doctors aren't testing and looking at. So I really strongly believe that a big part of owning your health as a woman these days, in this landscape when we're uneducated, is working with a functional practitioner and getting to know the function of your body and your numbers now, where they're at, when you feel good, if you can, and if not, when you feel bad. So we can repair that function so that we don't get to that point.

Lesley Logan 18:17  

Okay, I love this. So now my next question is, because when I was on your show, we talked about like, how to find a good Pilates instructor, how to make sure you got a real Pilates instructor? And I think, like the way the algorithms work, whether it's YouTube, Instagram, Tiktok, the moment you start looking up stuff about your body, you could end up down a rabbit hole of people who don't pay attention to science. So how do we make sure that we get, aside from just looking up you how do we make sure that people like, what are the signs that someone's a true functional practitioner, like, and not, you know, just go do some tallow. And I don't know, I'm not really sure. Like, there's a lot of weird stuff out there. You're like, is that where we should all be going?

Bria Gadd 19:01  

Yeah, for sure. I totally, I love that. I've never been asked this question before, so I really love it. 

Lesley Logan 19:06  

Because, like, because my mom, like, sends me something. She's like, you know, she like, sent me this one thing. I was like, oh, yeah, totally, I agree with that. My my MD, who also does Eastern medicine, agrees with that. And then to the next thing, I'm like, Okay, so I'm gonna push back on this one, Mom, I don't know what algorithm you're on, but like this, this thing is a little bit, you know, and then the next thing, she's sending me like, okay, you are, you need to change your algorithm. You are now on the wrong side of the internet. 

Bria Gadd 19:29  

I'm curious about what those things were. 

Lesley Logan 19:31  

Oh, yeah. Talk offline.

Bria Gadd 19:35  

Yeah, it's, there's, and I understand that it's challenging one. I feel very strongly like get on a free call with someone. I really think, you know that's the landscape, because, yes, a good, functional practitioner should, should always be working with you on like lifestyle and nutrition. First and foremost, they're the bedrock. And anything that comes up in a lab and any protocol, whether it's supplement or hormones or peptides, not really going to work if we don't have these foundations. So make sure that that's a part of the protocol, that they're trained, either holistically or with nutrition, so that we're dealing with that as the foundation of your health. But I think you know when you get on a call with someone, because I think that's important, and you know, you want to understand if they can actually order the labs and explain the labs for you. So sometimes, when I hop on a call with someone, I'll actually pull up my labs, because those are the only ones I can share and go over, like, what we're going to learn in there. Because I think I end up working with a lot of people who have ordered labs online themselves or through something, but they don't know how to read it or, like, they're just getting a written response when really, I think labs are so about customization to what you're feeling in your body. Like, why are you not sleeping well half of the month, Lesley, you know what I mean? Is it a blood sugar issue? Is it your thyroid? Like, where are the little kinks in the, you know, in the pipelines of energy, that's kind of making it harder for us to get there, especially if you are taking progesterone, for example, does that make sense?

Lesley Logan 21:10  

I love this because I like that, like, first of all, they should be, like, looking at lifestyle and nutrition first. Because before you just, like, add supplements, you could just be putting a band aid on a problem, and so you're not solving the source. 

Bria Gadd 21:20  

Or wasting your money. 

Lesley Logan 21:22  

Yeah, oh my gosh. And also wasting your money, because also, some of the supplements guys don't even have the things that they like. It's like, you got to be careful. You got to you got to be mindful. And and I love the supplements that I'm on, but I'm on specific ones after, like, doing some real research on, like, is my my room, the temperature, it needs to be like, okay, is it as quiet as I need to be? Is it? What do I need? How do I sleep the best so that I'm setting myself up for success? Then it's like, okay, now we can try some of this up. Otherwise we're just it's not working.

Bria Gadd 21:55  

Yeah, I love that. And what you do there is so important. Is that, again, it's this kind of self assessment. Like, okay, like, let's hold on a hot minute. Like, am I at least creating the space for my sleep? Like, going to bed at an appropriate hour, not staring at screens before I go? Am I just creating the space before I start, you know, testing out all these supplements to see if they're going to make that difference or not? Because we I think sleep is one of those things that's so hard to control, and the more you try to control it, it like, slips through your fingers like water. 

Lesley Logan 22:17  

I understand what you're saying. You know, it's so funny. You just brought up, you guys, I was totally on my screen last night. I didn't have to walk my dog, wasn't here, and I was like, 1,000% like, I want to look at these reels and just like, laugh. So I fucked my own self up. That was me. It's really funny. We forget that we did that. Like, Oh, I have a no screen rule, and I usually walk my dog so I'm not on my screen an hour before bed and it's dark outside and I didn't do those things.

Bria Gadd 22:51  

I'll get into habits like on my last Dutch which is like a good functional lab that helps you understand not just your sex hormones, but your adrenal hormones, your cortisol pattern, the clearance and detoxification of your hormones, which I think is so important, I could see this elevation of my cortisol at night, which is now called like a like dysfunction in your HPA axis. And I'm like, I know exactly what that is. I was watching like The Walking Dead for all 11 seasons over like two years. So I'm watching this show before I go to bed, I'm like binding up my cortisol. And I'm like, why am I not sleeping well?

Lesley Logan 23:25  

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's really, you know, like we have a rule at this house. Like, my husband loves to cook, and obviously, like, I could take responsibility there, but he sometimes cooks late, and like, we're Spaniards or something. And, you know, and I am like, I just, I need you to cook earlier, or I need to eat by myself, like, so I can take responsibility if you don't want to cook until 7:30 because that's when you got home. And 7:30 means you go to the store, whatever, like, maybe I need to go, okay, what can I make myself right now and then? Just sit with him while he eats. Because if I eat too late and I go to bed, I have a really rough time falling asleep. And that's normal. It's not like, oh, I should call my doctor. No, I didn't set myself up for success for what I need. And I think that like to your point in taking time to understand what your health debt is and understand like, what your lifestyle so I love that you said that the person you're talking to should want to touch those things first, because, if you you know, like, and yes, there should be labs. And yes, you can look at them and go, that's because of these things. But like, what are you currently doing? What is your current habit?

Bria Gadd 24:32  

Yeah, and I think where it's so helpful to get help is to recognize that we all don't have cookie cutter lives. You know, some of you know when, when you work, how you work, how much you work. You know what your family dynamics are like, what your partner support is like, like, all of these things really play a role in how we're able to change and create foundational habits, and what those habits are for you. And at the same time, like the people always want to know, like, what should I eat? How much should I eat, I'm like, I don't know your body knows. So we need to take the time, and what I think you've already done so well is like, what is good for me? And it's not like a magical answer, it's trial and error to kind of figure this out for yourself and maybe for you and I, being in the wellness industry, maybe that's been a little bit easier, because it is a priority for us. But so if you're someone who that's not, you're not in the wellness industry, and you cannot seem to do this for yourself. I mean, get some help. Like, that's what a practitioner should do, is help you nail the customization for yourself.

Lesley Logan 25:34  

I think that like and having patience and not trying 17 things at once ladies, so, like, don't start with a new trainer and a new functional medicine person and a new this at the same time. You got to, like, be kind yourself. It's really not the easiest thing to start a bunch of new things at the same it doesn't work. It's overwhelming, and then you don't know what's working.

Bria Gadd 25:53  

The analytics are hard because there's no constant, right? When you think about like I was, science wasn't my favorite thing in school, although I love more of it so much now, but you know, you have to have, like, a constant with the variable. So, like, you need to know what the solid things are and what the thing you're testing is, to know if it works, and you're right. Like, we didn't get here into health debt overnight. So getting out of debt is going to take a little bit of time. Always worth it. It's always worth it. 

Lesley Logan 26:21  

Yeah, okay, I want to just in case, like, you know, I think that we all know that your Instagram account is full of everything about perimenopause, but just in case people are being because I do think people get a little misled or inundated with, what are some of the we talked about, 35 is this start point, probably for most people, what are some of there's the common symptoms that everyone knows about. What are some of the non common symptoms that could be that they're in perimenopause, and then maybe, if you have time, like, how can we address it a little bit differently than just, like, Oh, I gotta go. Now I'm perimenopausal. This is where I'm at. Like, how do we, like, welcome it in and, like, take care of ourselves for it?

Bria Gadd 27:02  

Yeah. So I would say uncommon symptoms are, like, frequent urination, things like that, or it might start any type of incontinence. So if you're waking up a lot in the night to pee, or, you know, that can be a really sign. Again, for me, I mentioned, like, I had this weird Twitch, like in my eye. And again, it wasn't perimenopause, but it's just that it just kind of, it was, like, likely how my life had always been going from my it was my adrenals actually off, but you add this all of a sudden challenge of your hormones shifting and like, oh boy. Like, this is a part of it. I mean, libido is always a quick one to go, but I think that's pretty common for people, Restless Leg Syndrome, you know, hair loss or changes in your hair and skin, that can all be a part of this time. But I think, like the real symptoms of hormones kind of decreasing, we really, if that's all again, that's going on for you, yeah, you might start to have a bit more trouble sleeping. Yeah, you might find a little bit more brain fog, and maybe not quite have the same energy and not quite have the same ability to repair after a workout. Yes, your libido might go down, because our sex hormones are really big part of our libido. But again, I think that if it's something that becomes consistent, like any of these things, that if they start impacting your life, so that you can't live the way you were living, that's when we know. One, it's time for help. And two, it's likely more than just perimenopause. It's not great. We can try some hormones, and then we should be feeling significantly better to navigate this transition.

Lesley Logan 28:34  

I love that reminder that, like it's quite possible that's not like the perimenopause is happening, but it's really shining a light on the other places in our bodies that we haven't been taken care of because we can't. I was just talking about with my client, actually, this is really funny, not funny, haha, but just, like, interesting. I was just talking about how, like, oftentimes, people are pushing themselves so much so that when something bad happens, they don't have enough in the tank to handle their life and the something bad happening, but if they had been taking care of things to the best that they could, so that when shit hits the fan, they could handle the shit and, like, the other plates don't fall down, right? But like, so that's the same thing, like perimenopause happens, and because they're already running on empty, all these other things are happening too. Yeah. 

Bria Gadd 29:20  

Yeah, it's, it's the biggest reminder to learn how to work smarter, not harder. And I think a lot of us, especially women, have gotten by and gotten the success we have in the first half of our life by hustling, hustling hard, and it has come at a cost. So we need to start to learn and adapt different ways that prioritize the foundations of our health, so that, like we so that, yeah, a big wind storm comes in, or a tsunami.

Lesley Logan 29:47  

Yeah, I know you guys just had a crazy windstorm. 

Bria Gadd 29:50  

Oh, yeah, we did. It wasn't, I mean, maybe it was crazier near the airport. It wasn't as crazy near what, where I was, but, yeah, anyway. But I think that's what happens. Like, we're going through life, and then life is going to have storms. It's just is, and we really don't want it to knock us over. We want to have the foundations of our health in place. So you kind of ask, like, you know, what are I think? What are those foundations? Or, you know, where do we go? Okay, now I know I'm in health debt, what is my first step? And I'll try to cut through some of the noise for people to give them, like, what I think of as like kindergarten, basics that we should be focused on and haven't been in our health to get us out of debt, right? Like, just same thing with like financial, you know, basics that we need to do. So one, we have kind of four pillars of our health that we all know pretty well we looked out to, like the Wild Kingdom of animals. And they all, they do all these things every single day. So we need to bring this back. We do it for our kids. We do this for our pets. One we gotta hold space for our sleep. We've already kind of talked about that. So, you know, making sure you are creating and really, the reality is, most women do need eight hours, like you can get away with seven here and there. But we do for the average need that eight hours. Again, everyone's a little different, but hold space and be consistent with it. Try to be as consistent as you can. Again, 80% is enough with when you go to bed, what you do before you go to bed, when you wake up, and what you do when you wake up. And obviously we know watching stressful shows at night or screen scrolling is not ideal for your adrenal hormones to help you sleep. Okay, so we want to hold that space and be consistent with it like we do for babies. Nutrition is the next one. So I think before we even worry about how much protein and how many carbohydrates, let's just have some consistency to our nutrition. Treat your body like a baby when you wake up, we need to eat within two hours of waking. We need to eat four and a half to five or four to four to five hours later. We need to eat four to five hours later. If you have to go longer, have a snack. Your food, the amount of food you eat should really keep you full and satisfied for four to five hours. So if you eat breakfast and you are hungry or anxious or exhausted before four and a half to five hours, you haven't eaten enough, or it's not the right fuel mixture. Right there. It's really, really simple to get to that. So you can play with that. You can then say, Okay, let's try more protein at this meal, specifically, because everyone's a little different. So at the very least, we want consistency in our nutrition. And I mean, this is not new news to everyone when we're trying to get out of debt, and food is one of our biggest suppliers of energy, like our currency, our salary, we could call it in that example. So make sure the food you're eating provides your body with more energy than it taketh away, right? And that's, so like, let's take be real about your food. You know, if you are eating processed foods, sugar, gluten, conventionally raised, dairy, you know, some of the heavy hitters, alcohol, right? If you're doing this more than 20% of your week, it's costing your body way more than it's providing, like, it's not even not, here's a double negative for you, English. It's not even that you're not going to get the energy you need right now, but it's creating inflammation in your body. So now, all of a sudden, the energy supply isn't getting where we need to go, and now we have a greater demand. So we got to get really real with our nutrition, that way, for kind of basic health debt. I really feel strongly that women need to be prioritizing movement, functional movement, over fitness. And we talked about this a bit when we interviewed you. So like walking, yoga, Pilates, like Pilates is a really great one, especially for those like type A women who really need to feel a workout, but we need to do something that literally is not calling on cortisol so significantly in your body, but is still moving the body in some ways. So before you start like lifting heavy weights and calling on cortisol on your body, or doing your CrossFit or any high intensity interval training, are you at least moving your body enough in a day so that it has what it needs for lymphatic drainage and for, you know, oxygen coming in and just overall functional movement. And I think that's a big one for women, is that we're out there, like, brushing it in our workout, and then we're tanked in the afternoon. It's like, three you just used a credit card to get something done when you don't have money.

Lesley Logan 34:16  

And that's like, you know, I realize, like, some of these things we talk about, some of the fitness, it's like, it can be inaccessible financially to have a personalized fitness program for you. That being said, be really mindful then if you are, oh, I have to go to a studio for my fitness classes. Then you got to pay attention to where you are in your cycle, if you can track it still, because that workout wasn't tailored to you, and you're going at the time that they're giving you. So I have a trainer I love to lift weights. This particular week is not the week for me to push as heavy as possible. So I had to go, Okay, what other things can I take off the plate? Because I still want to do the training that she provided, right? So I was supposed to film this week. I was like, we're not filming this week. I either can film or I can do these training sessions. I can't do both. So I was like, we're not filming also, I don't need a fucking camera right now. I don't want to be on a camera right now. So I'm going to honor that I don't want to be on camera right now, we're gonna film a different day. Then she goes, like, you can take two to three minute rest between these. Guess what? I took three plus. I was like, three plus was a long workout, but I didn't stress myself out. So I could sleep well, so when I woke up the next day, I wasn't sore. The other thing is, is, like, on the weeks that I know that it's not a pushy week, I am taking the max time, and I am doing my sauna blanket, or I'm doing my red light, like, whatever I can to just keep things. So if you're going to a class that is, oh, this is when the class starts, when the class ends, and I've do whatever the class is designed, you have to take care of yourself other places, because you're, you're just going to be in health debt. It's just not, it's gonna be fun. And when I learned that about my cycle, I was already like, like, you know, always hard on the same day, but the symptoms before my cycle completely changed, which was, like, amazing. I was like, Oh, I was in control the whole time.

Bria Gadd 36:10  

Yeah, I love that, you so, because what, exactly what you did there is, you're like, I can't afford both of these right now. So which one is my priority, and how do I make up some extra money, you know. And I think money energy is giving here, so. 

Lesley Logan 36:24  

Yeah, oh, thank you. Well, thanks for validating that.

Bria Gadd 36:27  

And I'll just think real finally, like, onto that kind of the foundations, those kindergarten foundations, you know, you've got sleep, movement, nutrition, stress management and, or really, I mean, I, what I'd like to call it is joy, right? Like, joy is the most underrated, but like, 10x opportunity for you to provide energy for your body. Everyone can think of a time when, whether they were falling in love and, like, weren't hungry, couldn't could stay up all night talking on the phone, or, you know, went to a concert and just like, felt so amazing because of the energy we know that joy provides, you know, energy, however, if you're so stressed, like, everyone knows if they're stressed, like, we can't orgasm and we can't take a joke, so it's like, we need to find ways to relieve that stress in some ways. So whether you're someone who can take a few deep breaths, or whether you're someone who needs to, like, go scream into a pillow, like, you gotta get that out daily, so that you have space for pleasure and joy, because it's one of the biggest energy currencies for your body.

Lesley Logan 37:28  

I love the sign you can't take a joke and you can't have an orgasm. Because I think we all like, yeah, can't take a joke. There's a sign, ladies, you are not.

Bria Gadd 37:38  

If you can't take a joke and you haven't orgasmed in a while, you're likely in health debt.

Lesley Logan 37:45  

I love you so much. Okay, we're gonna take a brief break. Yeah, find out how people can find you. Follow your work with you. 

Lesley Logan 37:52  

All right, Bria, where do you hang out? Are you on Instagram? Which website? Where's all the places people can go?

Bria Gadd 37:58  

Yeah, so I do hang out a lot on Instagram, which is @Bria_period_whisperer or come check out The Period Whisperer Podcast, anywhere you listen to your podcast. I think those are some of the best places to catch me. You'll find a website there anyway. 

Lesley Logan 38:12  

Yeah. Also, like, go nerd out. Is this a topic like, this could be your hobby for a little bit everybody like, there's a you know what? Like, it's easier to get information from one great source than like from a bunch of sources that you're like, I'm not really sure why this is my feed. So go, go check her out. Okay, you've given us a ton of great tips already, but bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us?

Bria Gadd 38:35  

Okay, number, I'm going to tell you to do all the things that you're not doing as a woman, get ready. Three very clear things. One, you have to slow down and be still. And the action step is like, take a minute every day or once a week, look at yourself in the mirror, eye to eye, and get really real with yourself about how you're feeling. Be honest, be vulnerable with yourself, and take that stillness. Nobody wants to be still, but you need to be still. That's where your answers come from. It'll be uncomfortable, but you can do it. You can do hard things. Number two, start with the foundations. Everyone wants to like, skip on up to university before we've done these kindergarten basics, do the basics. If you can't do the basics, you know it's time for my third action step, which is ask for help. Again, women are terrible at asking for help. They're terrible at being still, they're terrible at starting from the ground, and they're terrible at asking for help. But it is exactly like the obstacle is the way. It's exact things that you need to do first to start digging yourself out of debt so that you can increase your energy and invest that in anything you want to be investing it in in midlife and beyond.

Lesley Logan 39:43  

I love these so much. Also, like asking for help, ladies, I'm just gonna tell you right now, feels really weird because you're like, oh my god, I should I know? Like you feel like I don't. I don't want people to know I don't have I know how to do the thing I'm asking for help for everybody knows you can do it. Somebody wants to do that. That's the job that they want to have, you know, like, my amazing assistant, like, does all these amazing things for me, because it allows her to do things that she loves it to do, you know, so, like, just remember that, like, when you're not asking for help, you might be taking away someone else's opportunity to have joy, because that's what their strengths lie in. So you're stealing joy from other people by not asking for help, I'm just gonna. 

Bria Gadd 40:22  

Stop stealing other people's joy.

Lesley Logan 40:24  

You know, some ladies are so good at feeling guilty, let's use a little guilt to motivate you and ask for some help. 

Bria Gadd 40:32  

Thank you. 

Lesley Logan 40:34  

Oh yeah, Bria, you're so great. This is so fun. We'll have to do this again sometime, because I'm sure there'll be next levels. We'll be on the other side of all of this, and we'll have more things to learn about our body, but I just adore you and what you're doing. Thank you so much. Everyone, how are you going to use these tips in your life? Make sure you let Bria know. Let the Be It Pod know. Share this with a female friend in your life who needs to hear it. We all have that friend who needs to slow down, take a minute and you know what, she won't know, that this is why you send it to her till right now, she'll just be getting great advice, and then right now she'll realize that you did it because she's not listening to you to slow down. So anyways, but it's all for love. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 41:13  

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah. 

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:44  

Hi Be It babe, we made it. We made it to the end of March. We're here. We did it. Hopefully you celebrated your wins along the way, and hopefully you sent them in, because that's what this episode's about. We can't wait to share your wins. Some inspiration. This inspiration. This is beautiful. This is like, I saw this. I cried when I read it. I cried when I shared it to Brad, because I was like, I have to show this Brad, and I'm gonna cry probably reading it to you. But I just think that, like, we need to know that there's good people doing good things out there in the world, and like, people doing what they can. And I think it's really important thing in being it until we see it and helping out the people around us and helping out humankind, we have to remember that it feels like a big problem if we try to do it all by ourselves, but if we just do what we can, and everyone's doing what they can, it all adds up. It changes the world. It really, really does. I was talking to my yoga teacher this morning before I started recording these and, you know, I convinced someone in my world to change, you know, how they are voting. You know, they were able to see the hypocrisy and things like that and like it can feel like, so like, like, it's one person, but it's also one person. If we all do it, check us out. Anyways, this is the inspiration. So this is from @shady_et and we basically compile collections of kind stories. So this is not their story, but the story that they compiled. So it said, the person says, I work at Petals and Stems a flower shop downtown. This man came in Tuesday morning, suit, tie, crooked, tie crooked eyes, red. My daughter, she's six, cancer. She's dying maybe a week left, and she loves yellow. He started crying right there in front of the daisies. I made him tea. What's her name? Emma. We bring her flowers every day at the hospital. It's the only thing that makes still makes her smile. After he left, I called every flower shop in the city. 12 shops. Told them about Emma. The next morning, I drove to the hospital with my car full of yellow flowers. When I got there, 11 other florists were already waiting, fans lined up, arms full of yellow we filled Emma's room every surface, the windowsill, the floor, the nurse's station, the hallway, yellow everywhere. Emma opened her eyes and smiled. It's a yellow garden like heaven. We stayed. All 12 florists sat in the hospital room just being there. One brought a guitar. Another read Emma a story. Emma died three days later, surrounded by yellow flowers and strangers who loved her anyway. At her funeral, every florist donated arrangements. Her dad told everyone about the day the flower shops came. Emma thought she was in heaven already. She was right. Okay, hold on, I'm gonna get this out. Now, every year, on Emma's birthday, all 12 shops close for an hour. We bring yellow roses to the pediatric ICU, fill the rooms, sit with the families. We call it Emma's garden. I can't but like, how cool. So, like, don't ever underestimate the power of what you can do. You know, like, just, just being kind and thoughtful. It took a phone call, and now they get together every year and they do this. So anyways, woo, beautiful stuff. Okay, so I'm smiling and crying because I just picture how wonderful it is for that little girl that she got to experience that, and then all the kids would get to because of her. Love for them. 

Lesley Logan 0:44  

So, now I have to deal with your wins. What a great transition. Here we go. This one is from @be_more_betty, my wins, just launched my second chemical free beauty product, and one of my fave stores is taking it on. Also, braved the sauna and C session, fucking cold, especially on the feet, yeah, uh huh. But I had the best night's sleep ever trying to fill my cup as I'm hosting event next weekend, trying to stay grounded. Anyone else could still get anxious over hosting events. Always because you care. Because if you care, you're gonna get a little anxious, and then Gay Hendricks just says, if you exhale and inhale correctly, that anxiety will turn into excitement. So just little tip for you. Thank you, @be_more_betty, thanks for sharing your wins. Way to take action, and also way to go get caught in cold. I mean, that is a thing I want to do someday in that, like actual ocean, not just my cold plunge, I do my cold punch, but also, you know, we'll get there. We'll get there. 

Lesley Logan 2:16  

Okay, my win. I'm almost on my second honeymoon, actually. So Brad and I are in Belgium right now teaching. It's really quite fun. I've never taught here before, so it's really fun to be amongst friends. And it's a couple years in the making, making this happen, and it's just really beautiful and wonderful. And we had a great trip on our weekend over here. But Brad and I are taking our second honeymoon, which happens to be 10 years almost to the date of our first honeymoon. Another win packed into this. It's like, I no longer am going to, like, go back and forth to Europe, like I I do it once, and I'm just going to be there for a month, and I'm just going to do it. And so we packed this trip in Poland, then Belgium, then our little break, and then we're ending the trip in London for POT London. And so there's a few wins in there. And just like it took a lot of planning, took a lot of coordinating with lots of different people and putting ourselves out there and all these things, but we did it, and we're going to enjoy a week and a half just celebrating what we've done the last 10 years and all the work that we've been doing together in the last almost six years, that we've been just working together full time. And it's also because of all the things that you love and the things that you say you do. So this, this this trip, is like a big celebration, and we, it feels very communal, because we, we so appreciate the questions you send in, OPC members' feedback, Agency members' feedback, eLevate members' feedback, because it means that we get to keep growing ourselves to make it better for you. And we get to, we get to go work in Europe for a month, and that allowed us to have a little week to ourselves to explore our country. I've never been to. I'm actually gonna see France. Holy moly, that's another win, but I'll share more about those in our April FYFs.

Lesley Logan 1:58  

 All right, let's get you on your way. Let's get you on your weekend. Let's get you to your next podcast. But first, let's get you a mantra. Love for myself is the root of respect. Love for myself is the root of respect. Yes, it is. All right, Be It babe. You know what to do. Send your wins in and your questions in to beitpod.com/questions, share this with a friend who needs to hear it and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 3:05  

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Brad Crowell 7:32  

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Lesley Logan 7:37  

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Brad Crowell 7:42  

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Lesley Logan 7:49  

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Brad Crowell 7:52  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

What if the secret to a well-behaved child isn’t more control, but less? In this grounded and eye-opening recap, Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell break down key takeaways from Gail Hugman, an educator with over 50 years of experience helping parents and children grow together. This episode challenges the traditional “because I said so” approach, offering a fresh perspective on how teaching executive function skills—like self-control and focus—can help kids take ownership of their actions. Whether you're navigating homework struggles or leading a team, this conversation offers tools to build responsibility and independence.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Explaining the "why" behind tasks improves cooperation and understanding.
• Children are intuitively born to grow and desire more responsibility.
• Transitioning from controlling children to teaching them internal self-control. 
• Using natural consequences to help children process their own choices. 
• The essential order for teaching executive function skills to children. 

Episode References/Links:

• Contrology Pilates Conference (Wroclaw, Poland) - xxll.co/poland
• Pilates Workshop (Bruges, Belgium) - xxll.co/brussels
• Pilates On Tour® (London, UK) - xxll.co/pot
• OPC Spring Training (Virtual Event) - opc.me/events
• Gail Hugman's Website - https://www.lessonsalive.com
• Can Contemporary Pilates Be Done on Classical Equipment - https://beitpod.com/classicalequipment
• What are the Best Pilates Books - https://youtu.be/JhBVaT2Umfw?si=ieeWA5_L-gvzrq5E
• Best Pilates Books from Lesley Logan - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=example
• Ep. 262 with Adrian Koehler - https://beitpod.com/ep262
• Contrology Handbook by Sandy Shimoda - https://www.pilates.com/products/contrology-handbook
• Get to Know Joe Pilates by Cathy Strack - https://cathystrack.com/product/get-to-know-joe-pilates
• Gail Hugman’s Website - https://www.lessonsalive.com
• Gail Hugman’s Books - theendlessbookcase.com

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Episode Transcript:

Brad Crowell 0:00  

Listening to her stories, you know, she is intentional about giving people the tools, like you were just talking about the tools to develop as a child, to grow into the adult that joins the the pack, right, the society, right? And when you are empowering them with the tools, then they can make decisions that are logical and all those kinds of things, instead of just be like, I guess, like, like, think about it. If you're just like, do it. Why? Because I said so. What are you doing? You're actually, you're actually molding a human to always be told what to do.

Lesley Logan 0:37  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:19  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the grounded convo I have with Gail Hugman. Hugman. 

Brad Crowell 1:27  

Hugman. 

Lesley Logan 1:28  

Yeah, that's right. I'm like, sorry, Gail. I know you're listening, but you know when you're like, oh, all of a sudden, hold on. Did I miss a G, H, whatever. Gail Hugman, she's fucking the best it was in our last episode.

Brad Crowell 1:38  

The two of you. So I listen everything on like, 2x speed. And if I could, I'd probably try to listen to it on 3x speed. And the two of you were like, giggle monsters.

Lesley Logan 1:47  

I'm obsessed with her. Like, I and I was like, when Brad came up, he was halfway through her interview, and he's like, this is amazing. And I was like, Oh, good, because I did go for a second going, am I about to, like, get all the parents to hate me out there, like, like, I don't want to be, because here's the deal, I understand, I don't have children. I get that. I don't understand the day to day. I can't even imagine the cell phone conversation I my kids. I'll just tell you right now, here's where I'd be. They would hate us. They would have a flip phone with those heavy batteries so big it wouldn't fit in their pocket. Like, no internet, you know, like, because there's so much research on, like, how it's, like, affecting people's ability to focus. So, like, this interview, to me, was so amazing, and we are buying all of her books for, sorry, Meredith and Kyle, you're getting them all.

Brad Crowell 2:39  

True, yeah, but actually, we had a chance to meet Gail in real life last year when we were in England, and it was so interesting. I was just chatting with her on the side of class, and the conversation was so like, she was so inspiring in the five minutes that we were talking that I was like, holy cow, you need to be a guest on Lesley's pod.

Lesley Logan 3:02  

Gail, I don't know if you believe in past life, but in a past life, I feel like we were family.

Brad Crowell 3:07  

Yeah, seriously. Well, I'm really, really glad that we were able to have Gail on, and I love that the very first thing that she said is, I don't think I fit the Be It mold, you know, and you two agreed that this would be inspiring the parents, for the kids, so that the kids can be it. 

Lesley Logan 3:25  

I well, that's just it. I mean being it till you see it. 

Brad Crowell 3:28  

I disagree with her in that she did break the Be It mold, but you know, I love the conversation. 

Lesley Logan 3:33  

You don't think she broke them all? 

Brad Crowell 3:34  

No, I think she was being it till she saw it all day, every day. You know like she was very innovative in her career. Fifty years as a teacher, y'all.

Lesley Logan 3:42  

Especially as she was talking about how she, like, got into what she's doing, it's a be it till you see it kind of a story. So Gail, so sorry you didn't. But also sorry, honey, didn't hate to break it to you. But also, I can't just have people who just tell me stories about themselves all day. We are four and a half. I would have five, almost five years in on this pod. Like crazy. I want to be entertained as well. I want to learn something, and sometimes it's bringing in experts who help us get to where we're going. You can't just be inspired all the time. You have to have information that you can integrate. So I really felt like that's what she did. But anyways, before we keep going and just complimenting Gail Hugman. 

Lesley Logan 4:19  

Today is March 26th 2026 and it's wear a hat day. 

Brad Crowell 4:24  

Wear a Hat Day. 

Lesley Logan 4:26  

We celebrate Wear a Hat Day on March 26th is a fun and fabulous way to raise awareness for brain tumor research and raise funds while we're at it. The holiday was created as a way to get our heads and our hats together to advance research and find a cure for brain tumor so you don't need to have it affected to make a difference. We've got some ideas to get you ahead to this wear hat day. Do they? Did they give us any ideas? 

Brad Crowell 4:49  

No. 

Lesley Logan 4:49  

They didn't give us anything. No links. There's not a charity on this not further down. Okay, before we just start talking about a charity we have not researched, I highly recommend you Google in your area what local charities are doing with brain tumor research or state charities that are doing it because.

Brad Crowell 5:08  

Hold on, I'm going to read you more. Occurring in around 250,000 people global each year, we're still a long way to go in the study of brain tumors, but thankfully, due to science advances, scientific advances in the fields of chemotherapy and radiation, the survival rate is higher than ever before. Once, brain tumors meant the end of the unfortunate individuals who were who developed them. It wasn't until 1879 that a Scottish surgeon became the first person to successfully remove a brain tumor. His patient, young woman, fully recovered, and the tie was turned in the fight against the illness. So Wear a Hat Day is about brain tumors.

Lesley Logan 5:42  

You just said 1879. 

Brad Crowell 5:45  

1879 

Lesley Logan 5:46  

Was there, so and also, you're not under anesthesia for brain tumors. You are awake. 

Brad Crowell 5:50  

Could you imagine? 

Lesley Logan 5:51  

Home girl was like, I'm gonna die. So you may as well open up my head. I trust you. They didn't even have I was but did we have pasteurization yet? Like, Oh my god. Like. 

Brad Crowell 6:02  

I have no idea. 

Lesley Logan 6:02  

Oh my god, definitely don't like brain tumors, but I am a little brave ass woman. Way to fucking go.

Brad Crowell 6:08  

So the scientific process that was developed though the following years meant a speedy advancement for understanding and treatment of the condition. The discovery of X rays meant that it became possible to locate tumors in the brain accurately through scanning, probably, instead of just cutting their head open, this has continued to be the best way to identify brain tumors ever since, and in the 70s, the development of computed tomography, or CT scanning, allowed physicians to see a clear image of the brain for the very first time. So it's only been 50 years that we've been able to actually see a vision like a full scan of the brain. But however, despite these significant advances in the last 150 years, there still is no fail safe cure for brain tumors. As a result, we get together on Wear a Hat Day to raise money and awareness for brain tumor research. Typically used as a form of protection from external elements. Hats are worn as a symbol of internal protection on this day as well. By talking more about this condition, we help each other to spot symptoms early on. By raising funds, we help support a scientist who are working on a cure.

Lesley Logan 7:11  

So we don't have any they didn't give us any charity just so, so go look one up. Okay, so go look one up. Here's the deal. There's someone in your life who has one. I have. My grandmother died of a brain tumor. 

Brad Crowell 7:21  

She did. 

Lesley Logan 7:22  

It's not genetic, so don't freak out when you hear that I have another family with a brain tumor. 

Brad Crowell 7:25  

My grandmother almost died of a brain tumor. They were able to successfully remove it. And literally, it was as if she got 10 years younger during her recovery. It's crazy. 

Lesley Logan 7:35  

Oh, my God. Oh, it was amazing. But my grandmother had one, and it was quite fast by the time we knew about it. And then my cousin, he's actually had brain tumors for almost 20 years. Maybe, I think we're at 20 years. They've done because of experiments and charities and and people raising money for research. He's actually been able to benefit from these experimental surgeries and and like ways of treating it, to shrink them. And so I just want to say, like, if you are looking for a cause, and this touches you because you know someone, you've heard about it, this is if we all have a cause. Just imagine, like, how many people get helped? So I think there's a lot of pressure on picking, like, I've helped everybody. No, you can just help one. But in any way there's, it touches all of us, and it's there's not always a rhyme or reason. So anyways, that's why we're wearing hats right now. 

Brad Crowell 8:22  

That is why we're wearing hats right now. 

Lesley Logan 8:23  

If you're watching on YouTube, if you're listening, we're wearing hats right now. Okay, Brad is wearing a podcast hat. 

Brad Crowell 8:29  

I am. 

Lesley Logan 8:30  

Last week we were in Poland, and I forgot that the 26th also we're, we'll be in Bruges. Oh, my God, it's gonna be so much fun. And, then. 

Brad Crowell 8:39  

Yeah, we're probably in Amsterdam right now. That would be my guess. So maybe we're pulling into Bruges early. A night early. Yeah, possibly. 

Lesley Logan 8:47  

It's gonna be so much fun with Karen Frischmann. It's a great time. And then we'll actually spend the after Bruges is over. We're actually about nine days in France. Then we're gonna pop on the train to London and you can check out and see if there's any tickets left at xxll.co/potlondon, super excited about that. I know that their Fridays and Saturdays are sold out, but there's some spots on Sunday, it's really worth going to. And by the way, we said in the last weekend, not sure we'll be back to Europe, guys, just got other places we got to see, too. Spring Training is a thing that anyone can join, and you'll be on plane two. You can actually join yeah, May. 

Brad Crowell 9:22  

So after POT London. 

Lesley Logan 9:24  

May 12th through the 17th, you can join from the comfort of your own Pilates space, wherever that is, all levels are welcome. Yes, the theme is about getting overhead. But we actually have people who will teachers on our team who do not do overhead exercises. We have a teacher on our team who are going to show you how, if you have, if you're in a larger body, booty abundance, chest abundance, like best ways to get overhead. And then we'll have hyper mobile teachers showing how you get overhead. And then we'll just be getting overhead, and you will have the tools you need to do the best thing for you. And that's the goal of spring training. So opc.me/events.

Brad Crowell 9:58  

Yeah, come join us. Before we get into it, though, with Gail, we had a question, so this is a bit of a long one. So bear with me here. Kendra @KennySwan on Instagram asks, Hey, Lesley, I watched your YouTube video on teaching contemporary on classical equipment. I'm a stat instructor. I've loved classical equipment, especially the Reformer. I would love to have classical equipment in my studio, but I've had some backlash from classical instructors that I'm quote, unquote not qualified to teach on classical equipment, so fuck the Pilates Blaze is what I would say. I don't think that's so crazy, though, sorry, I don't think that's so crazy though, any well trained instructor should be able to adjust for the equipment that they're using. I know there's some exercises that can't be done, not that many, really, though, right, like between the classical and contemporary. My question is, in your expert opinion, is it acceptable for a contemporary teacher to teach on classical equipment?

Lesley Logan 10:51  

Oh, my God, I. 

Brad Crowell 10:52  

What the fuck. 

Lesley Logan 10:53  

The fuck. First of all, just so you know, I hired many a contemporary trained teacher when I worked for Equinox. And guess what the equipment is? Classical. If you had to be able to manage it, don't, don't break it, but. 

Brad Crowell 11:06  

I am so sad that that you've had classical instructors giving you a hard time, for even wanting to buy the equipment, they can just take a long fucking walk. That is so ridiculous.

Lesley Logan 11:17  

I know if you're a classical instructor who like, is like, can't believe this is how I'm answering. I we have to have a talk about the cult that you're in. I'm just gonna say it right now. I know that's not how you're supposed to help people out of a cult, but like, I teach on contemporary equipment all the time. Like, that's what I teach. I'm on a Pop Up Tour. You know what my classical instructor told me in my first training? She said, You need to make sure that you take the time to understand how to work on any piece of equipment you're at, because when you teach classically on different pieces of equipment, it will change the exercise. But you can't be limited to the equipment the studio has. So if you want to be a great instructor, you got to figure it out. And so every studio I ever went to, I would get on the equipment, I would make sure, I would figure what springs felt the same way. How do I set the ropes up so they feel the same way? I am so proud that I know how to do that, and no contemporary instructor says, Oh, she can't come in here. She doesn't know how to use these risers. She only uses the ropes on the bottom level. No one says that to me. So how dare these classical people say that? It grosses me out. So, just so, you know, anyone can buy equipment, just so we're clear, you don't have to be a trained person. Do I wish that people who call themselves teachers went through proper trainings? Fuck yeah, I do. I wish there was some sort of regulation making sure that, because there's a lot of people calling things polite that are not polite, like that's kind of where that comes from, that does not come from this. You're a trained person on how to teach. So here's the deal, Kendra, you've done the thing how to learn how to teach Pilates, right? Your first training taught you how to teach. Plus, it doesn't actually matter to me what it is. You can buy classical equipment. You can absolutely teach what you can translate over on the classical equipment. I don't think that's wrong. Sometimes you might need those tools in your tool belt for a client. And then you can, through my YouTube videos, through a lot of people's YouTube videos, teach yourself classical I do think you should read classical educated books. Not all of them are good. So here's a couple. We have a YouTube video that I'll go into, deeper books that I like about Pilates, and they're all, so the Caged Lion John Steel, Contrology Handbook by Sandy Shimoda, Get to Know Joe Pilates with Cathy Strack, incredible books that you should read that will help educate you about the why behind classical. Because I, what I don't like is when people just like watch a classical video, teach it in the order, but not really understand the why behind the what. Because that's why you want to change some things. So I do think if I was to teach contemporary I'd want to know the why behind the what, right. So I think that. But do I.

Brad Crowell 13:42  

That YouTube video, by the way, is called, What are the Best Pilates Books from Lesley Logan on Online Pilates Classes?

Lesley Logan 13:49  

So I I'm sorry, like anyone telling I don't care what school you're at. 

Brad Crowell 13:54  

I don't think, I don't think those classical teachers are qualified to teach on classical equipment. That's what I have to say.

Lesley Logan 14:00  

I mean, like these, I bet you can, I bet you, Kendra, if you ask those people if I'm a classical teacher, those same people would say no, because the only people who talk like that are people who think, because who train me that I'm not classical. So, like, there's this weird group of people. So what you just met is you just saw big red flag run away from these people. These are not my people. So in the Pilates world, everyone's got to find their people, and I might not be the people for you. What I do have to offer if you want to invest in like an actual I would call, this is where, for teachers, I would call, you're looking for a bridge or a mentorship. If you've already done a comprehensive training, I think it's a little weird to go do a comprehensive training in the other style, where you're with people who've never taught before. Because one, they're going to be like, oh my God, this person is like, knows what they're doing, and you're going to be like, these, I'm coaching these people more than I'm getting helped. I like a mentorship program where it's, it is people who've all been taught but now you want to dive deeper into a study of Pilates. I have one. It's called eLevate. It's more than half fill for next year. It's lesleylogan.co/elevate, but you don't have to pick mine. There are other ones out there. Karen Frischmann is a dear friend of mine who has one she has hers like 18 months you just you're looking for a classical Pilates mentorship but you don't even need to do that to go buy the classical equipment and start doing classical work. You can have an OPC membership and learn a bunch of stuff. Everyone's following the order. Everyone's doing things based on Joe's intentions and using variations as needed. So you're good, Kendra, in my book, you're good. Those people can suck it. You know, in the words of pumps from my favorite podcast, they can fuck off.

Brad Crowell 15:41  

Well, if you have a question, just text us at 310-905-5534, or if you're international, feel free to submit a question at beitpod.com/questions, and also leave us a win.

Lesley Logan 15:54  

If you want me to get angry for you clearly, I will.

Brad Crowell 15:58  

Yeah. You want Lesley to tell someone to fuck off. 

Brad Crowell 16:00  

All right, stick around. We'll be right back. We'll get a dig into this conversation.

Lesley Logan 16:05  

Hold on. 

Brad Crowell 16:05  

All right. What? 

Lesley Logan 16:06  

That co host, also, I've said it on the podcast before, but she did it again today, when I was listening twice, she says, in 2000 and 2026.

Brad Crowell 16:17  

2000 and 2026 yeah, that's so funny.

Lesley Logan 16:20  

I die every time. Like, she is making it worse. I like, love it. I'm like, what if that's how he said it? Oh, it's January, 2000 and 2026. Okay, now we're on a break. 

Brad Crowell 16:31  

All right, we'll be right back.

Brad Crowell 16:33  

Okay, welcome back. Let's talk about Gail Hugman. Gail has been teaching for over 50 years, y'all, 50 years she's been teaching. She works with children and parents to help them flourish together. After spending decades in London schools, she shifted it into private practice to focus on motivation and self-development, helping children build self-control, confidence and independence, and helping parents rethink how they guide and support their crazy kids.

Lesley Logan 17:06  

Well, I mean, I just really am obsessed with this because, like, I remember listening to Seth Godin say that, like, parents roles after kids are home from school is not to help them, like, really do homework. It's to help them learn how to be analytical. Because if they could be analytical, then they can probably, this is before, AI guys, this is like, I don't know, I think there's like, 2015 when I heard him say this, he says, then they're they're irreplaceable, right? Like, if they can be analytical, and then I remember who's the host of Survivor? Jeff? Is it Jeff? Feels like a Jeff. Anyways, he he. 

Brad Crowell 17:45  

Jeff Probst. 

Lesley Logan 17:45  

Yes, him. He was talking about raising kids, and he said, you know, my daughter was talking about how she wants to be a large animal vet and she wants to be a tennis photographer, pro tennis photographer. 

Brad Crowell 17:58  

These things go hand in hand. 

Lesley Logan 18:00  

Correct. Exactly. That's exactly what his thought is. But you can't react, because then you can, like, affect them. So he just so his job is not to be like, oh, you can't do you have to pick one. That's what the world would do. He said, my job as her parent is to challenge her to tell me how she's gonna do that. So I said, Oh, that's interesting. How are you going to learn both those skills and do that? Do you think? What do you think? And she goes, oh, there's these two schools here that have really high performing tennis teams, photography as a degree and large animal vet. And so I can actually go to this school on a scholarship and get these two degrees, and then, because tennis is seasonal, I'll be a seasonal photographer when I'm not in seasonal work at this place over here in the large animal vet thing, like, she had it all figured out. 

Brad Crowell 18:48  

Holy cow. 

Lesley Logan 18:48  

So had he said, You have to pick one. 

Brad Crowell 18:51  

Right. 

Lesley Logan 18:52  

It would have just killed the re she did research. She figured out a plan. And look, whether or not I haven't looked, and see what Jeff Probst's daughter is doing. Because, like, you know, there's enough time that she might be able to figure this out, but that's not the job, right? And so that goes into what Gail's talking about here that I love. She said, I mean, you'll see how it fits in. When we talk about listening to children, we don't talk about the process. I will say, are you listening? And what they're thinking is, I'm hearing you. So, like, I've even done this. Like, are you listening? I'm like, I heard words. 

Brad Crowell 19:21  

Right. Yeah, totally listening. Didn't process any single bit of it but. 

Lesley Logan 19:26  

Anything. She said that, you know, even as adults, we are taught listening skills like, we're like, we'll go to events, schools, trainings, and they'll like, teach you how to like, process the thing that you're about to do. But we just expect children to know how to listen and like, what to pay attention to? Remember in Schitt's Creek when, like, Alexis, like, went back to school and then she highlighted the whole page. And they're like, Oh, you didn't highlight this. She's like, Oh, okay, like she was highlighting, like, what she was reading, like she wasn't taught, like, when do you put the highlighter on the page? Like, what's the point of highlighting? Right? And so it's funny, but like, it goes to this. And, like, I think this is where, like, as people with younger people in our lives, we don't have children, we're, like, when our nieces and nephews are around us, I'm trying to be really conscious of, like, Am I answering the question for them, or I'm giving them? Am I? Am I giving them ample time to, kind of like, process what what's happening and then tell me back what's going on. And that does take time. I just want to know. I just want to know I understand that takes so much time. I just wanted to tell them what to do. But I think you might have people who listen when they're older.

Brad Crowell 20:32  

Well, I found it interesting that she was talking about the process, because for me, I found she started talking about process in the same way that I've always talked about the why, you know, and when, like, I don't have children, but we run a company with people in it, and I've always found that when, especially when there's something that someone does not want to do, if I'm able to clearly convey why it always goes over better with them still grudgingly doing the thing, than if I'm just, like, just because I fucking said so do it? No, that doesn't work, right? I mean, they, you know, they might still do it and they might also quit, but, but like when people understand the why behind the what, now all of a sudden they're like, Oh, that makes sense. I get it. Okay, yeah.

Lesley Logan 21:27  

I completely agree. I think. Like, sometimes even just when we tell people like, oh, you know, like, it's really simple, you have too many clients, we need to raise your rates, and they're like, so scared, and it's like, okay, hold on. Let me paint the picture of why this is, how this is going to help? Like, I do think that you're right there. And I remember when you were training with Adrian Kohler, who's been on the pod, and you were frustrated, just even within a with one of the people who's not on our team anymore, but we'd hired for a specific project, and you were frustrated. And he taught you to even ask, like, Okay, after you tell them what you want them to do, ask them what it is that they're going, what are their action steps going to be? Because that helps you understand. Did they hear or listen? Did they process it? Did they hear what you said to do? You know, like, it's really easy for us to, like, say the right words, and then they interpret it incorrectly, just based on, like, It's the game of telephone, like, where people are, what words stuck out to them? What words triggered them?

Brad Crowell 22:22  

Yeah, Adrian was episode 262, by the way. 

Lesley Logan 22:25  

That far back? 

Brad Crowell 22:26  

I know.

Lesley Logan 22:28  

Did the year did like there was like two was there one year that was like two years long.

Brad Crowell 22:32  

But I agree, you know, like when we are willing to explain the process that suddenly really can be the catalyst that shifts behavior in a child, you know, or in a teammate. 

Lesley Logan 22:45  

I'm just gonna say I don't think that I'm in a rebel at heart. That's not how I think I was born as a child, like I'm quite the perfectionist, overachiever. But anytime I heard because I said so, or because I told you to, I can go back to, like, 17 memories in my brain of me in my head, going. 

Brad Crowell 23:06  

Yeah, exactly. 

Lesley Logan 23:08  

And then doing enough to not get yelled at for doing not doing it the right way. Like, like you, you catch more flies with honey, but you also create people who you want to be around, if you kind of give them the chance to be in the process, learn the process.

Brad Crowell 23:24  

Yeah, and that, that actually feeds exactly into what I wanted to talk about, which was she told the story about this four year old who, when she was like, when Gail was putting the pencils away, the four year old was like, me, I want to do it. I want to I want to do it right. And she said something really intriguing. She said, kids want responsibility. They are intuitively born to grow. They are born to develop. They want more. They want to be part of the pack, a society. They see what adults are doing, and they're like, Well, I want to do that too. You know, how many of us remember thinking back to when we were a child and being like, I can't wait till I'm an adult. Why? Because I can make my own decisions, or I can do my own thing, or whatever the thing was, you know, and, and so, so, so interestingly, you know, actually, one thing that I found really interesting about Gail that was not explicitly said, is, obviously she is a patient person. Patience, right? And she's willing. She understands the she understands the kid. She understands what they're doing, why they're doing it, and she also understands when they're processing or not processing, the the information that they're receiving. She told another story about asking someone nine times to repeat back to her what she just told them to do right nine times. That takes so much patience to not get frustrated.

Lesley Logan 24:47  

I think that goes back to it doesn't matter what the goal is. If you're really clear on the goal, it allows you to to have I don't have patience inherently.

Brad Crowell 25:00  

For her, the goal was not for the kid to go do the thing she asked him to do. The goal was for the kid to learn how to listen and process what she what they were listening.

Lesley Logan 25:10  

But I wanted to say because we, I know we have some Pilates instructors who are listening, and they, they get frustrated when their clients don't remember the names of the exercises, or they're how to do things. And I'm a person who believes in like, radical responsibility. My clients are going to learn their exercises, and they're capable of it. I work out at gyms at a hotel. These are people on vacation who manage to come into a gym and figure out how to do something in there, which means they someone taught it and they figured how to do it. So I am willing to be patient enough to not over correct someone, or to do it for them instead, to go, okay, the 100 and like, you know, this one, it's, it's this. And like, Oh, it's this, okay, like, giving them the the time, the space. And everyone's like, like, I don't have my job is to entertain them. It's to help them know how to move their own body. And so it's really funny, because I have these clients who told my dad year, this is back when I was first teaching she is the most patient woman. And my dad was like, my daughter is patient, and I will say, loves, I am not patient. I am one of the most impatient people when it comes to the things I want, how I want things to go, but when it comes to someone else's process, I am very patient, because I know the end result is they'll have radical responsibility, autonomy over their body. They'll understand how to move it. I'm not going to be there when they trip or have to catch or grab something. I might be like, oh, right, arm up reach. I won't be there. So I think that I have no idea. I think actually, I haven't met Kate Gayle and been spent some time with her, there is a lot of patience to her. But also, maybe not, maybe she's just really clear on when I'm with this child, the goal is to give them time to process.

Brad Crowell 26:57  

Yeah, and for her, it sounds like like listening to her stories, you know, she is intentional about giving people the tools, like you were just talking about the tools to develop as a child, to grow into the adult that joins the the pack, right, the society, right? And if you when you are empowering them with the tools, then they can make decisions that are logical and all those kinds of things, instead of just be like, I guess, like, like, think about it. If you're just, like, do it. Why? Because I said, So, what are you doing? You're actually, you're actually molding a human to always be told what to do. 

Lesley Logan 27:38  

Right. And guess what? They won't need those people in the future, because that's what robots will do. They could be programmed. People are not people will be rebellious. And I, I know y'all have heard me say this, I'm a little worried about who the fuck is going to take care of me, because their mom won't be around to tell them what to do, and I might need someone to take care of me because I didn't have children. So just saying.

Brad Crowell 27:59  

Well, well on that note, stick around. 

Lesley Logan 28:03  

In case you need a motivation to make your child not an asshole, Lesley, your podcast host, is a little worried about her, like, end of life care, okay?

Brad Crowell 28:14  

All right, we'll be right back. We're gonna take it to those Be It Action Items that we had with Gail. So stick around. 

Brad Crowell 28:21  

Welcome back. All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Gail Hugman? She said straight up, you cannot control children. You cannot control them. You have to teach them how to control themselves.

Lesley Logan 28:40  

I I have chills, and I love this so much, I feel like that has to be very freeing, doesn't you think it's freeing?

Brad Crowell 28:47  

Oh my gosh, so freeing. Like I freeing is a good word for it, but, but I, but I also think that it's, I guess freeing is the right word, because when people are feel like they have they will lose control. And what does it do for you as the person trying to have control? You get angry, freaked out, like, like.

Lesley Logan 29:06  

You're embarrassed. Yeah, all these things, so embarrassed, this, this, this child is like, like, doing the they're normally really good, like, all the things. 

Brad Crowell 29:14  

Which are forms of narcissism, by the way. But basically it's, it's what you are when you're teaching them to control themselves, you know now it's not your responsibility if they control themselves in that way. You've taught them how to do the thing, and if they're not doing it, then that's some there's another. There's another thing going on there, because they know how to control themselves.

Lesley Logan 29:35  

Oh my gosh, you guys, if you did not listen to the episode, you have to listen to it, because it was very there was a whole point about the homework, the homework that made me like, I just was like, Oh, my God, I wish. I wish this was something my parents knew. I wish. I think my mom, who's a school teacher, would love this like my mom, I know would, because she, like, she took the homework away from kids because the parents were doing it. But like, this whole thing about, like, if the kid doesn't do the homework, at the time the teacher said it should take then instead of doing it for them or fighting with them, you take it away. The homework is done. It was supposed to take 30 minutes. It it's been 30 minutes, and I will go to school with you tomorrow, while you explain why it you couldn't get it done 30 minutes. Because then they have to have they have to actually think about why did it, oh, I was playing a video game. Well, now they have to admit that, or Oh, I didn't understand the lesson. Okay, well, then the teacher needs to know, because the teacher should make sure you can understand the lesson before you leave.

Brad Crowell 30:27  

Because they're teaching you how to do the lesson, not doing the lesson for you, like it's this is a perfect parallel. The teacher would never do your homework for you. The teacher is going to do teach you how to do the homework. So why do we feel like we are supposed to control children. No, we're supposed to teach them how to control themselves. 

Lesley Logan 30:44  

Right. For example, I tell eLevate members, like the homework for eLevate is not mandatory. If you do it it helps me understand the learning style you are. It also helps me understand what you understood from the weekend I just taught you, which gives me feedback that I could never get from a survey, in understanding that I know what I said that weekend, but what did you hear? Right? Like, what did you take in? What did you understand? And this past homework thing, someone filled the form in a way that I've never seen before. And I was just like, hey, I think that, like, you might have misunderstood what's going on. Here's what I was expecting. She redid it, and then she explained why she understood the way she did. Crazy reason why. But it was like, you know, it was really simple for us to just do an example, and then people would know how to do it, and then, so, like, it also the teacher will learn I wasn't good. I didn't give good enough instruction. So I just, I love that. Go listen. The whole thing is so good. But it goes back to what you were saying. 

Brad Crowell 31:37  

Yeah. And the two of you then got into a conversation about saying, you know, don't do this, or no, or all those kinds of things. And I'm not saying that you should never say no, but your example was that Joe Pilates wouldn't tell you what not to do. He would tell you what to do, right? So how should you control yourself in public? Not control yourself.

Lesley Logan 31:59  

Well also, like we just watched Crazy Stupid Love, because I love that movie so much. And Joe would also choose exercises that you needed to teach you teach your body what it was not capable of doing yet. And in Crazy, Stupid Love, Ryan Gosling, like Miyagi's, you know, Steve Carell, and I think that, like, that's all, like, the modeling of it is, like, you know, is really important. So there's so much, yeah, go listen to it.

Brad Crowell 32:27  

So she concluded this thought by saying, so instead of me trying to control them, the kids, I'll tell them the consequences of what they're doing. And this was also really interesting to me, she said, she said, look, talking to a child, if you continue to do this, I will get upset. Is it okay if I get upset? Because that is what is going to happen. And so the kid now has the choice to continue down this path, which they now know what it will bring or not, right? And she often, she said often, they'd be like, No, I don't want you to get upset. Okay, great, then please stop doing this thing, right? Fascinating. Again, patience. 

Lesley Logan 33:11  

Like, it's like, I think of like, parents are like, don't eat that. You'll ruin your dinner. The kid doesn't care if the dinner is ruined, you know, like, they don't care. They want the thing. So, like, you have to come up with, like, Okay, if you eat that, it's gonna really make me sad, because I spent hours on making this dinner for you. That's maybe manipulation. Sorry, Gail, but like, I want to have dinner with you. It's important that I have quality time with you. I want you to enjoy the dinner that I made. Like, if you eat that, and then is it okay if I'm disappointed that you didn't enjoy the dinner I made. Okay, like there's, I'm sure Gail's books are going to be more articulate than I am. So go get them all.

Brad Crowell 33:46  

Well, that said, what about you? What Be It Action Items did you love from your convo?

Lesley Logan 33:50  

How to choose? Okay, when we are born, that's what Gail says. When we're born, we have something called executive function skills. Gail said we need, we all need these skills for learning and for living, but in school and often at home, we expect children to have them instead of teaching them. So for Gai.,

Brad Crowell 34:06  

So that we expect the kids to have the executive function skills instead of teaching them executive function skills.

Lesley Logan 34:11  

Yeah, so she said. Gail said, the first one we have to teach is self-control, then the next one is focus and attention and then organization. So if parents would focus on teaching these skills, children would do better. And I think, I know that sounds it's easy, clearly, in order, yeah, it's, it's first control, then you can teach focus, and then you can teach organization. And I think, like, what's so cool about that? It's one it gives you, it gives you a map, start with self-control, and then focus and attention, but and then organization. But I think it's instead of like, I gotta teach them how to like do their homework. It's like, you got to teach them self-control so that they can sit down to do the homework. Then you can teach them focus and attention so they can do the homework. And then organization so they know what time to do the homework. When can they figure this what is the best time for them? How do they manage their day? These are important things. I I am really sad for people who like, don't know how to like, put their schedule together. That's sad, you know, because it's clearly frustrating them. We have adults that we work with who, like, have a really hard time figuring out how to organize the things that they're doing or learning, and it's like, oh, they just weren't taught. And to learn that an older age is, like, really difficult.

Brad Crowell 35:33  

So anyways, yeah, well, just a lovely again, a lovely conversation, and I'm so excited that we were able to have Gail join the pod.

Lesley Logan 35:42  

If you did all this when you were a parent, I hope you pat yourself on the fucking back like, I hope you go this was the best episode for helping me celebrate how amazing I was as a parent, because I do think that most parents do not give themselves enough credit either. So I'm not here to, like, harp on like you're doing a bad job, but like. 

Brad Crowell 36:00  

It did make me wonder if my parents had a method to the madness. Like, you know, they're pretty analytical. Maybe they were intentional about some of this stuff, but if they did, I'd never had a conversation with them about it as an adult. But, you know, it's intriguing. It's interesting.

Lesley Logan 36:14  

I mean, they might have because they're analytical. I think, like, there is something a little different about those of us who are raised to, like, go outside and play till the lights turn off. And there's definitely something about, like, there's that real people like, why are you guys drinking from hoses? Like, it's like, because that's we were had to play outside. What are you talking about? Of course, we drink from a hose, you know, like, like, but I like the fact that people don't realize that like, I think that there was something about the plane outside that definitely created a lot of this executive function, because, like, you have to negotiate with other children, of like, who's in charge, who's playing now it's my turn, like,

Brad Crowell 36:49  

Danger crossing roads by yourself. 

Lesley Logan 36:52  

Yeah, I do I do think that there's a difference now than there was in like, oh, my God. We're 43 so, you know, like, I do, I do see a difference. And I just what I what I really wanted is for people who have younger children, wanting to empower you about what to stress about and what not to stress about. Like, Gail said it you shouldn't stress it if the homework gets done, like, that's not a thing, like, this is where they're gonna okay, let's go figure out why it didn't get done. Let's help you figure that out. And then if you did this, then pat yourself on the back. And if you didn't. 

Brad Crowell 37:24  

We still love you. 

Lesley Logan 37:24  

We love you, and they're taking care of you and not me. So. I'm kidding. I'm Lesley Logan. I love you guys so much. I'm Lesley. Go buy her books. Gail Hugman has a ton of books. 

Brad Crowell 37:39  

Yeah. She had a couple of websites. We're gonna put those in to the show notes, because I can't remember off the top of my head, but actually, I'm just gonna look Gail Hugman her oh yeah, lessonalive.com, lessonalive.com, she's also on Instagram.

Lesley Logan 37:54  

(inaudible) how she did this stuff are enjoyable to listen to. She also has an accent, so my American friends, I know you'll love it.

Brad Crowell 38:00  

Yeah. And you can find her books at the endlessbookcase.com. 

Lesley Logan 38:02  

Oh, perfect. 

Brad Crowell 38:04  

Yeah, but I'm sure, I'm sure they're also on her lessonalive.

Lesley Logan 38:06  

So we're gonna order, to the Crowells. You are getting some books. We love you so much. All right, I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 38:14  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 38:15  

Thank you so much for listening. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it. Share with a friend who's struggling with their kids right now. Hopefully this helps them and Gail, thanks for being here. You didn't break the mold. Sorry, babe, but you're still a badass in our eyes. Have an amazing day.

Brad Crowell 38:28  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 38:30  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 39:12  

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Lesley Logan 39:17  

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Brad Crowell 39:22  

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Lesley Logan 39:29  

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Brad Crowell 39:32  

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In this eye-opening episode, Lesley Logan sits down with Gail Hugman, an educator with 50 years of experience, to relieve the immense pressure modern parents place on themselves. If you've ever felt like your child's success is a direct reflection of your daily micromanaging, Gail’s expert insight offers a massive exhale. She explains how to step back from cultural expectations, stop doing everything for your kids, and allow their innate brilliance to surface. This conversation offers grounded shifts that reduce conflict and help children grow into capable, confident adults.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• The "brick walk" exercise that teaches children how to concentrate.
• Why we must talk to children about the actual "process" of listening.
• Handling the "Why should I?" question instead of answering "because I said so."
• The difference between a child's natural life and world life.
• Why executive skills like self control must be taught.

Episode References/Links:

• Gail Hugman's Website - https://www.lessonsalive.com
• Gail Hugman's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsalive_gail_hugman
• Gail Hugman's Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/LessonsAlive
• Making the Pennies Drop by Gail Hugman - https://a.co/d/0gjopl85
• 100 Things to Learn Before You're 10 by Gail Hugman - https://a.co/d/058Bxn24
• A Short and Simple Book for the Why's by Gail Hugman - https://a.co/d/064U6RRY
• Little Hum by Gail Hugman - https://a.co/d/0f5DhWwg

Guest Bio:

Gail Hugman is a distinguished educator and author with 50 years of experience dedicated to helping children—and their parents—thrive by mastering the internal skills that traditional schooling often overlooks. While many focus solely on academic grades, Gail’s work targets the root of a child’s success: motivation, mindset, and the "how-to" of learning. Through her unique methodology, she provides children with the essential tools to become self-motivated, focused, and confident individuals who take pride in their own achievements. 

Drawing on her deep passion for human development and the neuroscience of learning, Gail’s approach centers on teaching executive function skills such as concentration, listening, and self-control. She recognizes that in a fast-paced world, neither schools nor overwhelmed parents always have the specialized resources to instill these foundational life skills. Gail bridges this gap, transforming the family dynamic by helping children become independent and capable.

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Episode Transcript:

Gail Hugman 0:23  

Thing is, I say to parents, sometimes, this child came to join your life, not to take it over. 

Lesley Logan 0:24  

That's so good. 

Gail Hugman 0:11  

Teach them what they need to know to be as independent as they can be at every single stage, because that's what a little human being craves.

Lesley Logan 0:25  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 1:08  

Be It babe, okay, so, today's episode, if you don't have children, you might be like, this isn't for me. I hope you listen either, because it might help you make sense of your childhood. It might help you support your friends who are parents. If you've already parented, you might think it like I hope you listen, because I have a parenting expert. Well, if not parenting expert, I would call her a education expert of children, and her be it action item for every single one of us to support children is amazing and wonderful and simple and hard and complicated and necessary and doable, and I'm really excited about it, because, ladies, I've been I've been trying to figure out how to help you prioritize yourself first. And for many of you, there is the love and responsibility of your children that are keeping you from that, from prioritizing yourself first, from being it till you see it, from doing the Pilates you say you want to do. And my hope was that Gayle hugman, our guest today, could give you some tools, some support, some insight into the role that you have. And hopefully that allows you to not just be the parent you want to be, but be the human you want to be in this world. And while I don't have kids, I hope I don't offend anyone in my in my inquiries and my observations and my wonders. But I also truly believe in every single one of you who are parents and so grateful when I'm older, someone's child does need to help take care of me. So there's a weird thing where I would like someone's child to take care of me because I don't have any of my own but also I want you to have the life you so dreamed up and wanted for yourself and for them, and so I hope this episode really supports you in that, and I'd love to hear your takeaways. Here is Gail Hugman. 

Lesley Logan 2:53  

All right, Be It babe. I'm excited. I've have not ever had a guest like this before. One I got to meet this amazing person in real life, on our mullet tour in Essex area, and she loves Pilates. So you my Pilates lovers, know that this woman loves Pilates too. Been doing it a long time, but I I got to know what she does for a living. I thought, oh my gosh, this is a guest I haven't had. I've had a lot of guests that help my my listeners as women as as perimenopausal women as as perfectionist women, but I haven't had anyone who helps them as parents, you know, who add a lot of pressure to themselves to be whatever the world says I need to be as a parent. So Gail Hugman, will you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?

Gail Hugman 3:38  

I'm Gail Hugman And I have now been teaching for 50 years, and I help children flourish, and I help parents flourish with them. That's my USP.

Lesley Logan 4:00  

50 years. That's a long time. How did you get into that?

Gail Hugman 4:05  

I spent 30 years in London schools, and it used to hurt me to watch potential that I didn't have time to develop and I didn't want to be a principal or a head teacher, because the higher I went, the more paper I saw, the fewer children I saw. And my magic happens with the children. And so I decided to leave, and I asked a young teacher, what is it you find most challenging in teaching? He was just starting. I knew I was just leaving, and he said, immediately, motivation. I can get the children to do what they have to do, but I can't get them to want to do it. And I thought, right, that is what I'm going to do. And the journey has been 20 years long now. I have had the privilege of going into people's homes and working out, initially, an assessment for the children, because, to start with, didn't have a clue what I was going to do. I remember my very first client came along and she said to me, Oh, great, you're leaving teaching. Will you be a minder? My son's minder is leaving the school, and they are thinking of excluding him because he doesn't pay attention and he doesn't this. And I thought, I'm not going from almost headship to being someone's minder. And I said, Absolutely not. I said, but I'll teach him to concentrate. And then I thought, What have I just said?

Lesley Logan 5:58  

The show says, Take messy action, be it till you see it so like that is right there everyone, if you've ever done that, you have done you have been being it till you saw it.

Gail Hugman 6:11  

So and remember, each time I would say to someone, I'm going to teach them that I knew they were going to pay me for this and so I've got to deliver. With that particular child, and I can't say, oh, I had a magic wand, and it happened overnight, but I realized that when we educate children nowadays, it's very two dimensional, and it is almost you give them a screen, or you give them a book, or you talk to them, but you don't do enough practical exercises. And so that very first boy, who was 11, I had a little rim in my garden on the edge of the grass, it was one brick all the way around. It was only small. And I said to him, I want you to walk on that brick edge. And of course, he thought it was very funny, and he did it, but he kept falling and coming off it. And I said, I want you to walk on there with your hands on your head, and when I could see, after a few attempts, that he was actually focused, I said to him, what you're now feeling is called concentration, and that is what you need in school. And I said when you are walking up the driveway to your school, because I knew the school, I want you to say to yourself, I am walking the path of focus and concentration until you get into your classroom, and I asked the school if they would mind keeping him. I told them what I was trying to do, and I would phone him every night after school and check that he had improved. Now, as I say, it wasn't, you know, overnight, but that boy was not excluded from school. He went on to pass his exams. It was, I would say, three or four months before he actually would be more focused and I wasn't in the room. That's what amazed me. 

Lesley Logan 8:35  

That's amazing. 

Gail Hugman 8:36  

So that started my journey of if I can teach children, I couldn't. I didn't, I didn't have a wall to take with me. 

Lesley Logan 8:45  

Yeah, yeah. 

Gail Hugman 8:46  

So I thought, how can I do this in other people's homes? So you get a glass of water, and you fill it as full as you can, preferably, mother's best glass, and you say, I want you to walk from this side of the kitchen to that side of the kitchen without spilling any and then you have the same effect. You are walking the path of focus and concentration what you're now feeling we call concentration, and I have used this exercise, or exercises like it, to teach children about self control, about being focused, about being in that state when they're in school. And I had to write books about it for parents, because I thought every parent needs to know how to do this

Lesley Logan 9:43  

right, because they're getting calls from the school that your kids being disruptive, or your kid and look, we there are neurodivergent children. There's different ways of learning, but being told all these things, and then they're trying to figure it out themselves, and it becomes just yelling and why can't you concentrate in school? But no one's teaching them to concentrate. You know, it's teaching them the feeling.

Gail Hugman 10:03  

And the listening. When you say to a child, listen, I walked into a classroom, and on the wall was a poster about listening, good listening, and it had little pictures like this, cross-legged and I thought, How is a child meant to learn to listen? From that poster added to which industry or commerce spends millions teaching adults to listen? Why? Why? I thought, why don't we teach children to listen? And I remember my books are full of stories. I remember a child at one of the top London schools I was asking to repeat a question, and I said to him, you know, go outside, get your jacket, or get your jacket, go outside and bring something in. And I said, repeat that to me. And this child was nine and a half 10 years old. So he said, put your jacket on and go outside. No, where I want every single word. So I repeated the sentence. I didn't get all emotional about it. I didn't get annoyed. I just repeated the question, so can you say it back to me? So we had another go. Didn't work, so I had another go. And these, these are firsts. So I did it again. Now it took nine attempts. He started to giggle because he realized that he wasn't getting it. And to my horror, his father had been listening outside the room, and when I left, his father said to me, I would never have believed that if I had not heard it with my and I said, when we talk about listening to children, we don't talk about the process. And when we say, are you listening, they think, yes, I'm hearing. And we have to start to talk about process. What is the process that is going on in your head when you're listening? So that's how it started. And then what developed was, how do I get a child to engage in school? You know when a child says, Why should I favorite question of every parent, right? Why should I? 

Lesley Logan 12:46  

Yeah. And then they say, because I said, so. 

Gail Hugman 12:51  

Yeah. I remember a boy doing this to me went just towards the end of teaching. He came into my class as a new boy quite late in the year, and he was having a difficult time, and I said something to him, and he stormed out of the room, and I stormed after him, and I said, come back in that classroom, because I'm responsible for him. And he said, Why should I? And I thought, I said, good question, and I went back into the classroom. As I went, I said, wait there. And I thought, why should he? Why should he? And there are a lot of questions children have in the heat of the moment. Why should he, in that particular instance, I went back outside because I didn't know this boy, and I said, You don't know me, but I am responsible for you while you're here, and the reason you should come back in the classroom is because I need to be sure that you're safe, and I would like a little respect, and I will give you some. You followed me in and it's nobody explained it because I said, I could have said because I said, So, but then it doesn't get you anywhere.

Lesley Logan 14:11  

Yeah, you're correct. You're you're extremely correct. And also, like, it doesn't, it doesn't develop trust. So then anything else you want to teach them. They're like, who told who made this person, the person I have to learn from. My father is a traffic school, like a he, I don't know if you have these in London, but he's a crossing guard, right? So the school let's out, and he's yes, yes, yes. So he's new at it, and he this is, this is his first school year doing it, and they had him at an elementary school, and they switched him to this high school, and the city council person was watching one day, and the principal was there, and they go, oh, like, how's it going? How are the kids treating you? And they're watching the kids, like, fist bump my dad and like, say something nice. And my dad's like, asked him how there's how was the game last week? And they're like, how did you, and it's two weeks, get these kids to, like, respect you. And he was like, I respected them first. Yeah, yeah. And I think, like, that's the hard part, because also it requires patience and a bit of self awareness. Like you had to have the awareness to go, okay, hold on. Let me think about that. But I think, like a lot of people, don't give themselves the time to do that. I think, I think a lot of parents are overwhelmed.

Gail Hugman 15:29  

I'm not surprised. And what came out, I remember sitting with another boy who was a bit why should I ish? And I thought, what can I say to this child? Because I don't know how I have been graced by so many wonderful clients who just handed the children over and said give me a result. Yeah. And I'd sit next to a child and think, What do I say to change the way they're thinking? And on one occasion, I sat with this boy, and I said, You do realize, don't you, that when you're born, you get not one, but two lives that got his attention. And I said, let me explain it this way. And I drew a diagram, and I said, Look, here's zero, and I drew a line, and I put, here's 100 and this is where you're born, at zero, and we all hope we're going to get to 100 or beyond. And I said, but between zero and 100 you have a job to do. Do you know what that job is? And they look at you and it's like, learn? I say your job is to develop to be the very best thing that you can be, the very best human being that you can be. That's what nature wants. I said, unfortunately, you've been born into a world where the environment isn't necessarily all helpful, and so you have two lives. You have an inside life, which I call your natural life, and that is automatic for every single person on the planet. So you start as a child, then you become a nightmare, then you become a young adult, then you become a you know, proper, grown up, and then you become a senior before you go home. And I go through this process with them, I say that is the same. Doesn't matter what color you are, doesn't matter where you live in the world, doesn't matter who your parents are. That is the same for every single child. I suppose your wildlife is completely different to every other person, and you are to look at the world which is full of good things and not good things. And that's why you're given parents at the beginning, because your parents have been here long enough to recognize the not good things, and your job is to grow and develop your natural life by choosing things to do in the world that are going to help you do that. So if you want to be a patient person, you could paint pictures, or you could make pots, or you could learn to be an athlete, or you could do Pilates. It depends what you want to grow in yourself and what you think will help you do that. And I talk to them about school this way, when they say, Why do I have to do algebra?

Lesley Logan 19:05  

You're so good at making a teenage boy's voice.

Gail Hugman 19:11  

And I said, Well, algebra is fantastic because it teaches your brain logic and reasoning. So it's not the algebra you want, it's the logic and reasoning. And so I've learned through all these messy actions what to say to those questions of, why should I? Who cares? So what? These things I think develop, because children are intuitively born to grow, born to develop. They run into all sorts of things in the world that knock them off that path. And I totally believe know you can correct me if you like, but I'm probably going to continue to believe that when we're born, we're born with this massive potential, and providing we don't get stopped by negativity of some kind, we can easily be put back onto that line of development if we're given the right tools to do it. And that's what my job is. Helping them flourish means putting them back. So if they are suffering because there's been a divorce and they don't understand, they don't understand, then I don't talk about the divorce. I talk about look over here for some success, because we are natural born healers. I know you have to work at it, Lesley, I have to work at it. I was in Pilates this morning. I saw Sam, I said, I'm going to tell Lesley I was in Pilates this morning, but that's me healing me, and we are natural healers. So children will recover very quickly if we can put them back on that natural line, so that they are focused on what they are growing in themselves and choosing to do in the world to help them grow, not and the most important thing, I don't want them to change, to be something they think the world wants. 

Lesley Logan 21:37  

Right. Okay, I have a couple questions. One, so assuming, like, everyone can't call you tomorrow, maybe they can, right, like, can parents help them get put back on the natural line? Does it have to be someone other than them? Does that have to be a third party, or can a parent actually do what you did, which is, like, have the thought, like, Okay, how do I have an honest thought with this kid? And, like, put them back on that. How do you do that? And then the other question went out of my head, so it'll come back when you answer.

Gail Hugman 22:17  

I think what parents need to realize is that this person in front of them is the most fantastic, creative, sensitive, intelligent form of life on this planet, and step back and stop your reaction, which is born in you because of the culture that we're in step back and have what I call, sorry dads, it's a mommy moment. It's one of those moments where you talk human to human, because they do have those moments every you know, I told a little boy, I'll never forget this. One of my early lessons in private practice. I told a little boy that the year before he was born, the planet was here, and I drew a circle, and I said it had countries on it, and I drew little shapes. I'm not, not an artist. I drew little shapes. I said it had giraffes on it, and donkeys and butterflies. And I was drawing as I was talking. And I said it had all these wonderful things, trees, and it had 6 billion, however, many 100,000 people on it. Your mum was here, your dad was here. You hadn't been created yet. And then, wee, you arrived, and you changed the world forever. Now you can see it's really busy here, and not everyone is happy. Do you want to make the world better or not? And he's he said to me, I want to make it better. I want to make it better. So I said, Well, you ask your mum how she felt when you were born, because you changed her life forever. You changed your dad's life forever. And they loved it, maybe not straight away, but they loved it. And after I'd had this whole lesson. This was that I went through with this child. I got a phone call later that night from his mother, and she was crying, and she said, I had to call you because my son told me what you said to him, and he said, I want to thank you for having me, Mummy. 

Lesley Logan 23:07  

Oh I'm gonna cry. 

Gail Hugman 23:58  

Thank you for having me. Isn't that amazing? And I when I look at a child, I mean, my first, my very first book, was actually a letter to the head teacher. When I said I was going to retire or resign from teacher, I wanted to go privately. And I got up in the middle of the night, and I wrote this letter. I thought, what is it that's different? Because he asked me, I want to know what you do, and what is it? What is it I do that's different? I teach English, I teach maths, I teach reading, and I come up in the middle of the night, and I thought, it's not what I do, it's how I think. That's what's different. I think that each child, as I said, is highly intelligent without any help. They may not have the language to express it, but they they are so clever, they are so creative. You know, I told the children in the school once, you have to be economical with paper, because we're short of money and I don't want to see any paper wasted. So please don't waste any paper. Carry on with the lesson. At the break, a little boy came to me and he said, Miss, I have got a way that you can get more paper. So I said, Oh, really, how do you do that? He said, what you do? He said, you get a plain piece of paper and you go to the photocopier and you copy it. Now isn't that clever? So I got a plain piece of paper, I took it to the photocopier, and I explained to him why I'd laughed, and he said, Ah, but isn't that that was an eight year old child.

Lesley Logan 26:49  

So one of the things I loved when I met you Gail is like, I I don't have any children, but I am amazed by like my the children that I've been able to have in my life in different ways, like my niece and nephew. I remember, like, the my nephew is, like, two and a half years old, maybe just two, and I was holding him, and he looked at the picture, and he goes, That's my dad. That's Ella. And I said, Who is this? He's like, That's bubba. He pointed himself out, like two years old. And I was like, I have no idea. Maybe that's what two year olds do. But I was impressed and that he could, like, look at a picture. I knew all this. He gets this Christmas gift, he puts it on, he starts performing. I was like, he's amazing, like, that is, like, this kid is just, like, got this creativity in him, right? Like, all these different things. And I taught these 11 year old girls, and they have all these thoughts going on in their head. And I was just like, Oh, my God, this is you are why I'm not gonna have children, but I'm amazed by what you're doing, and it scares the hell out of me, but, like, but I also, I see all this, and you're like, you know, these kids have all these they're so clever, they're born so smart, and then something happens, right? Like, like you said, there could be a negative thing that happens, or divorce or or they go to school, and they're not given that respect or that challenge. They're not taught the focus or taught to listen and it goes and then they become 18 year olds because they just keep getting passed along. And so I wonder, like, is it the mummy moments, or is it, how do parents facilitate this being that already has a lot of it that it needs like, is there.

Lesley Logan 28:21  

It's got everything. It's got everything. 

Lesley Logan 28:25  

I guess how do they not fuck it up Gail? 

Gail Hugman 28:27  

Yeah, right. Mine did. My confidence was gone by the age of 11 because I failed an exam I was expected to pass. And then I met a boy of five years old, who could not sit still, who did not make eye contact, who talked all the time. He was extraordinary, and his parents very intelligent. They had three boys very close together, and they said, We don't know what to do with him, you know, can you help? And they said he was autistic. They said he was this, they said he was that. And I said, Well, I don't think he's autistic. I don't know why I said that. And I said that to them. I don't know why I'm saying that, but I don't think he's autistic, but he is something. And they said, you know, a child doesn't normally like this boy ask for Encyclopedia Britannica to be read to him at bedtime when he's four. That's unusual. And this child I stayed with 18 years until he went to university, because his parents would allow me to try different ways to engage him. And the first one you know, talk about neurodiverse people. Try to control the children you cannot control children. See this right here, that's proof you cannot control that's how I got it. Trying to control them. You have to teach them to control themselves by showing them right and wrong, right being what's good for them. And no, don't do that, because it annoys me. I would say to a child, if you do that, I'm going to get irritated. Is that okay with you? Can you change it? Yeah. So instead of me trying to control them, I'll tell them the consequence of what they're doing, and say that's what's going to happen. Is that okay with you? And it seems, I mean, this is why I wrote the books, because I've been trying to get my message out there for 20 years. I couldn't articulate it at first. I just knew it had to be different.

Lesley Logan 31:04  

Yeah, I love what you're saying, because it's for the Pilates instructors I've taught listening like this is what I say. Joe Pilate never said don't. Never said don't do that, don't, don't put your shoulders in your ears, or don't do that. He never said that. He would tell you what to do, like, he would. 

Gail Hugman 31:18  

Exactly. That's how brains work. Well, that's what my motto for parents is don't, "Don't do." Don't say don't. Do tell them what to do. Somebody said to me, can you tell me how to stop my children trashing the lounge, because that's my special space, and they've got a playroom, but they don't play in there. They play in the lounge, and they keep trashing it. So I said, Have you told them? Have you told them it's your special place? Have you asked them to help you look after it? 

Lesley Logan 31:56  

Yes, this is okay. So I take so, as we all know, and those, in case you missed it, I have no children. So when I tell people about like, creating a schedule that allows them to put themselves first and prioritize themselves, they go, must be easy for you. You don't have children. Okay? I have three companies, you guys. So let's just I'm busy too. Okay, I'm busy too. We all have our own busys, but when one of the pushbacks I get is always from the moms who, by the way, have partners who can participate and don't, and it's so you know, that's a whole different therapist. It's a whole different thing. But this one particular woman said to me, Well, I would love to go on a walk in the morning. I see your walks every morning, and I would love to do that, but there's too much to do to get the kids to school. I said, Oh, how old are your children? And they're 12 and 14. They're 12 and 15. Thank you, Gail. Thank you, Gail. Thank you. It took I was like, okay, thankfully part of this face is Botox. So the reaction was, you know, less. But I was like, I was like, oh, but do they want to do adult things? Like, they want to go to the movies with their friends, they want to take the train, they want to do adult things. And she's like, Yeah. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, do you think that they could get themselves ready for school in the morning? Like, have you like, I'm assuming they are, like, able bodied 12 and 15 year olds. I can't, like, I'm not talking about the ones who have special needs. I'm talking like, able bodied. She's like, yes, I said, Have you asked them, hey, I would like to go for a walk in the morning. What can we do the night before to make sure you get to school on time. Like, have you, like, asked them and guess what the next day, Gail, she went for a walk in the morning.

Gail Hugman 33:28  

Yeah. I know it's not rocket science. So the thing is, I say to parents sometimes, this child came to join your life, not to take it over.

Lesley Logan 33:47  

That's so good. 

Gail Hugman 33:48  

Teach them what they need to know to be as independent as they can be at every single stage, because that's what a little human being craves. You know, I had a child I was teaching, and he had a little baby sister of four. Well, I say little baby, it sounds cute. She was a feisty little thing, and she used to stand in the doorway, and I had these roll up pencil cases, and as I was finishing the lesson, I'd be about to roll it up, and she'd come running in, me do, me do, me do. And I would give it to her so that she could roll it up. Because all they crave is responsibility, and they want to be part of the tribe they see grown ups, and they want to be that. So please teach them that don't do it for them. So many parents will do it for them. Yes, up to about four. Why? You can get your bag ready for school. You know, do you really need me to do that? What is wrong that you can't do that? That's a problem, isn't it? How you and sometimes the teenagers, I will say, Okay, do you want to live at home all your life? And they will say no. Well, do you want your parents to tell you what to do, or would you like to make decisions for yourself? And they said, Well, I want to do it myself. I said, Well, what can you do to reassure your parents that they have done a good job with you and you can do that, and that starts a whole different discussion. So you take your youngster and you have those discussions, what do I need to do to help you get the results you want? You know, homework. People will fight over homework. And I say, Look, if you go into an exam, you have got 40 minutes, an hour, whatever it is, if you spend two hours doing homework, you are not training that brain to perform in an hour's exam. So if the homework is meant to take 30 minutes, give them 30 minutes. If the homework isn't finished in 30 minutes, tell them you will go with them to the teacher and be there while they explain either it's too hard or they didn't focus, or whatever the reason so that they are responsible for the homework. 

Lesley Logan 36:38  

Right. You're you're supporting, you're the guy, but you're not. Yes. You know this all. I mean, like, first of all, it sounds amazing. And also, and like, it's, it's not simple because it's not simple, but it's also, I look at the like we talk about these everyone blames the reason why, you know, Gen Z and these kids are living with their parents as, like, it's a cost thing. And yes, yes, life is more expensive now, but my mom was a school teacher, a fifth grade school teacher for some of these kids who would be in that generation, and she had to stop sending home. She would not their, their their paper that was due in fifth grade. She made time in class for them to handwrite it, because she didn't want the parents to do it, and the parents were like, well, I need to be able to see how it's how they're doing. And she said, No, I will do that. I will tell they can tell you how it's going. Why don't you ask them how it's going, but they're going to write it in class, because she could tell the parents were doing the homework. So she said to start eliminating homework so that kids wouldn't be responsible for the homework. And so I think, like, part of it is that parents almost taking, maybe it's ego, maybe, I don't know, because I'm not a parent, but like, they're not the representation that you think, like, I feel like there's this, like, Oh, if my kid gets bad grades, it's a reflection upon me, versus like, How can I help them figure out the grades that they could get? You know, like they there's this weird bulldozing thing happen? I'll do it for them. And then you wonder why they live in the basement. And then you blame it on costs, but it's but it's also because they have never been responsible for things. 

Gail Hugman 38:09  

Yes, and there is when we're born we have something called executive function skills. We all need them. We all need them for learning and for living. And in school we don't teach them necessarily, we expect the children to have them. The first one that I teach often self-control. The next one focus and attention. The next one organization, and if parents would focus on teaching those skills, then the children would do better if they're organized, if they're able to manage time. And that's the whole thing about homework. You know, if they if the teacher said, spend 10 minutes on it, spend 10 minutes on it. And if you're looking out of the window, and that's supposed to be spent on homework, then you go in tomorrow and say, I'm sorry I looked out the window, and you take the consequence, because parents will say, if you don't do your homework, you won't have dessert, and I couldn't see the connection.

Lesley Logan 39:14  

Yeah, yeah, right, they're not seeing the connection. Like, that's like, that's not how what the habits coaching that I did, like he always said, rewards are not how habits are created, because they're too often too far away from the actual thing that you're doing. So yeah, yeah. Okay. Gail, I feel like everyone, I hope I have, I hope everyone like who has a parent friend listens to this. Because look, I think raising a child is probably one of the hardest things that people ever do. I taught 11. 

Gail Hugman 39:41  

Absolutely. I haven't got any either. 

Lesley Logan 39:45  

I taught I had, I had these two girls that I taught from 11 to 16, and I have a call with one of them on Friday, who's now 20 years old. Oh my god. And like, I mean, like, I don't know how I don't have gray hairs just from the five years. Like, raising her twice, two hours a week. But like so I definitely don't want to make make light of it, but I also can't sit here and guide women on being it till they see it, if the number one reason they say they don't have time for themselves is because they're doing all these things for their children when we know it's that's not what's going to help your kid thrive, and it's not helping the parent either.

Gail Hugman 40:22  

No, absolutely, you have to remember, between birth and the age of three, that brain in your child, you give birth to a baby, you give birth to a brain, and that brain will have made something like 3 trillion connections without any help from you. And by the age of three, our stress response is already determined. Isn't that extraordinary? 

Lesley Logan 40:50  

Extraordinary. 

Gail Hugman 40:51  

And so what a parent needs to be looking at or the biggest question, this is one of my tips, the biggest question that I'm always asking myself, What is this child actually learning from what they're now doing? So if you are fighting with them over homework, what are they actually learning? That you're unreasonable, that they've got to do it themselves. What are they actually learning if, if you are running around after them, giving them their bags, giving doing everything for them, picking up their dirty washing, and what are they actually learning from that? So take a step back, get a glass of wine. I don't mind, but think, what is my child actually learning, and what do they need? Because this world is changing so quickly, they will need self-control whatever happens. They will need to be able to plan whatever happens. You know these things. And I saw somebody on TV yesterday talking about, AI is the latest kind of phase of technology, so they still need these skills, yeah, and if you rely on all this mechanical stuff, I mean, it's wonderful, because I can talk to you and you're thousands of miles away, but we still have to develop those skills to be able to live a fruitful life and get to the end having achieved the very best we could be. 

Lesley Logan 42:37  

Gail, I think I could talk to you forever. We did go into your Be It Action Items already, I know. We're going to do a quick like, where can people find you, follow you, work with you, get your books. Will the books help them be better at this?

Gail Hugman 42:49  

Yes, definitely. This, this one and this one, Making the Pennies Drop, and 100 Things to Learn Before You're 10, are the two critical ones. A Short and Simple Book for the Whys. Very little. That is the letter I wrote to my head teacher. And this is a very special book, and it is my latest book. It's called Little Hum. Have we got time for me to just read the beginning? 

Lesley Logan 43:18  

Yeah, go ahead. 

Gail Hugman 43:19  

Tiny bit. Okay, once upon a time, far away in the universe where the stars always twinkle and the angels do the dusting, there lived a young, unseen longing, and his name was Little Hum. We cannot tell you exactly what he looked like, because even to this day, no one has ever really seen a longing, young or old. Now, as is the way with young longings, Little Hum wanted something more than anything in the whole universe, even more than Christmas. Little Hum wanted an adventure. He knew these things could be arranged. And Little Hum is the story of us all. It is to do with the human core and to get his adventure, he discovers he needs a body.

Lesley Logan 44:15  

Oh my gosh, okay. Well, clearly every single expecting parent and parent in my life is getting books for Christmas.

Gail Hugman 44:21  

I'm on Amazon. You can get the books on Amazon, and my website is lessonsalive.com. That's me. 

Lesley Logan 44:30  

I'm so grateful for you. I'm grateful for these. If you have any other tips you want to add to this episode, I'm happy to listen to them. If you feel really good about what you gave us, it's so much good stuff. So Be It Action Items for everyone are in here. But what do you think, Gail?

Gail Hugman 44:45  

I think, I think, yes, I've told you a lot. I don't remember now, it all goes like that. 

Lesley Logan 44:52  

Yeah. It's all right. They're great, 

Gail Hugman 44:53  

Yeah. I hope if there are any questions, you can message them to me and I will answer them if I can, if any of your audience have questions, I'm happy to answer.

Lesley Logan 45:03  

Yeah, I hope they do. I really hope they do, because I do think that there is an into there's there's a connection between these women being the best versions of themselves and the pressure they put on themselves as parents that are not helping them or their kiddos. And I just want to take that pressure off, because it's this weird pressure that isn't helpful. And there isn't a parenting class. When you go through this thing, you just like, are supposed to know, and then they put this guilt on you, and especially, it's more heavy on the women, and I don't and that, one, that's not fair. But also we don't need to pass it on to anyone else. We just get rid of it. And what if we could teach like this? And I think it's wonderful skill, especially with all the stuff that's changing. Obviously, your kids are going to learn different things in school than you did because of technology, but they could use those three things that you said in that tip. (inaudible) Yeah, those skills. Gail, Gail Hugman, I know your books, you're so amazing. Thank you so much for being here. You guys, how are you going to use these tips in your life? Let Gail know. Send this to a friend. Send this to a parent in your life. If you feel like your parents did this for you, go thank them. That would be a nice thing for them. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 46:11  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 46:54  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 46:59  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 47:03  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 47:10  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 47:13  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

In this episode, Lesley Logan shares her curated list of "passive-aggressive yet professional" scripts designed for those moments when you simply don't have the capacity to engage with negativity. Inspired by Dr. Rachel Selman, she dives into the importance of standing up for human rights and personal values, even when it feels uncomfortable. Lesley also celebrates wins from the community and reflects on her own small but meaningful victory of finally closing a lingering bank account task.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] mailto:[email protected].

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Clever responses from Dr. Rachel Selman for handling draining conversations.
• Using calm, firm phrases to stand up for beliefs without escalation.
• Why human rights and due process are fundamental, not political risks.
• Community win, including teaching a successful mat class for Lululemon.
• How completing a "small" task cleared a year of mental clutter.

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• Dr. Rachel Selman Instagram – https://beitpod.com/cleverresponses
• Submit Wins and Questions – beitpod.com/questions

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah. 

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Hi, Be It babe. How are you? Well, we are two thirds of the way through this month, and the equinox is tomorrow, and it's the spring equinox. And I you know there's all these different rituals you could do. Not gonna tell you about any of them, because go look them up and do the one you want to do, or do nothing and just enjoy it. But like, get outside, you know, check out the moon and take care of yourself, right? Like, truly. So this is the Friday episodes. This is non-interview, non-recap, just me sharing what inspired me that I saw on the internet that I was like, oh, I thought of you, Be It babe. Like, you're like, where do I should think is it's because I'm like, oh, I want to share this with you, my listeners, my favorite like the people who like you send me such great stuff. You send me inspirational stuff. You send me your wins. I so appreciate you send your questions in. Keep them coming beitpod.com/questions is where you can type, send your wins in and your questions. We love answering them on Thursdays. It's really a lot of fun. And then I share a win of mine and wins of yours. We can see that, like, there's good stuff happening. We're making magic happen. 

Lesley Logan 1:45  

So this is fun. This is responses I've used on Instagram when I don't have the energy. So these are, like, just going to be some answers that you should take from the show notes, copy and paste into your notes, and then text or respond when you don't have the energy to engage with whatever crap is coming at you. So this one, there's a few. Thanks for the message. I'll give that thought the consideration it deserves. So it's so passive aggressive. It's my fave, so petty. Okay, I disagree, but we are working from different levels of education, so I can see how you got to your conclusion. Ah, good. You seem very committed to your current level of understanding. Have a great day. I'm not persuaded. I'll defer to the conclusions that have already been established. That's an interesting perspective. I'm not sure we're operating on the same level of details. I can see why that might seem right to you. However, the facts still stand. I admire how your opinion remains unchanged despite evidence that contradicts it. So I I'm like keeping this save because in standing up for human rights, I've had many people get mad at me and say, just stick to your Pilates. I really like your Pilates, but I don't like your politics. It's like, you don't have to like my politics or like my Pilates, like, I don't, first of all, you're getting most of it for free. So, you know, like, personally, I just want to go fuck off because, like, you're in it for free. Go away. Like, I'm allowed to have my opinion. Clearly, you think you're allowed to have yours. And, like, sometimes our comments can just, like, live rent free in my head, and I get really annoyed by that. I do think that's part of like, my ADHD. At any rate, because of this Dr. Rachel Selman, who has come up with some great responses. I am just going to use these. And I think they're really great, especially the ones where they're like, he was not, he was like, gonna, like, when it was talking about (inaudible) who was gunned down, executed in front of, like, we can see with our eyes, and it's like, people like, people like, that's not what happened. It's like, okay, well, we're obviously operating on different different worlds. You know? It's like, I can see why that might seem right to you. However, the facts still stand. Great response, better response than what I want to do. It's like, Hmm, I just want to tell you. Like, I just want to, not you listener, like the person who has the fills a goal to tell me I just just shut up and dance like, I just want to tell them to fuck off and or this. So I hope you can see how it gets do you understand, like, but you know, right, like some of you are listening and haven't shared how you feel because you're afraid of those comments. And so my hope is that those responses I just gave you give you a little bit of gumption to stand up for what you believe. And it's never too late. It's never too late. It's not we need everybody in this we need everyone. And human rights and due process are not political. They're like, literally how the world should work. 

Lesley Logan 4:28  

So okay, now for your amazing wins, let me pull them up. Here we go. This one is from jessierodriguezaz. Teaching a successful mat class for Lululemon, but more importantly, looking over and seeing my husband, kids and parents. They're watching and smiling. They're what matters most. Oh my gosh, Jesse, beautiful, wonderful. And I mean, like, ugh, precious. Thank you for sharing that with us. I can just picture it. It's just so beautiful. All right. This one is from pilatesharmony88. More consistent than last week for me. Great. That is a great win. More consistent than last week for me. Wonderful. Good job. Win for you. I love it. Thanks for sharing, because we do need to celebrate that oh, I was better this week than last week. Okay, that's 1% better. Like, why do we have to be perfect? We don't. So send your wins in because I want to, I want to shout them out. I want to shout you out. I want you to remember, like, something that you did for yourself when, like, probably you're listening to something going oh, and then you're like, I had that win last month. Oh, my god, so good. 

Lesley Logan 5:28  

All right, so here's my win. This is gonna sound ridiculous. So I've been, I was really annoyed with my bank, like, two years ago, they sold again, and I've just been like, I hate this bank. I hate it so much every like, I never use the ATM card, because I rarely ever use an ATM card, and the moment I do it, it's like, you know, somehow compromised. I have to go fight for the money. I have to wait for it to come back. It's so annoying. So I'm only gonna use my credit card with that bank and then just pay the money off, right, whatever. But I don't get any benefits from this credit card. And like, it's the worst time in the world to, like, want a new credit card anyway, so I've just kind of, like, stuck with it, but in trying to leave them, I opened up a Credit Union account thinking, like, okay, that'll be good if I want to get a loan or whatever, blah, blah, blah.The Credit Union is farther away and never in a direction that I'm going. And so I just haven't been using their ATM either. And so unfortunately, like, I opened this account 100 bucks, and it's just slowly been losing the money like it was, what a waste. I hope that they enjoyed the money that they got because I just threw it away. But to close the account, I couldn't do it over the phone. I couldn't do it online. I had to go in person and write a letter. And I am happy to say I did that. I finally went and I did it, and I made it fun. I made a whole day of it. I took the dog to the fun dog store that's right there, because I was like, oh, if we're gonna go there, we should, may as well go to the fun dog store. So I'm just really pleased as punch with myself and I got that off of my plate and out of my brain, and it's been there for a year of me going, I have to go close that account. I have to go close that account. It's done. Did it. So that's my win. All right. So do you see? Wins can be anything. 

Lesley Logan 6:56  

All right, this is your mantra to get yourself out on for the weekend. My positive thoughts about myself are my choice. My positive thoughts about myself are my choice. My positive thoughts about myself are my choice. They're your choice, babe, go choose some good ones. All right, thank you for making this podcast a top 1% podcast. Thank you for being you. Thank you for sending your wins in, thank you for listening, thank you for sharing it, and thank you for Being It Till You See It. Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 7:21  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 8:04  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 8:09  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 8:14  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 8:21  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 8:24  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell unpack a strategically bold conversation with high-performance coach Molly Asplin about the difference between high achievement and overachievement. They explore why many ambitious people confuse loyalty with strength and how that mindset can quietly lead to burnout. The discussion also dives into how most people are time-blocking their lives without accounting for their natural energy cycles. Whether you are defending a career you no longer enjoy or waiting for the "perfect time" to pivot, this recap might be the nudge you need to start.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] mailto:[email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Distinguishing between the habits of high achievers and overachievers.
• The hidden trap of linking professional loyalty with personal strength.
• Auditing your energy levels instead of relying only on time blocking.
• Why your peak morning brainpower should go to your hardest task.
• The power of committing to one bold, courageous move every day.

Episode References/Links:

• Contrology Pilates Conference (Wroclaw, Poland) - xxll.co/poland
• Pilates Workshop (Bruges, Belgium) - xxll.co/brussels
• Pilates On Tour® (London, UK) - xxll.co/pot
• OPC Spring Training (Virtual Event) - opc.me/events
• Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions
• When: The Scientific Secrets of Perfect Timing By Daniel Pink - https://a.co/d/06aFMhMZ
• Molly Asplin’s Website - https://mollyasplin.com
• Molly Aplin’s Podcast - https://beitpod.com/mollyasplinpodcast
• Molly’s Free Resource - mollyasplin.com/momentum

If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSI

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Be in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlist

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Be a part of Lesley’s Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/

FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/

Resources:

• Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-g
• Lesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/
• Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQ
• Profitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/

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Episode Transcript:

Brad Crowell 0:00  

Most high achievers are taking their morning when their brains are the best, you know, like processing time and they're using it for dumb things like responding to emails or random things that set them down a side trail, when instead they should be focusing on like the big project that's going to move the ball forward on the company.

Lesley Logan 0:22  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 1:01  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the strategically bold convo I had with Molly Asplin in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you can hit pause and go listen to that one, and then listen to this one. If you like to hear the ending first, I don't blame you. I love that. I do that too. 

Brad Crowell 1:23  

She literally does that. 

Lesley Logan 1:24  

I do. I actually tried to get my client today we're talking about the new Love is Blind season. And I was like, I'm only on episode three. She's like, well, I won't ruin it for you, because it's like, obviously she's all the way to Mexico. And those who know Love is Blind know what I'm talking about. And I was like, I don't even remember the names. You could tell what's going on. She's like, No, I don't want to ruin it for you. And I was like, you, I'm gonna Google it like, I know that there's ways to find out who stays together before the recap. So you can ruin it. 

Brad Crowell 1:49  

Ruin it. 

Lesley Logan 1:50  

Except for, you know, what? 

Brad Crowell 1:52  

What? 

Lesley Logan 1:52  

I thought that I would watch glitter and gold documentary, and I would just be okay, a little late to the Olympics, because, you know, I'll just watch it later. Like, not a big deal. You can just Google it later. And then we were listening to a podcast has nothing to do with sports, and they ruined it. 

Brad Crowell 1:53  

Oh, I was laughing at you, because you Google everything. 

Lesley Logan 1:54  

I know, but I hadn't Googled that because I was, like, I was trying to do it the way you wanted me to, and they ruined it. And, you know, when they ruined it, I'm just gonna tell you all in case, I'm gonna ruin it for you now, because you know what it's fucking March. You should know. I know the villains won like the villains won. Anyways.

Brad Crowell 2:30  

The villains won. 

Lesley Logan 2:31  

Today is March 19th 2026, and it's Companies That Care Day. Companies That Care Day celebrate on the third Thursday in March to encourage employers to start caring for their employees instead of overworking or exploiting them. This year, that would be today. Yes, the happier the employees, the more productive they will be. Most importantly, employers must keep in mind that both physical and mental health can have an impact on the performance of workers. Hence, to have a long lasting there's a comma hence, to have a long lasting workforce that can produce quality work, employees must show that they care. This includes celebrating the success of the employees or honoring them in their great contribution to the company. We kick ass. I think, as best we can at this, I also think that if, like, more companies didn't have to make sure their shareholders were happy, they would make sure their employees are happy. 

Brad Crowell 3:13  

Yeah, I know it's, that's weird, right? 

Lesley Logan 3:15  

You wanna know what's really weird. I just saw a reel where they asked all the like head CEOs of the top health insurance companies, like, if they're publicly traded, raise your hand. They're all publicly traded. Okay, keep your hand raised if you also own a pharmacy. Keep your hand raised if you also own doctor's offices. So the health insurance companies and the states, of course, they are not only publicly traded, which means they have to make sure that they are doing as what they can for profit margins for their stakeholders, but then they own the doctor's offices who prescribe the prescriptions, that own the pharmacies that fill the prescriptions, which means they're in charge of whatever you pay, whether you pay or not, right? It was abhorrent. 

Brad Crowell 3:59  

That makes it a monopoly. They own every part of the chain. 

Lesley Logan 4:03  

Right. Disgusting. Anyway, we. 

Brad Crowell 4:03  

Fascinating. Capitalism at its finest. 

Lesley Logan 4:04  

Yeah? And here's the thing I'm not like, if you are a small business owner in this capitalist society, we do have to play with by the rules that are made. Your IRS is going to want to make sure that you are doing something that's profiting every year. Otherwise, they call it a hobby, but in that, there are ways to make sure that your employees are thought of and not overworked.

Brad Crowell 4:29  

I was gonna say that those guys are breaking the rules or not playing, or they have no rules for their game they're playing. Not cool, but I, but I agree shifting back here to focusing on companies that care.

Lesley Logan 4:41  

There's things you can do. There's this one female business owner that she forces the company to be closed one week per quarter. It's built into the schedules. They don't have meetings on there. That way, whatever employees need to do, they can do. Obviously, they could take vacation times other times. But like, you know that's gonna compound their work. But they have that to guarantee. The other thing that they have, they have paid family leave for all parents, no matter the gender. And they also have leave if you had to go to a hospital for sickness, things like that. Like they have all this extra leave. And also, you can take your meetings from anywhere. It's a rule. Wherever you want to take a meeting, you can take a meeting as long as you get your work done, it doesn't matter. That's one way you could do it. We have a wins channel, oh, it's a wins and gratitude channel where, like, different people on our team just thank each other for, like, what they're doing. It's super fun. We celebrate everyone's birthdays on there. And the win isn't like, oh, we nailed this launch. It's like, hey, so and so helped me with this project. And like, that is really fun. We really pride ourselves in that we built in, like, donating. It's not huge numbers. Like, no one's gonna, you know, go a wow, or put Lesley and Brad on the on the wall. But like, we built that in, like, there's ways to do things that make sure that you care in different ways. You just have to build it in. And then you do when you can do better, you do better, you know, so.

Brad Crowell 5:53  

100% agree, 100% and it's fun. I mean, honestly, it's been a dream of mine to have a team of capable, enthusiastic, yeah, human beings who are experts at what they do, and bring them all together. And it's been really, really fun to make that dream a reality.

Lesley Logan 6:16  

It's really cool. It's forced. It's also forced us, like, if we want our people to not overwork and get their work done in a timely manner, so they can be happy with their families and be we've had so many people on our team have babies and things like that, then that means we, too can, like, we have to show them that we take time for ourselves. Because otherwise, if they're like, if the boss never stops working, then I can never stop working, right? So those that's another way to care in a company like, if you're like, I don't have any extra. 

Brad Crowell 6:39  

Lead by example. 

Lesley Logan 6:39  

Extra money right now, then lead by example of what you want them to do, and you'll and then you'll build that in. And then the other thing is, like, that means we also hire people who care. You know, we're we were just talking today. This is, you know, you're hearing this in a month ago, month. I don't know. We're in the past, we're in the (inaudible), but we're trying to refill three jobs, and we're struggling to find people that actually aren't just using AI to answer all of the questions. Yeah, it's like, I love that you know how to use AI, but this job that you're gonna do doesn't use it and your personality matters.

Brad Crowell 7:09  

Well, it can, but that's not the point. We want to know you. 

Lesley Logan 7:12  

Right, well, we're big fans of hiring a personality and trained skills. So like, if you are a bot, then I'm so sorry. We have a bot. We don't need a bot. We need a person who's cool. Anyways.

Brad Crowell 7:26  

Come hang out with us in Poland, March. We're gonna be there.

Lesley Logan 7:30  

Yeah, actually, Brad, it's March 19th. 

Brad Crowell 7:31  

Come hang around with us tomorrow in Poland. Because that's where we are right now. 

Lesley Logan 7:36  

Come to the event in Poland. 

Brad Crowell 7:38  

We may or may not have recorded this in the past future. 

Lesley Logan 7:40  

Yeah, and next week you can join us in Bruges, which I've been calling Brussels this whole time. And, well, it'll be in Bruges so.

Brad Crowell 7:47  

It's near, it's near. 

Lesley Logan 7:49  

I think so also, I also wish I had known that, because, like, people said we're gonna be in Brussels. And then she said, Bruges, I'm like, there's a whole movie. We all saw it. Very hot actor, of course, we saw it. 

Brad Crowell 7:59  

We did? 

Lesley Logan 7:59  

Yes, Colin Farrel, Colin Farrel, right. That's a hot one. That's a hot Colin, right? 

Brad Crowell 8:00  

Hot. Sure. 

Lesley Logan 8:04  

Well, because there's the Colin Firth, not hot, but very great actor, then there's Colin. Is it Colin Farrell? What's his name? 

Brad Crowell 8:13  

I don't know the movie. 

Lesley Logan 8:15  

The movie is called, oh, I'm just messing with my camera. The team hates me, In Bruges.

Brad Crowell 8:21  

In Bruges is hold on. 

Lesley Logan 8:25  

2008 Yeah, Colin Farrell. 

Brad Crowell 8:27  

I have never seen this.

Lesley Logan 8:28  

Oh my god. It's so up your alley. It's totally up your alley. I can't believe you haven't seen it. I've seen it so many times. 

Brad Crowell 8:33  

It's about a hit man who shoots people. 

Lesley Logan 8:34  

Yeah, probably not gonna watch. 

Brad Crowell 8:36  

I'm gonna watch that tonight. 

Lesley Logan 8:37  

Go watch it tonight. Okay. And then. 

Brad Crowell 8:38  

I will report back to decide if he's as hot as we're thinking is, I don't know if it's Colin Farrell. 

Lesley Logan 8:46  

Yeah. Then after our second honeymoon in France, which we still haven't planned, but hopefully by the time you're hearing this, we have some idea, we'll be in London for Balanced Bodies On Tour, Pilates On Tour at the time recording this the last I heard about my my workshop says there's only room in the Sunday one, there's a few spots left xxll.co/POTis London. So you want to go to that, guys, we probably won't be in Europe for a while, and I don't say that to frighten you. 

Brad Crowell 9:14  

Yeah, no, I think that's fair. I mean. 

Lesley Logan 9:16  

Transparency and honesty are part of our value system. 

Brad Crowell 9:19  

Here's the reality is, I'm very excited about the idea of going to Australia and New Zealand. We haven't done that together. You have. I have not. And I would love to go. And not only that, I want to spend time driving around in circles in Australia. That one's on my bucket list. 

Lesley Logan 9:33  

Yeah. Yeah, and if you're like, oh my god, when are you coming? This is not planned. This is just, we're putting it out in the universe.

Brad Crowell 9:39  

What that means is that, if we're going there, that means we're not going here. It's what that ultimately means. And we are going to Cambodia, because we literally put down roots there. So, that will always be on the on the list but.

Lesley Logan 9:50  

Spring training is in May, and that is online. So if you're like, guys, I can't get on the plane anywhere, I don't have the funds or the time, or whatever, Spring Training, it's going to be all about getting overhead. If you're an OPC member, it will be free for you. You just have to register. Well make sure you check your email for how to do that. If you're not an OPC member yet, you can turn into one and then get it for free, or you can pay for it and then fall in love with us and turn into one, opc.me/events is all your what you want to want to do, so make sure you get the early bird information.

Lesley Logan 10:13  

Yeah, that'll put you on the wait list. Yeah. opc.me/events, so.

Lesley Logan 10:23  

Well, we have taken our sweet time getting into this interview, but we still have to answer an audience question. 

Brad Crowell 10:28  

Yeah. So actually, RawsomeYoga from Instagram is asking,

 hey dou run your biz as an S Corp or an LLC?

Lesley Logan 10:37  

I actually love this question, because so many people we in our Profitable Pilates coaching years, we've been doing for a very long time. So many people say, my accountant says I don't make enough money. This is obviously, for the people in the States, I don't make enough money to be an S corp and LLC, so I'm a sole proprietor and Brad, why is that, Brad?

Brad Crowell 10:57  

Oh, I mean, first off, high level, I'm gonna, I'm gonna step back and try to keep this really simple, risk. It's all about risk management. Okay? And what do we mean by that? If the rest, if you're, if you're not in the United States, you're probably laughing, because everyone here likes to sue each other, and so. 

Lesley Logan 11:14  

There's a lawyer for every 100 people.

Brad Crowell 11:17  

That's insane. Ridiculous. That's insane.

Lesley Logan 11:21  

Have you met a happy lawyer? Not me. They all become Pilates instructors. So anyways, so to go to just keep going risk is a thing. So if you're a sole proprietor and someone gets hurt doing Pilates with you, and you're in the States and you're a sole proprietor, that means your personal assets become part of what they can take advantage of. And so you want to be an S Corp or an LLC, they have there's different reasons to want to be one or the other, and I don't think we need to bore anybody with this, but you should already have been doing that. If you are a fitness instructor who takes money from clients to teach fitness, I don't care what your accountant says. They are not a lawyer. They're not a lawyer. So you want to pick one of those. Now in California, I can say we weren't S Corp, which was very nice for California and Nevada, I think we are. 

Brad Crowell 12:12  

There's a couple of things to understand here too. Is that when people say S Corp versus LLC, technically they're confusing two things. Okay, so it's actually Corporation versus Limited Liability Corporation or LLC. So it's C Corp versus LLC, you can actually have the S election on both of them. Oh, that's fun. Yeah. So that is a conversation to have with your accountant. Why would you have an S Corp or an S LLC? That's a conversation that you should have with them, because that depends on a lot of different factors, right? But typically, what we're what we mean when we say, Oh, I have an S Corp, it means we have C Corp, a corporation with an S election for the federal government's, you know, understanding. And the reason that we would do that is because it's just a different way of being taxed. Okay, so again, that's why you'd have this conversation with the with your accountant. But high level, you know, the pros of an LLC are that it's, it can be owned by one person, it can be owned by multiple people, but all profits are subject to self employment tax. So like, that's where, this is where the big conversation is, how are you paying yourself? How are you paying your team? Do you have a team? You know, pros for an LLC is that it's simple, relatively flexible. The cons of an LLC, well, it traditionally was that, you know, and this is hearsay, because I don't have any proof on this, but the new guy at the IRS who was doing audits was always going through the LLCs. They were very rarely going through the corporations. Corporations are typically larger companies.

Lesley Logan 13:48  

Yes, that's what my accountant told me when he brought me into his office. You never want to get called in. Calls me in, done my taxes for like, two years, and he's like, Hey, we have to change how you're filing, because you're gonna get audited. Because people get audited the most are sole proprietors, and they are the bottom of the totem Well, actually, can't say that, because the bottom of the totem pole is the best of the people. I was just educated. So they are the youngest, newest. They've not like. All they do is like these and so, and they're easy, like, kind of, kind of be an asshole and audit you because you're a sole proprietor, and it's not a ton of stuff to go through, whereas the people who are auditing the S corps or the corporations they have supposedly have had more experience. So they understand that corporations have multiple locations for rent. They understand that corporations have multiple different types of write offs. So I chose a corporate because I was like, I want the best. I want to I want.

Brad Crowell 14:40  

Well also about that time we weren't married and you didn't have, like, the the there's a very clear tax benefit to having a multi member LLC versus a single member LLC. I remember this whole conversation, so because you didn't have a partner, no, then you went in the corporation route because it was better for taxing. So and then eventually.

Lesley Logan 15:01  

And then you proposed a month later. And I was like, Well, me, that would have been nice information a month ago. But at any rate, whatever you choose is going to be a conversation about your growth strategy, your goals for your business, with your accountant, and if you have an accountant that says you don't, you shouldn't do either of these. You should get a new accountant, because that person does not understand the risk, and they also are clearly not understanding, like your growth strategy.

Brad Crowell 15:25  

Yeah, no, I do want to clarify. If you're an employee for someone. 

Lesley Logan 15:28  

Oh, this doesn't matter. 

Brad Crowell 15:29  

Yeah, none of this matter, because you you know. And what I mean to say is, if you are only an employee for someone, if you're still taking clients on the side, this matters, but if you are not taking clients on the side, and you're an employee for someone, then what you need is just typical teacher liability insurance and youre, yeah, the studio.

Lesley Logan 15:49  

Make sure that you are classified as an actual employee. Oh, this is because way too many this pisses me off. It really pisses me off. Way too many studios are misclassifying their teachers as 1099s, right? Yeah. They're not W2. 

Brad Crowell 16:06  

They're, correct. So what is that for people have no idea what we mean, so they're not employee versus contract. 

Lesley Logan 16:11  

So they're treating like a contract. 

Brad Crowell 16:13  

So if you are an ICA or an independent contractor, oh, IC, sorry. 

Brad Crowell 16:18  

Yeah, an IC, that you so I don't a true IC means you make your own schedule, you have your own insurance, you have your own waivers. You take the payments, you decide how much money you're charging. True, true, true. You would have already even part of the conversation Brad and I had already. If you think you're an employee somewhere, but they are treating you like an IC as far as taxes go, and they are trying to sell to you like it's better for you, because it means you get write offs. Get write offs. You actually are under that risk part that makes me really nervous and then you would need to. 

Brad Crowell 16:46  

Now we're talking like, should you have a company so that you can protect your own, like, house, car, 401(K) whatever.

Lesley Logan 16:48  

Let's say the equipment at the studio you're at breaks.

Brad Crowell 16:55  

Let me just finish my thought, is that if you're an employee, and only an employee and a proper W2 employee, then the studio has the insurance. So if, if someone were to sue, they wouldn't be suing me, Brad, the employee, they might. I might be named in the suit, but really, they're suing the company. 

Lesley Logan 17:16  

Yeah, the company's insurance would do it, yeah. 

Brad Crowell 17:17  

So then, so, yeah, that's the big difference.

Lesley Logan 17:20  

So you can see why I get really, like, I get really pissed when people are misclassified because you don't understand the liability that you're set under, and then they try to cloak it in, oh, it's better for you. It's it could be, yeah, if you know that, and you are insured properly, and your business is set up properly, sure.

Brad Crowell 17:37  

Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, hey, that was, that was welcome to Brad time.

Lesley Logan 17:40  

Send your question. These are things we do at Agency, by the way, in our office hours. So send your questions into beitpod.com/questions or text us at 310-905-5534, that's a plus one. If you're out of the country, I don't know your tax systems, but happy to answer. 

Brad Crowell 17:53  

Yeah. Or if you don't want to text internationally, go to beitpod.com/questions beitpod.com/questions or you can leave us both a question or a win, because we'll use those wins on the FYFs the Friday pod. So we should be getting wins all the time, people, I'm gonna tell you that we're not getting enough wins.

Lesley Logan 18:15  

People, sometimes you guys, DM them to me, and I actually don't know if you want them to stay private, and so then I don't know, so I need you to send them into this thing so that I know that I can share it. I'm happy to celebrate in the DMs with you, but, like, also, you won't hear it on the pod, because I won't know if I can.

Brad Crowell 18:34  

Yeah, so be it pod.com/questions. All right, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about Molly Asplin, and we're going to dig into, you know, why she has her podcast, what she does and how she is kicking ass and taking names. We'll be right back. 

Brad Crowell 18:49  

Welcome back. Welcome back. Let's talk about Molly Asplin. Molly is the host of the Dream It, Do It podcast, and a high performance coach who works with the with high achieving women who feel like there's something more or something different for their lives and careers than what they're currently doing and and I'm already like, ready to jump into the conversation, because I thought it was a really amazing thing to be a distinguish between over achieving and high achieving. Love this. Okay, anyway, after spending 10 years in corporate finance, she made the shift into coaching and now supports women in exploring what they're truly good at, what they enjoy, and how they bring more of that into the work and life that they love, whether they're pivoting into something new or finding fulfillment where they are. 

Lesley Logan 19:33  

So yeah, I mean, I want to jump in on what you were saying. Because, like, I actually have only ever heard of overachieving, right? So when I heard the word high achieving, I was like, is that just like a rebrand of overachieving, but it's not. It's it's not. And as a recovering overachiever and perfectionist, I actually was like, Oh, I could still want to achieve things and not end up in my addiction. So, right? Like, I.

Brad Crowell 20:05  

I feel like, I feel like, you know, like, if you compared it to this idea of high performance, we've probably heard of high performance athlete, usually is, what is the next word that comes, you know, but, but it's very rare that you hear of over performance athlete. No, he don't, well, I mean, I mean, probably just because no one uses that phrase, but I think there certainly are those kinds of people.

Lesley Logan 20:26  

Well, anyway, she said, I think it was, I think it was I liked, that we finally got to, like, address that. Because I don't think on any of the episodes of having someone talk about, like, performance and achievement, that, like, we distinguish the difference between the two, and I think that that's really helpful. And then she also said, like, a lot of times with high achievers, and I would say, I would also say, with the overachievers, we, they. I said we, because hello, associate loyalty with strength. Like you say to yourself, I need to stick this out. I'm a loyal person. And this is something that, like, I come across a lot of times with. I just had a coaching call with one of our members, and she's like, Oh, this person's leaving in May. And I'm like, are they bringing you any benefit right now? No, it's costing me a lot of money right now. Why are they staying until May? Well, I mean, I told her she could, like the loyalty part of it, and I'm like, no, no, no, there's nothing. There's no law that says you have to do that. They're an employee at an at will state. Like, you can say, thank you so much for your time. This will be your last date. But, like, I understand this from a different perspective, and I'll share it like I think it's on episode.

Brad Crowell 21:31  

Y'all were talking about burnout, right, and being the person who is an overachiever, being in the environment, and then what are the story that we tell ourselves? We tell ourselves, well, you know, we might not even be like explicitly saying I'm loyal, but that's how I used to define myself. I'm loyal to a fault. Yes, well, the irony is that it was my own fault. I was hurting myself.

Lesley Logan 21:58  

I think companies that care come in as well, because like, so companies that don't care will take people like you and I, who are like, Oh, I'll help with that. Oh I'll help with that, and they won't go, wow, that person is taking on a lot. Maybe we should take some things off of their plate so that they can do these things, right?

Brad Crowell 22:14  

I literally just had this conversation with someone on our team who's like, this project is shifting, and in the interim it will, it'll basically come back to me, and I'll be handling this role of it. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I, that is not, that's not for you, that shouldn't be for you, and I'm grateful that you're willing to do it, but that's that's the wrong your efforts are better than that, like, bigger than that. Or, you know, the way you think is bigger than that. So how do we adjust it so that this doesn't land back on your plate? It shouldn't. 

Lesley Logan 22:50  

Right and so I think, like, if you're someone who's like, because you said you would do it, you're having a hard time taking yourself away from it. Or you're finding yourself going, Oh, once this happens, then I'll give my notice. Or once this happens, then I'll break up with this person. Or once this happens, then I'll it's like the reality is, is like that somewhere in the waiting till this happens, you will take on something else for them and or something else. And so it's really important that you understand you can still be loyal and strong and a committed team member and stop doing it, like you can't, there's conversations that might have to be had, there's things, but I think it's important to, like, at least spot it in yourself, so that you can recognize when you're doing it. Yeah, and something that I'm having a hard time with in my own life is like, I know that I'm someone who is very present when I'm with you, like I try really, really hard to when a friend visits or a family member is visiting, not so much with people I live with, but the people who are visiting they're really hard to clear my schedule be really intentional about them knowing how much time I have all these different things, which means that I might not respond to a text for a bit, because I I can't be present in the conversation at the time. I would have to, like, sit down, think about it, answer it. I can't just read it and move on. Like, I have to, I have to close the loop, right? That's who I am and so.

Brad Crowell 24:11  

Well, also, too, it's not just that. It's like, it's like, if you're gonna say something and then that, you know they're gonna respond back, but you know you won't be able to get to that response, like.

Lesley Logan 24:21  

I can't do it. I That's not wrong. That's just like, like, I can't be there for the ping-ponging back and forth. And so for me, I am really trying to honor that about myself. I'm a high achiever. I don't want to be overachiever. 

Brad Crowell 24:41  

You know, that's how they used to sell Slack. That was literally the the selling point. 

Lesley Logan 24:45  

Keep the ping-pong going. 

Brad Crowell 24:45  

Yep, no, well, not the key, not that wasn't, they didn't say it like that, but it was effectively like, you get to it when you when you can get to it. Oh, and that was like the selling point was like, Oh yeah, they can leave you a message. You can come circle back when you're ready.

Lesley Logan 24:52  

That is also how Slack feels for like, to me, and text messages feel like you're supposed to respond, you know, so, like, because I can't, because I'm working on just like, not over committing myself, I'm not responding, which is, in turn, you know, some people don't like that, because that's effect that's changing the boundaries and the status quo that they're used to. And I am working really hard and going it doesn't mean I'm not loyal to them. It doesn't mean I don't love them. It just means I can't do it right now. So I'm just sending that to you because, like, if you're trying to recalibrate, which is what Molly talked about. She said, if you find yourself defending what you're doing more than you're enjoying it, complaining about it a lot, but you're just fine at the same time, it might be time to recalibrate. And I think that recalibration means like, not just like going to a hotel and like getting a spa weekend and like, yes, or just that time, take some time to go okay, what? What can I change here? What can I share here? What can I ask for help on? Can I say, Hey, I know I said I could do this. It's taking a little more bandwidth than I thought. Is it possible to get some help on these things or postpone these due dates if you told family members you would do something, and that is like actually becoming something that you're frustrated by? Is it possible say, Hey guys, unless somebody really wants to do this, do you mind if I like, cater it? Do you mind if I like, is there someone else? Like, it's okay.

Brad Crowell 26:04  

Asynchronous communication tool is what that is called, by the way, down this rabbit hole.

Lesley Logan 26:09  

I heard the typing. I was like, what is he doing? What did I say? Anyways, I just, I just want to say, if, if this episode resonated with you. Hello, I see you. I see you. And you're still loyal, and you're still an amazing, committed person, even if you are taking step backs from things, taking more time on things, asking for space on things, it doesn't mean you're an asshole.

Brad Crowell 26:33  

Doesn't mean you're an asshole. Love that. 

Lesley Logan 26:35  

Yeah, that's my next book. You're not an asshole. You need space.

Brad Crowell 26:43  

Well, I really loved when she was talking about high achievers, who are generally good at time blocking and getting stuff done, but they're actually not great at. 

Lesley Logan 26:53  

They're not, naturally. 

Brad Crowell 26:55  

They're not managing their energy well. So while they might be like, Okay, I'm blocking out this time to do this, I'm blocking out that time to do that.

Lesley Logan 27:05  

Brad, this isn't This is insane. This is, like, literally every single woman that we work with,

Brad Crowell 27:10  

Oh, I was gonna say it's very much me, too. 

Lesley Logan 27:11  

Yeah, they're, you're, they're so good at time blocking, but not necessarily putting the blocks of time when the energy is there.

Brad Crowell 27:19  

And specifically what she was talking about, and this is what made me laugh, is it's one of I've heard this a million times, but for some reason this really stood out to me this time was when you're thinking what your brain is like at the best capacity, relatively early in your day, in the morning, And that's like science, right? So.

Lesley Logan 27:42  

Unless you're an owl, there's owls and larks and. 

Brad Crowell 27:44  

Well, for sure that, for sure that is me. 

Lesley Logan 27:47  

Daniel Pink wrote a book. I can't tell you which book it is, but you can just look up which one has time management there. And he explains there is, like, a small percentage of population who are naturally designed to be night people, but most people are beginning of the day.

Brad Crowell 28:02  

His book is called When: The Scientific Secrets of Perfect Timing, 2018. So, When. 

Lesley Logan 28:09  

You know what, it's crazy, I can remember when he said that in a podcast, and where I was walking home to our apartment in LA, but the title of the book not in there.

Brad Crowell 28:18  

Well, well anyway, so most high achievers are taking their morning when their brains are the best, you know, like processing time, and they're using it for dumb things like responding to emails or random things that set them down a side trail, when instead they shouldn't be focusing on like the big project that's going to move the ball forward on the company. 

Lesley Logan 28:43  

I think that's the eat the frog mantra, right? There's the eat the frog first you do the big thing in the earlier part of your day.

Brad Crowell 28:49  

Yeah or, you know, hug the cactus, yeah. But, but the you're right, it's the eat the frog concept of, like, all right, get it out of the way, because your brain is functioning the best then, but we are letting ourselves be be taken down these other random trails by stuff that is not.

Lesley Logan 29:09  

After lunch, after I've had lunch.

Brad Crowell 29:13  

I mean, think about it, from the studio.

Lesley Logan 29:15  

I am the worst, the worst at creative stuff after I've had a lunch. Like, I, I'm a little different now that we've had the Adderall. I'm not gonna lie, like I actually wasn't pretty impressed myself what I did in the afternoon. But I naturally the I'm good at teaching and coaching. I can actually really present and pour into somebody else, but to, like, creatively, think about some project. No, no, that would be a good time for me to do my emails if I had to.

Brad Crowell 29:42  

Yeah, today was really interesting. I actually did my that kind of stuff, Slack, emails at the end of the day. 

Lesley Logan 29:49  

Do you like it? 

Brad Crowell 29:49  

Yeah, actually, I thought it was good. I mean, it didn't set me up for the phone call I had at five o'clock but. 

Lesley Logan 29:55  

But it's a new system, so, you just said now, you had to figure that out. 

Brad Crowell 29:59  

Yeah that was the first time I was like, oh, oops. Anyway, the point is that if you have a bigger project that's going to move the company forward, you want to do it in the day, like for studio owners, imagine, you know, waking up in the morning and the first thing you do is, like, pull out the dust pan and broom and you sweep the studio. You're like, wasting your brain on the on something that is just mundane. 

Lesley Logan 30:20  

And just in case you're not a company or a studio owner, this could be, like, life stuff, you know, like a lot of people on the weekends are like, oh, I want to do this big thing. I want to, like, clean out my closet. But you don't do that in the morning. You like, go grocery shopping, you organize the clean the kitchen. Like, in fact, if you were to do that in the beginning part of your day, when you have a lot more energy, and then you did the other stuff at the slower time, it would be better. 

Brad Crowell 30:46  

Yeah. Well, you know. 

Lesley Logan 30:48  

I mean, Molly can tell you how to manage your time. What we're saying is, if you're listening to this podcast, you're probably someone who time blocks the fuck out of your life and doesn't have the energy to do what you've time blocked. Here's your sign. 

Brad Crowell 30:59  

You know, I mean, also too, we're so distracted, right? It's so easy for like, I can't tell you how many times I actually caught myself today, which is really interesting, that I hopped on to dig into Slack, the chat, you know, to get through everything for the team. The first thing I did took me to my email, which took me to this other thing, took me this other thing, took me to this other thing. And then, like, all of a sudden, 10 or 15 minutes had gone by. I was like, what was I even doing? Oh, I literally got to one message in what I was trying to do, which was Slack, right? It's like, oh, okay, hold on. I'm this is not a win. Like, also, too, I the notifications on my phone, if my phone is up, it's like, every every two minutes. So like minimizing those that's important to do you know, but effectively, when you know this about yourself, if you can reorient your projects so that your morning or your when your peak time that your brain is functioning is when you're doing the thing that needs to actually happen to get things done, you're going to love life so much better. Yeah. All right, stick around. We'll be right back, because we're going to dig into those Be It Action Items that we got from Molly Asplin in a moment. 

Brad Crowell 32:09  

All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Molly Asplin? She was talking about pivoting to something new, like changing things, you know, in mid stride. Pivoting usually is like, I'm going this way and now I'm changing it to go that way, right? So she's saying that it's not about taking this big leap immediately. For her, she did it in a little bit more of a thoughtful way. She said, you usually already know what your next bold move is, just kind of inherently know. But the question is, when are we ready to tackle that thing right? And it's very easy to say, I'm going to get to say, I'm going to get to it, I'm going to get to it, I'm going to get to it. So how do we actually get to it? And she was talking about her clients, and she's like, you know, she had a client say to her, I want to start a podcast, and I'm going to do that at some point. And she's like, Well, why don't you start it now? And she's like, Oh, I guess. I guess I could start it now. 

Lesley Logan 33:22  

Yeah, start recording. You don't have to figure it out. You can always add an intro later, like you don't have to have the name figured out. You could just, like, start recording yourself.

Brad Crowell 33:31  

Yeah, but, but, but that left her, that led her down to this tool that she uses that is like, one bold move a day, one bold, one bold, courageous move a day. And that means, after 30 days, you have done 30 bold, courageous moves, right? And so what is a bold, courageous move? What could that be? It might be like actually responding to the text message you've been avoiding. 

Lesley Logan 33:54  

Yeah, that could be bold. 

Brad Crowell 33:57  

It might be making the phone call that you're like, I just don't want to take the time. Well, if you do it when your brain is active, the most active, you know, it will be less burdensome for y'all.

Lesley Logan 34:07  

For my ADHD people listening, you'll be shocked how quickly it it goes if it's the phone call you've been avoiding, like, I hate, well, it's not, I mean, like, it's true. It's an actual sign of ADHD. So, and because you and I have it, and we attract people who are, like most of our listeners probably like, you're really good at, like, a lot of, like, big thinking projects, but like, you know, calling your accountant just feels like the most annoying thing to do, and then you like, thank God I got their voicemail. Like, you know what I mean? No, just me, but the other day, I had to make two phone calls. And I was so shocked that I was able to do two phone calls in five minutes. And I was like, whoa. Why did I put that off for like, 72 weeks, like, so I just would say, like, do it when you have the high energy for it. I like that. I like that.

Brad Crowell 34:54  

Yeah, you know, but, but, but then, like, also, too, it starts a progression, one bold move a day. 

Lesley Logan 34:59  

That's how confidence is built, by the way, by doing the same. 

Brad Crowell 35:02  

Messy action. 

Lesley Logan 35:03  

And then, by the way, I'll just that'll go into my thing, think about that thing, and then you want to do the future and then do it today. Like, it's actually like, don't, like, Don't go, Oh, I'm gonna talk to my friend about doing it. No. Like, go do it. Send the email. Like, hire the coach. Like, oh, I've been really wanting to get on this dating app so I could find something, put the build up the profile like do the actual thing. Because one, you'll be surprised how quickly some of these things are able to be done in our head, that we've built up to be this hard thing that we have to do. 

Brad Crowell 35:30  

Oh, me too. 

Lesley Logan 35:31  

So take the actual action, and don't let that get covered up with plans of just thinking about it. I'll tell you one thing, one way to really irk my you know, situation is if you just keep talking about the thing you're going to do with me, I can't. I don't have patience for it. So I don't it's how, it's how I met Brad. Y'all want to know this girl friend of mine just kept complaining about the scarf she lost, and I had the exact same scarf. I love that scarf. And I said, if you want, you can have my scarf, the one that you lost. I have the other one, but you're gonna do it with Brad, because I just needed her to shut up, like, go buy a new scarf. Go call the thing. Go see if there's a lost and found or it's a fucking I can't so anyways, I'm clearly not the person to call for you to repeat yourself. I'm gonna tell you, take the actual action, and then if you want to understand how to get momentum going, she did share a free resource called Momentum Builder at mollyasplin.com/momentum.

Brad Crowell 36:29  

Yeah, that's Molly A-S-P-L-I-N dot com mollyasplin.com/momentum, it's pretty cool, like you can print it out. She she recommends doing it monthly, and it helps you build that momentum. And if you take one bold move a day, by the time you're done 30 days, you're ready to fill out another one of these Momentum Builders. 

Lesley Logan 36:47  

This is so great for so many people I know who listen to this podcast or in Agency, because they're like, I just need to figure the system that helps me get the things done. Like, just keep writing new lists down. And this Momentum Builder. All right, I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 36:59  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 37:00  

You're amazing. We're so grateful for you. I hope you enjoyed we had Clare the last two weeks for the recap, so hopefully you enjoyed that she'll be back for a recap coming up, because she's excited about the guest so once, so you'll hear from her again. But we appreciate you guys letting someone else jump in on these recaps. Sometimes it's for me, sometimes for Brad, and we appreciate that you share this with a friend. So share this with a friend who you're tired of hearing them complain about the thing that they think they're gonna do. They won't know why you did it until this point. So at any rate, until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 37:31  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 37:32  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 38:15  

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Brad Crowell 38:25  

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Lesley Logan 38:32  

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Are you wearing your exhaustion as a badge of honor or staying loyal to a fault? High-performance coach Molly Asplin joins Lesley Logan to unpack why burnout doesn’t always look like a breakdown. In this episode, she explains how treating your recovery like an athlete and recognizing early “orange flags” can keep ambitious women from running on empty. Tune in to learn how to bookend your days, take bold moves while you’re still in the seas

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Why burnout can feel like restlessness and not exhaustion.
• The crucial difference between a high achiever and an overachiever.
• Recognizing the "orange flags" before you hit a breaking point.
• Strategies to pivot careers without immediately quitting your job.
• The simple “bookend” habit that protects your energy daily.

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• Molly’s Free Resource - mollyasplin.com/momentum

Guest Bio:

Molly Asplin is a high-performance coach who helps ambitious women sustain their drive without burning out. A former corporate finance professional, she spent a decade climbing the ladder while quietly questioning whether success on paper truly aligned with who she was. After navigating her own seasons of burnout and transition, Molly built a coaching practice dedicated to helping high achievers recalibrate, pivot with intention, and build lives that energize rather than exhaust them. As an entrepreneur and mom of three, she intimately understands the pressure to 'do it all.' Through her coaching and her podcast, The Modern High Performer (formerly Dream It, Do It), Molly blends practical strategy with mindset work, guiding women to manage their energy like athletes, recognize early “orange flags,” and take bold, aligned action without blowing up their lives. Today, she partners with CEOs, founders, and senior leaders to provide the outside perspective they need to operate well under pressure—proving that true high performance never requires sacrificing your health, your family, or waging a war with your own ambition.

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Episode Transcript:

Molly Asplin 0:00  

Are you loyal to a fault? Like this comes up for a lot of high achievers. They're associating, like, loyalty with strength, and so like, I need to stick this out. I'm a loyal person. I want like approval. I do what I'm saying I'm gonna do, but it it might just be that it's time to recalibrate.

Lesley Logan 0:20  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:02  

Hi, Be It babe. Okay. This is amazing. This interview is amazing. Get your pen and paper out. You're also going to absolutely want something that she is offering you at the end. And I mean it in like, those of you who like a journal, you're gonna like this like a like a planner. Molly Asplin is our guest, and she is an incredible coach for high achieving women, which is very different we talk about, than over achieving. We talk about burnout, we talk about prioritization of self. I really loved how she presented burnout and prioritizing yourself, and like ways to do it. It's different than I know we talked about a lot here, but it's different than we've ever talked about it. So I really am excited for you to hear this. I absolutely think you're gonna share it with a friend. There are some definite signs your friend is going to need this. And so I'm just gonna let us get into it. Here's Molly Asplin. 

Lesley Logan 1:49  

Hey, Be It babe. I am super excited for today's convo, because when I was looking over like, what we could talk about, I was like, oh yeah, preventing burnout. I'm well, we're all in. In fact, I just had, literally had someone asked me, how do you know you need a rest? And I was like, if you were waiting until you need a rest to take a rest, we have a problem. But our guest today is Molly Asplin, and she is amazing. Molly, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?

Molly Asplin 2:12  

I can. I'm so happy to be here, Lesley. I'm a high performance coach, so I, too, am a recovering perfectionist, workaholic. I have beat burnout a few different times, and so I very much connect with what your what your friend just asked you. But yeah, I work with high achieving women who feel like there could be something more or something different in their life. I spent 10 years in corporate finance and was sort of driving to work every morning feeling like, is this really it? And I feel like there's something different for me, and I was getting promoted and moving up in the company and stuff, but I'm like, this, this doesn't feel like me. And so I had to make some hard decisions that sort of felt guilty for me at the time, because I'm like, This is what I'm supposed to be doing. This is what looks really good on paper. It's responsible. But then I pivoted and created, created my own coaching business, and now I really help women just find what they're good at and like, what they really feel like they have a strength in, and either pivot in that direction or, like, do something fulfilling on the side that brings more of that into their life. It might be a career, career transition, or it might just be stepping into more alignment with who they are.

Lesley Logan 3:23  

I love this journey because I feel it feels very familiar. I also want to just like a couple things. I want to point out there's a very difference to an overachiever and a high achiever, right? Like high achieving is not this thing that you have to like stop being or you should feel bad about. Overachieving is kind of like when we do a little, we don't know when enough is enough. 

Molly Asplin 3:43  

Yeah. Like, overcompensating, right? 

Lesley Logan 3:45  

Yes, yes. I also, I also really liked, you know, like, we all go on kind of a journey, and you talked a bit about, like, burnout, like, can you maybe share, like, what burnout looked like for you? Because I think it's a little, I think it's actually very similar for a lot of people, just different clothes, but maybe.

Molly Asplin 4:01  

Totally. So I was not having like, panic attacks or anything like that. I started to feel very restless, and I started to feel like my days were very monotonous and boring, I'll even say, and I started to feel like I was losing my edge, and I'm like, am I just, like, not ambitious anymore, or, like, what's going on here? And, you know, you hear, like, the rat race or the hamster wheel like that, all felt very real to me. And it was just like, yeah, is this really it? And so for me, it came in the form of, like, very mundane, like, I don't think I can do this my whole life. And then it led me to, like, question my ambition, when really I just I needed a change.

Lesley Logan 4:45  

I thank you, because I do think people are expecting the burnout to be a panic attack. They're in bed, they can't do anything. And it can actually be that you could be showing up every day to work, but bored and blah, like not overwhelmed or underwhelmed.

Molly Asplin 5:01  

Like, not alive, and I'm like, an alive person, so I'm like, something, something is up here. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 5:08  

Okay, so then, how do you, I guess, like, so, how do you go from, like, recognizing that you're burnt out to knowing, like, what tools to help? You know, because I do think it's a real question people like, how, like, what? How do you prioritize? How do you not burn out? And it's like, some of the obvious questions are, like, well get sleep and drink some water. But also, like, where do you start? Because once you're in the ditch, it's kind of hard to know where, how to, like, climb out of it. 

Molly Asplin 5:33  

Well and it's interesting Lesley, because as a high achiever, and probably some of your listeners can relate to this, I was like, oh, well, I just need to get the next promotion, or, like, I just need a different job. Like, I start, I just, like, looked outside of myself, and I did some of those things, but then nothing was fixing the problem. I'm like, a few months later, I was like, back in the same cycle, and so I realized, like, I need to go inward on this, and I need to figure out, like, what's really important to Molly, and I so that's really when I went on my own journey of, like, self-discovery. And I started getting more into personal development. I started taking care of myself a lot better, like you said, sleep, water, working out. I, like, started carving out time for myself in the morning, journaling. And those things sound cliche, but like when you I think there is a compound effect with them, and for me, it was probably, like, after six months of doing that, I'm like, I I'm gonna make a transition of some sort, and like, I'm gonna do things, something that's like, way more aligned with my strengths and skills that I really want to use. 

Lesley Logan 6:37  

Oh yeah, I am getting to, like, taking that time to like, who is who is Lesley, who is Molly? Like, I don't, I'm sure most of us haven't taken the time to do that since we were like a child. And even then, when did you have the time? Except when, like, you're a little kid, and they're like, Okay, what color is your hair? Like you're practicing, you know those things, figuring that step out. You mentioned, like, I'll just take another promotion. I resonate with that so much I had to quit a job because I was like, they're gonna promote me again, and I don't have to say no, like, I'm such a high achiever, I'm like, they're gonna offer me this gig, and I'm not gonna, I don't know how to say no, so I'm just gonna quit.

Molly Asplin 7:14  

Well, and high achievers that does come up, they're like, I wish I would just get laid off. Some of them will tell that to me, because they're like, I don't want to do this anymore. But like, I'm not going to decide to do like they wish they would kind of be forced out.

Lesley Logan 7:27  

Here's a sign.

Molly Asplin 7:29  

Yeah, that's a big sign. That's a big one. 

Lesley Logan 7:31  

Okay, so then now that you, like, have gone through the burnout, you've gone the other side. You obviously like, help people with this. What are, looking back, like, what are some things that maybe we could see as, like, orange flags before the red flag of bored or, you know, for some people, panic attacks, like, what are some signs that, like, we're a little bit getting close to the tank is empty?

Molly Asplin 7:54  

Okay, so this is a big one, and usually once I name it, people are like, Oh yeah, I'm doing that, or I have done that, and it's, are you loyal to a fault like this comes up for a lot of high achievers. They're associating like, loyalty with strength. And so, like, I need to stick this out. I'm a loyal person. I want like approval. I do what I'm saying, I'm gonna do, but it, it might just be that it's time to recalibrate. And so that was a big one for me. Like loyalty to a fault. If you find yourself defending what you're doing more than you're enjoying it. But like defending meaning, like you're complaining about it a lot and you're like, but it's really flexible, but how life is.

Lesley Logan 8:36  

Yes, and by the way, this is not your job. It's just two ladies, like, sometimes this is your friends or your family members or your boyfriend or your partner. 

Molly Asplin 8:43  

That's so true, Lesley, and so you'll you'll kind of know, like, now that I'm saying it, hopefully it brings awareness to it, but you'll notice like, wow, I'm really, like, kind of complaining about this, but then I'm justifying it. Maybe it's just time to take the facts for the facts and change.

Lesley Logan 9:00  

Yeah. Oh, that's a good one. Oh, I see that in so many people. I'm like, I definitely, I definitely can remember when I was doing it with the job that, like, I was good at, I was good at, and I probably had I taken that promotion, would still be there, and I'd make good money and have a very secure in air quotes ish job, but I would, I think I would have been bored, but I remember defending, oh, but, like, they have really good health insurance, or oh, but I get to work around these people, oh, I'm learning a lot, and it's like, yeah, at the at the same time, I'm also not sleeping because I'm so stressed out all the time. 

Molly Asplin 9:40  

Yeah. Like, it's flexible, but you're not sleeping, so there's a problem.

Lesley Logan 9:43  

Yeah, not really, but flexible. Okay, I love those. Those are some good orange oranges flags or just some reflection things to be thinking about. So I guess, like, when you were on your journey, was it because you are a high achiever and you had, like, success, in what you were doing, it just was, you know, not exactly. It was like, all there, is this all there is? What was it like to make the switch? Was there uncertainty? How did you like because I feel like a lot of people, the biggest problem with, like, switching to something new is that, like, well, now I'm a beginner, but over here I'm an advanced expert. Like, it's hard to be a beginner again.

Molly Asplin 10:20  

It is. And I mean, I'm a pretty risk averse person, like my background is accounting, like, I'm very analytical, and so I didn't, like make big changes by, like, blowing up my whole world, and like taking this big leap immediately. I did it in a more thoughtful way, which I think a lot of people do relate with. And so what I recommend is, like, starting to take some bold moves, like, while you're in the mundane, the stuck, the orange flags or the red flags, but you can start to make some bold moves. And usually, you know what those are. Like, usually everyone kind of knows, like, oh yeah, I should probably start, like, networking, or talking with Lesley about something, or talking with my, you know, friend who is another high achiever, or I should make a phone call, or I should update my resume, or I should start doing Pilates. Or, like you usually kind of know that, like next bold move, and it's not usually like I'm gonna quit my job tomorrow, for most people, but if you can get in the habit of making one bold, courageous move a day. I do think it, like, keeps the stuck away.

Lesley Logan 11:26  

Oh, and also, like, if you think about that, in 30 in a month of 30 days, that's 30 bold moves. It's kind of amazing. I think we have to do five or 10, and that's impossible, and keep the stuck away. Like, I hope you make a sticker of that. So this kind of brings me to something that you're, like, really known for, which is, like, being her now, which is obviously a very be it till you see it kind of a thing, right? Some of the people I know, they're like, they just want, they want to just, like, cut it and go all the way over. They don't want, you know, but I'm always of the I'm also risk averse, because I didn't. I'm not an accountant by any means, and I'm sure every listener already knows that, but I would rather have a runway and, like, you know, like, a slowly, like, yeah, a little bit of a plan. And also, like, okay, as I have this over here, I can let go of this over here, and as this over here, I can let go and then, and then I can make a leap, right? Like, I don't have to have the bridge fully built, but just enough that I can jump off of it and land on my own two feet would be really great. So I'm a big fan, but a lot of people have a hard time because they're like, you know, I don't want to do this anymore. I want to do this over here. So to me, the being her now would kind of help with that, like, I don't know, would it?

Molly Asplin 12:35  

100% yeah, you need to, like, practice and start acting as if and walking into that right away. You don't need likely, another degree, you don't need more credentials, you don't need more proof, you don't need more time like you really do have to start embodying that and showing up at it as it, and I've had to do that in like every big transition or pivot. It's like, Well, I gotta just step into it and start acting like that, showing up like that, and then all the it's kind of weird. Lesley, you've experienced, I'm sure, and then all of a sudden it like matches, yeah? And you're like, Oh, I'm living out what I kind of wanted to live out.

Lesley Logan 13:14  

Yeah, yeah. It's really, I mean, it's really true. I mean, you know, if you're someone who's like, well, when I have this, then I'll be less busy. It's like, well, if you were less busy, what is something like, what are the things you would do with that time? And then, like, how can you, oh, I would go for a walk around my neighborhood with my dog. Well, how can you just walk up to the sidewalk and back? Like, how can you just start to put that in place and all of a sudden, you know, is that kind of it? Like, it's like, it's like, doing some of the things that that person would be doing.

Molly Asplin 13:42  

Doing some of the things like, I'll have women say, like, Well, I would really like to start a podcast someday. And I'm like, Well, why don't you just start the podcast? They're like, Oh, yeah, I guess I could. It's like, we're waiting for something to arrive when you literally can, like, start it now.

Lesley Logan 13:58  

Yeah, yeah. And if that scares you, you're like, I don't have an editor. You could just go live on something, you know, you could just, you could even, like, make it small and just go live, start going live, and then save the recording so that you have a podcast when you're ready you know.

Molly Asplin 14:13  

Here's another great tactical example, Lesley, I have a high performance client. She's got a great corporate job, and she's like, I really want to get into the self-development space and speak and train. And I'm like, why don't you practice doing that in said corporate job now? She's always like, leading meetings and things. And she's like, Oh yeah, I guess, I guess I could. It's like, practice the skill. Practice like elevating yourself in whatever environment you can right now, because you're going to need that practice for the big stage later anyway. 

Lesley Logan 14:45  

Well, because I mean, like, and I love this, and it's going to sound like common sense when we say it out loud, but also, I think we all need to hear it like when you see someone speak on stage. That's not the first stage they spoke on. They spoke on stages that were much smaller. They spoke on stage with one person. They, you know, they did, they did the thing before they got invited to the big stage. So you definitely don't want your first invite to be the biggest stage you've ever been on. So starting with the audience or the pond you have is a great way to being her now and getting that experience. 

Molly Asplin 15:18  

100% 

Lesley Logan 15:20  

So okay, other ways that you because if you were busy as an accountant and you were high achiever and promoted and all these things, what are some of the ways that you actually made time for being her now to what that like merged into what you're doing now, like, was there some sort of, did you have a whole day to work on this thing, or did you do pockets of time? How did you make this work?

Molly Asplin 15:42  

Yeah, I think if you can. I mean, my accounting job was like, you know, nine to five typically, and I started, like, bookending my day with more of the things that I wanted, like, for me, that was my coaching business. And so I would definitely get up before a corporate job and start kind of doing some of these things that I have, building my social media and, like, growing my network, that kind of thing, and then same thing, like in the evening. And I still, I still do this now with like, sort of extracurriculars that I want to pursue. But, yeah, I think you've got to look at what, what do you need to do in that season to, like, pay the bills, or, you know, keep the job, or whatever. You can still do a good job at that while you start to create something else.

Lesley Logan 16:29  

Yeah, I kind of, I also like the idea of bookending it, because then you get to start your day with something you want, then you go to work. Yeah, you go to work and you aren't thinking about, Oh, I got that thing on my lunch break. I got that thing like you've already done some stuff. You've, like, kicked the ball into another court, or moved the needle a little bit, and then you get to end your day with that, which makes you get out of said job on time so that you can go to the.

Molly Asplin 16:53  

I got a lot more effective at my full time job during that season because I was like, let's do what I need to do at work so that I can get home and build the other thing that I'm excited to build, and then I would always rock it like Saturday mornings, Sunday mornings. You know, it's like, when it when something is yours and it's your baby, or you're wanting to develop it, or try something new, I really think you are excited to do it. I don't think it's like, oh, this other obligation. There's like energy within you that's like, I'm hungry for this pivot or this change. Like, let's see what I can do. 

Lesley Logan 17:25  

Yeah, well, I think, like, if you're going to do something else, we're gonna add one more thing to your plate. You really have to it does need to be energizing. So that's a sign to me. But like, it's definitely something you're wanting to do if it's actually bringing you energy, versus, like, if it is just like, another thing that feels boring, you're probably doing something that sounds good versus something you want to be doing. 

Molly Asplin 17:47  

Correct. Yes, for sure. 

Lesley Logan 17:49  

Okay, so we know that the the recovering over achievers, the high achievers, the perfectionist there's this whole busy badge of honor, or like, I'm so burnt out. Like, there's this like mentality almost, of, like, bragging, you know, like, for a long time it used to be that the like, the there's a the tech bros and the CEO bros, like, I only do two hours of sleep, like, this is, like bragging, of like, how little they took care of themselves. But I actually think I'm, like, on the other side is, like, a lot of people like bragging about burnout, as if, like, they've achieved something and and then we all go, Oh, I know. And, like, we don't go, wow, that is probably not great. What's going on? So how did.

Molly Asplin 18:28  

It's kind of weird that we do that, isn't it? Yeah, like, we don't bat an eye. We're like, oh yeah. Same, busy.

Lesley Logan 18:34  

Yes, I, yes. Like, almost like, cheering it on. What? What is wrong? How do we prevent that.

Molly Asplin 18:42  

I know it's really weird, and I don't, I don't know if it's like that in other countries. Like, I feel like I have friends in Europe, and they're like, y'all like, you Americans are kind of weird. Like, why are you all, like, celebrating that? But it is a problem Lesley, and I think when you actually look at the research, higher performance is driven by, like, a similar cadence as an athlete. Like you can sprint and you can run and you can train hard, but then you better have a recovery day to, like, reset, recalibrate, get your creativity back. Right? And so there's, like, very much the research is there on like, you've got to take, like, a on a weekly basis, a weekly break, and on a monthly basis, another break. And on a, you know, on a yearly basis, the annual vacation, like periods of recharge are really important for a high performer. And you can probably think of people in your life who do that really well, and you will start to notice their energy. And you're like, yeah, she's not talking about burnout, and she's like, crushing it and getting her stuff done and going to bed, and appears to be a great mom, you know, like, you can kind of start to notice it on people, and I started to observe that, and I'm like, that's the edge I want. I don't want, like, the tired, depleted bags under my eyes, like, I want a vibrant, awesome life, and that means, like, I need to rest and take care of myself and recharge. And I can also kick ass on Monday.

Lesley Logan 20:07  

Yeah, yeah. One of the, one of the calls I had today, the girl asked, like, how do you know you need to rest? I think we talked about this meeting, and I was like, I do things for myself every single day, so I don't have to wait until my body shuts down to rest. Like, that's, that's actually, like, that's like, your car, like, if you go all the way down to zero all the time, you're actually going to ruin some tubes and other things like that, right? So you got to, before it's empty, you got to fill it back up. And someone goes every day? That's what they are going to say, every day. I'm like, yeah, every day. And I don't think that I'm crazy. Now, I can, I might be more luxurious with my time, because I don't have certain responsibilities that other people have. But every single day, I'm doing something so that I'm actually before I need a rest, taking care of myself. And I think that that goes to that preventing that burnout badge. It's like, I think we actually need to stop going, oh, yeah, you're burnt out, me too, and start going, Whoa. What are you doing for yourself? Like, what if we all as friends started going, Oh, what are you gonna do to, like, keep that from happening tomorrow?

Molly Asplin 21:16  

Yeah, that's another way to say that is, like, how are you sustaining I had a client who was just like, my goal is to like she was a realtor and kicking butt. And she's like, I want to sustain my energy through all the seasons, and I don't want to get to the end of the busy season and feel like I didn't take care of myself and now my health took a back burner. And I mean, I've seen people like, Lesley, you have a crap ton of responsibilities. I have a lot of respon, I have three young kids, like, I just don't think it's selfish to, like, carve out the time that I need to then be a better mom and a better business owner. It's not. And I also just heard a gentleman say this, and I was like, oh, that's fascinating. He was saying he's like, some some business owner, very successful. He's like, when people tell me that they're so busy, it immediately makes me not want to give opportunities to them, because it's showing me they can't handle what they have in their life. Like, why would I give them more? 

Lesley Logan 22:09  

Yes, oh, I do think that that's really interesting. Yeah, I have, I had, I had someone go, Oh, I know you're really busy. And I was like, Oh, who told you that? And they're like, what it just seems like you really, just seems like you're really busy. I said, Oh, I have a lot going on, but I feel great. Look at me. Look at my two heads. And I'm like, I'm like, intentional about bringing that up, because I'm like, one, people, we make assumptions about a lot of people, and then two we, you know, I I have a full schedule, but it's full of things that I've chosen to do, and I've also there's, of course, there's things I don't want to do in my schedule. It happens to all of us, like, I hate a meeting, but like, got to do them sometimes. But then there's things I do to make sure that, like, I can enjoy the other things I have to do, right? Like, we all have things we have to do so, but I love what that guy said, and I think it's important for us to go, Well, how are you sustaining yourself? Like, oh, how are you doing that? And also, maybe you can talk a little bit like, how, how do you know what you need to do to recharge or to prioritize yourself, or to have self care? Because I think some people think it's going to the spa each week. And I actually think it's like, you know, water, sleep.

Molly Asplin 23:19  

Totally. I think you I think as you practice this, you start to know what's going to make you feel really good. Like, after this podcast, I'm going to go for a run. It's like, I'm ending my day. I'm in Central time, then I got to go get my kids. And I'm like, I know that if I go for like, a 20 minute run after this podcast, I will, like, reset myself for the evening. And it's kind of, like a good, like, reset for, you know, to go into parenthood, and so, but I've learned that because I've practiced it right, and I know, like that actually makes me feel really good. And, you know, for Lesley, it might be meditating or something like, I think you've got to try some of this on. Yeah, it's usually easy, accessible. It's not usually expensive. Like, it's, I don't think it's usually going to the spa, maybe on a monthly basis, if that's your thing, or whatever. But I think for a lot of people, it's so much can be so much easier than they're making it.

Lesley Logan 24:11  

Yeah, I think so. I love that you I love that you brought up that you are going to go for run in the middle of the day, like, as, almost like a switch gears to parenthood. I, you know, like, I, I'm known for having a pretty awesome morning routine, but somebody like, I don't have the time in the morning. Great. Do you have the time at lunch? Do you have the time before? Can you ask the neighbors, parents? Hey, can you do Tuesdays and Thursday I'll do Mondays and Wednesdays. Like, I think, like, we're so consumed with like, I've got to do all of it without that we're not realizing that there's resources around us that we could be using. To go back to that gentleman's point, if people say they're so busy, it means they're not able to handle it also means that they're not able to understand when to say, yes, no. And also, hey, can you do this? So I can do this over here. I can help you here. If you do this here, you know we have resources around us.

Molly Asplin 24:57  

Yes, 100% I agree.

Lesley Logan 25:00  

Okay. So I also want to talk a little bit about, like, maybe we kind of covered a little bit, but also, like, how do you honor your time? Because I actually am quite impressed that you can go for a run the middle of the day. The reason I have a morning routine is because I can't be trusted with, like, the afternoon routine. So how do you protect that time. Like, what did you have to do? Do you have to give yourself a pep talk. Is it just because you know you're gonna feel so good? Like, what does that look like? Because I think some people go, Oh, I'll do it tomorrow. This call just came in. Oh, my mom needs me. Like, you know.

Molly Asplin 25:30  

Yeah, this is such a good question. And I think, I think genuinely, or generally, high achievers are pretty good at, like, time blocking their day and, like, getting their stuff done, you know, if that's what we want to call it. But what I don't think we're always naturally good at is, like, the energy management of that. And so, yeah, in the mornings, I have a morning routine as well Lesley and like that gets me in the state of mind to, like, crush it at work, or to bring the energy. And then I always know like, I'm gonna hit kind of a lull around like noon in my work day. I know that if I can do certain activities in the morning, my energy is like better. It's when I can do like, deep work strategy. Most high achievers are not using their first hour of the work day effectively. You know they're like, input overload, notifications, emails, like social media, Zoom calls, when you really do want to be spending that first hour of your work day doing something more strategic, something more creative, something that you're like, I need to, like, move the needle on this, and I can't just like, squeeze it in the cracks of the day. And so I just started to notice, like, all these trends about my own, like, energy management throughout the day, and I've worked really hard to, like, set up my calendar around that. And I know not everyone has that luxury, but I also work with a lot of corporate clients that I have, and they they'll start blocking out, like, nine to 10am in the morning, and they're like, I'm not no meetings during that time, you know, to the best of their ability. And so I think this is like an edge to almost getting more time back in your schedule, because you you do become a lot more effective. 

Lesley Logan 26:52  

Yeah. I feel I like that you brought up that like the input I can I feel that, because sometimes I will make the mistake of like, well, let me go into Slack before I go do this project. And it's like.

Molly Asplin 27:22  

I know we've all done it. And then you're immediately like, why?

Lesley Logan 27:26  

Why did I do that? What was I doing? Because now my head is over here when I need to be on doing this, and I don't. I actually don't have the creative energy to do this. And so I also want to just like, say, like, it sounds a bit like you got to give your you had to give yourself time to be curious and be on experiment mode, which is where it's hard for the perfectionist, because, like, you're gonna it's gonna take some time to figure out the right schedule for you.

Molly Asplin 27:49  

It will, because everyone's like, responsibilities do look a little bit different if you can't focus, or you're just distracted constantly, like, you do really want to be thinking about these things, because that means, like, yeah, you're spending time doing stuff. But it doesn't sound like it's effective time. And so I just got, I got sick of having days like that, like, that's that's because that's why I've gotten good at this. Because I was tired of, like, letting my days pass by and being like, what? What did I even do? 

Lesley Logan 28:15  

Yeah, yeah. I feel that I had a little extra time yesterday. I was like, wow, this one this week is really nice. I have extra time. And then I, like, looked ahead and I was like, oh, you know what, the next few days are a little full. What else is on the schedule for the rest of this week that I could just, like, do with this? I have energy right now. I've got energy. I've got creativity. I'm going to do that. You know, I could check the email one more time, but that's annoying. Like, I'm going to do that, and then I'm going to just take time to give myself something, because I know the next couple days are gonna be full, and it it took me a long time to get there. I used to have a very I mean, I used to take I used to have clients hour by hour by hour, and then, okay, I could only do this during this time. And it was, it worked. It was a hustle season that I could do. But at one point I was like, okay, when I am her and I get to be more in charge of my schedule. Here's what I want to do with these times. And so then when I had, like, a client late cancel, I was like, oh, during that time, I really wanted to be doing this. So I can go do that now, because I had a plan for it. So I think it's it takes time to get you to know yourself, and then also the seasons, because I imagine where you are the winter changes how you prioritize yourself, than you do in the summer.

Molly Asplin 29:20  

Yeah, it does. The seasons and, like, everyone has work seasons too, right? Like, work seasonality, you know, like, it's a little bit of a slower work season for me right now. It's, it's June and and so I have the ability to go for a run at 4pm that's cool, but that's not always the season. And so I think you just have to kind of honor what it looks like for you, but like, leverage it when you can.

Lesley Logan 29:42  

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and just like, how did you kind of get over the feeling? Like, did you ever feel selfish as you were doing these things? Did you ever feel guilty? Because, like, I'm not a mom, so I don't have mom guilt. But like, every one of my mom friends, it's like, the guilt is real, and I'm always like going, I think that there's like, I think you're not alone. But also, can we, like, ask someone like, what are we doing here? How did you get there, aside from, like, just like, you felt better when you did it?

Molly Asplin 30:12  

I started noticing, like, how much more patient I was with my kids. Like, I learned this very early on. I have three kids now, six, four and two, and I was like, you know, when I work out or when I get up an hour before them, ideally, in the morning, which is what I do most mornings. I am like, I'm ready when they wake up and when I don't, and they're like, my alarm. I'm crabby and snappy and impatient at them. And so, you know, there's this thing, like, you can't pour from an empty cup. Like, I feel like that's all over with motherhood. But it is, it is true. And like, the moment I work with moms on this, they start, like, carving out this time for themselves. They're like, wow. I'm like, such a better mom. I'm like, yeah, I told you, yeah. But it's, it is really real. And listen, there's seasons, like postpartum and where you just, you can't, like you're it's, you know, physically and sleep sometimes it's just, you got to honor those seasons. But once my kids are sleeping through the night, mostly, yeah, like, I don't have any issue being selfish with my time.

Lesley Logan 31:18  

Yeah, yeah. Well, I also thank you for sharing that, and also their ages. I appreciate that, because I think so many people will just make excuses. Oh, well, you know, they're probably older or, Oh, the six. That's a tight schedule there.

Molly Asplin 31:32  

It's rough. It's not always pretty, but even even 30 minutes, right? It's like, start small. It just makes such a difference. When I can hear myself think, ideally, move my body before they are up.

Lesley Logan 31:44  

Yeah, I appreciate you sharing that so much. I just, I have this I want to take away as many excuses from people putting up one more obstacle of why they have to wait or they can't have time in their day for themselves. And it's true, depending on the season you're in, maybe it's 15 minutes maybe, like, my girlfriend had twins, like, like, okay, you know, I was just like, we visited her, and I was like, I was like, don't even look at me. Just like, whatever you need to do. Like, do you want me to like, do I just look at the kid? Do I like, pat a cake? Like, what do we need? How can I actually help you so that you can have some time for yourself? But like, you have to know that that's a very different time than when they're two and when they're four, and then giving yourself greater, like easier expectations of yourself is also just so important. But at some point you have to go, Okay, if they're not infants, right? If they can tell you when they're hungry, what are you doing to make sure that you're you're the you you want to be with them or with your friends or your co workers or your family or anything like that?

Molly Asplin 32:45  

Yeah. And it's almost like the be her now Lesley, like, I just knew, like, if I could work on these things before kids, and then if I can work on those things while my kids are little. And, yeah, it's crazy. Like, well, that your habits transfer with you, you know? And then you can refine and tweak them and adjust them. But I just think the faster you can step into the things you really want to be doing, the better you can get on at it, versus just continuing to kick the can down the road.

Lesley Logan 33:13  

Yeah, I agree. What are you most excited about right now?

Molly Asplin 33:17  

Oh my gosh, I'm excited about so I went through a career transition about six months ago, and when I did it, I was like, you know what? I'm going to make this season more enjoyable than my last? Like, I think with every transition and pivot, we are smarter and wiser, and so I've just, I've been having a lot of fun in this season, like, with girlfriends, and I'm, like, traveling more, and that fills my cup. And, yeah, my youngest is two now, so I'm just excited about having more fun, yeah? Because I feel like there was a few years there where I just wasn't bringing the joy, you know.

Lesley Logan 33:54  

I mean, I think, like, especially when you had then, there had been, like, two and zero, you know, four, two and zero. 

Molly Asplin 34:00  

That was not fun. Not fun. 

Lesley Logan 34:03  

Yeah. So I kind of, I really do love that. And I love that, like, I love the reflection of, like, Okay, that was this. And what I want to bring into this season, want to be more fun. I think we all can even do that with any part of our life, right? Like, when we're recording this, it's beginning of summer, you know, summer solstice seven hasn't even happened yet, but, like, it's like, okay, so what I want the next thing to be? Like, how do I want this to be and then be her now? Like, what would that have to do? You know, we're, we're doing our summer tour. This will already have happened. And I literally said to the team. I said, okay, it can be a bigger tour, but here's what I need, right for that to happen, so that I I can have fun on it too. And it's not just work or, oh, where are the places? You know, you just start to learn things about yourself, and it's okay. I want for Q4 like, okay, it's gonna be a busy travel season. So what do I want to do in between? So I don't feel like I'm just traveling for work all the time, you know, reflection and then planning ahead. You know, these are important. These are things we have to do, things don't just happen to you.

Molly Asplin 35:02  

Yeah, well, and Lesley, that's so smart about planning ahead, like that. That's probably why you do feel so, like, able to recharge on a daily basis because you've planned for it. 

Lesley Logan 35:10  

Yeah. Well, and that's, I mean, like, I learned a long time ago, and I'm sure the same, like, if it's not in the schedule it doesn't get done, right? Like, it's, it's not a to do list thing to me, like, I don't even make to do lists anymore. I have ADHD I'll never look at them again. So I already learned that about myself. But if it's not in the actual schedule, then it won't get done. And so I have to go, Okay, if you want me to write blog posts, or if you want me to write these things, there has to be a block of time in there. Oh, if I want to recharge, what does that look like and like where can it put in the calendar? And if it's not able to get in the calendar, I also have had to learn, like, and this is the recovering people pleaser, you know, like the recovering firstborn daughter who does everything right. Like, what can I actually go back and say, I can't do that today? Can I do it tomorrow? You know? Like, hey. 

Molly Asplin 35:56  

Like setting the boundary. 

Lesley Logan 35:57  

Because sometimes you commit to something and you're like, oh, wow, I could do that today, but it's not gonna be my best work, or it's gonna feel rushed, but if I had if I could do it tomorrow, you know? And so sometimes I just, my husband is the person who gave me the permission. He was like, just ask, or just say, we'll do it we have to do it next week. So sorry. Like, just apologize. And I was like, you can do that. You can, you can just, like, change it, but I can do that. And a lot sometimes you can't, like, sometimes there's deadlines and things are due, but a lot of times I've looked at things going, Oh, we could actually move that to tomorrow. We really, really can't, if we're really honest with ourself, that means we get to do something so well, I'm excited for you. That's something to be really excited about. We're gonna take a brief break and then find out how people can find you and learn more from you and your amazing podcast. 

Molly Asplin 36:43  

Awesome. 

Lesley Logan 36:43  

All right, Molly, where do you hang out? Where? What's your podcast? Where's your website? Where can people learn more from you and work with you?

Molly Asplin 36:52  

Yeah, so you can go to mollyasplin.com that is my website, and shares a little bit more about me there. I'm on Instagram most days. Molly.Asplin. And then I was gonna grab this. I this is a really good for, like, morning routine, your ins and you're outs for, like, the month I fill, I fill it out on a monthly basis, called The Momentum Builder of like, a free printable. And so if you like this kind of thing, I do. 

Lesley Logan 37:16  

Oh, everyone loves this kind of thing. 

Molly Asplin 37:18  

Yeah, it's mollyasplin.com/momentum so and you can just download it there and and print it out, but that does kind of help me. Like, what am I focused on this month? Like, what are the main like, needle movers and the goals? So I think that's helpful.

Lesley Logan 37:33  

I promise you that our listeners love that. Because, first of all, they're always asking, like, what's your favorite? Sorry, that's, that's Bayon and letting us know he's he's here a little in the background. They always like, what's your favorite planner? And I'm like, well, I can't really read my own writing, and I'm left handed, so the binding is just not helpful. But that a printable like that I can work with. 

Molly Asplin 37:53  

Well and then you can do a new one each month, because it's like, okay, wait, fresh start, you know? And you can start in the middle of the month too. You can start whenever. 

Lesley Logan 37:56  

Can start whatever. That's for the perfectionist. You can start whenever. You can start on a full moon, you can start on a new moon, you can start on a quarter moon. I love that so much. And your podcast is Dream It, Do It, correct?

Molly Asplin 38:10  

Yeah, podcast, Dream It, Do It. And Lesley was just on there, so go listen to her interview. But yeah, that's we share a lot of high achieving tips, business tips, things like that, productivity.

Lesley Logan 38:20  

Oh, I love it so much. I know you all are listening to make sure you go check that out. Okay, you've actually given us a ton of great stuff. But I love to end the show on bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us?

Molly Asplin 38:33  

I think, think about the thing that you have said you wanted to do in the future, and, like, try to make a leap for it today. And that doesn't mean like writing it down or talking to your friend about it. It means like actually doing it, like sending the email, hiring the coach, making the phone call, going for a run, like whatever it like, take the actual action, and don't let that get covered up and just like the plans and the thinking about it.

Lesley Logan 39:03  

I like that. I actually, I have a little recent story that help people see that in another way. I had, a year ago, I was like, I'm tired of making up my own gym workouts. Like I have to do, I have to think about people's Pilates workouts, all these things, like, I'm tired of it. And so I started like, thinking, like, thinking, like, do I want to hire a trainer? What do I do? And I found this person online that I really liked, and I was like, okay, I could just hire them, or I'm going to do their workouts that they've posted online. And so I did that for a long time. I was like, oh, I'm getting great results with this. Okay, so now I'm going to work on hiring them. So I, like, build up the application. So like, you know, there's most of these things you want to do, you have to fill out an application or you have to do some sort of thing. And so I did that step, and then she came back to me like, it was like, two weeks later. So it was not like everything happened tomorrow, but it allowed me to have some time and runway with with doing the thing, being her, with the potential trainer, with her work, and then taking the next step. And then she called me back, and then she said okay, we'll start on these two weeks that I was able to plan. Because it wasn't tomorrow. It was like, Oh, it was going to be in two weeks. So in two weeks from now, I can set aside time on my calendar for this I could set aside the money for this investment. I could do all this stuff. And so I think, what a great idea, whatever the thing is you want to do, take an action today. I think that's really, I would think that's a very bold and executable thing you guys could do.

Molly Asplin 40:14  

I love it. I love your example. Lesley, that's spot on.

Lesley Logan 39:04  

Thanks. Yeah, it was. I was like, really, like, okay, really proud of myself. Because sometimes I'm a person who's like, I'm just gonna do it. I like that. But then it's like, sometimes I wonder, like, did I end up the right person? Did I get the right thing? And so I kind of tried it out a different way, like, well, what if I be it till I see it as a person who, like, you know, interviews the person a little bit longer and tries it out and see if yeah, that's how I did it. So you're amazing, Molly. You guys, how are you going to use these tips in your life? Please tag Molly Asplin. Tag the Be It Pod. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it, that friend who's defending the thing they complain about all the time. This is for them. They won't even know that's why you send it to them, until they hear this part, then they're gonna know now it's out, but they'll love you for it, and also go check out the Dream It, Do It Podcast. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 41:11  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 41:54  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 41:59  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 42:03  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 42:10  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 42:14  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

If you have a U.S. passport, you’re carrying a powerful quote by a formerly enslaved woman and may not even realize it. In this episode, Lesley shares the history hiding inside your passport and why the path to freedom—and doing the thing you say you want to do—is rarely a straight line. From taking eight months to finally volunteer to learning how to keep going when schedules don’t align, this episode is a reminder that obstacles don’t mean you should quit.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] mailto:[email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.

In this episode you will learn about:

• The hidden history inside every single American passport.
• How education became Anna Julia Cooper’s path to ultimate freedom.
• Finding patience and self-love during a Pilates reformer practice.
• Why volunteering at the SPCA took eight months to schedule.
• The importance of volunteering and donating to animal shelters.

Episode References/Links:

• Anna Julia Cooper at HerStory - https://beitpod.com/annajuliacooper
• @cordeliamadetomove - https://www.instagram.com/cordeliamadetomove
• Nevada SPCA - https://nevadaspca.org
• ASPCA - https://www.aspca.org/about-us
• Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions

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• Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQ
• Profitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah. 

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:47  

Hey, Be It babe. How are you? Okay. Now, now that I've done one, I think I'm gonna be much more organized on this one. That's my win this week. My win is that I'm more organized for my FYF episodes. No, I'm not. I'm just kidding. This means nothing to you if you missed last week's episode. So if you missed last week's episode, go back and listen anytime. The wins are appropriate to listen to whenever you want. And it's really about really reminding us all that we're actually really fucking amazing. We're doing great things. And if we can't do that on Fridays, when can we do it? Right? I mean, ideally, every day, but let's be real, like life is busy. There's a lot going on. It's really easy just to focus on all the ish that's out there in the world. And what I've come to, like, realize and enjoy is like, I can actually go, Okay, if we take what's going on the world out, like, just put it over on just like, over here, I can actually say I'm doing really freaking great. If we bring it back in, then I'm kind of meh. I'm like, in the whelmed state, overwhelmed sometimes by all that I'm feeling, and then, like, underwhelmed a bit about, like, people's reactions and support. And then we have to go back and do the thing, right? We have to go back and do the thing. So anyways, I'm recording this in February for March. My wins are really gonna be fun for you. I think hopefully you'll see, like, oh, wins can happen in all places. And I got wins from you guys that I want to share and I can't wait, but for that, we have to do something that's quite inspiring about what some woman did, a way back when that we all should be thankful for. and know. Okay, so this is from her story. Feminism. I really like this account, by the way, they come up a lot. I have tried to get them on the show, but that is not going to happen, and that's not because they're not cool. They're really cool. So anyways, did you know the woman quoted in every US passport was born enslaved, and most people don't even know her name. Meet Anna Julia Cooper. Anna Julia Cooper was born into slavery in 1858 in North Carolina. Her mother was enslaved. Her father was almost certainly her mother's enslaver, a reality many black women endured under slavery. After emancipation, she earned a scholarship to St Augustine's Normal School. She fought to take classes reserved for men, because she knew education was her way to freedom. In 1882 she wrote A Voice From The South, one of the major works of black feminist thought, arguing that the progress of an entire nation depends on on the uplift of black women. Couldn't agree more. She became one of the first black women in US history to earn a PhD that was in Sorbonne, 1924 she spent her life educating, advocating for black women and children, becoming a teacher, principal and lifelong activist. Her words, the cause of freedom is not the cause of a race or a sect, a party or a class. It is the cause of humankind, the very birthright of humanity. That quote appears in every American passport today, but most Americans have no idea they're reading the words of a formerly enslaved black woman. I'm just gonna read that again. The cause of freedom is not the cause of a race or a sect, a party or a class. It is the cause of humankind, the very birthright of humanity. And I just think that's most beautiful thing. I think we have so much work to do, but I think in learning history and learning what women before us have done is really important, because things can seem really heavy and big right now, and you just got to keep going. I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure she had to just get, like, one obstacle after the next, and she just kept going. So that's what we're going to do as we Be It Till We See It. 

Lesley Logan 4:07  

All right, time for some wins of yours. So let me grab these, because you guys are so cool. I asked for these a couple weeks ago. You can send them in to beitpod.com/questions anytime. So the same link works for questions or win. Send it in. I want to share your win. You it will come up when you need to hear it. I promise you, it's kind of like a great mantra or a tarot card. It'll just come up at the right moment you need to hear it. So this one is from @cordeliamadetomove. She wrote, my win, sumptuous, mindful practice on the Reformer this morning after a three week break, forgot some of the order, but could laugh at myself rather than chastise. Also taught my mom too, and found I was so patient. Both the above tells me I need a break mentally, and how good it is for me mentally. Bring on more holidays. Next one is to see Lesley in Bruges. Well, we're gonna see each other in Bruges like in two weeks. I'm so excited. See how the timing of this works. 

Lesley Logan 4:59  

Cordelia, you're amazing, and I appreciate this, because I think we have a lot of people who do Pilates who listen to this, and there's so much judgment of every exercise that doesn't go perfectly. Pilates is not meant to be perfect. It's meant to be a practice. And so I love that you got to a place where you could laugh at yourself. I'm so happy for you. It's so so great. So so great. So thank you, Cordelia, for sending your win in. 

Lesley Logan 5:17  

All right, my win. Are you ready for this? It's gonna shock you. Okay, so my lovely win is I, well, this won't shock you at all, but in my effort to be part of my community in a deeper way, and I also just have something else to do also, I just really, I'm trying not to adopt another dog in this moment, because we're quite busy, and I miss the energy of multiple dogs in this house, but the reality is, it's like it's just not where our life is. If we had them already, we would have them and be dealing with it and enjoying ourselves. But introducing another dog, as you know is it takes time, and so I've been wanting to volunteer for the Nevada, Nevada SPCA for a long time, but you have to go to the volunteer meeting, which only happens once a month, and like, it sometimes it's full and it's on a Friday. And, like, of course, most of the time it was on a Friday that I wasn't in town, versus all the Fridays that I was on town. So it was getting kind of frustrating. But the first Friday I could go to was in January, and so we went to that meeting. That's great. Then I went in person to get my badge and all my stuff, and then we went to the dog walker training, and that is what I can say I've completed. I'm so excited, because what I really want to do is just go walk the dogs, get them out as much as as they can, as much as my time allows. And we're approved to take dogs out on a little foster trip, field trip. Because if you haven't noticed, I'm going to be doing some reels of dogs that are having a hard time getting adopted. I feel like, you know, if I adopt one dog, I get to save one dog. But if I can get, if I can be part of what the Nevada SPCA is doing to get more dogs adopted, then like, my goodness, I feel like that will hopefully scratch the itch of me have another dog, and if there's one I fall in love with, well then that's what's going to happen. But my ultimate goal is like, this is for this year. This is really participate in helping get these dogs a loving home. The Nevada SPCA is really great. They don't take any government funding. So if you want to donate to somebody who's taking care of dogs in a great, amazing way, I really love them, also your local SPCA, go check it out. Go tour the facility. Go see if they need help. The local ones actually need your help more than the big one. So it goes a long way. OPC actually donates to the Nevada SPCA every quarter. So I have some exciting things that I want to do with them this year, just being on time. But I'm just really proud of myself because I wanted to volunteer, and then I wanted to do it in a way that I could participate, in a way that filled my soul, but also help them out. And so I just want to say, That's my win. That's my win this week. It took me about eight months to get it, to get my schedule to do it. But you know what? You just have to keep going. And that's the thing. I think people don't realize, right? With a goal or a thing that they want to do, they get to an obstacle. Like, truly, I saw all the different volunteer meetings. I just couldn't go. And I, instead of going, this is never gonna work out. I should just do something else, or I'll just get more money. Like, No, I'm just gonna keep checking the dates until I can go. And we all want things to happen sooner than than they are happening, but they won't ever happen if you just, if you stop. So that's that's that, right? 

Lesley Logan 8:09  

All right, my loves now for your mantra. What are we drawing up today? Here it is. I trust my instincts completely. I trust my instincts completely. I trust my instincts completely. You're a badass. You're amazing. Thank you so much for listening to our show. Oh my god. You know what I never have done. I haven't done. We'll have to do a formal thing on this. We are celebrating. We are the last time I checked, we were in the top 1% of all podcasts. That's because of you. Thanks so much. Couldn't do that without you. Literally every download, every download helps, every review helps, every time you share with a friend helps. So please keep doing it, because it allows, as the show gets bigger, it's gonna allow us to get bigger guests. Like, I've had some great recommendations for guests from you guys. I love them. Hate to say it. We have to be like in a top point five. So get your friends to listen to the pod so we can get those amazing guests on and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 8:59  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 9:42  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 9:47  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 9:51  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 9:58  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 10:02  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Looking radiant might have less to do with makeup and more to do with how you care for yourself every day. In this recap, Lesley Logan and special guest co-host Clare Solly break down the advice shared by double board-certified aesthetic nurse Rachel Varga. They explore how simple rituals, nervous system support, and intentional self-care can transform both skin health and your overall wellbeing. From hydration and breathwork to lymphatic massage and shower routines, this episode highlights small habits that can create powerful results.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] mailto:[email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Why daily skincare routines can become powerful acts of self-love.
• Activating your parasympathetic system to boost natural beauty.
• A simple salt scrub hack for better sleep and skin.
• How posture and humming instantly regulate your nervous system.
• The importance of filtering your water for hair and health.

Episode References/Links:

• Contrology Pilates Conference (Wroclaw, Poland) - xxll.co/poland
• Pilates Workshop (Bruges, Belgium) - xxll.co/brussels
• Pilates On Tour® (London, UK) - xxll.co/pot
• OPC Spring Training (Virtual Event) - opc.me/events
• 30-Minute Biohacking Video for Skin - https://www.theschoolofradiance.com
• Rachel Varga Website - https://theschoolofradiance.com (Discount Code: Use LesleyLogan15)
• The School of Radiance Podcast – https://theschoolofradiance.com
• HigherDOSE Red Light Shower Head - https://www.google.com/search?q=https://beitpod.com/higherdose (Code: BALANCEDDOSE for 20% off)
• Self-Love Ep 640 - https://beitpod.com/ep640
• Self-Love Ep 641 - https://beitpod.com/ep641
• Jessica Valant Podcast - https://jessicavalant.com/podcast

If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSI

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Check out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper’s Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipment

Be in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlist

Be It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-survey

Be a part of Lesley’s Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/

FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/

Resources:

• Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-g
• Lesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/
• Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQ
• Profitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

And she said, look, the best makeup doesn't work on bad skin, so your best thing you could be doing for looking beautiful is to have a really good skincare routine. 

Lesley Logan 0:14  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:56  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, well, not. 

Clare Solly 1:02  

I totally could be. 

Lesley Logan 1:05  

Well, you are my slingshot friend. So my my co-host and my part time co-host in life, Clare Solly and I are going to dig into the vital convo I have with Rachel Varga in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one. You have no idea the number of tools you I have to listen to it twice. I'm definitely already re-listening to it because I took one of her ideas from this episode. I have been doing it every day ever since. I'm like, okay, I'm ready to add in a new one from that. So I definitely think it's one you'll go back to. 

Clare Solly 1:36  

Yeah. I took notes, copious notes. 

Lesley Logan 1:38  

I was like, okay, thank God, because Brad would love this. But like, the like I said last week, the timing of you being here so you could be my co-host on this episode, way more fun, way more fun, because you and I have shared so just when you're here, you're like, oh, did you know if you spray this, like antibacterial stuff on your armpits, and then you're deodorant, it lasts longer. And I was like, life has changed. I don't even know how to start that process, but I'm going to. 

Lesley Logan 2:00  

Anyways, we are gonna jump right into things. Today is March 12th, 2026, it's Girl Scouts Day, everyone. 

Clare Solly 2:07  

I love Girl Scout cookie. 

Lesley Logan 2:09  

I told Clare. I was like, do you know it's Girl Scouts Day? She's like, are you serious? I'm like, yeah, it is. So steal your resolve. Dieters, beware. This is obviously like, pre you know, body neutrality. There are Girl Scouts everywhere, and they're all trying to sell you kryptonite, aka their most delicious cookies, whether your favorite flavor is minty Thin Mints or googie, gooey, gooey, Gooey Tagalongs.

Clare Solly 2:31  

Those are my two favorites, both the googie and the Gooey Tagalongs.

Lesley Logan 2:35  

I love a Thin Mint. If I could have gluten and dairy, I would be all over these Girl Scouts of America. I'm just saying in the year of our Lord.

Clare Solly 2:43  

They do make a gluten free cookie, but it's not. 

Lesley Logan 2:45  

Well on the year of our Lord 2026 I think you could find a way to make a gluten free cookie in Vegas, there's a brewery who does Girl Scout Cookies with beers. And they like do a whole thing. It's like, I don't know, Google it Vegas. I don't know where it's at, because I can't drink beer or have these cookies, but I do know that I sent all the men in my life to do it, and they had the best time. They're so good. They deserve a holiday, and they have one of sorts get ready to celebrate this March 12, because it's National Girl Scout day, part of Girl Scout week. National Girl Scout Day commemorates the anniversary of the first girl scout meeting. In 1912, Juliette “Daisy” Gordon Low organized the meeting. That's a that's a name that's a definitely sign of the times. Gordon Low organized the meeting in Savannah, Georgia, and Girl Scouts have only grown from there. So grab a cookie or 12 and get ready to celebrate. Honestly, buy them even if you can't eat them and give them to people.

Clare Solly 3:32  

You can, yeah, you can actually donate them to soldiers and and folks like on their website too. Yeah, it's easy. And actually you can just donate money to help Girl Scout troops.

Lesley Logan 3:41  

Because that would allow Girl Scout troops, of all areas, to be able to join in and do what they want to do.

Clare Solly 3:46  

When I was a daisy through a senior Girl Scout, it really changed out my life. So I'm a Girl Scout supporter.

Lesley Logan 3:52  

I love that. I, you know, Girl Scouts weren't a thing for me. Because I think I don't know. I might I think, because my I was already over scheduled as a child. 

Clare Solly 4:00  

So many sports. 

Lesley Logan 4:01  

I have sports, dance, sewing classes, but, and I was in like, a church version of the whole thing, which still had patches. And you know what? I'm just gonna say, I missed out. I missed out. I think that's why I probably don't have as many girlfriends. 

Clare Solly 4:12  

We could be a we could be adult Girl Scouts. 

Lesley Logan 4:14  

Is there a way to do that? Anyways, I want patches. Do you remember? Okay, hold on side note. Do you remember Troop Beverly Hills? 

Clare Solly 4:20  

I love Troop Beverly Hills. Such a good movie. 

Lesley Logan 4:23  

The best movie, like, the opposite of, like, oh my god, her outfits. Beverly Hills, what a thrill. Beverly. And they do, and like, I love how they made up their own patches. Like, I just like, that was a, that's a be it till you see it movie. I mean, yes, that's your like, no one's crying for the rich girls. But also, like, I liked what they did. They got outside, they tried to do things, and I hope it ages well, sorry if it doesn't, okay. So real quick I leave next week for Poland, so if there is space is not too late, xxll.co/poland it's me and Karen Frischmann and all the Controlology stuff and some really epic workshops. And even if you're not Polish, you can come because Karen and I will speak in English, and it'll be translated to Polish, and so you have double the time to write your notes, and then we'll be in Bruges. And I thought we're in Brussels. So this is why Brad travels with me, because I've been telling everyone to be in Brussels and we are going to be in Bruges. So.

Clare Solly 5:13  

It's good to have, everyone needs a Brad.

Lesley Logan 5:15  

Everyone needs a Brad. And when I told my psychiatrist, the reason I didn't think I had ADHD is because I was an Aquarius. This is a this is evidence.

Clare Solly 5:24  

I love this for you, though. 

Lesley Logan 5:25  

I know xxll.co/brussels to get your tickets to Bruges. It's still in Belgium, so I didn't fuck it up that much and and so it's gonna be a really fun time. That's Karen Frischmann and myself and Ignacio and Els of Pilatal. And it's just gonna be a wonderful time with some friends who love to teach alongside each other, and you're gonna want to come because the spots are almost sold out. And then after Brad and I finally get to France, that's the goal. It's been a set time with the second honeymoon. We'll be in London, and they'll probably be the last time in London for a couple of years. So, xxll.co/pot. Actually can see all the POT's from Balanced Body on that schedule. The only one I'm excited to teach at right now that I can share is London, so you want to come. My first workshop is sold out, but the second one has a couple spots left, and that's on a Sunday, so why not? And then when I come home, we'll be doing spring training. That is a virtual week long event where, no matter your Pilates level, we are going to help you understand the foundations to getting Pilates deeper in your body. It's at opc.me/events. Okay, Clare's taken over the the questions, and so it's like, what is Clare gonna ask me?

Clare Solly 6:27  

They're always kind of fun and kind of scary. So today, you're gonna get a multiple choice. Are you ready for that? 

Lesley Logan 6:32  

I'm ready. 

Clare Solly 6:33  

Would you rather be able to teleport so you can go anywhere at any time in an instant? Would you rather have six more hours in the day, and it won't feel like your day's any longer. It's just like you'll have six more hours to get all the stuff done, and everybody else will be on 24 or would you rather have, like, an on call body technician to like massages, do your hair, do your makeup, you know, anything you want that like, is self-care, body stretch you out, anything. What of those three would you rather have?

Lesley Logan 7:01  

Well, instant, my first gut before I heard the second two would have, I would hit the buzzer, but like, teleport, because that's like the problem. I want to just teleport. I hate the time, like, in between things. But when you got me to the third one, it was the on, like the body technician, like I do. I am jealous that, like, these amazing, famous people have, like, someone who, like, does their hair, does their nails, like, I have to do my makeup, and I hate the lighting in my bathroom where my makeup is I realized I could just switch bathrooms, but, like, no, the annex is the bathroom, so I but I just want someone to do that for me, because I look so good when someone else does it. Like Cynthia Rivo, her team is amazing, right? Like, obviously she has good, like aesthetic and like, lens and style, but like, that's what happens when you have an on call team. So I think I have to do number three.

Clare Solly 7:47  

Yeah, yeah, that's a good one. I don't know which. 

Lesley Logan 7:49  

Also, if I could be doing, like, if someone's doing my hair, I could be actually getting other things done. So I think I would like solidly fix number 3.

Clare Solly 7:56  

We know how you like to multitask on this pod. 

Lesley Logan 7:59  

What would you choose? What would you choose? 

Clare Solly 8:01  

I even though I think I would like the on body technician, I think I would take teleport. Because if I could save the time in traveling, I think I would just like, I mean, I like, you can kind of hear it like I've been traveling for two weeks. So I'm like, travel makes me if I don't hydrate enough, I, you know, don't do so well. So I think I would take teleport. What do you think Brad would do? 

Lesley Logan 8:21  

Brad? Brad would teleport in a second? 

Clare Solly 8:23  

Would he? 

Lesley Logan 8:23  

Yeah, in a second. 

Clare Solly 8:24  

Okay. Well, we'll have to see. Maybe he can put it in the show notes and confirm that for everybody listening. 

Lesley Logan 8:28  

Yeah, put it in the show notes, go read the show notes to see if I got it right. We'll put it in there. If you don't know how to find the show notes, I can't help you know what device you're on. But like usually, if you go to the episode, then you can click, there's a link for the show notes. Or if you go to our website, you actually can see every single podcast has a blog and a transcription. So if you want to read what we're saying, because I talk too fast.

Clare Solly 8:47  

And then you can binge everything too, all the podcasts you missed. 

Lesley Logan 8:50  

Everything is there, still there you know. So however, you like it. Okay. 

Clare Solly 8:53  

Should we talk about Rachel Varga now?

Lesley Logan 8:55  

Before we do that, you need to also send your questions in, because Clare can't be here every week to be the question asker, so go to beitpod.com/questions you can also send your wins in. I share those on Fridays.

Clare Solly 9:07  

Oh, fantastic. I love this. I love it. You can also text them right, to 1-310-905-5534.

Lesley Logan 9:15  

Yeah. Someday I'll remember that number, and then I'll become like, who should we call on emergency? And I'll be like, that's the one I know.

Clare Solly 9:22  

Why? Is it your own voice?

Lesley Logan 9:27  

You know what, here's the thing, I'm gonna die when I actually put that number down for Brad, and they're like, I got your customer service team is like, look, I'm calling your customer service. You can call mine.

Clare Solly 9:38  

Okay, now let's talk about Rachel Varga. Rachel Varga is a double board certified aesthetic nurse specialist who has been practicing since 2011, created skin care products and hosts The School of Radiance Podcast. As a traditionally trained esthetic nurse, she's performed thousands of rejuvenation procedures on patients, including peels, lasers, injectables and assisting with surgery. After years in traditional medical aesthetics, she incorporated biohacking longevity practices and home care routines that make a significant long-term difference. Then you can see it in Lesley already, and it's been short term. Her overall mission is to help people both look and feel their best.

Lesley Logan 10:19  

Oh my gosh. Okay, so here's the deal. She's been on this podcast for a second time. Probably have to have her back, because there's like, so many tools in my mind, too, but I really was like, peppering her with, like, do I need to, like, derma plane? Do I need to do this kind of thing, like, anything? I was like, What about the Gua Sha? Should I do this X, Y and Z? So I'm going to tell you right now. We can't get into all the things, because she said it best, and she's the expert. 

Clare Solly 10:40  

Yeah, just listen to the podcast and take notes. 

Lesley Logan 10:42  

But I will say, so what I love that she said is, like, self-care, particularly your morning and evening rituals, are an act of self-love. And if you don't know what self-love is, go listen my self-love series, it came out in February. But like, I think that that is a lot of people are like, trying to find the new the right mascara or right foundation color, but truly, like when I got rid of my fake lashes, and I was like a mole rat with, like, no lashes, like alopecia on my eyes. No offense to people with alopecia, but like, it was like, a shocking difference from having zero. And the girl was helping. I said, you have to teach me to do my makeup, because I've had fake lashes for five years, so I've just never done it, and she said, look the best makeup doesn't work on bad skin, so your best thing you could be doing for looking beautiful is to have a really good skincare routine. Now, luckily, I did do that, because I'm a Californian afraid of wrinkles, all that stuff, but like, so I was like, Okay, so I'm halfway there. And so I couldn't agree with her more about like your evening and night routines are part of the of the self-love that you can give yourself, and also, like she gave you in that episode, so many ways of doing things for free or for low cost money. And then she stressed the importance of of engaging the parasympathetic nervous system so your body's rest and regenerate mode. Ladies, like, if you are not sleeping, you're not digesting. If you're not digesting, you're not absorbing stuff. You're getting high cortisol. That is not fun in the perimenopause. So it's not fun. 

Clare Solly 12:09  

Start those practices now.

Lesley Logan 12:10  

So I you should. And if you're already in it, and you're like us, like if you owe it to yourself to try out something, one thing at a time, trying to do all the things at a time to really help you intentionally drop into your parasympathetic of the nervous system.

Clare Solly 12:22  

Well, and to piggyback on that, like, do one thing at a time, even though you're like, I mean, I took notes and not like, and I know you did too. And like, all the things, try one thing at a time and give it like, a week or two to see if it's actually working for you. Because if you do five things at once, I mean, yes, we want you to, like, give yourself all the self-care you can. 

Lesley Logan 12:39  

You won't know what's working. 

Clare Solly 12:40  

You don't know what's working.

Lesley Logan 12:41  

And then you can't drop it off. And then you're gonna freak out like, oh my god, I can't take this on the plane. I can't do this. So I was on a podcast with Jessica Valant, her her podcast, and she was asking about, like, when I travel, how I take care of myself. And I'm like, because when I'm at home, I'm so good about knowing all the different things that work for me. I know what I can do when I travel and what I can't get away with. I'm not experimenting on a trip, you know, so but you have to do one thing at a time. And she said, the more relaxed you are in the parasympathetic state, the more beautiful you are going to be perceived as. And that is so true. I don't ever see someone walking around stressed out, going, look how pretty she is. You're kind of like, oh my god, that woman scares the hell out of me. Like, but we like, see these people who look so calm and confident. It's like, oh, because they're parasympathetic nervous system, it's like, totally taking, like, getting it what it needs. 

Clare Solly 13:27  

Well, and two of the easiest way to help. It's the Wonder Woman pose that, like, was big a couple years ago. You know, the little the little girl next to the bull, put your arms on your and your shoulders back and down, and like, already, like, if you're watching on YouTube, you can see, like Lesley and I just became 10 times more beautiful. 

Lesley Logan 13:42  

Yeah, adjusted ourselves in our chairs. You totally do. 

Clare Solly 13:45  

It posture does so much for you and like and it does actually do something to your heart and makes you, like, radiate, and opens up your chest and your body, and then humming. Like, honestly, if you're nervous about anything, it will also help you regulate. This is I'm a trained singer, so like that. And Brad can probably like recount this too, but just humming to yourself, even if it's quietly, even in the car, if you're traveling to something that you're nervous about, just hum.

Lesley Logan 14:09  

Also just inhale for five counts and exhale for five counts. So the perfect breath is between 10 and 11 seconds long. And if you just go inhale and count and exhale and count, you can, I can feel myself even just talking about it, like, drop in. There's also a way that you can breathe. You do two inhales, one exhale, yeah, and that's an instant reset as well. 

Clare Solly 14:30  

Yeah, all the breath work, all the breath work. 

Lesley Logan 14:33  

I know. So I mean, like, you might even have tools that you used to do, and we haven't brought them up, and you haven't done them in a while. And I would just say it's worth it to do because, like, like, my, my Sephora girl said, I can teach you all the makeup tips in the world. But if you are tired and stressed out, and your skin is not, you know, shining and glowy like it, it won't be as wonderful. And we're talking about beauty like, beauty is skin deep. I think it's really, truly, like how you take care of of the skin that you're in, then whatever you apply to that is gonna be better. Doesn't have any makeup. It could actually just be, maybe don't wear any makeup. But like, just taking care of yourself is gonna be a really nice, wonderful thing.

Clare Solly 15:11  

And also just like, again, gut check when you're like, when something feels like it's too much for you, or, like, too long of I mean, take care of yourself in any way you can. But if it's too long of a commitment or too difficult for you to resource the things, like, don't like, it's not, it's not going to help you.

Lesley Logan 15:26  

No and real quick, I'll just say one of the things that I have been doing from this talk, because everyone talks about Epsom salt baths, and like, because, like, you know, I'm perimenopausal and like, inflammation, all these things and like, my joints were bothering me, and everyone's like, Epsom salt bath. Are you kidding me? My bath is set up as a cold plunge. I can't have a cold plunge Epsom salt bath. So I was just like, and I'm not a bath person. Like, the cold plunge is easy, because I can drop in, I wake right up, right? But like, a bath, it's kind of like that, like you just said, it takes more time than I want to give it. And so, like, the like, it just doesn't feel like doable, right? Who's going to take a five minute hot bath? First of all, it takes 15 minutes to load the tub up, right? And I'm in Vegas, and they check our water. So at any rate, she said, you don't even need to do an Epson salt bath. She said, get some oil, avocado, or, like, I think human sesame, but, like, single source oil, put it on your body in the shower. So I get a hot shower on me. I put the oil on, and then I just take a bag of Epsom salt bath. I put my wet hand in it. It's covered in Epsom salt, and I just scrub. And she was very clear on the episode. We're not. 

Clare Solly 16:26  

I was gonna ask you about that. So as you said you were doing it. 

Lesley Logan 16:28  

I do it. I don't do it every single night, just because it is a drier climate here, but I do it like at least every other night. But if I'm having, if I had a more stressful day, I'll just do it anyways, even if I did the night before. So arms, legs, and I, first of all, I don't even need to put lotion on afterwards. Your skin is so soft. It's like, we went to the Korean spa and, like, they took off the skin so so soft. And I sleep like a baby. You get all the benefits of the Epsom salt bath without having to take the bath. And then it all just washes down the drain. So real quick, we have a bag of Epsom salt on subscription. So it comes, it's a wonderfully sourced Epsom salt, and then we took those, like, restaurant like, like, mustard squeeze bottle, and we just poured a bunch of oil in it. It's in the shower, and it's just, like, easy, easy. And you walk out so clean, and I have a bath to clean afterwards.

Clare Solly 17:15  

And what I really loved was her skeptical on a lot of these, like, I loved that you were, like, asking about all these tools. And she was like, well, and she, like, she had opinions on all of them. You like, you could hear it. But she was also like, yeah. And I, like, I loved that she, like, gave you different things to do, like, you asked her about face yoga, and should you do it? And she was like, No, do the lymph node things. And like, automatically I was starting to do that. And like, and, you know, press things. And it felt so much better. Like, and I like that she also, like, gave you things like, you know, was the was the lady who did the thing on the one side of her face, like, didn't actually work. She's like, well, it could be that because, because she sleeps on that side, and because she, like, she dries and gets sun on that side, things you don't think about. 

Lesley Logan 17:57  

I know she's like, she had a healthy skepticism that made me go, oh, okay, she's like, I'm watching it, and I know that there's like, fake stuff out there. But also, like, I don't know, like, my girlfriend does this, like, brushing to her face, and it her face looks so good so, you know, like, but it's that lymphatic drainage stuff, I don't know, like, so. 

Clare Solly 18:16  

Oh and lymphatic drainage is something like, I'm convinced that's actually why I have this little bit of a head cold right now because I had like, a massage with, like, massive lymphatic (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 18:23  

If Rachel is listening to this, she's gonna send us a link of, like, what you should be doing. 

Clare Solly 18:26  

Oh, please, please Rachel, please send it. Please, please, like I would listen to you and like I'm following you and I'm doing all the things. But I loved that, like that just working out, like things that you do and adding to your normal routine. I think you mentioned, like, can I do the massage while I'm putting on my facial lotion? And she was like, yes, absolutely.

Lesley Logan 18:45  

Is that great? Because you're already doing it. You're already doing your skincare. And you can, just like, make sure your hands are nice and moisturized, and you can do the things. I'm like, if you're watching this, I'm like, doing the things. And, like, it really does make a massive difference.

Clare Solly 18:57  

Yeah, it does. It does well and make sure your hands are clean and moisturized, not and just like, you've had French fries and you're like, oh, there's some (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 19:05  

Like, let's not, let's not make it, let's not it's like they no good deed goes unpunished. Like, don't fuck up. We don't, like, clean your hands. I think people need to wash their hands more. But anyways, I couldn't agree more. And I just thought, like, I just keep going back to, like, self-care is, like, such a self act of love. And like, I mean, we always think, oh, I should go get a facial. Oh, I should go get a massage. And think you could be doing like, little massages to yourself. 

Clare Solly 19:28  

Yeah, yeah. I mean, again, not after French fries, but like at the stoplight, while you're driving in your car. You could do something like quick, like knuckle Gua Sha on yourself, press those lymph nodes in your in your clavicle, and release things. 

Lesley Logan 19:39  

Oh, yeah. I love this one girl online, she like, shows you, like, okay, clear your things. And I'm like, whenever I see her, I'm like, let's just clear them. Like, what are we doing here? And I feel like mine are so tight, no wonder, like, my eyes are always so puffy.

Clare Solly 19:48  

Oh yeah, yeah. So so many good tips that she had. And I love that you were like, I felt like you were asking the hard questions. And then one thing that I'm fascinated with is the energy in your fingertips. Like, I want to read more about that. I'm like, my fingers are magic. 

Lesley Logan 20:03  

I know the visualization of me is like, oh, does that mean like, I have, like, little like, I want that. What a super power. Like, then you can just, like, someone who annoys you just walk by and, like, shock them. 

Clare Solly 20:22  

So good, so good. 

Lesley Logan 20:23  

Yeah. But, you know, I really so one of the things, like, she's so educated, and obviously the way you can do Botox and things like that, like, she's not any anti any of that stuff, but I really appreciate her honesty. Like, you could also try these things first, if you're, like, not interested in the injectables and but then also, don't just go buy anything that says it's, like, better than Botox. Like, yeah, you know, it's just, I just appreciate like, she's like, you can spend good money in good places, and you could waste it, or you could use your own hands. 

Clare Solly 20:48  

Yeah, well, and, like, I mean, you and I talked about Gua Sha, I think, like, a year ago, and you were like, you have to do this. And I started doing it, and I was good for like, two months, and then I'm like, oh, and I travel, and I forget to take my Gua Sha or, Oh, I'm, you know, you know, off doing whatever and forget to Gua Sha, but my fingers are always attached, and I can't use that as an excuse. 

Lesley Logan 21:08  

I agree, and like, I still like my Gua Sha, but also, it's not always where I am, you know, like it's or it's I found, like I almost want a Gua Sha in the shower, because I'm in the shower already, you know, like I'm already there, but then, like, I have dropped a Gua Sha, don't do that. Then it cracks, and you don't want to scratch your face, so, like, it's so I kind of like that, if I forgot my Gua Sha, if I can't travel with it, if I'm asleep, I could still do it, you know, like, because I think a lot of us look for an excuse of why we can't do something. You have, you know, you have your hands. If you have hands, and if you don't have hands, then teach someone to Gua Sha you.

Clare Solly 21:43  

Oh, and you said the thing, sorry, I'm circling back to the thing that you said about the like the cold well, she said something about the cold plunge, like you should rinse off at the end of you can stand it. And I am a person that likes the water so hot that it burns my skin when I'm in the shower. 

Lesley Logan 21:55  

I agree with you, because I think that's effective. 

Clare Solly 21:57  

I love a hot, hot shower. I love a hot shower. And I know she was saying she, you know, prefers a shower in the morning. I'm a night person because I like to, like, calm down and cool down and, like, it makes me sleep better. But here's a tip for somebody like me that is, like, afraid of the cold water. I turned down my hot just a little bit so I have, like, room temperature water, and I'll do that for a couple of showers, and then slowly, like, turn down the heat a little bit more, a little bit more. 

Lesley Logan 22:22  

Yeah, I so there's a lot of studies on, like, women's temperature for cold plunge. And so I, you know, like, our cold plunge is set 50. I mean, like, I'm sure men will say that Brad should have it colder, like, he doesn't like cold, like, it's not good for his constitution. So 50, 50, is fucking cold. I'll just say that. And I we use it in the morning as a such a great way to, like, wake up. Like it is, like, better than coffee, like it's you do. You can, like, be hung over and get in that fucking thing, and you are not hung over anymore. You're like, okay, it's not going over my head, it's not going my face, but, like, I get up to my neck and shoulders. I do it for a few minutes. It's enough. I like the routine of it. I like the way I'm starting the day. Like, hello. Like, let's go. But we used to do cold showers. And I will just say, those suck. Those are so miserable. But obviously, like, not everyone can have a cold plunge. So I think that you have to figure out what works for you. And I will say, like, the act of doing something that's uncomfortable does allow me to be in more discomfort on most days, not on my worst days, but like on my best days. Discomfort happens things. And I because, like, kind of trained my mind, like I can handle this only a few minutes, like, not a big deal. It does translate. So I think even if you're not doing it for like, the aesthetics of it or the biohacking of it, like, there's reasons to do it. But I also, like to me, the shower needs to burn my skin. I want to be a red I want to be a lobster. I tell Brad, I'm like, it's killing the germs. He's like, That's not it. I'm like, it's gotta be doing something there's never too hot of a hot shower for me. I am, like, just so.

Clare Solly 23:52  

I'm a lizard. I just want the hot. 

Lesley Logan 23:54  

Yeah, what he used to do is, like, get in the shower at like, the middle, and then, you know, get himself wet at that, like, more like, room temperature water, and then, like, dip it down to a cold that he could tolerate, and then he would do it. That is too long of a commitment, but, hey, you know, but that that's how we're different. 

Clare Solly 24:13  

That's how we're different, yeah, and it's good to talk about these things and things that, like, work for you and don't work for you, and try things.

Lesley Logan 24:18  

I think it's so funny because the internet's like, you must do this. It's the best thing for, like, the belly fat or the cortisol or the menopause or whatever. If you don't like it, don't do it. Like, oh my god, you know, like, there's so many tools out there, and they might have worked for someone. They don't have to work for you. And then also, like, Whatever happened to like, if it doesn't work for you, it's okay for it to work for someone else. Don't you? I just feel like, you know, we don't have to be the same.

Clare Solly 24:43  

Yeah, well, and your body changes too. Like Rachel was saying, like, some of the things that you'll do, and that she suggests, your body will actually change while you're doing it. And so maybe the thing that you're you start doing today isn't going to work for you in a year. And so, you know, just, you know. Find a new thing. 

Lesley Logan 25:00  

I know I had to change my skincare line after 40 I found a really great one that I love, but, like, the stuff I was doing before, just like, stopped being great. That's okay. It's not there's nothing wrong with the line. It just wasn't right for me. And like, oh my god, you know. So if you love your Gua Sha, keep doing it. But if you if you hate your cold plunge, don't. Find something else that like challenges your body a different way? 

Clare Solly 25:22  

Yeah, absolutely. Let's talk about the Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo? I know I took away two crucial foundational elements for overall health and skin, drink 1.2 to 2.5 liters of water daily. One of my hacks for this, I actually, when I'm setting up my coffee at night, I put a cup of water by the coffee machine so I don't even have to fill it up. It's ready when I wake up, and I like, I'm just like, I dummy proof it like I drink my cup of water while I'm waiting for the coffee to brew. And then I'm gonna start doing this. I'm gonna put a pinch of salt in it. I actually put magnesium drops in mine, because I drink them all day long, because, like, your bottled waters, like Perrier and those mineral waters that are European have magnesium in them. So I get my magnesium that way too, although they say magnesium is best absorbed through the skin. So I could just be doing it for fun. 

Lesley Logan 26:19  

That's why the Epsom salt thing is so good. 

Clare Solly 26:21  

Yeah, I'm gonna try that. 

Lesley Logan 26:22  

I'm telling you tonight, since you have one more night here, yes, put it in your bathroom. You're doing it. We're gonna do all the magnesium, and then make sure that water is filtered, whether you're putting it on your body or in your body.

Lesley Logan 26:33  

Yeah, guys, find a shower filter. Oh, my god. Like, even if you're renting, like, you gotta do it, yeah? Because, like, there's so much crap in that water, or they've taken everything out of it, so there's nothing good in it, like you got, if you can't change the filtered water in your house, we could, but because we, but, like, that's, it's an investment we're not making right now. So we have a shower head filter, and we've had it for a year. Whole my hair is different, my skin is different, everything's different. 

Clare Solly 26:59  

Yeah, I just got one. I rent my apartment, and I just bought one. Pro tip, though, make sure you can actually find filters for your shower head and for if you I have one on my sink, too, make sure you find filters that like they're out there and they're not hard to find, and they're not expensive, or the way you can afford them.

Lesley Logan 27:14  

Ours is like, ours was a gift because we asked for it at Christmas, and I actually do wonder if, like it even as a filtered change, or if we just buy it a whole new thing, if we can find a filter for it, I'm gonna move it to the guest bathroom, because, yeah, I got you guys to listen to the HigherDOSE. I was like, oh, we're due for a new filter. And then HigherDOSE is like, hey, we have a red light filtered water head.

Clare Solly 27:35  

Ooh, okay, maybe I need to try that one while I'm here too. 

Lesley Logan 27:39  

Okay, I'm we're recording it, and it's supposed to ship tomorrow. So I don't have it, I can tell you right now, like, the number of red lights that I live under. Like, I can't even wait to shower, light off. Red in the bathroom, red light on.

Clare Solly 27:51  

Amazing, amazing, amazing.

Lesley Logan 27:55  

Rachel's probably like, girl, I don't know. I fell for all of it. I'm in.

Clare Solly 28:00  

You know what? Sometimes, sometimes things that we think make us beautiful actually do make us beautiful because we like them. 

Lesley Logan 28:06  

Yeah, beitpod.com/higherdose okay, use that link. It's our affiliate, so that helps you support this podcast. And then Balanced Dose, Balanced with so, like, like, two Ds in the middle, we'll get you 20% on anything you want there. But I'm, like, big on the show. I'm so excited about it.

Clare Solly 28:22  

Amazing. So Lesley, what were your biggest takeaways?

Lesley Logan 28:25  

Okay, so she said, we just have to, like, hear this, look at your beautification routine as self-love, because you're worth it. You are worth it, right? And so we've said it already, but I think, I think some of the best, Be It Action Items are the ones we repeat. Because, like, I just think so many people see it as, like, something they have to buy into. And it's like, it is part of it. We did this with the fascia blaster lady. She's like, massaging your body is like time spent with your body. It's an act of self-love and like, so that you guys, we don't realize when things change in our body, because we're just so used to kind of like living with it. We're kind of like a frog like, although I have heard that the frog in boiling water is, is a myth but everyone says it, so it makes sense, so we'll use it, but it is a totally, apparently, a myth. So we don't realize, like, that ache we had yesterday, and we're like, oh, it's still there. And then we kind of, like, we kind of start to live with it. So I just really believe, the more time you spend with yourself, like you will recognize when things are changing and some of those things are changing, or your moles, like, I have pre skin cancer, and I didn't know you could be I thought we were all pre, weren't you? Apparently there's another level. It's an in between. But it's because I was like, hey, this mole is acting differently. Can you check it out? You know? And so, like, if you're not spending time with yourself and your body, you don't notice these changes that are happening, so. 

Clare Solly 29:38  

Yeah, and it's really worth it. I mean, you taught me years ago to put on my calendar the things that were worth it for me to do for myself. So like, even if you have to block off your like, mentally block off your calendar for 15 more minutes to, like, go take that extra time in the shower, to do your Gua Sha, to do your Epsom salt. Like, do it like, you are worth the extra five minutes, 15 minutes out. You're worth it.

Lesley Logan 30:00  

You really are. I mean, I think, I think a lot of us are spending way too much time on things that actually don't care for us, make us feel good. And so I just think that, like, notice if you actually made the time for your skincare, notice what you don't have time for. And I promise you, you're letting go of the things you didn't need to be doing. 

Clare Solly 30:16  

I'm sure we could all stop scrolling for 15 minutes. 

Lesley Logan 30:18  

Well, here's the thing. Like, if I was to say, hey, you know, like, Clare, you're like, Oh, I'm flying down. Oh, you're flying tomorrow, right? Yeah. Oh, my God, Clare, I just want a shopping spree. You know, at our favorite store that you're, you know, it's at two o'clock, you move your fucking flight. I would move it. You would move it. You would just do that. Like, so we make time for things we want to do. And if you say you really want to take care of yourself, you will make time for it. If you just so she also reminded us, we have one body, so we have to care for it. We have to make good decisions for it. And like, I was telling you the other day, I don't always feel motivated to work out, but I I want to when I'm 80, I'm gonna be glad I did. So that's why I do it. Like, that's literally, like, the days I want to do I'm like, I have this one body, and when I'm 80, I'm gonna be glad I did it. So she also wanted to remind you she has a free 30 minute biohacking video. It's for the skin video. So I think you should go do that. Why not? You can find it at theschoolofradiance.com so I would go do that. 

Clare Solly 31:11  

I'm gonna go click on it after this, I'm gonna go watch it. 

Lesley Logan 31:14  

Also, her skin is fucking stunning. I thought I had good skin. She is great, great skin. 

Clare Solly 31:20  

I also wanted to train me how to do that like, three way braid like that was awesome.

Lesley Logan 31:23  

I I know that's my next thing is to learn how to braid my hair. But at any rate, maybe that's funny. If you have someone who teaches people how to braid hair as that you follow or you love, like that, I need that person on the pod. I want them to teach me on the pod like that is, oh yeah, like, that's why i It's the year of learning how to deal with my hair so.

Clare Solly 31:42  

Because you tried them, then I could come try your red lights. 

Lesley Logan 31:45  

I'm at the point where I would chop it off, but it does look beautiful when it's done. So you know, I feel really good about my mascara. Feel really good about my brows. I feel really good about the skincare. I just need someone to fucking do my hair. So she's brilliant. So go check that out, schoolofradiance.com you guys, I'm Lesley Logan. 

Clare Solly 32:00  

And I'm Clare Solly. 

Lesley Logan 32:01  

And tell us what you what of these things you're trying, what? Try one at a time if you hate it, right? Move on. The next thing we want to know, and also Rachel's gonna want to know, so make sure you let her know and send us a friend who is buying all the things off of Instagram that they think will work, so that they can, you know, maybe hear some tricks that are better and that you'll have a fun more conversation, I think, than one on. Hey, did you try this 17th thing that you have to buy and then it doesn't work? Send it to anybody who needs to hear it and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Clare Solly 32:30  

Bye. 

Lesley Logan 32:32  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 33:14  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 33:19  

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Brad Crowell 33:23  

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Lesley Logan 33:30  

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Brad Crowell 33:34  

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