Be It Till You See It

In Part 1 of her Listening to Yourself series, Lesley Logan unpacks what intuition actually is and why so many of us struggle to hear it. Drawing on personal stories and current research, she explores how subconscious pattern recognition, past experiences, and inner calm shape the way our gut speaks to us. She also names the noise that drowns it out: fear, trauma, social pressure, and over-reliance on logic. This episode is a grounded reset for anyone who's lost trust in their inner voice.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• What intuition actually is, and the science of subconscious pattern recognition.
• The reason a gut feeling can seem illogical now but make sense later.
• Three books that explain fear, trauma, and your inner voice.
• Ways fear, anxiety, and past trauma quietly disguise themselves as intuition.
• The difference between calm intuition and loud, urgent fear.

Episode References/Links:

• Quora: Why Is It So Hard to Trust Intuition - https://share.google/xCow6Q7yTdKUQMPko
• Medium: What Intuition Really Is and Isn't - https://share.google/DBWNMS5g6vafDOAej
• IPC: What Exactly Is Intuition - https://share.google/eH2S0zlOENreq2AsV
• Psychology Today - https://share.google/gDyxkjMpOgu31QO75
• The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker - https://a.co/d/03NEtJNI
• What Happened to You by Bruce Perry and Oprah Winfrey - https://a.co/d/0aOdhLko
• Getting the Love You Want by Harville Hendrix - https://a.co/d/07Ct9mnJ
• Catch and Kill by Ronan Farrow - https://a.co/d/0aEu2NNz
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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

Trusting your intuition is difficult because it's easily confused with fear, anxiety or past trauma, rather than a purely rational guide. It is built on learned experience and subconscious pattern recognition, meaning it can be biased or inaccurate. New situations, additionally high stress, societal pressure and logical over-analytical thinking, often drown out inner quiet knowing. 

Lesley Logan 0:19  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 1:01  

All right, Be It babe. Hi. We're gonna have a really fun series for you, two episodes. I know, isn't it fun? I certainly hope so. So if you're new to the Be It pod. Normally, in the past, we always had an interview on Tuesdays and a recap on Thursdays. And after five years of doing that, I talked to so many people, I've had so many requests on topics that sometimes it's hard just find a guest who wants to talk about that for like, 20 minutes, right? And so I thought it'd be fun to take some of the topics that you guys have been requesting and then do some deep dive research myself, share them with you, and then we can have other guests come on after that that kind of dovetail into that topic. And so we have a great episode coming out next week, that's all about listening to your body and what it's telling you and healing yourself. And so that led me to going, like, can everyone listen to their intuition? Like, do we all have it? Is it easy to listen to yourself? And so I don't know, let's, let's talk about it, right? I think, as someone who's an Aquarius, who's in her head all the time, I was like, is it, is talking to myself as an Aquarius with ADHD in my head all the time, the same as intuition? And the more I thought about it, the more I realized, like, I don't think so. I think that's just like self-talk. But what we'll see, what the research says in just a second. But I will also say, like, I can think of certain times where, like, there was a very clear voice that came through in my life about what I should be doing next. And I remember going, that is such a weird thing to hear or say or think, and so that's why I feel like it's not the same as, like just talking to yourself. I think there's like a clear voice that cuts through and it's like, hey, hold on. Pay attention to this. I'll tell you a couple of them. 

Lesley Logan 2:38  

One, the voice that I heard in my head when I was in a Pilates class, and this had been in 2007, I did Pilates for a couple of years at that point, and I was, like, it was probably around April or May of 2007 and because I moved into a couple months later. So actually, no, in my mind it must have beenJune, because I, like, was such a quick turnaround, like 30 days. So it must have been June. So I was in a Pilates class, and I heard my voice go, I don't like living here, in the Pilates class, I don't like living here. And I remember going, what a weird thing to say because the truth is, like, consciously, I love living where I live. I live by the beach. Who wouldn't wnat to do that? I've been living by the beach for almost seven years. At that point, like the one of the luckiest people, I had the greatest job. And so for me to say I don't like living here, was kind of like a big thought to have, and that that thought later that day, when I went to work and I picked up the phone and somebody was like, hey, Lesley. She had my same job at a different location in L.A. in Santa Monica, so it was also by the beach. And she said, hey Lesley, she's like, I put my two-week notice in, and it was like, my my mind was like, remember the thing that I heard, and my mind goes, oh, I'm gonna put in for your I'm gonna put in transfer for your job, right? And so then I so that was one moment where, like, the intuition was just so clear for me, for like, what I need to do and how I need to change my life. Another time that I can share with you about, like, listening to my intuition is one of my clients. So two, two parts. So in December of 2019, Brad and I were in Vegas, kicking off our very first tour ever. And we were at Vesta Coffee Shop. It's on Casino Center Drive, shout out to our neighbors, and I've never been there. We're waiting for our pop up to start. And we were having coffee, and Brad goes, I could live here. Said that, right? And I looked around, and I was like, I know it feels like the weird side of Melrose, like the place in town, like we've always want to kind of live at and we didn't have it, and it didn't even feel weird to even think because we loved L.A. So like, it's kind of just a little weird that, like he would say that, and I'm like, we love L.A. So like, why would I go, yeah, you know? And so then I gathered some information. Later that day, I asked my brother, like, do people live here who don't like work in the industry here? And he's like, oh, yeah, you know. And so put that aside. Like Brad said that thing, I had this feeling like, oh. And I got some more information. Then, two weeks after shutdowns and Covid, so we're in April, one of my clients said, hey, this company I work for is going to be working remote until June of 2021, so I think you should break your lease, cancel it, put yourself in storage like you know. And my immediate thought when she said that, my brain was like, space is going to become a commodity. Brad and I need to move to Vegas now, right? And so that was just like this intuition moment that I could then take action on and then, and on June 1st we moved. So I think that, like, it really does require a little bit of information and then trust in your gut, but that's what I think. I'd love to know what you think, and here's what the research says. So let's see if we think I'm spot on, or if you agree with me or agree with the research. 

Lesley Logan 5:40  

So I have two things for today's episode. Today's episode is like, what is intuition? And then also, why is it difficult for us to hear or trust our intuition? Thursday's episode is going to be on tools to actually hear your intuition better. Okay? So that's the breakdown of our lineup. So, and then the sources for this information are always gonna be in our show notes. So, what is intuition? Intuition isn't magic or fantasy. Intuition is the ability to acquire knowledge or understand something immediately, without the need for conscious reasoning or analytical thought, often described as a gut feeling. It acts as an inner voice that processes information, past experiences and pattern recognition on a subconscious level to guide decisions. So you can see from my two examples, like I had to have information. You know, like I I had been living in the place where I've been living for a while, and I've been doing Pilates, and then I had this thought, and then when I went to this to the next part of my day, I got more information. It was like, I can act on that gut feeling, right? Brad and I liked Vegas. Thought about moving here in two or three years, so in 2022 or 2023 and then again, got some information, and my gut feeling is like, oh, I can take action on that. So it's just, it's, it's kind of like the same thing that people could say that luck is the intersection of preparation meets opportunity. I do think that the more I read about this intuition stuff, it's like you have a connection to your thoughts, and then you get, it meets opportunity and information, and then the two connect together and for you to take an action on that, no one else would see, because they're not in you, and they don't, they have different thoughts that get the same information, so it's gonna have a different reaction, right? So key aspects of intuition, there's a subconscious processing. It's not magical, but rather the brain's rapid, automatic analysis of previous experiences, of stored knowledge. So your brain is as a fiel cabinet, and it's got the stuff going on, and then all of a sudden it's a rapid automatic like looking through the files and going, boom, hold on, what? Check this out. Listen to this. Right? 

Lesley Logan 7:32  

Pattern recognition. It functions the mental shortcut, helping individuals recognize patterns in complex situations. One of the things that I joke about, and I feel like several of you listeners have agreed that you have the same thing is like when the shoe drops, I have such clarity of the next thing to go, like the next thing to do, right? So, for example, we were on a plane coming home from Cambodia on March 14th 2020, and I already knew L.A. had shut down. We had heard that the day before, and so we had sent our dog walker to a grocery store, like I just sent her a bunch of money. I was like, please get any groceries you can. Good luck. Stay safe, right? And we're on this plane, and I'm getting all these emails of all these people who are trying to cancel contracts I have for the year. And I told Brad, I said, the Pilates industry does not know how to teach online, and every single person has to go online yesterday, so when I get home, I'm going to teach the people who are in our Profitable Pilates agency membership, how to teach online, I'm going to to do that tomorrow. So I like set it up. I told everyone at this time, at this day, it's your part of your membership. I'm teaching you. And then I had a public one that I charge for for five days later. So I knew based on just how much of my life experience as a teacher that was teaching online, and then so I knew what I had been doing, but most people are not trained to do that, and so it was this like mental shortcut that I was able to go, this is a complex situation. Hold on. I know how to teach this. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna let it go. I'm gonna do it right now. It's like, it was this like urge that I had to get it done. I'm really proud of what we did and how we saved so many people's businesses because of that quick mental shortcut. Pattern Recognition, right? 

Lesley Logan 9:07  

Speed and emotion, intuitive thoughts often appear quickly in consciousness accompanied by an emotional or physical sensation. Right? Speed and emotion, intuitive thoughts often appear quickly in consciousness accompanied by an emotion or physical sensation. Bridge between mind and logic. It bridges the gap between the conscious and unconscious mind operating beneath layers of logic. And I think that is really important, because I believe that in hindsight, we can see how logical some of these gut instincts, intuition moments are, but in the actual moment it it seems illogical if you were to tell people, like, when I came home and told Brad, I was like, space is gonna be a commodity, we need to buy a house right now. Luckily he just, like, had been on board with my crazy thoughts already, but a lot of people were like, you shouldn't be spending any money right now. There's so much uncertain. Like, the logical part would be like, don't buy a house right now, right? So it really does bridge the gap between these two. 

Lesley Logan 10:00  

How it works. Intuition relies on tacit knowledge, which information, which is information gathered over time that is not consciously recalled. It's particularly effective in situations where quick, high stake decisions are required, such as detecting danger, assessing a person's trustworthiness. While powerful, it can be influenced by biases such as past negative experiences. That's important, your intuition can be a little flawed based on your past experience. Experiences, so it's always important that you are growing and learning. Because there's two books I want to that my brain just recalled that I feel like, oh my gosh, we have to talk about these right now. One of these books is called The Gift of Fear. It's by Gavin de Becker, and the book when I read it, so I will say I've read it with a diff in a different place in my life, but when I read It, there's an interesting part about how your gut will tell you, like something, like instinct about something, but then logic will tell you something completely different. And so then you'll lean on logic when your gut instinct was to, like, not trust the person, or not trust the thing. Now with that said, if you have a past experience in the subconscious that can actually affect you reading your intuition a little incorrectly, let me explain that there's. Oh the other book. Here we go. So there's the book What Happened to You, and that is with a great doctor and Oprah, and it talks about how your brain is developing. So as a child, if someone had a special scent or smell or voice or something like that, it will attribute that scent or smell or voice response to some and let's say that person was a negative person in your life, it will attribute that. So if you smell that your your gut instinct might be to feel fear and unsafe when that person has nothing to do with that, and that's in the present moment that has nothing to do with that. And but you're you're you're misreading based on your past experience. So you do want to make sure that you're you, if you have any of any traumas in your life, that you're not necessarily using that trauma to cast a judgment on somebody else you don't know. But so definitely, The Gift of Fear, read What Happened to You, if that's some if you have anything like that, if you smell something and it instantly makes you want to go, oh my god, I gotta leave this place. I would definitely explore that so you can retrain that, because it could be a shitty person. But if it's not, we don't want your intuition to lead to the wrong way. Okay, the third book, I didn't finish this book, I will say, and I have no idea if this author ages well in life, and we're not going to go down that road, but, but in it's called Getting the Love You Want. And I had a lot of parents who were couples read it, and they were a really in problematic relationships. So I don't know why I took the recommendation, but I was in a different relationship, and I was like, okay, I want to read this with you. And of course, big red flag, they did not want to read it with me. But one of the things about in the first chapter of this book, which is, like, the most important part that kind of goes with what I was just talking about in What Happened to You is that when we get into relationships, we fill all of our holes up, right holes with an H, and we fill all of our holes up, and then we project the person that we're with filled those holes up, but we actually just did it ourselves. And then when the relationship is no longer new, and we are tired of filling our holes, we stop doing that, and then we blame the other person for change. Person for changing when really we were the ones that were doing that. But in that book, it talks about how oftentimes we cast judgments on people based on subconscious thoughts from early childhood with different people in our family. So we either trust someone because they seem like their energy, seems like your grandmother, who you loved, or they seem like your your stepfather, who you didn't, right? So, so definitely worth if you have, if you're having a hard time trusting yourself, or you are, you feel like you might be misinterpreting based on past experiences, you might want to check those things out. Or, instead of reading the books, just go get some great, wonderful help. 

Lesley Logan 13:45  

Okay, so back to this, how it works. Remember, I'll just repeat myself. Intuition relies on tacit knowledge, which is information gathered over time that is not consciously recalled. It's particularly effective in situations where quick, high stakes decisions are required, such as detecting danger or assessing a person's trustworthiness. While powerful, it can be influenced by biases such as negative past experiences. So definitely, I agree, like I think that intuition isn't something that's like happening all day long, all the time, although it could be, I guess. But for the most of us, we're really like relying on it and like paying attention to it in times of need, when we have to make a quick decision, and that's almost like you get a little more clarity, right, like the mind chatter does stop, so you can actually hear what's important. So we have some examples. So if a soldier or police officer is sensing danger in a seemingly safe environment, though that could be like, where your intuition is like, ooh. Like, why do I feel weird in this place? It's so perfectly wonderful interpersonal feeling an immediate sense of unease or trust regarding a new person, right? You go to a family event, someone brings a friend, and you're like, I do not like this person. I will say, okay, I remember in high school, I always watched Good Morning America. My mom would always find The Today Show, and I was like that, Matt Lauer guy is weird. There's just something about that. Matt Lauer guy I do not like, and she's like, Lesley, you don't even know him. He is a reporter, and I am not. I could not stand the sound of his voice. So then, when I read Ronan Farrow's book, I was like, fucking knew it. I knew it. I knew it, right? Like it's so, so I will say sometimes it's like, it feels illogical to other people, but you might have an immediate sense of unease or trust regarding a new person. And then skill-based, an expert making a split correct decision in a fast paced game or in a professional setting based on deep experiences. You've seen this in the movies, right? You've even done this, right? So this is, as a Pilates instructor, something I try to teach other Pilates instructors is, like, it takes time for your gut to be like, they need this exercise over here, but it doesn't come if you're talking all the time, right? If you constantly are counting for clients, and you're constantly talking the whole time, you can't actually be present enough to see if, like, what's going on, and then you can't hear the intuition saying, I think they should go to this exercise over here. I'll never forget the time that I was watching Jay Grimes teach, and I said, oh, why did you give him that exercise? He was like, I don't know. My gut just said he needed it, right? Like, that's the that's a skill-based one. That's the one I pride myself in having. 

Lesley Logan 16:00  

Okay, so now let's actually talk about why trusting your intuition can be difficult, like why it might be hard to hear when your intuition is talking to you. So trusting your intuition is difficult because it's easily confused with fear, anxiety or past trauma, rather than a purely rational guide. It is built on learned experience and subconscious pattern recognition. Meaning it can be biased or inaccurate new situations. Additionally, high stress, societal pressure, and logical over analytical thinking often drown out inner quiet knowing. So I'll just say, like, I think sometimes we can't hear it because we don't want to, because we know the answer is probably something that's we're doing that's different, you know, like that past person I was with who didn't really read the book. I remember being on the 101 freeway, and I remember thinking, gosh, I wish he would just break up with me. Right? My thought wasn't like, oh, I should break up with him. It would say, would you just break up with me? And then I was like, oh, my god, and I'd have to move and I have to do these things. And like, he's not a bad guy, and, like, on paper, he wasn't. So like, it's really interesting how we can, like, have intuitive thoughts and then, like, because they don't make sense in logic, we kind of, like talk ourselves out of it. Also say, I remember having, I remember this distinct moment where my brain was like, you should just make a left here. And I was like, why would I make a left here, and instead I made a left, where I always make a left, and I was in a head on collision. So, you know, I don't know why I thought that, but I, like, literally, wasn't listening at that time in my life. And so I think it can be, depending on what's going on in your life, it can be hard to listen to those things, or you might not. You might have a series of time of just actually not trusting yourself and the decisions you made. And so then you when your inner intuition is telling you something you haven't you don't have trust there, right? And so I feel that I see that. 

Lesley Logan 17:46  

So here are some other main reasons why it's hard to trust your intuition, confusion with fear and trauma, what feels like a gut feeling is often an emotional reaction based on past trauma, fear or anxiety causing you to overreact. Anxiety often masquerades as intuition, especially when facing new or challenging but harmless situation. So again, I do think if you know that certain things cause you some anxiety or fear, it is absolutely worth go and exploring that with someone who with a professional because what I don't want you to do, and what you take from this episode is that, oh, when I have fear anxiety, it's like, not real, and I should just listen to my intuition that is like, that's not what I want. I actually want you to get some clear, urgent support, so that you can recognize the difference between anxiety and intuition, right? Context dependency. Intuition relies on learned patterns of the past. If you're in a new or unfamiliar situation, your gut may not have the necessary experience to provide accurate guidance, making it unreliable in, for example, on modern, complex scenarios compared to simple, repetitive ones. So like, I think this is where you can if you are in a new situation, a new job, a new totally different thing, maybe, like, you're supposed to fly into JFK, and you end up flying into some other place, and now you're like, it's gonna be really difficult to hear your gut, because your your your intuition, because your brain doesn't have a file for that place, and so it's, it's almost like a lot of noise, right? So then I would just say, like, don't judge yourself for not being able to hear yourself. Your brain is trying to take in the information it needs before it can even pipe in with some intuition. Logical over analysis. The logical sensor in our brain often dominates decision making, dismissing subtle nonverbal or non logical cues. So if you read The Gift of Fear, he talks about how like he was in a restaurant and it smelled like the smell, smelled like Italian. And he was like, oh, Italian. And he's looking at like the name of the restaurant, and it's Italian. But the pictures everywhere are not Italian restaurant pictures. They're they're quite very they're quite different, right? And so his, he knew he like lot, like his intuition, like, Oh my god, look at this. It's onna be a great Italian meal. But then the logic around him was showing that it wasn't Italian. So he's like, oh maybe it's not Italian, so maybe it's it's whatever he thought it was, and I should order this x, y or z, then the menu came as it was fucking Italian, right? So it's really easy for us to talk ourselves out of what we're actually hearing by using logic. And logic can, logic is there for a reason. I'm not bad mouthing it, but sometimes it can lead you astray, and because your gut had is actually picking up on the subtler things that are, that are actually what's going on. Mental noise and stress. High levels of stress, depression or being a state of shock, can distort or block intuitive signals. So you're stressed out right now, my love like, that's why you're not hearing it right. You're not hearing your intuition because you're in a high stress space. So it's not like a meditation a day is going to solve that problem. You might have to do and make other changes, but be kind to yourself. It's gonna be harder to hear. Got a lot going on. Prior failures, past mistakes can make you lose confidence in your own judgment. And I think this is where we have to be really kind to ourselves, because I always believe we fail forward. I really do believe that like making like if you think you made, in air quotes, a bad decision based on something you thought your intuition, and it led you to door number three. Well, my thing is that, you know, if you didn't die, then door number three is not a bad door it's an experience you need to have. Your brain would actually have more information to make better decisions in the future. And so actually, maybe you're supposed to go through door number three, and your intuition was spot on, right? Like, I will absolutely say, like I would not be here talking to you today had I not gone and taken that first Pilates class when my logic noise was saying, do not do that, right? I would not be here today if I had relied on my past failures. Of like, the first time we did Agency, nobody bought it. But now Agency is, like, eight years old and has helped 1000s of businesses. So I would just say like you're gonna fail in life. It doesn't mean you can't trust yourself. It means you had to learn something so that you can have even greater information and success in the future. But just be kind to yourself. Social pressure, the desire to conform to social norms, where fear of judgment can override your internal signals. I think this is really huge. I will tell you right now, my gut was spot on with all my exes, every single one, but especially my last one. I remember my gut was like, this is I think we should let this one go. And people at my job were like, oh my god, he sent flowers. Oh my god, he picked you up for a date. Oh my god, he did these things. And so then I stopped listening to my gut ended up in a five fucking year long relationship. Right when I can tell you right now, within 48 hours, my gut was like, should move on from this. You know. Anyways, that happens, though, because societal pressure and norms can, like, really change your decisions on, on what you're doing, and make you not listen to yourself. Self-sabotage, sometimes self sabotaging behavior disguise itself is the gut feeling to keep you in a comfortable, familiar, but limiting state. So what I will say is, I have many people saying, oh, gosh, I had this obstacle, which means I'm probably not supposed to be doing the thing that I'm doing. And I would say, like, actually, is that it's saying, or is it saying, like, hey, how bad do you want this? Are you going to work a little harder for it? Right? You know what I mean? Like, I think, like, first of all, I think too many people think that things are going to come like, easy for you, just because you have this great idea that it's just going to be easy to do. Nothing is easy to do. We're working on two major projects right now that scare the fuck out of me, if I'm completely honest. And every time I think maybe we shouldn't do it, my gut's like, oh, you're doing it like you you're supposed to do it. Like, talk about, like, that gut instinct where, like, there's that emotional and physical feeling we talked about earlier in the episode. Like, every time I think I'm not going to do it, I actually feel uneasy. And when I think, like, well, I am going to do it. It's like, yeah, because that makes the most sense. So I would just say that, like, it's easy to self-sabotage and stop yourself and call it intuition, because you're feeling an obstacle, but that's not necessarily what's happening. And how do you know if it's self-sabotage or actually a gut intuition? I think you'll have to actually just look back at your past behaviors. Are you doing something you've done in the past? Oh, something's getting really hard, and so you're talking yourself out of it, right? Maybe you have to ask yourself, like, what is the cost of not doing this? Like, you might have to just take a little bit more time and do some journaling, or give yourself a little bit more time. Let me just hang on a little longer. I can always stop this in the future, but let's just, like, take a little bit longer, get a little bit more information. Now that said, sometimes people are so afraid of self-sabotage that they talk themselves into being in jobs longer and relationships longer and other things longer. So I just say like, you know you the best. This is where you have to get honest with yourself, right? So it's because I don't want you to be like, -h, I'm I don't want to self-sabotage if I stick out this thing and I and Lesley said, so no, I just want you to just pay attention to your own patterns and what is going on. Here's the thing, hearing your intuition is difficult because it is a quiet, subtle inner voice that is easily drowned out by loud, racing thoughts, fear and societal demands for logic. It is often hard to distinguish from anxiety or past traumas, which present as urgent, emotional and reactive, rather than calm and steady, like if you are someone who is like feeling the effects of cortisol has had past trauma, has a lot going on in your mind. You're it's you're there's too much uncertainty in your life. I just want you to know if you're having a hard time hearing what to do next, it's, it's because you got, there's a lot going on and there's a lot going on right now. Oh my god. Like logic and society would say, let's not start anything new right now, right? But I will also say that, like, some of the craziest things I did at times were the so uncertain I am, like, sitting in this beautiful house, that people are like, you're crazy to buy a house when, like, you're not even sure what Covid is going to do with your business right now. Now, I also don't want people to go into debt, because it's, my gut says so, like, we have to really make sure that we're, we're making decisions from the right place and sitting with those things. And as you build that up, you might need to take some time and make sure that, like, it's the same answer. You know, you like, start, like, shake a magic eight ball, and you get an answer. You're like, I don't like this answer, and shake it again to get another answer. This is, like, I would say it's the opposite. It's like, maybe, if you're working on trusting your intuition and not self-sabotage or talking yourself out of things or using society's pressures to stick with whatever you're supposed to do, maybe you're looking for the eight ball to say the same thing three days in a row, right? All right. 

Lesley Logan 26:22  

So just a couple, just to go on to that, because I know, I know you my listener. I know you need more information. So here is more information on why it's hard to hear your intuition. So overthinking and noise, overthinking, chronic overthinking. Hello, my chronic overthinkers. I see you. Stress and anxiety create mental noise that drowns out the quiet, subtle whispers of intuition. So if that's you, might want to be taking some time, maybe the habits to try to figure out, like, what do I do with my overthinking thoughts? I am an over thinker at night. Holy frickin moly, it is insanity. So guess what? MoonBrew, extra magnesium, a little extra support from my hormone specialist, and I can overthink in the morning, and then I'm like this. It's too beautiful to overthink right now, right fear, miss it misidentified as intuition. So true intuition feels calm, while fear-based thoughts are loud, urgent and emotional. We often confuse fear or past trauma, for example, needing to protect yourself for intuition. So I think I love that they brought this up, because it's like, how do you know? And as I've just mentioned a few times, it's one thing I'm thinking of doing every time I think about not doing it, it doesn't feel easy. Every time I think about doing it, this is gonna be the hardest thing I've ever done. But there's a calmness, like a confidence to my body that I feel, right? Over reliance on logic, so society priorities is data, facts and rational thinking, leading us to dismiss gut feelings that lack immediate logical explanation. So just notice, like, look, I do believe in data over dogma, but just kind of notice when you're letting other people's need for data determine what you how you make your decisions, that's their need, not yours. Lack of inner calm, intuition requires a grounded, present state. You're overwhelmed, ungrounded, or disconnected from your body, you cannot hear the physical sensations that often accompany intuitive nudges right. So like, I will just say, if you are not in an inner calm state, you should not be making any decisions. One, you're not gonna hear your intuition. But two, like, we all make poor decisions. Date terrible people pick big fights when we're not in inner calm state. So you might want to figure out things that help you with that. Lack of trust and self-doubt, low self-confidence or history of dismissing your own feelings can make it difficult to trust your inner voice when it does speak. I feel that I get you. I've been there. 

Lesley Logan 28:27  

So my love. I hope this gave you some like kind of thought and some insight about, like, intuition versus inner chatter, versus why it's hard. I hope you know like it's totally normal to feel like you have lost your inner voice, or that you don't have that trust there. I think that there's just so much going on, and I don't know that our intuition can really, like, compete with, like, the scroll, the instant scroll, of so many things that are going on and and, you know, the time I'm recording this, like, you know, the President is, like, threatening to be at war. But also, you know, that's a distraction for the files. And then there's this happening over here, and then the hockey team just bringing up what every single female, like, always feels is happening all of the time. And you're just like, oh my god, and I have to go to work, and I have to fill this thing out, and I have to figure out how I'm gonna make this big decision. And so I just want you to know, like, there is a lot going on, so it can be hard. And I would highly encourage you to figure out, maybe brainstorm, go back to the habits episode and brainstorm all the different things that you could do to try to just like, get a habit or a thing that you could do to help you calm your nervous system so that then you can make decisions from a better place, and just remember that taking all that information is helping you with your intuition. Your intuition relies on information that you have filed away. Hard to have intuition on something you've never done or experienced or know, right? So I think you're amazing. I really hope that you are into this series. So Thursday, I'll give you the tools for listening and hearing it better, and then next week, we're going to have a really great guest who used her inner knowing and inner guidance to help heal herself. So I think that there's there's so much that our intuition and our inner guidance can do if we're listening. And so I hope this gets you started. 

Lesley Logan 30:18  

If you have a topic that you want me to discuss, or if you have something related to this that you want to share with us, you can send it to the beitpod.com/questions. Ask a question. You can share a win about it, or you can you can just tell us, I'd love to hear how this is helping you and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 30:32  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 31:14  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 31:19  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 31:24  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 31:31  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 31:34  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

In this FYF episode, Lesley Logan delivers a list of ready-made responses for the moments when family, friends, or strangers say something offensive, intrusive, or just plain uncomfortable. She also celebrates a community win from a new Mat Pilates teacher trainee, and shares her own win about protecting her Intellectual Property after discovering AI-generated theft of her images. With a grounded mantra to close, this episode is a reminder that setting boundaries is an act of self-respect.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] mailto:[email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.

In this episode you will learn about:

• How to respond when someone says something offensive in real time.
• Lines to use when family pushes politics you don't want to discuss.
• What to say when comments about your body won't stop.
• Boundary scripts for unwanted dating, family, or finance questions.
• How Lesley handled AI-generated theft of her images and brand.

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• Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah. 

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Hello, Be It babe. Welcome to your mid month of May. FYF, it's our third of five Fridays. So we have a lot of May, May celebrations, which means that you have five chances of May to find something to celebrate, something to send in, something to remind yourself you're doing a great job. You are and you're on your way to being it till you see it and you're doing yourself a great job. So this thing that inspired me that I'm sharing with you, okay, here's the deal. It is quite possible that I shared it last fall, and if I didn't, I fucked up, and I'm sharing it with you now, because it does say how to set boundaries of family this Thanksgiving, if they say something offensive, but honestly, like because this world continues to be in a shit hole, and people around me that I like thought agreed with me on a lot of things, sometimes say things and I'm like, whoa, that's fucking offensive. I thought maybe we need a reshare. So if you need a reminder of this, here's what it is. So if someone says something offensive, doesn't have to be Thanksgiving, it can just be around you. What an odd thing to say out loud. I feel uncomfortable with the statement you just made. I don't get it. Can you explain that one? Wow. I'm not sure how to respond. That was an unkind thing to say. That's an inside thought. And so I like those. I think these are great, like, it's like, you, at least, can respond, and it maybe makes them think, if it doesn't. So if it's politics you want to avoid, then you can say, this isn't a conversation I like to have right now. Or you can say, I have a lot of thoughts in the state of the country, but I'd rather share them another time. You can also say I won't be engaged in talk about politics if we can't stick to other topics, I'll take a break from the table. That one's a little more confrontational. I'm not willing to be badgered right now, so I'm going to walk away and do all of those things. Remember, we are the five, we are like the people we hang out with. If comments about food or your body won't stop. So this is important because I really do believe that like stop commenting on women's bodies. We just fucking need to. It makes me feel uncomfortable when you talk about my body. So I'm going to end this here. I'm really trying to have a better relationship with myself this year, I'm going to ask that you not comment on my looks. I'm listening to my body and what it craves right now, let's focus on something else, rather than my plate. I thought we were past talking about people's weight in 2025. So I think that that's, you know I know that can sound like, oh my god, I'm gonna make them uncomfortable. Yeah, they're making you feel uncomfortable. We have to get good at making people who make us feel uncomfortable feel uncomfortable too. If your relationship status family planning is the unwanted subject, honestly, I would love to chat with you about blank rather than my dating life. I like to keep that private right now, I might not be engaged, but I have blank going on that I'm happy to talk about, instead. Kids aren't in my equation right now, I'd rather work on expanding my family when I'm ready. So those are all and I think you can like, you can change those to like fit your situation. But I do think like giving them something else to bring up is also fine, but like letting people know I want to talk about that, it's all, boundaries are kind, and if they're commenting on your finances, well fuck them. But you can say, if you're trying to help, I could use some advice on blank otherwise I'm good. So give them a thing that you want to talk about. Rather than getting all this unsolicited advice. I'm doing my best in a stressful economy. I'm managing my finances well and making progress towards my goals. That's all you need to know. And then if the question just fills what's the last one? If the question feels personal, a little too personal, this isn't something I want to talk about right now. That's a sensitive topic for me, let's talk about something else. Actually, I've been wanting to ask you about blank how's that going? So that one, you know that one might be a little spicy, but I hope these help. Feel free to look at the transcripts of this podcast, copy and paste it, put in your notes, easy to text to people who ask uncomfortable things or say, I'm you know. You just pull it up like, you know, you'll get better at it. But it's important, we have to have these things at the ready, because sometimes we're like, oh my god, I don't know what to say and they just, like, said something awful. 

Lesley Logan 4:49  

Now for the wins. I, you know Be It babe, I got your back on these things. The win that I'm gonna share today is from CAGoodfellow, hi, Lesley. I've now started my class, Go Mat Pilates Teacher Training Course. I know this person, and this is a huge deal. So happy for you. I'm so happy for you. Give me a post on how it's going. 

Lesley Logan 5:10  

All right, my win, and then I'll get you a mantra and get you on your way. So I found out that someone used AI to steal my images and write a shitty book. And I was like, oh my god, this is, like, so annoying. It's gonna take so long. And the team went to action, and Amazon took the book down in like, no time at all. We put it up there, proved that it was ours, our images, and they took it down. And when telling people about this shitty thing, I found out that other people were using my images, which like, you think, oh my god, that's gonna be so terrible. Yeah, it sucks. It feels violating in weird ways. I mean, like, it feels weird to even use that word violating, because it's like, is it? But like, it it is. And people are like, oh, don't let this take up your amazing energy. Here's the deal. You have to protect your IP so it does have to take some energy. But I'm really proud of how I've been able to trust the team to find a new system and to put in place to to take care of this situation, and it not keep me up at night, but we are taking action, legal actions, where, where we can. But I didn't let it like derail the goals I had that week. I was like, okay, this is happening. What can we do? What are our steps? What's our first step of action and and then work on from that, I it's just really, it's really nice not to like, end up in a puddle of like, woe is me. Now I've got to do this, too. And in asking for help, I got to see how many of you are like, here to support the work that we're doing, and you understand what that means. And because of you, we're finding out the images that are being used that are like in hidden places a little harder, and I'm so grateful. So if you see images of me, they're not on my flash cards and they're not my posters, most likely I did not give them permission to use them, so just send it, and if I did, I'll let you know. 

Lesley Logan 6:56  

All right, your mantra is, each part of me is worthy of love, each part of me is worthy of love. Each part of you is worthy of love, Be It babe. Thanks so much for being here. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 7:13  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 7:55  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 8:00  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 8:05  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 8:12  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 8:15  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell sit down to unpack their favorite moments from Dr. Corey Winn, doctor of physical therapy turned women's business coach who pointed out the things keeping high-achieving women stuck. In this recap, they get honest about the patterns that quietly hold smart, capable women back, and what it actually takes to break them. If you've been doing all the right things and it still doesn't feel like enough, this one's for you.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] .

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Why high-achieving women struggle to feel worthy of their own success.
• How "I don't have time" is often hiding your real obstacle.
• Why you must actively curate who's in your inner circle.
• How to build a schedule that doesn't burn you out.
• How to use your calendar to protect at least one daily joy.

Episode References/Links:

• Nevada SPCA – https://nevadaspca.org
• eLevate Mentorship Program – https://lesleylogan.co/elevate
• OPC Spring Training – https://opc.me/events
• OPC Summer Tour Waitlist – https://opc.me/tour
• Dr. Corey Winn's Website – https://www.coreywinn.com
• The Carl Edward Foundation - https://www.thecarledwardfoundation.org
• Ep. 5 ft. Amy Ledin - https://beitpod.com/ep5
• Ep. 185 with Dai Manuel - https://beitpod.com/ep185
• Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] mailto:[email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.

If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSI

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Be in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlist

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Resources:

• Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-g
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• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/
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• Profitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

To be honest, if you're waiting for someone else to say you're worthy, that's the problem. Like, I think everybody's waiting for outside indicators that they are worthy. You actually are born worthy. The fact that you're here is why you're worthy. Like every single person on this planet was born to make an impact on this planet, so you were already worthy. 

Lesley Logan 0:18  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:57  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the purpose-driven convo I had with Dr Corey Winn in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to it. It's in the lineup, or we'll give you a bunch of spoilers, which will make you go, oh, I need to go. It's like the Cliff Notes. What's that book? What's that app that like, read the books in 15 minutes, and then you could go read them if you wanted. they don't sponsor the show, but it's like that. 

Brad Crowell 1:22  

Yeah, I can't remember what that's called. 

Lesley Logan 1:28  

What people get what I'm saying. It's okay. We don't need to sponsor it. Okay. So today, if you were with us two weeks ago, you've like, now you probably know I am reading this blind. I have no idea. Haha god, I just thought Brad had us do FAFO in sign language, and he just did it. So if you're watching on YouTube, and you know sign language, let us know how you did. So I read these blind. So here we go. Today is May 14th 2026 and it's Bond With Your Dog Day. You know, I actually think this is Bayon's anniversary. They said he was three months old, and so we went back three months and that's February, the 14th, and we're like, great, you're a Valentine's Day baby, like. 

Brad Crowell 2:14  

You might be right. You might be right.

Lesley Logan 2:15  

Happy 10 years with us Bayon. Okay, so on this day, pet parents and their beloved dogs spend some extra quality time together. Every dog owner can vouch for how affectionate and loyal their dogs are, in almost every case, they are right. However, on Bond With Your Dog Day, it's time to show your beloved friend how much you love and care for them. The day is celebrated with a host of activities and find new ways to connect with your dogs. Happy Bond With Your Dog Day to you and your dogs, and if you don't have one go to a shelter and read to one, spend some time with one. Learn, if you're in Vegas, it's too late to get the dog walking privileges at SPCA until the fall. But like, go do it. I am obsessed with walking dogs at the SPCA. It is so hard for me. It's so hard for me to leave them. I like, have a really hard time. I literally can do three and I have to go because then I start to get really, I'm like, I have to walk all of them if I do anymore. But it really, it, it will bring so much joy to your life. They have so much unconditional love. Some of them are so scared, and they just, they just take some warming up too. And some of them are like, get me out of here. I don't you are amazing. I'm with you.

Lesley Logan 3:01  

Well, who do we want to feature today? Because I think we should do this. How about Miss Coco? 

Lesley Logan 3:19  

Well, hopefully Miss Coco is not at the SPCA in May 17th babe, because she is there right now. So we can't feature any of them, or Sadie. Love Sadie. 

Brad Crowell 3:29  

We're gonna feature her anyway. 

Lesley Logan 3:30  

Well, yeah, we'll feature them and hope they better be adopted, guys, don't let me I, here's a problem. We are recording this before I go to Europe the day before, and I told Brad, when we come back, if those two girls are still at the shelter, we have to figure out if we can foster them together. I don't know what we're gonna do. We have a retreat coming here. We have eLevate coming here, but like, we gotta get those girls out of out of there.

Brad Crowell 3:51  

So I'm gonna read her profile. So Miss Coco is a Terrier. She's an American Stafford Terrier, Bulldog. She's an American Bully, and she is like, shorty a little bit squat, and she's so cute.

Lesley Logan 4:03  

She she's more squat than August was. 

Brad Crowell 4:05  

Yeah, she's almost five years old. She's about 65 pounds, and she is female. She. Hi, I'm Miss Coco. I'm known for my friendly and sweet nature. I love spending time with people, and I'm always ready for a cuddle or playtime. I do need some special care for my skin and allergies, but I promise I'm worth it. I'm looking for a forever home where I can share all my love and joy. I have past experience with other dogs and older kids. Adopting me means gaining a loyal friend who will always be there to brighten your day. Let's make wonderful memories together. And you've walked her.  

Lesley Logan 4:29  

I mean this girl, I've walked her twice. Walk is a strong word. We went outside, we smelled the roses, and we sat down, and she just got in my lap at all, all those pounds of her, and just wanted me to pet her like she just wants to lay on your couch. So if you're someone who, like, needs a little bit routine in your life, but doesn't really want to commit to, like, long dog walks, like I do, she doesn't want them. She just wants to be on your couch with you. Just wants to be held. And by the way, her skin stuff, I walked her, she's got, like, dried, like, dandruff. Like, it was not a big deal.

Brad Crowell 5:04  

So like, and I bet, like, with the right, you know, food types.

Lesley Logan 5:08  

They have her on a special food thing. So I didn't even notice it the second week, a week later. So, like, I think she's great. I also, like, don't be afraid of those older dog. And even if she's not there. 

Brad Crowell 5:16  

She's not very far yet. 

Lesley Logan 5:17  

Look at between four and six, like, a lot of times. Like, she so she's what's called the potty dog. Means she will not pee in her kennel. Will not she will hold it from the time they walk her at the last night for the next morning, that is like, 12 hours, like, so maybe it's a little less than that, but still, like. 

Brad Crowell 5:39  

Well, they close at six and open at six. 

Lesley Logan 5:39  

Yeah, I get yeah. So anyways, yeah. So definitely take a look at her. But I just mean, like, from dogs four to five, there's, like, something special about them. They are out of the puppy stage. They're still very trainable. They still have a lot of life in them. So now, Sadie, can we read Sadie? 

Brad Crowell 5:50  

Only one at a time. We're doing one at a time.

Lesley Logan 5:52  

Ah, okay. Are we adding this to every show? 

Brad Crowell 5:54  

We might, maybe we will. You tell us if you want us to feature a dog, but. 

Lesley Logan 5:58  

So here's the thing I wonder, like, but if they're not there, will people go and get a different one? 

Brad Crowell 6:03  

Well, here's the reality. We are obviously in Nevada. We're in Las Vegas specifically, and we're specifically talking about dogs that are at the Nevada SPCA. So if that is not applicable to you, which I imagine that's the majority of you, then just look up an SPCA near you.

Lesley Logan 6:17  

Yeah, they don't take government like the local ones do not take any government funding. They're always locally funded. They're no kill, and they're pristine. How they take care of these dogs, our SPCA has chinchillas, they have a family of chinchillas, there's bunnies. 

Brad Crowell 6:31  

There's like all the things. 

Lesley Logan 6:33  

But you can't. If you can't, if you tell me, I can't have a pet, then guess what you get to be, a volunteer, where you go, and you can literally just sit with you can pick up a pet and just hold it. They have rooms where you can, just, like, play with these animals. And guess what? You can just do it on Fridays. You could do it on Tuesdays, like, you get all the pet love you need. And like, not.

Brad Crowell 6:54  

Unless he's been walking the dogs in the morning. Once a week, thrice a week, sometimes.

Lesley Logan 6:58  

I would love to go more, but to be honest, it is, I mean, I work from home, so it is never on the way to anything, but I it means the world to me. And we, if you're an OPC member or you purchase anything at OPC, a percentage of all of our profits goes to our local SPCA. And I used to, we used to try to do international charities. I'm gonna be honest, the money doesn't actually do anything. So we went local, and it's really fun to see how the money makes it go. So here's the other thing, if you have a dog, I can't imagine you don't already bond with your dog, but if you need an excuse to call out sick today, today, here it is, oh, it's I gotta bond with my dog day.

Brad Crowell 7:34  

All right. Well, here's what's coming up for us. We are quickly filling Lesley's eLevate mentorship program for 2027 at this point, there might only be a few spots left. So if you're interested in what that even is, it's a nine-month Pilates mentorship with Lesley. Go to lesleylogan.co/elevate.

Lesley Logan 7:52  

Yeah, we actually, just like we came home, did a retreat with our eLevate grads, did the Cadillac weekend for eLevate. So it's been an eLevate season, and it's so fun. And we're currently in the week of spring training. 

Brad Crowell 7:56  

Yeah, it's happening literally right now. 

Lesley Logan 8:01  

And you can still join because the limited replays last for a whole week, so like, there's still time. So go to opc.me/events, because it's great. It's fun. It's fun to be in a community. It's fun to learn one theme when it comes to Pilates. It's fun to see what, what connections you can get. You always have an aha moment with OPC, so you should do it.

Brad Crowell 8:23  

Yeah. And we're about to announce the summer tour, so get yourself on the waitlist so you can get those tickets. Go to opc.me/tour, opc.me/tour, and we'll be going in August this year. We're going to be going straight across the middle of the country and then looping back through North Texas and then down into a little bit, down into Arizona. Yeah. Anyway, go, go check those out. Come join us. If the tickets aren't announced just yet, they're going to be announced any day now.

Lesley Logan 8:48  

Just so you know, the spots we're going in August, we're not going in December. That's how it works. 

Brad Crowell 8:54  

Yeah, we're intentionally trying to find new cities along the way, so we'll be in like, places like Knoxville. We never been there before, so I'm excited. 

Brad Crowell 9:02  

Anyway, we had a question this week, and anonymous is asking, I know that you do strength training, Pilates and sometimes yoga. I also do these three modalities, and I also run, but it becomes a lot. I'm trying to find the balance between all of those movement modalities throughout the week, I'm curious if you've got a schedule that works personally for you.

Lesley Logan 9:23  

So here's the actual schedule. So Sunday mornings, I weight train and do a little Pilates. Mondays, I do some personal Pilates in the morning, but we work out at night. We do weight train at night. Tuesdays, is Pilates, some yoga and some zone two, but they're all separate. I do morning Pilates and yoga, and then zone two in the afternoon. Wednesdays, it's just weight training at night. Thursdays is like Tuesdays, except for it's weight train instead of running. And Fridays is weight training and a little Pilates, like what my body still needs after a whole week. Saturday, I do nothing. I have a whole day of rest. I like Saturday. Sometimes I do a little most of the time, I do a little sauna blanket time. It sounds like a lot. I don't have children so.

Brad Crowell 10:13  

But effectively, you know, you're doing some intentional movement six days a week. 

Lesley Logan 10:17  

But also, and you should. And the other thing is, is like the way I do Pilates and yoga is not these high intensity cortisol, chaotic things.

Brad Crowell 10:26  

You're not going to a hot yoga room and sweating yourself to death and all the things. 

Lesley Logan 10:30  

No, sometimes my whoop band doesn't even think I did anything when it comes to yoga, unless I did some like handstand hiccups and my Pilates, it catches it, for sure. But like when I do Pilates Tuesdays and Thursdays, it's a full hour. The rest of the time when I do Pilates, I start with, I just tell myself 15 minutes, and if I have time to if I get more curiosity, I'll do 30. But it's rarely more than 30, so it's so I'm not doing like, three hours of workouts every day. We're talking between 90 minutes and two hours between all of the things I just said each day, and they're spaced out so that I can feel myself, so I can have some energy, so that I can sleep at night, because I'm 43 and sleep is hard for me. So all that, but it, I will also say another caveat to all this is, the only thing that I am creating for myself, workout wise, is the Pilates. Like, that's the only and I use an order because I'm a classical teacher, so like my mat and Reformer, they have an order. And then the rest of the stuff is like, oh, what does my body need? What connections do I need? I am not coming up with my weight training schedule. I am not coming up with my yoga thing. I I do invest in those things. I have a trainer who I can talk to and like, thank God for her, because there's days I don't want to do it, and because I paid for it, I go do it. So I will just say it is a lot. I don't think everyone should do what I do.

Brad Crowell 11:45  

Let's go back to the actual question. You know, have you found a schedule that works for you personally? 

Lesley Logan 11:50  

Well, yeah, I just yeah, I have, but I was just saying, like, I, I think one of the things you have to do is, first of all, at least one or two cannot be designed by you, like somebody else with that expertise should be doing it. I also don't go to a yoga studio for my yoga. I don't go to a Pilates studio for my Pilates like that, I think also affects the ability for it to be easy. As an ADHD person like I have to drive there, park my car and go do it. Sometimes that's too much. So for me, I do have luxury of doing my yoga is in real time. It's just on Zoom. So I love that. I put I make sure it's in gallery view so I can see everyone. I feel like I'm part of the thing, but I don't have to go anywhere like between class. And my next thing is, I fold my mat up and I move on to the next thing. So I think what I would suggest for this person, anyone else, it's like, what are the things you could do, either at home or at your job. How can you make it so you're not losing time going to things all the time? That's where OPC really helps out. Like, maybe you go to a studio once a week for equipment, but you do mat two or three times at home. Like, how can you make it so or you are at the gym doing your weight training, then you do your mat at the end, right? Because that's a 30-minute or less workout. It's really great. At the end, after weight training, it will, like, open everything up. And if you hate just laying there stretching, it's not that Pilates is stretching, but you get what I mean, like, it's a really good counter balance to it. So my suggestion to you is, like, one, it doesn't have the all or nothing. Two, get experts to design things for you that you're not an expert in. And then three, how can you shave the travel time off on some of these things? Because I don't think that everything has to be an hour all the time, but that's how businesses pay people, and they pay them by the hour. So that's why your sessions are 50 minutes. And that doesn't mean it's necessarily but you need all of those minutes.

Brad Crowell 13:37  

That's true. Great, great question. Thanks. If you have a question, feel free to reach out on any way you want, but we prefer, beitpod.com/questions where you can leave us both a win or a question. You can also text us 310-905-5534. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to start chatting about Dr Corey Winn. 

Brad Crowell 13:55  

All right. Dr Winn is a doctor of physical therapy and with 15 years of experience specializing in wheelchair seating and mobility, drawing from her uncle's experience with spinal cord injury, she founded the Carl Edward Foundation, which is a nonprofit serving people with spinal cord injuries and progressive neurological diseases. In addition to her clinical and nonprofit roles, she runs a women's coaching and consulting practice supporting women as they build their businesses and creating lasting legacies as entrepreneurs, her coaching focuses on helping high achieving women move beyond questioning their value, so they can stop settling for less than what they actually want.

Lesley Logan 14:36  

So I mean, Corey is a great listen, you guys, because she she's had non-linear like job changes that have put her where she is right now. And I think what we all need to hear is that that's kind of how life goes. We were talking about her like switching from the this full time job that she went to school for for so long and spent so much money to switching to health coaching, which is that led her into actually the coaching that she does today. And she was talking about how, like, if the clients did not feel worthy of taking care of themselves, it didn't matter what plan she gave them, like it did. Like these are already highest achieving, amazing women who know how to do follow a plan, they know how to check boxes, they know how to do, to follow directions, and they couldn't because they just didn't feel worthy of it. And I think that's really eye-opening thing for us to think about, because if you do have like the trainers, or you do have the coaches, or you have invested in the in the guides, but you're not doing the thing it, it may be worth just reviewing. If you feel like you're worthy of the thing that comes from that, you might not be feeling that way yet. So I thought that was really cool what we talked about, because we, I do think a lot of high-achieving women often wonder, like she said, who am I to do that? And it stops their progress. And so we, true success and whatever you want to do requires a mindset shift, where women embody the thoughts and desires and beliefs of who you want to become, right? Like I thought that was a really powerful thing to think about.

Brad Crowell 16:02  

Yeah. Well, you were also talking about, how did she effectively leave her job right, and then, like, being a doctor and being focused on, like, her specialty, with working with people in wheelchairs, how does she then coach people right? And that's where she was talking about this, you know, mindset, the the second guessing yourself. Right? So she, she was talking about that worthiness, and how do you know? How do you know that you're like, how do we get to the point where we feel worthy? Well, I'm asking you, How do we get to the point where we feel worthy? 

Lesley Logan 16:38  

To be honest, if you're waiting for someone else to say you're worthy. That's the problem. Like, I think everybody's waiting for outside indicators that they are worthy. You actually are born worthy. The fact that you're here is why you're worthy. Like every single person on this planet was born to make an impact on this planet, so you're already worthy. In fact, the problem is a bunch of fucking assholes out in the world who have shown through example that they are unworthy are the ones going out there with so much confidence in a mic that we go, go, oh my god, well, I'm not them, so I'm, no, you're born worthy.

Brad Crowell 17:11  

You're or they're judging from the sidelines and making people feel not worthy. You know, I think you're right, and also, too, it's funny because you two are mentioning it, you know, the more we're in the room, like coaching with other people and seeing, you know, big businesses, and realizing, oh, they're struggling with similar things that we're struggling with, just on a different scale, or maybe they're in a different point in the journey. But like, we might have this presentation that we have it all together, but we're all still figuring shit out, too, you know.

Lesley Logan 17:40  

I'll be honest. The who am I to do that is definitely something I resonate with. And then the few times, this many times we've been in rooms with other businesses who, like, flaunt these amazing numbers. Like, oh, our own launch was this many figures. And then you start to realize that the profit after what they spent to get that money is, like, so ridiculous. You're like, so you're making.

Lesley Logan 18:01  

They spend $1,000 on ads.

Lesley Logan 18:02  

So, like, I spent only 500 and I, like, made 30, and I'm but you're like, I made six 100,000 but you spent 90, like, I made more money than you. Why am so I remember always thinking, like, having imposters in those rooms. And then after a few of those times here, and I was like, I fucking a better business person than these people. These people just throw money at problems to feel like, to be able to have numbers, they can say at the end to say that they're worthy. But I'm worthy because I'm actually making the impact on a very small budget. And so I think it but that came from me. I had to observe and then like, integrate and like, and almost get a little angry and do that. I think that too many people are waiting for someone to come and deem them ready to be successful, and now you've you've now made it. You've been knighted worthy. No, I think if more, especially women who listen this podcast and the few good men, if more people actually thought they were worthy, we would not be in the muck we are in because too many people who are not worthy are just walking around with confidence.

Brad Crowell 18:49  

Well, I really loved when she was talking about time being an excuse. And this is this was tough. This one hit home for me, because we have this intention that we like to, you know, that we are going to do something, and then we don't make time for it. And the two of you were talking about the if you want a shopping spree to your favorite store, you would make time for it. You would totally figure it out and make time for it. So when we put it in that kind of context, do we, are we actually making time for the things that we say that we want, or are we making time for the things that we want? Right? So like there's and there's two different things there.

Lesley Logan 19:40  

Yeah. Well, here's the thing. I'll just give an example, and I, I've been struggling with way to post this on Instagram because I don't want it to come off arrogant. But you guys know me well, so we're gonna talk about it. So in the last two weeks of recording this podcast, so not now. Everything is fine today, but in the last two weeks, we found out multiple different people were using my image and the team had to do extra work to deal with that. Then we had our websites down for five days. All of them, I had to watch 48 20-minute videos and write notes, and then have 26 20-minute calls, it all took 30, on top of all the work I do, the YouTube videos, all the things, you guys, I missed zero workouts, not one, zero. So that's not a flex. It's because those things, the Pilates session, specifically, those those movement practices, they are the reason I can do all this stuff. And so I will, I will never say, oh, I don't have time to go work out. I don't have time for that? No, the other stuff is what I will have to fit in and find time, or find ways to delegate, or figure out if that's a problem I have to deal with right now. But like, I'm not if I were to go, oh, this is a shitty week. The websites are offline. I can't work out because I got to do this. That is terrible, like that, that's too easy. So I do think that if you keep saying I don't have time, enough time, I would definitely look at your schedule, because you're, you're using your time is being spent on something you don't, that doesn't you don't want it to matter so much. 

Brad Crowell 21:10  

Yeah, yeah, or, you know, I think, I think, though, you know, it's tough if you have a family, or like, kids or responsibilities in that way. I understand, I understand that. But there's also, you know, when it comes to that it's important that they understand how you value your time, too, and you you know that is something that can be a learning opportunity for them. 

Lesley Logan 21:33  

Exactly. Amy Ledin, either episode three, no, she was episode five, episode five, and then we've had her on again, I think at least twice. So here's the deal. Actually said actions are caught, not taught. She said it multiple times. She really believes it.

Brad Crowell 21:46  

Five and 610. 

Lesley Logan 21:47  

If you want your kids off their screens, they can do Pilates with you. If you can go on a family walk, you can't like if they see you practicing prioritization of the things you say matter, that means a lot to them. And I really do think that there is, I mean, obviously infants are a different story, but there and there is things you can do. There's also hopefully, of a partner, we can say, hey, it would mean a lot to me if I could get 20 minutes. You don't need a full hour, 20 minutes to do this thing that I said I wanted to do. These are the things that are really important to me. I need to find, can we sit down with the family calendar and find these times? Like, how can you get the family involved? I really want to write a book, right? So that's not me, but say maybe that's you. Maybe you want to write a book. Maybe you want to work on a thing. Hey guys, it would mean a lot. We had Stephanie at the Mullet Tour. She's like, I'm so jealous of your morning walks. I want to go on a morning walk. I found how old her kids were, and I said, So can't, are they incapable of making their own lunches? Like, yeah, it's a lot. I'm like, why don't you ask them, hey guys, it would mean a lot to me if before lot to me if, before I take you to school, I get to do a morning walk. Next day, next day. She texted me, I'm on my morning walk. They handled it. So I just think that sometimes we, yes, time with when you have kids and other and also, like some women have aging parents that they're also taking care of, time, there's always an excuse for not having time, but sometimes we're we also we get into a habit of not having time, and so we can't get out of that habit of not having time. And maybe you're in a season where you actually could make time for something important to you.

Brad Crowell 23:15  

Yeah, she, you know she's talking about when we use the excuse that we're blaming a lack of time. We're actually hiding the true obstacle. Now she are just to get underneath the excuse and ask, what? What is the real issue here? Is it fear, right? Is it like, how can we take radical responsibility for our time? How can we, how can we actually like, because otherwise we are being disingenuous with ourselves. We're lying to ourselves effectively, right? Like I am. I'm gonna do this thing and then we don't do this thing. And she said it might involve burning your calendar down and starting over. So she pointed out that people, they use seemingly positive or productive tasks as excuses. Oh my gosh. I just had so much work to do. You know? I didn't get a chance to go to do the thing, whatever the thing is, right? Or I'm planning to plan, or she, she said that maybe you're planning to plan, you know, like, you know, ultimately, but ultimately, making time for what actually matters requires that you take responsibility and stop stalling. You know, do I want to waffle in this, or do I want to move forward?

Lesley Logan 24:19  

Yeah, yeah. I think I also, I think getting on it all this is also just like saying, like, getting honest with yourself, if you honestly don't have time because you have young kids, you're taking care of, you are a single parent, you're also have an agent. Like, then we have to ask, okay, how do we get the community support? Because that's too much for any person. That's so much, and I'm not saying you have to find five hours, but like, let's how we get some little snacks to fill your cup so you feel worthy, you know, but I think I love burning down a calendar. I love starting over.

Lesley Logan 24:49  

Well, stick around. We might talk a little bit more about burning down calendars when we get back. 

Brad Crowell 24:49  

All right, finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Dr Corey Wynn? She said, invest in yourself. Invest in a community of other women who are going places that you are also going, and it's important to to make that investment with people who will hold space for your dreams. You know, you were talking about, how do we how do we push pause on family or friends who aren't supportive and, you know, can't get rid of them, but, like, don't really want to get rid of them, but like, definitely they're clearly not the support system. That's where we came in this investing with ourselves. She said, inevitably, you become the reflection of the five people you spend the most time with.

Lesley Logan 25:39  

That that, I know we all hear that cliche. It's so fucking true. It is the most true thing. Because if you are around people who are wanting to learn and wanting to grow and wanting to think they're even if you don't, aren't contributing to that conversation you are hearing about the things they're doing, it's very inspirational. You can feel your vibes change when you hang out with different people, like I don't even hang out with like, eyores anymore, because, like, I don't even have an eyore in my life. Because, like, you know, so, yeah. 

Brad Crowell 26:07  

Yeah. She said, you must actively and carefully curate your inner circle, you know, surround yourself with people who fill the roles of cheerleader, bruiser, a mentor, a coach, right? And also a mentee. I'm not opposed to a mentee, someone that you can you know, support.

Lesley Logan 26:24  

Well, that's a plus minus equals that I talk about all the time, and I attribute to someone who we can't figure out when he said it, but. 

Brad Crowell 26:26  

And it doesn't necessarily have to be in person, you know, like virtual communities are something you can be a part of. We recommend OPC.

Lesley Logan 26:37  

I think OPC is a great one. We have some great, oh my gosh, just like Heidi and Jasmine and some other amazing people, Hope, like Cassie, Laurie can't well, now I'm naming people, I might forget someone, I'm so sorry. Your name was said, but, like, but I'm thinking of these people who, like, they go into the community and they're like, I didn't have time today, and I I'm so proud because I did it, because I am worthy of doing this.

Brad Crowell 27:03  

Or I did five minutes. Yeah, I love it. Well, what about you? What's your biggest takeaway?

Lesley Logan 27:09  

So she said, look at your calendar every single morning, ensure that at least one thing scheduled it that brings you joy.

Brad Crowell 27:15  

Oh, yeah, I really like this.

Lesley Logan 27:16  

I mean, that is like, if you're like, oh my god, I'm may have to burn my calendar down. Nope. We're just gonna say there should be one thing scheduled that brings you joy. I'm thinking of, oh my god, his name was very interesting. I think I started with a D. He had that 2% situation, which is like. 

Brad Crowell 27:33  

Oh, right, 2% of your day. It's only 30 minutes.

Lesley Logan 27:34  

Yeah. So, like, 20 minutes of movement, 10 minutes of reading, and five (inaudible). No, it's like dol may del rey karate, del, now you're listening on real time how my brain works. Canadian, 2% 2% of your day. Like, definitely, that was the episode. El. 

Brad Crowell 27:58  

Okay, we found it. Dai Manuel.

Lesley Logan 28:01  

Dai Manuel I was so close, (inaudible) like. 

Brad Crowell 28:04  

Not even close. 

Lesley Logan 28:06  

Oh my god. Anyways, but he, goal is not episode. 

Brad Crowell 28:06  

185, episode 185. 

Lesley Logan 28:07  

I said it, under 200 episodes. Oh, one. So he talked about the 2% of your day, and he gives you like a Be It Action Item, and I think that that goes in line with like, something that brings you joy, that you're not checklisting, that like actually makes you feel good about yourself. And it can be as small as five minutes, but it has to be something you're looking forward to, something that brings you joy. So maybe, if you don't know what to do, write down a bunch of things you think could bring you joy and give it a try. And she definitely, she said, it might take a little bit time to figure out what that is. So give yourself grace. Grace, Be It babes, Grace. Oh my gosh. We give grace to strangers before we give it to ourselves. So like, please, by all means, give it to yourself. All right, I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 28:52  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 28:52  

Thanks so much for joining us today until next time go Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 28:53  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 28:53  

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Brad Crowell 29:36  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 29:41  

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Brad Crowell 29:46  

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Lesley Logan 29:53  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 29:56  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Brad Crowell 30:10  

Okay, this is episode 608 just kidding. Episode 680 Dr Corey Winn. 

Lesley Logan 30:18  

He's making fun of me now. 

Brad Crowell 30:20  

I was teasing a little bit. All right, here we go.

Lesley Logan 30:25  

Another making fun of me again.

When was the last time you looked at your calendar and felt joy? Lesley Logan sits down with Dr. Corey Winn — Doctor of Physical Therapy, Peak Performance Strategist, and host of Empower HER Radio — for a candid conversation on why high-achieving women keep stalling on the dreams they actually want. Corey shares why "I don't have time" is rarely the real issue and how to start building a life that actually fits you.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Recognize when the cost of staying is bigger than the fear of changing.
• The importance of making decisions from clarity, not from fear.
• Set boundaries with family who don't share your vision.
• Why you need to surround yourself with the right five people.
• How to take responsibility for how you spend your time.

Episode References/Links:

• Empower HER Radio with Dr. Corey Winn (Podcast) – https://beitpod.com/empoweherradio
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Guest Bio:

Dr. Corey Winn is a powerhouse leader, entrepreneur, and philanthropist dedicated to empowering high-achieving women, building lasting legacies, and transforming lives through philanthropy. As a Doctor of Physical Therapy, visionary business coach, and She Sells consultant, she has mastered the art of wealth creation, personal transformation, and high-impact leadership. Dr. Winn partners with SheSells and Super Human Selling to help elite women align their financial success with their soul’s purpose, shifting them from burnout to effortless abundance. Through her dynamic coaching, speaking engagements, and consulting, she equips ambitious women with the strategies and confidence to step into their highest earning potential while leading with authenticity and impact. As the founder of The Carl Edward Foundation, Dr. Winn is on a mission to revolutionize support for patients facing spinal cord injuries and progressive neurological diseases. By bridging financial gaps and advocating for greater access to life-changing resources, her foundation provides hope, dignity, and opportunities for a better quality of life. A devoted wife and mother, Dr. Winn exemplifies how family, business, and philanthropy can coexist in perfect harmony. She is passionate about creating generational wealth, empowering women to break through barriers, and leaving a legacy of impact that extends beyond her lifetime. With a rapidly growing global audience, a thriving business, and a foundation making a measurable difference, Dr. Corey Winn is redefining what it means to be a woman of influence, wealth, and service.

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Episode Transcript:

Dr Corey Winn 0:00  

You can be wasting time reading a book, like, I love to read. I could sit for hours and read. Is that moving the needle forward anything that I do? It might be filling my cup, but it's not moving my business forward. So it's also recognizing it might not be Doom scrolling social media. It might not be binge watching Netflix, it may be like, Oh, I should probably read for 30 minutes rather than two hours.

Lesley Logan 0:26  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 1:05  

All right, Be It babe, this one is totally for you. This is for my high-achieving women. This isn't for my women who have lots of things that they're wanting to do and struggling to find the systems to do it. This is for you. If you just want to, like, get a reminder of how to understand who you are, what you want, and how to get there. I'm so excited. Our guest is Dr Corey Winn, dear friend of mine, I've been on her amazing podcast. She's so smart, succinct. I mean, we could have talked for hours, but I also loved how she can get all the great information out in a way that you can use it, understand it, apply it. And I think you're really gonna love this. So here is Dr. Corey Winn. 

Lesley Logan 1:42  

All right, Be It babe, I'm super excited today, because I had the most fun being on today's guest podcast, and we had such a great conversation. I was like, oh, we should just keep talking. So you should just come on over to my podcast. So, Corey Winn, thanks for being here. Can you tell everyone who you are and why you rock so much?

Dr Corey Winn 1:58  

Yes, I love it. So talking about being it I am, Dr Corey Winn, it took me a very long time to own that, but I am a physical therapist for the past 15 years, and I also have a women's coaching and consulting practice, working with women, building their businesses and leaving legacy as female entrepreneurs. So it's been an incredible journey and road, and here we are. 

Lesley Logan 2:22  

Oh my gosh, yes. And also like, so wait a minute, are you like? Are you still doing physical therapy and you're doing all this stuff?

Dr Corey Winn 2:30  

I am. I have two very beautiful, but very different lanes, so I specialize in wheelchair seating and mobility. My uncle had a spinal cord injury, so I have a nonprofit that serves that population, and then I have my women's coaching and consulting practice, because I love female entrepreneurs. I'm never bored.

Lesley Logan 2:50  

That's that's true. And also, like, such different I like to go on lanes because, like, they are such different lanes. Okay, so, like, which came first? Was it the the doctor part, or the coaching part?

Dr Corey Winn 3:00  

Definitely the doctor part. So I've been a PT for 15 years, doctor of physical therapy. I actually tore my ACL in dance class, surprisingly enough, in high school, and decided I was going to go the PT route. So originally, I wanted to work with ABT or with women's basketball players, because I worked women's basketball in college, and then I found the life of neuro which really didn't surprise me, like I said, my uncle had a spinal cord injury, so I was around him and all of his wheelchairs my entire life, and really just began to love that realm of PT and focus really heavily in outpatient with Parkinson's disease. So that was that lane. But as many women and moms, the typical nine to five or eight to six and weekends and holidays really wasn't working, so pivoted and started my own coaching practice. And I still, like I said, I do PT, but I've worked my schedule around my kiddo in my life, so it's been really fun.

Lesley Logan 3:59  

That's so good. I love that. I love that well, also, like, we live in a different world now where I think, like, people are kind of used to that. And I always found, like, why is it? Why is everything like nine to five? How do people who are working nine to five get to anywhere? Like, why aren't there people who are like, oh, actually, we're like a, we're like, a 12 to seven kind of place, you know, like, what happened? So I think it's so cool that you get to do that. Okay, so, like, take us back, because, like, it's easy for us to go, like, look at you now, where you have, like, their two lanes, and they're distinct lanes, and they work around your schedule. But like, what was the middle like? What was it like trying to figure out like, I mean, you know, because I know a lot of people will listen to go they're doing something, but they're having this call to another thing. There's fear there. There's a lot of overwhelm. Also, it's not like the easiest thing you just go this is in this compartment, like there's a blend that has happening.

Dr Corey Winn 4:48  

Oh my gosh, I love that. Well, honestly, the first kind of nudge my daughter was six months old, and as I was getting ready for work one of the many mornings, she crawled across the bathroom floor for. First time. And I was like, oh my gosh, I'm so excited. Couldn't wait to tell her teacher at daycare dropped her off like you'll never guess what she did this morning. And I told her, and she looked at me, just dead panned, and said she did that yesterday, and walked away. And I looked at her, and I said, can you please not tell me those things? And she looked at me just very shocked, and I said, I already know I'm missing so much. Just let me believe. I don't need you to lie. Just let me believe that I thought. 

Lesley Logan 5:30  

Or at the very least they should have told you that she did crawl like they're when you picked her up. Hey, she crawled today. Did you know she does that? Like, agree, since they missed out. They should just been like, oh my god, look at her. Like they should just kept it to themselves. There are white lies for a reason. 

Dr Corey Winn 5:46  

Right. Yeah, same, Yep, absolutely. And I was just so crushed because I was like, oh my gosh, that is just blatantly obvious how much I'm missing. And so then it was like, well, what do I do? I was going to be in this lane. I was going to do this until I retired. I went to school for a long time. What do I do now? This doesn't work with my life. I'd love to say, oh, I pivoted and it was beautiful after that. No, I was scared to death, so I just said, okay, well, I can work, you know, less hours, that's where it started. But then fast forward, years later, I actually started as a health coach, more for my own health than anything else, but as I was coaching these women, I was realizing the issue isn't the program or the nutrition or the exercise plan or the whatever like those things are inherently easy to follow. Most women I work with are very high-achieving. They know how to check boxes. They know how to follow a plan. They can manage all the things, but if they didn't feel worthy of taking care of themselves, it didn't matter. So that was where I really pivoted and said, no, I'm working with women who are badasses, who are going for things and not settling for anything less. Yes, at one point they were burned out. Yes, at one point they were stressed, but now they've said, no, I've had this view, or I've had this product, or I've had this idea that I wanted to do with forever. I'm going for it. So that's how I ended up coaching.

Lesley Logan 7:13  

Yeah, I think there's like, always, like, a little thank you for taking us on the journey. Because, like, it's not like, you just like, land on the next thing. Like, most of us have little detours along the way, or or building blocks, or going like, oh, I think this is a thing. But it's like, wait a minute, this, this is not their problem. And also, with the way the world is going today, like, anyone can just download a health thing, and also most people, unfortunately, are just going to just get shot. So it's like, okay, great. But then now that you've done that, like, what's the actual root issue of the thing. So can you describe, like, how? Because I imagine, like, I imagine the way you're coaching them is also like, going to be it till you see it kind of way. It's like, there's, there's got to be some sort of acting as if they're ready. So how does that look? What does that look like?

Dr Corey Winn 7:59  

Well, in so many women, and I'm sure you do this, you, all of us, every high-achieving woman I've ever worked with has questioned their value, questioned their worth, questioned their expertise. Who am I to do that, that, that stopped me for years. So it's one, getting huge clarity on what you want. So often, the women I work with, nobody's asked them what they want for years because they're married, they have kids, they have a job, they're holding all the things together, so it's what you want, and then embodying the thoughts, desires, the beliefs that that woman has, and then creating your life and making decisions along that line, not making decisions from fear.

Lesley Logan 8:39  

Well, but that's the hardest part, because like, to be honest, usually when you when you figure out their clarity, sometimes I think they know, but they don't want to admit it, because it means, often, like, letting go of something else. Like you had to, like, reduce hours somewhere. You had to, like, let go of the coaching thing. Like, it means almost like we feel that if we stop doing something else, that we're letting people down because they have expectations of us, and we are so used to meeting everyone's expectations and our own. So how does that work? Because, like, that's the hardest part. 

Dr Corey Winn 9:09  

I think for me, it was being really honest with myself and figuring out what it was going to cost me to not do those things. And I don't remember exactly how old my daughter was, probably four or five, but I remember having this horrible sense of failure because my mom did all the things. She was carpool, she worked full time, she was home on the the teacher work days, all the things, and I remember thinking she did it all. Why does this feel so hard. Why can't I figure it out? 

Lesley Logan 9:43  

I think it was hard for them, too. 

Dr Corey Winn 9:45  

At some point, I was like, Corey, you don't have to do it all. And learning to receive help, ask for help. And on the other side of that, it was I want my daughter to know, and my bonus kiddos, who are grown now, they're doing their own thing, but I want them to know that they don't ever have to stay in their lane. They don't have to stay in the box that maybe somebody else made for them, and I don't want them to ever be too afraid to try. So hey, I've tried, I've pivoted, I've done things, and it wasn't always easy, but it was like, what is, what's going to be the cost of me staying here? Is it my sanity? Is it my soul? Is it my happiness? Is it my family?

Lesley Logan 10:32  

Yeah, I think that's I think that's tough. Like, you almost have to take a piece of paper out and get really clear, like, this is what I want, okay, what does it cost me to not do the thing. I mean, that's what people don't realize, and I don't I, you know, like, it's really funny. I don't even know your mom probably did it really well, but I don't even know if they were doing all the things all very well. But also, we didn't have so many other things to do. Like, there are so many things to do. I'm currently, like, before getting on this call with you, going back and forth, texting a doctor, and they're like, okay, well, that's not a that's, no, it's not an uncommon issue. You have to call around, you know, and do these things. And I'm like, that, people didn't have to do that. Back then you would go, and then it would happen. And maybe it took, they'd say, okay, in two days, it's gonna happen. But like, there was, like, things were slower, and now everything is so fast, and it takes time. And so I think, like, sitting down and getting really clear, like, really clear, like, what is the cost of keeping going with the thing that you don't want to be doing? So how do you exit? Like, what's the kind to just like, the worst place, how I'm really good at exiting is blowing it up. So we're better at that now, better at that now. 

Dr Corey Winn 11:37  

You can turn it all to the ground (inaudible) yeah, you know, for me personally, on the one hand, I'm somebody who would love to just burn it all down. I mean, I'm like, let's go. We're doing this now. And the more fearful maybe, or the more practical version of me is like, oh, we still have bills to pay, and that's reality. You know, some people can burn it all to the ground, and the steps come and and there, and there's nothing wrong with that. What I work with my clients on is what feels good to you, because it doesn't matter what I did if it doesn't feel good in your soul to do it that way. It's not going to be successful. And my biggest goal is to help my clients trust themselves again, trust their process and do what works for them. Some of them, they're like, yep, burning it all to the ground, leaving tomorrow. We're done with that. Some of them are like, I want six months of savings in the bank before I totally pivot and go on this idea. Both are both are fine. Both are right. It's just what feels good to you.

Lesley Logan 12:48  

Yeah, I agree. Like in my youthful days when it was just rent to pay and no one on my payroll, I could burn it down. And, you know, as as I'm older, a little wiser, and also, like, I care about all the things that I do, I do think some sort of runway and roadmap and plan and based on, like, a value system, right? Like, having these are my values, and so if I follow my values in this change, like, how, how does that change align with those values? Because then it will feel good, you know? Because, like, it's one thing to just like pivot, and it's the other thing to like feel good while you're pivoting. You want to be like, oh, I let those people down. I mean, you still might, but as long as you, like, let them in on the journey, like, that could be the runway. Yeah, I get that. 

Lesley Logan 13:27  

And I think it depends on, like, who it matters whether you let down, if that makes sense. 

Lesley Logan 13:33  

Oh, okay. 

Dr Corey Winn 13:34  

There are people in your life who you don't need permission from. And I don't mean permission, like, yes, you can do that. But like family members who don't believe in you, or friends who are like, oh, what are you doing? Their opinions don't matter. They're not paying your bills. You know, if the people in your life are on board and they're going for it, and they aren't always, I'm very, very lucky. My husband's always like, yes, where are we going? What are we doing? But surrounding yourself with a group of people, whether it's friends or their family, whether it's mentors and coaches who hold that vision for you, and are like, All right, let's go. We're doing it.

Lesley Logan 14:11  

Yeah, I know that's interesting. Like, I was just having coffee with a girlfriend. I'm like, it can be really difficult to like, I'm a boundaries queen. So like, it's not like, it's that, but like, it is still difficult. There's people who don't in your life who don't want to respect those boundaries, because they're like, this is how I want to operate, and this is how everyone should operate. And it can feel really hard to like, not let those people on the journey. Like, how do you, I don't know, what do you say? How have you coached people who have those family or friends that they're just not able to like, kick to the curb? You know, they don't, they don't, their opinions don't matter. They know that consciously, but also they're still kind of like, having the hard like, how do you put those people in? Like, I don't know. Can we put them in a closet? Like, what do we do?

Dr Corey Winn 14:53  

You know, honestly, this is a very difficult journey for me, because I have a very large family who has lots of opinions, and I just wanted to fit in. I don't personally have any siblings, so my immediate family is very small, but oh my gosh, cousins, aunts, uncles, everybody has an opinion about how it should go and how it should be. And it took me a very long time to really sit still and listen to my heart and say, Are these people along for the long haul? Are they here to support me, or are they questioning everything that I do, or judging or whatever? And it it was difficult. It was a grieving process to say I love you and I'm not going to allow you to bring me down anymore. And for me, it wasn't even like I had to have a heart to heart conversation. It was just like, I'm not going to allow that energy in my space anymore, but I had to get to a point where I was okay with that, because I I don't speak to a lot of family that doesn't hold those same values, and that was hard growing up with a huge family and cousins and family reunions and all the things, but I realized they're not going where I'm going, and that's okay. They're not bad people. I'm not a bad person. But it was a grieving process, for sure. And so I work with my clients on figuring out where their boundaries are, what works for them, and also letting them give themselves permission to say, I'm not going to have lunch anymore, or I'm not going to call this person when I'm having contrast, because they're not going to help me get out of it. 

Lesley Logan 16:33  

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think lists, guys, I'm hearing a lot of lists, you know, especially until it becomes easier for for us. You know, I also think that, like it sounds like sometimes we need to surround ourselves with better people, maybe not better people, just the right people, I should say, because some people can be great and then the wrong people. What are your tips? Because I feel like a lot of women, especially high-achieving women, it's hard to sometimes have the time to go make friends or like, people who can be in their corner, like it can just feel like they end up doing everything for everybody at some point. So like, what is your best suggestion for that? Because you're gonna need people on your journey.

Dr Corey Winn 17:13  

Invest in yourself. That's the best thing I have ever done. Invest in a community of other women who are going places that you're going. That's how I met you. I met you through Jessica Papineau. And being around women who hold space for your dreams, who are like grabbing their bag and saying, all right, show me where, let's go, versus really you're gonna do that? Why? And I was actually at Brooke Hemingway's Align event back in January, and Justin, think it's Justin Shank said there's five people who you need to surround yourself with, a cheerleader, a bruiser, a mentor, a coach, and essentially, somebody who's going to always be there for you to have, you know, be your shoulder. And it really hit me, because you are the five people you surround yourself with. So like, I love my parents, but I don't want the same financial set point that they had, so I'm not going to go to them for business advice. That's okay. And I think having that clarity of, like, I'm going to go to this mentor for this thing, or I'm going to surround myself with this type of woman for this thing, and it doesn't have to always be in person. You know, there's a lot of virtual communities you can be a part of, and that was really where it started for me, because there's a lot of networking groups out there that maybe aren't the right room for you. And that's okay.

Lesley Logan 18:36  

I know, I know I feel like I get invited to a lot of rooms, and I'm always like, so knowing who I am and knowing what I do, I can't be in this room, because I'm gonna have all on the fixing all your stuff, your journey, I will just make like because I won't want to waste my time. And so it's like, I can't, you know, and it's hard, because sometimes I find like, the way I was raised, I kind of feel like I'm letting people down by, like, not taking their invitation. But also, it's like, I can't be in every room, and if the rooms aren't going to be the right place for me, or I feel like the little snake oily salespeople, you know, clicky. I don't like that stuff, so I am kind of allergic to but it takes time to figure out, like, oh, is this group the right group, you know? And then, like, being kind to yourself if you accidentally chose the wrong group because you thought it was the right group, you know?

Dr Corey Winn 19:23  

Right well. And I think there's something to be said. I think there's a lot of women wounding out there. I think there was a lot of fear for me to walk into rooms with other women of like, am I going to be accepted here? Am I going to be welcomed here? What's it going to be like? And giving yourself grace, like you said, to exit if you need to, or or relax, like I needed to do, and go, okay, this, this is a safe space.

Lesley Logan 19:45  

Yeah, I'm incredibly grateful that you can like block and bless. You know, it's like, I like, not everyone needs to know you left. I'm the queen of an Irish goodbye, especially when I found out that it was the kindest way to leave a space. It's like, it means that you're it's not about you when you leave, I'm like, I am more obsessed with an Irish goodbye than ever before, because I'm like, oh, it's not about this is not about me. So then you know that I left.

Dr Corey Winn 20:08  

Yeah, think about I think originally, I feel like I heard you kind of say you want to help everybody. You want to be part of everything. And then you really realize, like, okay, these are not my people. And once you get incredibly clear on who you work with, they flock to you versus, you know, the people who maybe aren't ready or aren't willing to invest in themselves, they exit themselves.

Lesley Logan 20:28  

Yeah, no, I think it's true. I think there's like people who they find you and they're they're like a magnet to you when you're really clear, because either they're totally ready or they aspire to be ready. And I think that those are the best ones to work with when you're there's, it's like a push versus a pull, right? Like, like, if you're constantly trying to be like, hey, I'm the person, this is the thing. Like, that's really push, you know, forward. That's hard, and it means you sometimes push wrong people into your spaces. But if you if you're a bit more clear, and you own that, and I think that that is one of the kindest things. Like, I had somebody asked me about inclusivity, and I'm a big fan of inclusivity. Of course, everyone should feel like they belong somewhere, but it might not be my space. But it is important for me to know what space, based on what I know about that person might be right for them, so that they find something like, you're a physical therapist specialize in neurological there's any people who come to you who just need, you know, hip stuff. It's like, of course, you're smart, you know how to do it. But like, Are you the best hip person? Probably, like, there's someone better, right? Right. 

Dr Corey Winn 21:28  

Not anymore. 

Lesley Logan 21:29  

Yeah. So, like, so it's like, you it's inclusive to, like, know those spaces and guide people on the other direction as well. I think, yeah. 

Dr Corey Winn 21:37  

Absolutely. 

Lesley Logan 21:38  

Yeah. So what do you what do you say to the person who's like, I get it, I get that I should invest in myself, but they have that, that time. Excuse, I don't have the time. You know, like you had kids and another job and a nonprofit. How do we give ourselves permission to find the time? 

Dr Corey Winn 21:56  

I hope I can get permission from your audience to be incredibly blunt, because I'm going to be, you know, it's what you make time for. I mean, being a very, very radical, taking radical responsibility for your time. I mean, and I this past January, I was like, hmm, this, this time management quote process isn't working for me. It's not building me the way that I want to so taking responsibility for maybe burning your whole calendar down and starting over, but time isn't the real issue. So really getting underneath like, okay, it's not time. What is the real issue? Is it fear? Is it someone else's expectations? What's really behind it? Because time is just an excuse. We all make time for the things that are important to us.

Lesley Logan 22:44  

Right. It's true. Like, if we were like, you could say, oh, I can't do anything tomorrow. If I would say, oh, but it's I got a free shopping spree to, like, the your favorite store, you would fucking find the time. Like, it's a free shopping spree to your favorite store, you know? So we find, we find the time all the time. So, so it's really about making sure that you're, you're clear on what that is, because, and I get it, like, there are people who have families who need them, you know, for different reasons. You have an infant, you have a young toddler, you have somebody who has a neurological condition going on in their house, there's they're gonna need you. But also there's, there's still other time in your day. And like, how are you spending it? And they're the the phone is a great space that wants to suck all of our time. I find myself wasting time on it all the time. Oh, yeah, yeah. So, like, we can, there's time. And also you'd be surprised. 

Dr Corey Winn 23:33  

You can be wasting time reading a book. Like, I love to read. I could sit for hours and read. Is that moving the needle forward anything that I do? It might be filling my cup, but it's not moving my business forward. So it's also recognizing it might not be doom scrolling social media, it might not be binge watching Netflix. It may be like, oh, I should probably read for 30 minutes rather than two hours.

Lesley Logan 23:59  

Right, right. So you're still filling your cup. But like, you know, how much are you and what, what does that space look like? I think you're totally right. Like, I think we, like, are like, oh, and I don't doom scroll, I know what this, I still have the time, right, but are you like, still organizing the kitchen, right?

Dr Corey Winn 24:13  

Or planning to plan to plan to make a plan.

Lesley Logan 24:16  

Yeah, exactly like, I have people who are like.

Dr Corey Winn 24:20  

I'm saying that from me. I'm not judging, I'm not pointing fingers. Like that was me, and I had to take radical responsibility for, like, okay, what do I want to waffle in this? Or do I want to move forward?

Lesley Logan 24:32  

Yeah, and I think that, like, first of all, everyone, like, we say these things in jest, because we spot it, we got it. Like, the reason we can call this out is because we did those things, you know, like, we find ways to I have too much email, so guess what? I found a system that means someone else reads my email. Someone else reads it. I read it's so rare that I respond to an email before it's read by somebody else. Because I'm not I don't go into my regular inbox. I usually go straight into this, like one inbox, where I'm responsible for responding at these things or looking at these things. And I'm telling you, what has given me is I check my email, like, once a week, probably dangerous, because sometimes it's like, my assistants, like you really do need to respond to this one. I'm like, oh, okay, but like, I check it once a week, because, like, it was so hard. I was like, I am stuck between Slack and our, you know, our system that tells me what, what jobs I have to do today, and the email and the text messages, like, I want to talk to my friends too. Like I can't do all the I can't check in all of the platforms all the time. So I check my email like once a week, and I check the Slacks like three days a week. Because honestly, if it's super, super important, someone else is going to call me and go, you have got to respond to this.

Dr Corey Winn 25:37  

Yes, yeah. We need your input here. Please answer.

Lesley Logan 25:40  

Yeah. And I think, like, look, if you're brand new at what you're doing and what you're getting into, there is some need to be a bit more available to be reached out, because you're new and you're building your stuff up. I am definitely, you know, my god, 15, 16, years into my coaching business, and, you know, almost 18 years into teaching, like, people will wait 48 hours for a response from me, you know, like, they will so, but I also know that, like, unless what you're doing is brain surgery, and I don't mean that, like, what you're doing is not important, but most things can wait 48 hours for a response. So you can still make time for things and block things out. And as an ADHD person, I thrive in systems. So like you just there, you just have to find the one that works for you. 

Dr Corey Winn 26:24  

Oh, yeah. My calendar, I think would really scare most people, because it's so color-coded and it's so almost minute by minute. But for me, that has given me clarity to complete this task and move on to the next one. Because for somebody who was a physical therapist full time for so many years, a new patient comes in every 45 minutes. You have to have your note done all these things like it was so regimented. And stepping into the entrepreneurial world, you can work all day or none at all. So figuring out the system is important, but know that it can change. There's still no rigid blocks. It's no taking inventory of is this still working for me? Because what you did probably doesn't work, but just look at who Lesley Logan is today.

Lesley Logan 27:11  

Not at all. And thank God, there's so many new tools out there. Yeah, no, I think that's really important. And thanks for sharing that like it's so color-coded minute by minute. Because I do think some people think some people think that they're weird when it's like that, but I am someone who actually the same way. Like, if I I want to know how long something can take, so I can go, oh, I have time for that. But if it's like, we need this today, and it's like, well, how long will that take? Like, I have to go, is it a 15-minute project? Is it a 20-minute project? Like, you start to learn, like, how long things are, because everything takes the amount of time you give it. It really, really does. And you'd be surprised, like, how quickly some things can get done if you just, you just do it. I think the other thing we're saying, without saying, is like, you need to know yourself and get by the way, by the way, becoming an entrepreneur, entrepreneurial, you'll learn a lot about yourself.

Dr Corey Winn 27:55  

I would never have identified as somebody who has ADHD, and I'm not diagnosed, but things that bounce around in my head all day. My husband will look at me every so often. He's like, are you going to finish that sentence? 

Lesley Logan 28:07  

No, you did in your head. You did it in your head? Yeah, no. The reality is, I don't think that. I don't know many entrepreneurs that could be neurotypical. I think it's just like a thing that we all find ourselves in because we're doers and our brain thinks so fast and and I had no idea. I thought my husband was the one with ADHD, and I got diagnosed this week that we're recording this, so who knows when y'all are hearing this, but, like, in, but I, like, two years before someone told me that I did that, she's like, oh, your classic case. And I'm like, what are you talking about? Like, I know. And I looked what women and ADHD look like, and I'm like, oh, my whole life I I just thought I was, this is what I told my psychiatrist. I said, well, I thought I was an Aquarius, and so that's why, I mean, I am an Aquarius, but like, I thought, because I'm an Aquarius, that's why I have a lot of things and that I have conversations in my head. And it's like, she laughed out loud, like audibly laughed out loud. She's like, well, you are an Aquarius, but you also have ADHD.

Dr Corey Winn 29:06  

I'm a Scorpio, but I totally identify with that. 

Lesley Logan 29:08  

You, you have to like, the more you get to know yourself, and it makes it easier for you to figure out, what kind of systems do you need, what kind of team members do you need? Like, I am becoming increasingly aware that, like, I probably need more people on my team that are neurotypical, because I we all can't have ADHD. So I'm glad he has to get things done in a different way. But like, I think when it's coming and it I also think we have to, it's shocking how fast things happen when you take your time. You know what I mean? Like, if we we start to think I should probably it should go faster by now. But it's like, actually, if you take the time to know your values and know your clarity and understand what your fears are and understand what kind of systems you need, you'd be surprised how fast you go. Now, some of you will actually just stick in the in the learning about yourself and the planning to plan and plan to plan, like, like Corey said, but no, you'll learn that about yourself as well, and it really does help. All right, Corey, what are you most excited about right now?

Dr Corey Winn 30:08  

That's kind of a hard one. There's, like I said earlier, there's two different lanes. So I am launching, like a business building intensive for my community. So anybody who's like brand new entrepreneur just launching like you are my person. Let's get in. Let's sit for a day, either virtually or in person, if you're here in Colorado, and like, map it out, figure it out what systems you need, who you're doing. But then on the other side of that, we're getting to start early this year, but our annual gala for the foundation will be in October, so starting to talk to venues and reach out to people, because today is actually Colorado Disability Advocacy Day.

Lesley Logan 30:49  

Oh, so you guys just know it today, that day is we're recording, February 12th, so. 

Dr Corey Winn 30:54  

That's true. It's February 12 here in Colorado. So you know there's things going on at the Capitol, there's things going on around town. So like you, I am fiercely protective of inclusive spaces and access and accessibility. So I will likely be doing some talks on that in the coming future to like position groups and whatnot. So lots of things brewing, just lots of excitement going on. 

Lesley Logan 31:19  

I but of course. But you know, what's so funny is, like you say it's two lanes, but now that you brought up advocacy, I just think that, like, because of the work you've done in advocating for that special population you work with, it makes it so much easier for you to, like, tell women that you coach like how to advocate for themselves, like this. It's all the same thing. And if we by the way, if you don't, you don't have to be someone who, like, does talks in front of crowds about advocacy, like advocating for yourself is like, kind of an essential skill set, so that, not just so you can get your dreams to happen, but also so that you you feel seen, and you belong and and you get your needs met. 

Dr Corey Winn 31:54  

Right. Well, and you talked earlier, just about talking to the doctor, you know, I am fiercely protective of women because of the amount of times I've been dismissed at the doctor's office by women physicians. So, you know, being in spaces where I can help other women recognize there's a different room for you and that's okay, or if the door is shut here, there's one open over here, you know, and I do think inherently that is my, my passion is helping people reach their full potential. It's not just women. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 32:28  

Well, because if the women you help are reaching their full potential, it's a there's like a bubble of influence that happens. So I agree, I agree, and I think that's so it's so key. Oh my gosh. Well, I mean, we could talk for another bit on all of this stuff, but we're gonna take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you and work with you and your Be It Action Items. 

Lesley Logan 32:48  

All right, Corey, where do you hang out? Where do you teach these amazing women to get clarity and advocate for themselves? Where is all where's your fun places to be.

Dr Corey Winn 32:57  

I love it. Thank you so much. So I'm on Instagram @coreywinndpt, I'm on LinkedIn @coreywinn and if you head to Her Quantum Rise, you can see all the different ways you can work with me, reach out, schedule a free call. I'm happy to just jump on the phone and figure out what you need and how I can help.

Lesley Logan 33:17  

Perfect. I love that. That's so nice, so nice when people are like, Hey, I'm open and I'm ready. And I think that sometimes people need to know if it's right space for them. You've given us a lot of stuff. So if it but feel free to repeat yourself. But, Be It Action Items, bold, executable, intrinsic or target steps people can take it to be till they see it, what do you have for us? 

Dr Corey Winn 33:35  

Every morning, I want you to look at your calendar and make sure there's something on it that brings you joy. It doesn't matter whether it's five minutes, like Fridays, I typically try and take off and have a whole self-care day. And that doesn't necessarily always mean like bubble bath and other things, but something in your calendar every single day that brings you joy because it allows your productivity to improve. It fills your cup, and it may take a little bit of time to figure out what that is. So give yourself grace.

Lesley Logan 34:07  

I love that I'm obsessed with morning I really like, I really am and I am also someone who like, if, if I sleep in and my morning routine gets shortened, I'm like, I love it when it's like, I love a three full hour luxurious like getting into my day, but like finding I love that also finding something that brings you joy. So many of us, sometimes there's things on the counter that used to and we like lost our way, so I think that's beautiful. And if you don't have something, that you have to find something. And that's cool. I love this, 

Lesley Logan 34:34  

Corey, you're so amazing. This is so fun. Thank you for being you and y'all how are you going to use these tips in your life? Make sure you tell Corey, tell the Be It Pod, and then share this with a friend who needs to hear it. Because, you know, especially if you're like, oh, I want to do this, and my this person wants to do it, you guys can do the journey together. You can be on it together, and and, and support each other, and, and then you'll, you know, we all like you have the person's five groups. I really think. Like, we all need people who are pluses in our life, equals in our life, and then someone who's behind where we're going, you know, because that lets us know how far we've come, someone who understands the journey we're on, and someone who's who's paved the way. And you can see, like, okay, there is a light at the end of this tunnel. It's not a train. You know?

Dr Corey Winn 35:15  

The world isn't gonna drop off. You're not gonna fall off the other side. 

Lesley Logan 35:18  

Yeah, exactly. Thanks Craig for being here. All right, everyone. Thanks so much. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 35:25  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 36:07  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 36:12  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 36:17  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 36:24  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 36:27  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

In this energizing Fuck Yeah Friday episode, Pilates coach and host, Lesley Logan shares why acknowledging progress matters more than waiting for big milestones that may never feel enough. She spotlights incredible listener wins, from leading skilled skydivers to finally surviving nighttime potty-training season, and reveals a personal behind-the-scenes project that’s pushing her to think bigger and act bolder.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] .

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• The eleven quotes that she finds inspiring from Lewis Hatchett.
• Celebrating skydiving merit badges and nighttime potty training milestones.
• Finishing a secret project draft without needing external accountability buddies. 
• This week's affirmation to surround yourself with calm peace.

Episode References/Links:

• The Four Tendencies by Gretchen Rubin - https://a.co/d/0g8ujQhj
• Lewis Hatchett Instagram Quotes - https://beitpod.com/lewishatchett
• Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah. 

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:44  

All right, Be It babe. How are you? Welcome to another FYF, another Fuck Yeah Friday. It's because we need things like wins in our lives. We need fun times to celebrate the little things that we did and the little things that we're doing. And you'll hear my win, and you'll hear how that's a win in a second that might inspire you to send your wins in to beitpod.com/questions.

Lesley Logan 1:07  

So I have, I have a thing in all my memberships where you have to celebrate your wins. And if you need a bitch, there is a bitch channel, that you have to go celebrate a win. And I hate when I have to go, oh, this is really terrible. This happened to you. You have to go celebrate a win, because you can't just, like, dump your shit. You gotta go celebrate your win. But on the Be It Pod, we just have wins, right? And inspiring things, and wins, and wins can be small, big, all the things in between, but they're yours, and I love sharing yours. So beitpod.com/questions is where you can send a win in and because it'll come out a couple months after you send it, and then you'll go, oh my god, I can't believe I forgot that I did that thing. I am doing great things. 

Lesley Logan 1:43  

So before we get to your wins, these are 11 quotes that will hit you like a train. Lewis Hatchett, the link will be in this from Instagram. What a blessing to be tired in the pursuit of a challenge of your choosing. What a blessing to be tired in the pursuit of the challenge of your choosing. Yeah, I think we forget that we get to do this. I'm really grateful. Like, in the last couple of years, it's really, I don't get to go, I don't go. Why am I doing this? Because I want, I'm doing all the things I want. Like, I woke up and I'm like, you're doing all the things you want so you better, like, stop being tired. Like, those are, like, things people say around you that you pick up and you're like, oh, I should say, oh, my god, I'm so busy. But like I'm excited. I've got good things going on. Okay? Another one. People may laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at them because they're all the same. I like that one. It's nice. It's a little petty, but I like it. You're doubting yourself while others are terrified of your potential. Boom.

Lesley Logan 2:39  

Your whole path can be determined by who you surround yourself with. So yes, be selective. We just talked about that in the episode that's coming out with Corey Wynn. So yes, you're getting close. That's why it's getting tough, right? It's always harder at the top of the peak. Look at the way you struggle and tell me you're not strong. Look at the way you struggle and tell me not strong. My goodness, like look at the things that you're having to deal with you, the only way you could do that is if you were a strong person, you wouldn't be given something you can't struggle with, right? An underrated skill in people is the ability to suffer well. It's not going to be smooth sailing, so it's an underrated skill. Thank yourself for having it. You are what you do, not what you say you'll do. You are what you do, not what you say you'll do. Any lesson you refuse to learn will repeat itself until you do. Well, that's true. So true. Vision without execution is just hallucination. Okay, that hits. Mistake that makes you humble is better than an achievement that makes you arrogant. Love those. Love, love, love, love those. You'll hear a couple of these apply to the win I have in just a moment. 

Lesley Logan 3:57  

Now let's get to your win. So we have a couple wins from @amandalgpilates. I led a group of very skilled B-level skydivers all weekend to earn specialized merit badges. That's cool. That's like, I don't even know why they're getting merit badges, but like, I love this. What a fun that's gonna be inspiring. I'll never skydive, but I love that for you. But also, she sent, my kid is officially nighttime potty-trained. We're diaper free house again. You know what, Amanda, that is a fucking huge win. I don't even have kids, and I imagine that that's got to just feel like, like you got to be going, who needs these diapers? Where are these I mean, like, I'm sure, like, so many different things open up in your life. So what a win. Thanks for celebrating with us. I am just so excited for you. I know we have so many listeners who are like, yes, yes, go, Amanda. See, isn't that fun to hear other people's wins? You're like, oh, that's a win. I had a win like that, yeah, and you didn't celebrate it. You got to celebrate it. 

Lesley Logan 4:43  

So my win. So okay, here's the deal. I can't tell you what it is. Some people know, but I've been working on something behind the scenes, something that's been on my mind. I want to say October. So, you know, we're coming, you know, half a year, but I've been working on it, and I'm really proud of where the first draft is, and I'm really excited to take action on it. And it's a win, because I am with my ADHD, like, shiny object syndrome person, and it's really easy for me to say I'm going to do something, and then, like, especially if people don't know I'm going to do it, not that I'm not going to do it, because, like, my four tendencies, the tendency I have, is I'm going to do it, but I could just take a little longer with it. And this is something I did not want to take a long time with. I wanted to get it done in less than nine months, because the people who are going to use it are going to need it. So I'm extremely excited for what this has turned out to, how it's challenged me, and it goes into that like a vision without action is just a hallucination. Like this is not a hallucination. This is going to be something that it's going to challenge me in humongous ways. It's going to make me have to be bigger and bolder and think in a different aspect. And I'm excited for that challenge. So anyways, my win is I'm working on the thing I said I work on without having to have accountability buddies everywhere to get it done. And I'm not saying that you should need that, like some people's tendencies do. Read The Four Tendencies book if you haven't ever done that. But sometimes we don't have at least a deadline. It's hard for all of us to do anything, because there's other things that like take over and this one, nope, this one, this one, this one's sticking, and this one's gonna change people's lives, and I'm super excited about it. 

Lesley Logan 6:23  

Okay, your affirmation. Calm and peace surround me. Calm and peace surround me. Calm and peace surround you, Be It, babe. All right. Thank you so much. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 6:39  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 7:21  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 7:26  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 7:31  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 7:38  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 7:41  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Lesley Logan 7:54  

You are what you do, not what you'say you'll do. Any lesson, any lesson.

What if the biggest thing holding you back is waiting for someone else to say yes? In this powerful solo episode, Lesley Logan continues her permission series and unpacks why so many people second-guess their desires, choices, and next moves. She shares how childhood conditioning, perfectionism, and the need for approval keep people stuck far longer than they realize. From Brené Brown permission slips to boundaries, intuition, and radical responsibility, Lesley offers practical ways to trust in your own intuition.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] mailto:[email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Why asking permission becomes a hidden habit.
• Lesley’s Pilates journey challenged needing approval.
• How Brené Brown uses written permission slips.
• Difference between seeking feedback versus validation.
• Recognize that personal growth involves change.

Episode References/Links:

• The Artist’s Way by Julia Cameron - https://a.co/d/02rkqdgr
• Dare to Lead By Brené Brown - https://a.co/d/04SQU1mL
• Ep. 15 with Erika Quest - https://beitpod.com/ep15
• Ep. 319 with Nikole Mitchell - https://beitpod.com/ep319
• Ep. 400 Gay Hendricks - https://beitpod.com/ep400
• Habit Series - https://lesleylogan.co/?s=habit
• Real Brave & Unstoppable - https://beitpod.com/source1
• The Art of Giving Yourself Permission - https://beitpod.com/source2
• 6 Ways to Give Yourself Permission - https://beitpod.com/source3
• Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

According to wonder within the path to permission is not an easy one. It's rocky, complicated and cold, and can even be confusing because we have to unlearn and untangle. 

Lesley Logan 0:10  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:52  

Hello, be it, babe. Well, welcome back to our series on permission. On our Tuesday episode. If you missed it, we were talking about like, what is asking for permission? Look like, where does it come from? Why do we do this? I shared some stories. Some of you had sent me some great stories of your own. I love that you're loving that I'm doing this solo episode on this. And please keep sending your questions in your topic requests in, be it pod.com/questions you can also send your wins in there as well. Maybe you have a win that you stopped asking for permission. I'd love to know that. But be it pod.com/questions, is where you can send in all those things. I'm hopeful to have some more different topics. We could do a couple episodes on, just to kind of go deeper on some of these things. I'm hearing our amazing guests give us, BE IT action items on they're like, don't ask permission. Just do it. It's like, well, what the fuck did like you mean, just do it easy. Easy for them to say they weren't raised to put other people's needs before their own. They weren't raised to go, like, to not seek approval from others. They weren't raised to not like, look crazy, right? So they aren't constantly hearing just different things, where people go, oh, you believe she did that? She's so greedy. I mean, they gave, they've they gave the team a locker room on Tuesdays and Thursdays now, they went on Saturdays too? Like, those are things we pick up when we're children and teenagers and young adults. We pick up on these things where people are saying things mostly about women, about when they step outside those traditional roles when they do something against the grain. And I'm not saying you have to go be against the grain. What I am saying is you can't be it till you see it. If you're waiting for someone else's permission to start being it, you have to give it to yourself. But how do we do that? So let me go to my notes, and in my research, I have sources, so we put those in the show notes as well. There's some really great reading in Psychology Today and all these different things, so it's pretty great. 

Lesley Logan 2:44  

Okay, so now we know we are often conditioned to ask for permission, and in the last episode, I do want to highlight, we did talk about the permission gap. We also talked about the signs to close it. So the gap is basically the gap between, like, what we want and what we think people's needs are, and then putting their needs in front of our own. And so we're kind of all and so we're kind of always in the negative for what we need, and then we're asking for permission to give ourselves what those needs are. So, according to Wonder Within, the path to permission is not an easy one. It's rocky, complicated and cold, and can even be confusing because we have to unlearn and untangle. So on Tuesday, I challenged you, I gave you a bunch of different signs, feelings, examples of like, what like, what permission looks like, asking permission looks like. And so hopefully able to explore that and now means we have to unlearn and untangle. If you listen to the series that came out starting in December of 2025 we did a whole habit series we talked about in one of the episodes, all about unraveling a bad habit, and that is in air quotes, and it's really, truly unraveling. It's not breaking it. I was very specific on that, because we do have to unravel. We have to understand, like, what's the prompt? And I will say this unraveling, untangling the habit of asking for permission is advanced habit making, because you have to be aware of yourself asking for permission. It's not the same as I want to build a habit of running around the block in the morning that is very tangible. It's easier for your brain to go, oh, I went around the block this morning, versus catching yourself asking for permission or filling the need to ask for permission, because that's a psychological habit, and you'll have to have that self awareness. So I just want to say it might take longer than you think, okay, but definitely check out that episode. So permission to become to be till you see, it might be the biggest work that we have to do. That's what I believe. After doing all this research, I'm like, oh my God, I feel like I need a permission slip expert. It may include working with a trauma informed therapist, a somatic worker. So even with all the suggestions that I'm about to give you, I want you to understand that if you need extra support, that is okay, okay. It is really, really okay. And I need you to know that it's okay and you're not asking for permission when you hire an expert in trauma or like somatic work or therapy or any kind because. That's actually saying, hi, I need help. That's not you asking for permission, right? 

Lesley Logan 5:04  

Hey, so I told you in the last episode about when I wanted to I thought about becoming a Pilates instructor. Like, I was like, I had this thing, this thought, and I recognize now that I was kind of asking for permission to belong, for permission to fit into the Pilates role. Because, to be honest, at the time, there was not Pilates instructors who did not discover Pilates from dancing. So that felt so weird. Also, I knew I couldn't afford the comprehensive training, so I was gonna start the mat training then save up my money for comprehensive training, which I did a year later. And I remember thinking like, Oh, my God, maybe I can't do it because, like, I can't do the whole thing at the same time. And so I do recall asking for permission, right? I remember being in vintage and basically just saying, Well, tell me what to do. I'll just do whatever you want me to do, which is just me asking for permission so that I can do be the thing that belongs. Because we all want to belong. Sometimes we're just like, hey, just how do I be perfect so I can not get kicked out of this group because we just want to belong. But really, and what they challenged me with is like, Oh no, we're not going to tell you what to do. You're going to figure you've got to feel what you need to do. It's got to be intuitive. It's got to be something that you understand for your body. And oh, my god, that is permission from them to be in my body, which is not something any teacher had given me. All the teachers before had been like, do it like this. You do it like this. And just telling me what to do, and that was kind of my whole life, right, covering perfectious over achiever, lots of people telling me the right thing to do, and just following the checklist and following the path. And so I had a whole adult life. Thank God for Pilates and the curiosity that gave me start going, oh, look at me. Like not checking a box here with a smile on my face. So think about one thing that you have been wanting could be as small as a food craving for today's lunch, or as big as an idea you want to take action on. So you're thinking about it. Got it in your head, what is keeping you from taking the next step?

Lesley Logan 6:57  

How much permission do you feel you have or don't have. Who decides how much permission you do or don't have? Is it possible that they are irrelevant? In my case, the people that I thought I needed permission from was the world of Pilates, they didn't even know me. They're so irrelevant. They didn't even know me, right? I was giving so much power to a bunch of people I didn't even know existed. So can you give yourself permission? Take a deep breath, right? A deep breath, if you've listened to episode 400 about upper limiting sometimes we get outside of our comfort zone, and then wild things come through worry. Do you feel some worry right now? Worry is a sign of upper limiting to pull you back into your comfort zone, right? Self-deprecating can be so I'll just want to, like go through those questions one more time. So what's something you want to be taking action on or wanting or desiring, no matter how small it is. Okay? So what's keeping you from taking that step or trying that thing or ordering that thing? How much permission do you feel you need you have or don't have for that who decides how much permission you do or don't have, and is it possible that they are relevant. Can you give yourself permission? So Brené Brown gives herself permission slips. It's actually in her book, dare to lead. She said, I give myself permission slips. And they say, I give myself permission to blank. So to make mistakes, to rest. I love this. I think this is a really great way to close that gap and to get rid of the habit of asking for permission is just to give, like literally write yourself permission slips. So if you remember my dear friend Nikole, whose last name is escaping me, sorry, team, she said two episodes, oh my god. Why is it not coming up anyway? So she talked about, in the first episode about all the different post it notes that she put around her house affirmations, and then she'd take them down because people are coming over, because she didn't want any single person to be able to give her any nagging thing that would remove the permission she'd given herself. So maybe you need to put little permission slips everywhere. I give myself permission to try a new outfit today. I give myself permission to make a mistake. I give myself permission to go a different route. I would give myself permission to ask that person for that thing. I give myself permission to rest. I give myself permission to turn off my phone. I give myself permission to not respond. 

Lesley Logan 9:31  

So use clear and powerful language to empower yourself. That's really, really important. Affirmations are really helpful. So this one will start kind of the same way. I give myself permission to be successful. I give myself permission to be authentic. I give myself permission to pursue my dreams, right? So affirmations can also be helpful in also going with what Brené Brown's mission slips are. You can do a meditation. So this meditation is really easy one. You can take your hands, put them on your heart, close your eyes and say, I've got this or you've got this beautiful right, hands on the heart, eyes closed, you've got this beautiful. It's one of Fridays. The episodes I give you as an affirmation, I say it three times. I'm hoping you're saying it out loud with me. I'm giving you a second to do that. I want you to give yourself permission to have that affirmation to be it till you see it. And of course, journaling. Journaling is always a great thing. Look like you'd be surprised what comes out of your head when you journal. I like free writing. If you haven't done the book The Artist's Way, it's 12 weeks of journaling prompts and really will help you peel back the onion of why you're asking for permission in the first place, especially if you go into the book with that in mind, you're going to start to like, answer those questions with those thoughts, and it's going to give you a whole host of information. It's such a great thing to do. You can do it annually. You can do it more often than once, but it's really, really great. I highly recommend it. 

Lesley Logan 10:59  

Okay, so tips for cultivating self-permission. So here's some other tips and tools you can use. So accept 100% responsibility. This is very difficult for some people, because that means responsibility for your own mistakes as well, but acknowledge that you are responsible for your own life, actions and responses. This shifts you from a victim mindset to one of empowerment, removing the blame, shame and guilt game. So what happens when you accept responsibility? It means you cannot you're not asking for cannot. You're not asking permission for people. It also means you can't say, oh, my kids wouldn't let me do Pilates today. Gotta accept 100 responsibility, right, radical responsibility,

Lesley Logan 11:31  

Another thing. Let go of the need for external approval. Recognize that relying on others for validation can prevent you from trusting your own judgment. I think that's really, really true. I got a medical diagnosis that isn't bad, don't freak out, but it's, it's not great either. And I'm a verbal processor, so I I like to talk about it to kind of, like, understand how I'm feeling, and it's interesting. Like, what I talked about with, like, some people my wife, are like, well, whatever you need, you can recover here. You could do this thing. Brad's like, so you're thinking about doing this. Like, it wasn't, I wasn't asking for permission. I was just, like, talking about it, right? And then I had another friend I was sharing it with, and they were almost talking me out of the thing. I remember going, what the fuck, right? So it made me go, ugh, because I was a little annoyed that she wasn't like, like everybody else. But then I was like, Wait, why do I care what she thinks, right? So it's interesting thing. There's like, just start to recognize when you're relying on the validations of other people and that, and then their lack of validation that causes you to think differently. Now, by the way, it's okay that she has me think differently. It really made me go back and kind of research what she was saying and making sure that, like, I almost got more secure in my decision because of it. So it's also fine to talk things out, but just notice, or maybe what she said could have got me to go, oh, maybe I don't need to do that. Those are all fine things, but just it's a very different thing from getting feedback versus validation. There are two different things. 

Lesley Logan 12:51  

Embrace imperfection and mistakes, so give yourself permission to be human, to be wrong and to learn from what doesn't work. Viewing failures as lessons, not torture, is crucial for growth, and I think this is really, really important. Really important in my journey of just like become a recovering perfectionist and overachiever, it's really helped me to not need permission, because I'm not trying to be perfect to the thing, and I'm allowing myself to learn and ask questions and be a human being who doesn't fail, but actually learns and then makes adjustments along the way. It's kind of like a route right when you're driving, and the map is like, go here. And then it's like, oh, we found a faster route. You didn't go, ugh, MapQuest. You're an asshole. You fucked up the last one. No, you just go, wow, thanks for getting better at what you do. You're just like, look at this app. So great. Like, we don't go, oh, my God, they got it wrong. No, we go, oh, they're like improving every time. 

Lesley Logan 13:44  

Set boundaries. Is vital to give yourself permission to say no to things that don't serve you, even if it makes others uncomfortable, this protects your time and energy for what truly matters to you. Erika Quest, she's been on the pod, we were talking the other day about, like, when people invite us to different things, like, we ask ourselves, is this more, or is it better? But more? Is it better? And if it's just more, then it's probably no, it's better. Gonna make my impact better? Gonna make me a better person? Then, yeah, I'll look into it. 

Lesley Logan 14:10  

Okay, listen to your own intuition. So reconnect with your inner voice and trust your gut feelings. The more you exercise permission muscle, the louder and clearer becomes. I am going to have a whole series on how to listen to your inner voice, so I'm not going to go deeper on that that will be coming up in a few weeks. Hey, be curious, not judgmental. So approach your feelings and experiences with curiosity rather than fear or judgment. Label your emotions to understand them better, which is a gateway to healing and growth. 

Lesley Logan 14:41  

Prioritize self-care and rest. Oh, hi, hello. Give yourself permission to rest, to recharge and enjoy life without guilt. Integrating self-care rituals into your daily routine helps make it a habit. Listen to the habit series so you have even better chance of doing that. But my goodness, you've got to prioritize your self-care so you get rid of that permission gap. And it's not that I'm like, You're not going to help other people or you're not going to care about them. It's just that, like, you can't care about them before your own air mask is on first. Hello. 

Lesley Logan 15:07  

Allow yourself to pivot. Recognize that personal growth involves change. Give yourself permission to change your mind, career or life direction if an old path no longer aligns with your evolving self. I mean, heck, you might have asked for permission to do something and someone talked you out of it, the thing you want to do, and now you're doing the thing that they gave you permission to do. So you're probably going to have to evolve, pivot, change things. And I would say, be nice to yourself. Have grace and space for recognizing that because, my goodness, everything you learn on that path is what's going to make you even better on the path that you're on now. So please be kind. 

Lesley Logan 15:38  

Another way to give yourself permission is, what's the cost of your inaction? What is the cost of doing nothing? What is the cost of not doing the thing you want to do? I want to dive deeper into that, into next week's episode with Dr. Corey. So, definitely be watching out for that interview, because I promise you, it's going to be so good. But I was like, oh my God. Yes, and I'm so glad that we talked about that in her episode. And keep in mind, after years of second guessing, after years of asking permission, for permission, it can be hard to trust yourself and believe you've got this. 

Lesley Logan 16:10  

So consider this permission to be you to be it till you see it. No one but you defines the scope of what's possible, and no one but you can dare to believe that you can be it till you see it. No one but you can define the scope of what's possible, and no one but you can dare to believe that you can be it till you see it. I promise you that you are amazing. You don't need my permission to be it till you see it, but you might need my reminder that you can. And I hope each and every week, you say that to yourself as well. All right, babe, until next time, be it till you see it. 

Lesley Logan 16:41  

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Brad Crowell 17:24  

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Lesley Logan 17:28  

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Brad Crowell 17:33  

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Lesley Logan 17:40  

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Brad Crowell 17:45  

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Are you waiting for a green light that’s never going to come? This week, Lesley Logan dives into the "permission gap", the space between what you actually want and the action you take, often filled with self-doubt and a perceived need for validation. Whether it’s the habit of using a partner as a polite excuse to say no or constantly asking, "Does that make sense?," seeking approval is a cycle that keeps you playing small. Lesley shares how a "mean" sixth-grade teacher taught her about agency and why your language needs an audit. It’s time to stop second-guessing and start owning your choices.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• The "badass" lesson Lesley learned from her sixth-grade teacher.
• Understanding the permission gap and its roots in social conditioning.
• Spotting "yellow flag" phrases that signal you are seeking approval.
• How internalized misogyny keeps women from asserting their own agency.
• Reclaiming power by shifting from "can't afford" to intentional choices.

Episode References/Links:

• The Permission Gap - https://beitpod.com/thepermissiongap
• Why Women Need Permission - https://beitpod.com/whywomenneedpermission
• Pleasure and Permission - https://beitpod.com/right2desire
• Ep. 241 withDr. Celeste Holbrook - https://beitpod.com/ep241
• Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

If you felt a lot of misogyny surrounding you, you might need to go find some really great women who can show you like you don't need to live under those rules. You don't need permission from men. You don't need anybody's permission except for your own. 

Lesley Logan 0:13  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:56  

Hey, Be It babe. How are you? Oh my god. Welcome to our week. My solo series is going to be on permission. And this has actually come from some people on my team who were listening to the pod. It's like a permission to be, permission to become, and it made us go, like, so why do we feel like we need permission? Right? What's going on there? So this, today's episode, is going to be on like, why do we feel like we need permission? Especially for my lady listeners out there, and there's a few good men, and I think it's important that you kind of, I think you should listen to this, because I think it's important you might understand, like, why we are the way we are. It just makes you a better human, right? And then on Thursday, instead of a recap episode, it's actually going to be on, how do we stop second guessing ourselves, so that we're we're not needing to ask permission, because we're not second guessing ourselves, right? So in doing this research, I found some really great resources. And so we'll also have links to my sources in the episode show notes. But I just kind of was thinking about this place. So I remember, in the sixth grade, I had a teacher. Her name is Mrs. Scott. She had lots of plans. It was a great was a great classroom. She looked a little scary. I'm not gonna lie, like, who's older? I've been teaching for like, 40 years, by the time I got there and she said, you can't ask can I go to the bathroom with me? In fact, if you ever say can I do something, I'm going to ask you. I don't know, can you? And I remember thinking, like, what a stickler. Why is she so mean? And now, as I was researching this episode, I was like, what a fucking badass she was. Like, how cool that she was making sure that as a sixth grader, we are understanding that we could go to the bathroom on our own. We didn't need to ask permission if we could go to the bathroom, we need to ask permission to leave. Like, the question was actually like, may I go to the bathroom, is what she wanted us to understand. So like, may I do X, Y and Z, because she's like, you are completely capable of doing these things. And so it's really interesting how in our lives, especially as when we learn by looking at people's facial expressions and emotions, the sound in their voice, we're seeking out permission, right? Like, oh, is it safe to be here? Is it safe do these things? Am I safe to do this? And then because of that, it also just starts to roll into all the things that we do on a daily basis. And so we start finding ourselves, like asking permission for a lot of things. And so in the research I was doing, there are some really great anecdotal stories of people in the author's lives who used to be like their parent or role model, and then how that shifted to them asking permission as well. And I just found it really interesting how easy it is for that to become some sort of like, habit's the wrong word, but just like, maybe it's the right word, but just because part of our daily life. And you know, I used to work in retail before, as a Pilates instructor and even as a Pilates instructor I would hear this thing where people would go, mostly women, I need to ask my husband, I need to ask my partner, I need to ask my spouse. And it was interesting, because most of these people were not like housewives who had no job, and this was not their income. And by the way, like it's another conversation. But also, you know, if you are the house manager, you are allowing the person who's making that money to be able to make that money, because you're making their life so much easier. They don't have to do all these things. But that's a different story. But these are women who like brought income in as well. And so it was just really interesting to me. And I will say, whenever I say I need to ask my husband, is because I actually haven't made a decision and or I'm trying to nicely say no to you, but I don't want to say no yet, so I will say I it's a nice phrase to use, but I just remember thinking like, do they have to ask? Is this something they're asking permission for? They really love it. I remember them like loving how they looked in a purse or a necklace, like, just absolutely loving it, and then asking, like, hey, what do you think? And then that person going, I think you can look better in this. And then just, like, not getting the thing they want and getting the other thing. And I just remember going, oh, this is going to not be used, or it's going to be returned, because they really want the other thing, right? And so at any rate, why is this happening? Why are these women mostly asking for permission to be, to like, to desire, to have to own so let's get into it. 

Lesley Logan 5:08  

First, these are some questions that I thought would be fun for you to journal about, post, ponder on this week. What leads me to seek social approval before making a decision? Is it a personality trait? Could it be a lack of self-esteem, or is biology a factor? So I kind of thought that that would be fun for you to think about for your own personal thing, like, do you feel a tendency to seek approval, social approval before making a decision? Is it part of your personality? Do you think it's because you're not sure about trusting yourself, or is it is biology a factor? So there's something that's going to come up in this topic as well, and in the research, it talks about permission gap. And so permission gap is a phenomenon stemming from socialization that emphasizes the caretaking and prioritizing others' needs over personal desires. So basically, we tend to think that we need to ask if we can do something, or before we do something, seek out permission or approval because we believe or feel we should be putting other people's needs before our own needs and our own desires. And so if we're going to do something that could be something that's more for ourselves, prioritizing ourselves first, then we feel like we need permission, like, hey, can I do this thing? I'll say, just before I hit record, Brad and I were redoing the schedule, and we are recording a podcast tomorrow night, when we'd normally be at the gym. And I didn't say, hey, can I go to the gym in the morning? He normally goes to the gym with me on Wednesday nights. Didn't go, hey, can I go in the gym in the morning? I just said, hey, I'm gonna go to the gym in the morning, right? And I was like, that could be taken as rude. I can see how some people would think that is rude. But also, like, he knows that getting my Wednesday workout in is a priority for me. With a very, very busy schedule, there's no other place we can move it. And I hope he knows. I'd love for him to come. But I also know he's not gonna get up at seven in the morning. He's not gonna do it. That's what we do it on Wednesday nights. So I will say I do understand that sometimes some of the things that I say or do can sound a little rude to people on the outside. And so I can understand why sometimes we use permission as a way asking permission as a way to just like, be thoughtful. But I do think it's important to know that you're doing what you're doing, otherwise you are living in this permission gap, this phenomenon stemming from socialization that emphasizes the caretaking and prioritizing of other needs and, others' needs and over our personal desires. So maybe you don't think you need permission, that's also possible. Hopefully that's true. But I also just wanted to bring up some phrases that you might be saying or thinking that could actually be like a, like a, like a yellow flag that you're asking for permission, which is, like, have you ever said, I've always wanted to blank, like, I've always wanted to go on a trip by myself. I've always wanted to learn how to do X, Y and Z. I've always wanted to try that. I've always wanted to buy that. I've always wanted to explore this. I've always wanted to if that is something that you are pondering, then somewhere along the way, you either didn't ask or didn't feel like you had permission to do the thing, right? And sometimes it means, like you just didn't have the time or the money at the time, that that's also true. But like, if you've always wanted to go back and get a doctorate, what is stopping you? Is it social approval? Okay, then we need to look at that. You know. Is it lack of self-esteem? We need to look at that. Is it a biology factor like, or is it like, hey, lack of time and money right now? But also, is it lack of time and money because we're giving it to other people and prioritizing their needs over ours? Is it? Have you ever said I stopped myself because. I stopped myself from buying that thing, from doing that thing, I, from trying that thing, from signing up for that thing. I stopped myself because. You know, I have a lot of friends and family who, I hear them say, like, oh, I was gonna do that, but I didn't because. And it's usually because of somebody else. Someone else was coming to town, someone else was doing this. A lot of people who want to be more consistent in Pilates, but they aren't, because there's always so many things coming up. I mean, like, literally, my schedule is never the same week to week. It is not possible. So I literally had to say to the team between I don't do anything before 9:15 am and I am done with my day at 4:30 you have to fit everything into that, because I need to know that I can before 9:15 and after 4:30 I can do whatever I need to do, right? I need to know that. So it's really, really important that you're just kind of taking notice, do a little audit about what you're saying, about what you're not doing that you didn't do. Now, look, if you didn't want to do it, then don't do it. You don't even need permission from me to do that, right?

Lesley Logan 9:39  

Or do you ever feel you need someone to tell you it's going to be okay? Like, do you seek support because maybe you think your idea or how you're feeling is crazy? Are you secretly wanting someone to stop you? Like, are you asking permission because actually you are secretly wanting someone to stop you from doing it? Right? So I thought this was really funny when I was like researching for this, so I remember, I can, I can tell you where I was in LA, driving my car when the woman who taught me Pilates, her name is Julie, she's my first Pilates instructor in LA, when she taught me Pilates, I could barely afford it, so I was going every other week for a duet, and then I was doing as much as I could remember, on the mat at home, in between, and eventually I was able to afford a weekly duet, which is very was a challenge for me but I was able to do it, and I had this like inkling, I was like, I wonder, I wonder if I could learn how to teach the mat work, and then I could teach it at her studio, and that could pay for my Pilates sessions. And I remember like, being on a call with her, and she's talking about, like, buying the studio from the other owner, and she's really excited, and like, what that means. And I was like, um, you think, like, it's gonna it'd be okay if I, like, like, taught mat classes? And then she said, oh my god, Lesley, you need to become a teacher, like, but I remember needing at that time, the Lesley at that time, needed permission to become a Pilates instructor, because I honestly thought I was a little bit crazy. Part of me maybe wanted me to for them to talk to stop me, like before, I invested in something I couldn't afford, right? But, like, I definitely was asking permission to belong in the Pilates teaching community at that time, because I went to school for communications, right? So I definitely know that there's parts of my life that was, I was absolutely asking for permission, especially the younger me, especially the way, and I'll tell you, you'll see why, because I'm going to go over some primary reasons why we're asking for permission. But like, you know, obviously, the more comp you get, the more you do things, the less you feel like you need approval from others. And I do think that after 40, like, there are certain fucks that go away. And then I've heard after 50, even you have even less fucks to give. But like, hopefully, right? Hopefully, we have future versions of us that ask for less permission. But I remember that Lesley, I think that was, was in 2007 and I did my first training in 2008 so you know that how old was I then, oh my god, like 25 right? So anyways, like I remember needing needing approval and permission to make that leap. 

Lesley Logan 12:09  

So let's go into some primary reasons why, and just see which ones of these resonate with you. So societal conditioning and gender roles. From a young age, many women are taught to be nurturing and pleasing, often prioritizing family and partners over their own ambitions or needs. The social conditioning makes pursuing more feel selfish or unnatural. This for sure, I'm definitely, I'm the oldest child. I definitely took care of my siblings. I remember one of the times I got in trouble I didn't do one of the chores that I was assigned, but that chore couldn't get done unless my siblings had done their chores. And so because they hadn't done their chores, I couldn't do mine. So I did this other thing that I wanted to do. I read the book. I loved, loved to read. I got in so much trouble because, like, I should have made sure they got their chores done, right? And so just remembering these things when you're a child these different things, it's societal condition. Now, are my parents assholes? No, of course not. They're just being parents, doing the best they can, and making mistakes along the way. But it's interesting how we pick up on things like, oh, well, I better not read for myself next time, because I should be making sure they're doing what they're supposed to be doing. Okay, next example, the good woman, ideal and guilt. There's a lingering cultural narrative that suggests women should be grateful for what they have, leading to the feelings of guilt or shame when they desire more. And this is a really interesting right? Like, you can see it in lots of different things, like the time I'm recording this, you know, I watched the women's hockey team for the Olympics like win gold, and also, by the way, that women's hockey has not been in the Olympics, and since, you know, it's only been there since the 90s, and then since then, like we've medaled so much, medaled as much as the men, in a much shorter period of time, right? And when you look at how women's sports are supported, they're supported United States because of Title IX, which means that money has to be invested in women's sports if there's men's sports. And so it means that, you know, on subconscious levels, like everything that we're wanting is because of somebody else so we should be so grateful. We should be so thankful. And when women do often ask for more, they're often told, like, people label them like terrible things, like she's money hungry, or she's, you know, what is? What they call people who like climb the ladder or like and they take other they seem people as like they're taking people down, but they don't say the same thing about a man doing the same thing, right? So we we learn to be what a good woman is, and should be just grateful that we have that. Another reason why you might be asking for permission is fear of judgment. Women often fear being perceived as demanding, selfish or too much when they vocalize their desires. This stems from a culture that often judges women who step outside traditional roles. 100% I think we could all remember an example of either ourselves or someone we know who did something and somebody said something about them. Sometimes they're often compared to another woman who didn't do that thing. And it's like, well, she didn't do it, and so now they're pinning women against women. And of course, you're like, well, I guess when you compare those two, then she is too selfish. But like, is she? Is she? Do they do that with men? 

Lesley Logan 15:16  

Lack of representation. A lack of role models who are unapologetic about their desires, can make women feel that they need to wait for approval, validation or the right time, the right time. Oh, we just got to wait for the right time. You know, like, no, I don't remember anybody, any male in my life, cousins, brother, being told to, like, wait for the right time. Oh, go get it. Why don't you go get it. Why don't you go talk to them? Why don't you go put yourself out there, right? Oh, Lesley, be careful. You don't want to talk too much. Oh, you don't want to be too loud. Yeah. So this is the permission gap. So this is the space between what a woman wants and what she actually does, often filled with self-doubt and the belief that someone else needs to validate her worth. So, space between what a woman wants and what she actually does. She wants to go back to school, but she stays home to care for everybody, because asking for help or asking for people in her community to take Tuesdays and she'll take Wednesdays. Well, who? Why would she be able to do that? Who is she? Is she selfish? Right? Need for safety and responsiveness. In sexual relational context, women often need to feel safe and emotionally connected to access their desires, because they may not feel comfortable acting on their own. They may wait for a partner to initiate or create the right conditions. So this one I put in there, I just wanted to keep it because permission to be often, when you do research, you'll see that there's a lot of permission to feel worthy, permission to be able to fill their desires. Desires can be sexual, but also you could just desire to have a better life, right? Desire means a lot of different things, but I will say, if you are having any like not having to understand what you truly desire when it comes to sexual needs, please look at our episodes with Dr. Celeste Holbrook and please read her book, especially those who are raised in the church and purity culture being kind, even if your parents weren't super serious about it, there are definitely things we could talk about, and permission to feel desirable if you were at all raised around purity culture in any way. 

Lesley Logan 17:22  

All right, last one or primary reasons why you might feel like you need permission. Internalized misogyny, a patriarchal culture that often devalues female desires, can lead to women minimizing their own needs, which in turn fuels a need for external permission to assert their own agency. I think we all know some women have internalized misogyny. I can think of a bunch of women in our political government right now, and it's annoying, because, okay, well, great, you're a pick me girl, like you're in but you think they're going to care for you. You think they're going to take care of you? No. You think that when you have an idea it's going to be used? No. You're gonna have to push it through some other male, right? So, like, internalized misogyny is something that honestly can happen without your own decision, right? Because it happens because of society. It happens because of the patriarchal culture. And so unless you can get yourself out of that situation, you might not even see what you're doing. And so I highly recommend, if you have you felt a lot of misogyny surrounding you, you might need to go find some really great women who can show you like you don't need to live under those rules. You don't need permission from men. You don't need anybody's permission except for your own. But let's be real, that is harder to do. That's what we're gonna talk about, episode two, we're gonna definitely get into how to stop second guessing yourself, because just saying, okay, here's all these things. This is why it's so hard for us, this is so hard for you to not ask for permission. Doesn't mean you're just be able to ask for, like, stop asking for permission. These are habits you have. These are things you say, like, you automatically will say when something's expensive, say I can't afford that instead of saying, oh, I'm not investing in that right now, that is something I'm really, really proud of, like, how I changed my tune on that, instead of when something was more like, is more money that I have, instead of saying I can't afford that, I'm not investing in that right now, or that's more than I want to invest in that project, or that's more than I want to invest in that thing right now. All of that makes it a choice versus I'm a victim. I can't afford it right now, right? It means I'm not asking for permission to buy something. I'm asking I'm stating why I'm not buying the thing. I don't need the permission. So it takes time. So just being mindful, and I think having the awareness first and foremost, of like, the things that you're saying, the things that you're doing, just take a notice, like, maybe this week, what you're noticing is like, how often am I asking for permission, if I look good, or if this works, or if that makes sense? You know, another thing I've been working on for the last couple of years, because I heard a female CEO say this, she said, instead of saying, does that make sense? Because that's like asking permission. Did I do a good job explaining that to you? She'll say, do you have any clarifying question for me? So that way she is stating, I know I said everything you just say in the right order, in the right way, but do you have any clarifying questions that is giving them the space to ask what they need and take assertiveness, and also you're holding yourself in a space of like, I did a really great job. Oh, your questions are okay. I can see where I missed out on that. We don't need to ask permission. Does that make sense? Right? So that's something I've been really trying to work on. 

Lesley Logan 20:09  

So, all right, here are some other things, other signs that you might be asking for permission. Have you ever talked yourself out of something because someone else might not like it? You might not be liked, it'll be difficult, you have a fear of judgment, fear people will think you're crazy. Definitely, I have asked for permission in my past because I do a lot of weird, crazy stuff, and I'm like, I'm recognizing that, and now people just know I'm a little crazy, so that's fine, but it takes some time to get your confidence up, right? That like it's okay to be crazy. Have you ever talked yourself out of doing something because someone in your life wouldn't approve? You're afraid to look silly. You won't belong. You'll upset someone. The cost, you don't feel worthy. They might say no, so you're saying no first, and then you don't want to fail, right? Fear of failure. Then it sounds like you're in a state where you feel you need permission, and you're in that permission gap. So how do we close it? Well, I think first of all, awareness is important. I think we can't close any gap without actually noticing, like, where is this permission habit coming from? Who do we learn it from? Who do we observe it from? Not to go blame them, but just so you can, kind of, like, take the control back and realize what's going on and just notice that when you're doing it, and also those dear, amazing friends that you have, like, perhaps we need to, like, say, hey, here's what I noticed about myself. I notice that I ask like, what do you think? Instead of asking, like, tell me what your excited thoughts are, and then maybe what are some concerns you have? Like, that would be fine, because now you're asking them to, like, point out pros and cons. But just like, what do you think? Especially because a lot of us as people who never think anything good will happen to us, you know, we have those family members. We've had so many guests on the on the Be It Pod, talk about like, make sure that you're aware of who you're telling your ideas to, right? Because if you're telling your amazing ideas to people who will never believe in something possible, you're going to be, basically asking permission from people who are never going to give it. Just want you to notice what your habits are, what parts of you are feeling that permission need. Yeah, and then on Thursday, we're going to talk about how to close that gap, how to trust yourself, how to give yourself permission. That will be our episode on Thursday. So I'd love to hear how you're liking these topics. If you have topics that you're wanting me to address, you can actually send it into the beitpod.com/questions to say, hey, episode topic, and we'll put in the lineup. We're still gonna have the interviews, we're still gonna have the recaps, but we thought it'd be fun to basically, in between some of these interviews, do some of these solo episodes on some topics that maybe we could just dive a little bit deeper, that sometimes it doesn't happen in an interview because the conversation goes a different way. So thank you so much. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Lesley Logan 22:57  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 23:40  

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Lesley Logan 23:45  

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Brad Crowell 23:49  

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Lesley Logan 23:56  

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Brad Crowell 24:00  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Lesley Logan 24:13  

So internalized misogyny, a patriarchal cultural, a patriarchal. What a shitty word. I can't even say it. A patriarchal culture that often values. Oh my lord on high. What bloopers? Let's keep them in at the end.

In this Friday episode of Be It Till You See It podcast, host and Pilates expert Lesley Logan challenges you to stop seeking external validation and start trusting your inner direction. Whether you are facing a massive business setback or just need a reminder to stay the course. She shares a personal story of navigating a total website blackout without the usual meltdown, proving that your reactions are the truest measure of your growth.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck yeah, Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah. 

Lesley Logan 0:03  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Hey, Be It, babe. How are you? Oh my god, it's the first FYF of May, and it's on May 1st. Hi, welcome, welcome to Be It Pod's, Friday episode. Sure, quick, sweet, hopefully inspirational. Maybe it feels like we're having coffee, although it feels very one sided for you, but I want you to know that I wish you were here chatting with me. I share a win of yours, something inspirational, a win of mine, mantra for your weekend, and hopefully get you excited to hear what else we've had on the pod for the week. And we want to hear from you. We want your wins, so send them in to beitpod.com/questions, that's why you also can send your questions for us to answer on the pod. We love diving a little deeper, also based on your questions, it often lets us know what kind of guests we should have. So the inspiration from the internet, not that it's always very inspirational, but this one, somebody actually did. It's another year of the horse based on your birth month. And since it was the first of May, for those who were born in May, I thought this would be a fun inspiration for you. It's the honestly, the post is way too long for me to read all 12. So what I need you, if you're interested in yours, mine was great. I highly recommend you click the link in our show notes to go read all the posts. But for May, my birth, my may birthday is movement is essential for your growth this year. Changes in environment, routines or mindset bring clarity and renewed energy. The horse strengthens your independence and supports bold personal choices. Waiting for approval no longer feels natural to you. Everything improves when you trust your inner direction. Freedom becomes a source of confidence rather than fear. You will feel lighter as you move in alignment. And your affirmation is, I choose myself and move with confidence. So there you go. I'm gonna keep this one in my saves in case we have another like, seemingly close to the beginning of the month, FYF, because why not? Why not for the year of the horse? The whole time. We'll see I have ADHD. We'll see if I remember. 

Lesley Logan 2:40  

Okay, a win of yours. You guys submitted these. They're so good. So this is from mymarialoisa, Pilates session with Lesley Logan that showed my husband the benefit Pilates. Maria, that was so fun. You guys, Maria came to my house and did a private session. Not very often that people get to get in because it means you're visiting Vegas when I'm home and I have time. And it was so fun to teach her. Fun to teach anyone who's, like, really excited about Joe's work. And like, not just like Pilates, but like, because I want to be a Pilates princess, but like, the actual work of Joe and how it does. And her husband came and he got to see it, and Brad, like, turned him on some things. And so I just think that like that is just going to be I'm so excited for you, Maria. I'm excited for your dreams that you have with it. I can't even wait to be updated on all of it. All right. And I have one more for you. This is from Blanca. I'm not giving up. That's a win. So the reason why I always want you guys to share wins is because I think it's important. One, you need to hear it. It always comes out a couple months after you send it in, just based on when I record these things. So we've talked about this before in FYF, like, when you hear your win, we've had people hear their wins and like, oh my god, I just heard my win, and that's a win, because I needed that reminding. We life is lifing. There's so much going on. And so I just, I just really want to shout you out. I really want to support you. I want to celebrate whatever big or small win you think you have. So thank you, ladies for sending that in. 

Lesley Logan 4:06  

All right now, let me tell you, okay. So here we go. This is the first time I'm able to record since this happened. So this happened a while back, so you have nothing to worry about. But in March, three years after it had happened before, for different reasons, our sites were down. All of our sites, we have four, and they were all down, and means our shorteners didn't work. So if you're using our affiliate links, you couldn't even get to other people's sites with those. If you were you like, like, there's just with you couldn't buy anything, like, nothing. Our members, we were able to provide access to most of their membership, which behind the scenes, which is hard to do extra work, but here's the win. You're like, where's the win? Where's the win. So the win is, is that when my, when our ops girl, told me they were down, I was just, I mean, I said some few choices of cuss words, but no tears, no like, why is this happening to me? No like, oh my god. Where, this is the end of our business. It was just like, okay, step one, do this. Step two, do this. Step three, dadadadada. Let's just move forward. And I get, I got focused on what I had to do that day. You know, I have an amazing team who had to do a lot of extra work, and I'm so grateful for them. And the win is, like, how quickly we were able to pivot and and all these things. But for those of you who are like, I shouldn't be having this happen to me, like I really do, like, remind myself that, like, life is just an old Donkey Kong Mario Brothers game, where each level, you're introduced to a new shitty guy, and then after several levels, you end up at a castle, and then you get to experience all the little shitty guys that you already beat. And you just see like, oh, do I remember? Do I have the skills to beat them again? Because if I didn't, I have a lesson I didn't learn back there. And so I'm just really proud of how, how I was able to react and keep going, because I I had to keep going, but also because I could, because, you know, I figured out how to go, oh, this is the world is not imploding on me. This is a fixable problem. How do we align with our values and then move forward? And I'm just really grateful for all of our members who rolled with it and were patient with everything and enjoy their classes and coaching and replays in all different ways. Thank you. And we're and now, because it happened, our sites are doing even better. They're moving even faster and like, so sometimes they're not even a bad thing. Like, that's a win. So anyways, that's my win, not freaking out and wanting to quit my job. 

Lesley Logan 6:25  

All right, so your mantra for the weekend is, I attract positive opportunities. I attract positive opportunities. Yes, you do. You attract positive opportunities. My love, go have a great weekend. Thanks for being here. Definitely check out our interviews and episodes for this week. We're really proud of what we're putting out. It's because of your recommendations, your suggestions, your wants, and what you're hoping to grow and be it till you see you. So with that said, go Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 6:55  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 7:37  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 7:43  

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When was the last time you made a decision that fit for you? Performance coach and creative business strategist Shari Teigman joins Lesley Logan to pull back the curtain on the chaotic beauty of perimenopause. Shari specializes in helping high-achieving people stop following outdated templates to finally start listening to their own internal rhythm. This episode is a permission slip to stop holding everyone else’s baggage, how to move from fear to curiosity, and start making decisions that actually serve the woman you are becoming today.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Navigating the "not this" phase to rediscover your true identity.
• Why perimenopause is the best time for deep internal decluttering.
• The "red shoe" analogy for carrying other people’s emotional baggage.
• How to transition from paralyzing fear to productive, playful curiosity.
• Using internal contradictions to stop lying to your own nervous system.

Episode References/Links:

• Shari Teigman Website - https://shariteigman.com
• Shari Teigman Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/shariteigman
• The Maverick Way: A Field Guide to Coming Undone on Purpose - https://sharidteigman.ac-page.com/TheMaverickWayPrelaunch?test=true
• FemGevity - femgevityhealth.com
• Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert - elizabethgilbert.com/books/big-magic
• Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg - tinyhabits.com/book
• What to Expect When You're Expecting by Heidi Murkoff - https://a.co/d/0j80fU42
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Shari Teigman serves as a catalyst for high achievers who are ready to dismantle the status quo and reclaim their individuality. As a performance mentor and strategist, she guides leaders through the process of unlearning rigid structures to make room for radical, creative breakthroughs. Shari is best known for her ability to cut through the noise with a blend of sharp strategic insight and a "Maverick" spirit, encouraging her clients to stop adjusting to external pressures and start building lives that resonate with their core values.

Beyond her strategic work, Shari is a dedicated advocate for personal sovereignty, helping global professionals navigate the complex intersection of high-level performance and emotional well-being. By challenging the traditional "resiliency" narrative, she provides the tools necessary to move from a state of constant survival into one of intentional, authentic growth. Whether she is addressing the mental shifts of perimenopause or the hurdles of international business, Shari’s mission is to ensure that success never comes at the cost of self-recognition.

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Episode Transcript:

Shari Teigman 0:00  

In our lives, we walk around carrying everyone else's red shoes and polka dotted bags and pile of crap, and you walk around wheeling it with you, because you call it identity, you call it belonging. You call it your culture, your religion, your family, your blah, blah, blah. And you open up this bag and it's filled with shit you don't know, so you have no room for new stuff.

Lesley Logan 0:18  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:57  

All right, Be It babe, get ready. Get your notes out if you're driving, Get your ears on. This is an interview I was stoked to have, and I'm even more excited for it to be in your ears right now than I could have imagined. Shari Teigman is our guest today. She is the coach for Mavericks. But really, truly, you high flying women that listen to this podcast who are going through perimenopause, maybe already there may be on the other side, but when I talk about being it until you see it, sometimes you're like, well, who am I? Now? We are going to dive into so many different amazing tools, tats. There's going to be nuggets that are going to just go that hit right where I needed it to. You will relisten to this episode. I know it's great. We did record during Mercury in Retrograde. So there are a couple of times where I think there might be a blip in the audio. I promise you you didn't miss anything. So please bear with the three of those that happen if my team didn't get rid of them and and just know that like the magic is here, and it's very much worth listening to, and relistening to and sharing with a girlfriend of yours who needs to hear it. So here is Shari Teigman. 

Lesley Logan 2:06  

All right, Be It babe. So here's the deal. I have been kind of stalking this woman for a bit through the socials, and when I saw her and what she raves about, I was like, oh, we have to have her on the be it pod. She is exactly what you guys need to hear today and probably repeat this episode. We haven't had it yet, but I have a feeling there's gonna be some nuggets you're gonna want to relisten to. So Shari Teigman, tell everyone who you are and what you rock at. 

Shari Teigman 2:30  

I would say I feel pressure, but I don't. I'm just excited. So thank you for having me. I'm very excited to be here and stalking right back. So I always love finding a friend on the interwebs that sounds and moves like me. Well, you move better than I do, Pilates and all, but the energy, the excitement and the passion for life and a lot of realness as well. So I am a performance coach and a creative business strategist, and I help people unleash the Maverick within them. So it's stopping following everyone else's bullshit templates and moving into a space where you're listening to your own gut, you're following your own rules, and it doesn't mean you're rebelling against anything, and it doesn't mean you have to be angry at everyone. You know the stage of life can come with a little perimenopausal rage, which is always welcome in my world. But I work with both men and women to find a beat of their own drums so that they don't have to be checking in everyone's yards to see what they're doing and measuring themselves non stop. We're not in high school. I didn't do it in high school. I'm certainly not doing it now. So that is the fire that I like to bring to the world.

Lesley Logan 3:27  

Oh, I love that, and I love how clear you are in what you do. And I'm sure many people's ears perked up on the menopausal race, all that stuff, because I think, like one of the things that so I started doing this podcast years ago, and I'm like, I know who I am and people are trying to figure out why I'm so confident, and really, it's just because I do things scared. But then, like, you know, you start to get past 40, and you're like, why am I freaking out? Well, who? Why am I (inaudible). 

Shari Teigman 3:52  

Fearless me? 

Lesley Logan 3:54  

Yeah, why, why am I hesitating? Like, what? What is happening and and like, in being until I see it, it's like, wow, this is, like, a lifelong thing. Thank goodness I like doing this. But also, but also, like, it is interesting to get to know yourself again when you especially for the women who love the show and who we attract, who thought they did, and now they're like, kind of feeling like my girlfriend said today that she feels like she has, like, sea legs.

Shari Teigman 4:20  

Yeah, it's so nice of you to call it interesting, to get us to know ourselves, because I have some other choice words for the state of life while I accept it and rage, it's fascinating. And may not get all metaphysical here, and you're going to have to drag me into a crone phase of my life. I don't plan on going lightly or gracefully, but there is the no shits given point where we do get to course correct and say, okay, for those of us who did know ourselves for the past 15, 20, 30 years to check in that that's still what we want, or the identifications are still valid and accurate and have not expired just because everyone else like someone they work for everyone else. So it's a real face to the fire moment of I say I'm all these things. I better check in that I still am because I'm too tired and can't remember anything to pretend I'm something that I'm not. So I think it's a real truth telling phase. And like I said, I'm not planning on getting old and wise, but I will be loud and old and happy, fun. I just got to get through this can't remember my name thing, and then, you know, carry on to the next chapter. 

Lesley Logan 5:28  

The other day, I saw this thing, and the guy was on Instagram, and the guy was like, hey, you meet someone who was born in 1995 and it's, they're 30 years old. And you're like, that's interesting. I'm 30 years old. And then I'm like, weird. And then I was like, wait, oh, I'm not I. I just keep thinking that I am.

Shari Teigman 5:45  

Yes, my eldest son turned 26 and I am not okay because I'm 22 and I'm not good at math, but that is not math. That is off, all off. 

Lesley Logan 5:50  

So you said we have to, like, check in with ourselves. And I think that that is, like, a brilliant thing that no one has told us to do, right? Like, as you grow up, everyone's like, what do you want to be when you grow up? And then you go to school to be that thing, and you're like, check the box. And I think all the high flyers are good box checkers. Like, check this box and check that box and and so we've checked all the boxes, and then we get to a place, it's like, but how do you check in? Like, you add more boxes. What? What did you do, Shari? Like, how do you check in to see if these are the things you still want?

Shari Teigman 6:22  

So it's a long answer, Lesley. 

Lesley Logan 6:24  

I'll take it. 

Shari Teigman 6:27  

For me, I have, I have decluttered the boxes many times, because for the first 33 years of my life, I fit very well into the boxes I was supposed to that I was given. And I did a great job, and I was funny about it and zesty about it, and Miss bubbly and head cheerleader and exactly what you think I was like at 18. I still am like at 51 and I went through a really rough divorce in my early 30s as a mom of two kids, and after a couple of years of survival and just knowing what I didn't want, which is a very painful but beautiful process I can say now later, that not knowing what I want, Liz Gilbert had a great I saw her in an interview, and I love her. In my head, she's my best friend, but she just doesn't know it yet. So we'll let her know it's fine. But my bestie, Liz said on this podcast, she went through an era which was called not this. So everything became not this, not this, not this. Most of us think we have to know what we want, and you said it, we're asked when we're younger, what do you want to be? I have no idea what the hell I want to be. I have no idea what the things are my options. So I can pick something off the cereal shelf and not know what's inside. And then, because I said it, I then went to school for it, and then I wore the t-shirt for it, and I told everyone about it, and I posted on social media about it. I can't not do it now. So we wear these costumes for a while, and then they start getting tight and uncomfortable, and not because of the perimenopausal weight. I mean, internally. And then you say, wait, am I allowed to put it down? Is the question I asked myself. So in this, not this phase, at the end of my divorce with these two amazing kids that I love, I then free myself from a situation and I saw black because I had no idea who I was and I had no idea what I wanted. I hadn't gotten up to asking myself that question, probably for the first time in my life at 34. Terrifying, highly don't recommend, but we got here. And so I think at that point, I stripped away everything that I knew and said, well, if none of this was true, what if I could be anything? So hence, the Maverick was born after, I mean, I make it sound really nice, there were a lot of crying on the floor and break down in the therapist's office. And I had had psychiatrists call me scrappy. He's like, you don't need meds, you're scrappy, you'll be fine. I blew up at him, and I don't react to anyone. I was like, I get a reward for being able to constantly be in survival mode. Americans, brace yourself. He refunded me my $250 which does not happen in our country. He was so apologetic that he pissed me off so much he probably got all the rage that everyone in my life until then had not gotten. It was amazing. So the long answer is, I checked in, and all of a sudden nothing felt like me. And while that was scary, it was so liberating, because I didn't have to fit new stuff into an old package. I was like, wee let's just turn the whole thing upside down, and I rebuilt what I wanted and put the right things back in in the drawer, instead of whose is this sock? Like example I always use is, I think the first piece of finding yourself is unpacking. So let's say you go on a girl's weekend with a bunch of friends, and the last night's a little blurry. No one remembers how they got to the airport. You get home, you open your polka dotted suitcase, and there's a red shoe. You don't have a red shoe. You go into the WhatsApp group, you're like, hi, guys, has everyone thrown up yet? Anyone's red shoe? Does this belong to anyone? Of course, you know it's not yours. But in our lives, we walk around carrying everyone else's red shoes and polka dotted bags and pile of crap, and you walk around wheeling it with you, because you call it identity, you call it belonging, you call it your culture, your religion, your family, your blah, blah, blah. And you open up this bag and it's filled with shit you don't know so you have no room for new stuff. So you and I's come into the world with all this passion and all this excitement, and everyone's hands are filled wondering, where do I put one more thing? You have to unpack, and you have to understand why you keep repacking the same thing in order to then get a chance to make any choices.

Lesley Logan 10:33  

That is an I love that long answer so much because it's like the simple like, the part that we all wanted to hear was like the short answer, oh, just do these three things. 

Shari Teigman 10:44  

I can't do it because I don't believe it. And I used to listen to it and cry and think I was broken because I don't have that availability. So now what do I do? 

Lesley Logan 10:51  

Yeah, and I also like, thank goodness, like, that guy gave that money back. I can't believe there was a guy and he gave his money back. I can't believe it was a man who told you you don't need drugs. But I can't believe apologize (inaudible) because one of the things that like, I it like, is nailed on a chalkboard when someone goes, oh, you're just so resilient. I'm like, I don't want to be resilient anymore.

Shari Teigman 11:14  

And I hang that one up because I know, and I know you all appreciate it, but it's killing me from the inside, so (inaudible) anymore? Thank you for appreciating it. 

Lesley Logan 11:25  

Right because also, like, of course, as a business owner, as someone who's still, like making the money we need to make till we're retired and living our best life. Resiliency is great in my day to day, like operating my business, but like being resilient in my friendships and my family-ships and all that stuff, it's like, no, because then you don't ever check on me. No one checks on me. 

Shari Teigman 11:43  

And also, we don't know how to ask for help yet then, because it's already uncomfortable and there's no room for it, so you're like, but can I? No, can't, no. 

Lesley Logan 11:51  

Why can't I ask you because I'm holding your red shoe. I can't ask you because I'm holding your red shoe. 

Shari Teigman 11:56  

And I never learned how, so I guess I'm the red shoe holder now.

Lesley Logan 12:01  

Okay, so, but then, like, so we have to, I love the not this, and I love the unpacking. I think that that is so key. It's, I mean, like, you know, there's something I want to, I want to do in our business, and it requires letting go of some other things. Like, you can't, can't just keep adding to the, you know, it's so then it's unraveling. Like, well, what am I letting go of? And what? What does that look like? And for everyone listening who is freaking out, I'm not letting go of the things that you're paying for, don't worry. It's like, doesn't affect you. It's not affecting you. There's no change affecting you. Okay? It's affecting the people who work (inaudible) I know I'm like, it's affecting, it's affecting the people who work for me. It's not affecting you. You have to stipulate, because people start to freak out, like, so, but thankfully, I understand that right, like the old, the old me would have been like, okay, let's just, let's just, let's just add these, undo that expander zipper and, like, shove, we'll just shove this in. So I love that. I know that about myself now, and I think that that is the real key. But I think, you know, you Shari, got to figure that out kind of in your 30s and so, and like, I find that a lot of people are figuring out in perimenopause, as they're freaking out and don't know themselves, and now they have to unpack. And that's a I find, I still, I feel nervous for that, because is it a hard time to, like, relearn who you are, or is it the best time to relearn how you are?

Shari Teigman 13:21  

Both. It's hard and the best time. Because as crazy as this sounds, because from a neuroplasticity place, we can't hold on to as much of the story as we did because of the brain fog and the hormones changing, there's a release valve comes. But what's terrifying about it is we never had it before. So the feeling of loss of control is one that makes us want to grip to the old story, my old identity, the things that I achieved in my job before the younger people came in and take it, or technology's changing, or my kids no longer think I'm cool, or I've been with my husband 40 years. I can't even hear him chew anymore. You know, like all the things that we hear from this rage that they don't realize is coming from a lack of tolerance, the tipping point in themselves of what they've made okay for themselves for all these years. So it comes out in a burst, because it's not going to come out any other way. There's not going to be everyone at 2pm everyone open up their computers, scream, and then close it, and we'll all feel better. I mean, I feel like we should start this. The world would be a much better place. But since we don't have it, we wait until everything is chaotic and we hate everything, and then we have to start looking at it. So the kind of stuff I teach, when I teach with FemGevity and with a lot of my private clients, is just starting to ask yourself better questions. Instead of assuming it's only this one category of life, it gives you more permission to be creative. I think if we move from fear to curiosity, we ask better questions, we get better answers. It doesn't mean I'm asking anyone to change anything yet, but when was the last time you made a decision that fit for you? I know it hurts, because even as I teach it, I'm like, brace yourself, girls, because we're going in and I'm going in there with you, oh, my god, I haven't made a decision for myself or I didn't think of my partner, or I didn't think of my team, or I didn't think of my kids, or I didn't think what my family is going to think. I don't know. I don't know the last time I asked myself that. So then I have someone just start with an easy thing. What do you want for dinner? And it's heartbreaking to ask a woman in their 40s and 50s, what she wants for dinner, and she looks at you with a blank look because she doesn't know. She (inaudible) went to what do I have leftovers for the kids, for tomorrow, for school? What can my husband take? What did I get from the supermarket that's about to spoil? I asked what you want for dinner, and then the tears go. What kind of TV do you want to watch? What sheets do you want on the bed? And we're talking professional, high achieving women who just look completely blankly at no one ever taught me to I wouldn't, wasn't allowed to ask a question. There was no space in my high achieving masculine run life and then emotional vulnerability that I have to hide. Who has space for it? So I think if we allow ourselves in this perimenopausal phase to say the exploration can be curious and creative and playful and find community to do it in. You're not crazy or we're all crazy together, and we're just going to figure this out, and there's no right or wrong answer, and no one is taking anything away from you. So it's in sovereignty we get to unpack one whole red shoe for another three years? Go right ahead, girl, no one's pulling the shoe away from you, but if we can slowly untangle the things that hurt us the most limit us the most, a lot of the other stuff sorts itself. It just feels like an emergency because we've never asked ourselves the question. 

Lesley Logan 16:38  

Yeah, it feels like an emergency because I also think like we are so, our brains don't really know how to prioritize different things, so we the red shoe and the leftovers and that big merger you're working on, or whatever it is, they all take up the same priority level in the brain. So that's why they feel like that, right? But I want to highlight something, you said, untangle. And I think that's where a lot of people don't understand that that's such a key word I got to study with BJ Fogg and his and his habits training, and he talks about how to break a habit, which is, you have to, there's no such thing. It's not a stick. You have to unravel it. Because a habit is something that you no longer like, that you do, like a habit.

Shari Teigman 17:21  

I don't know how to make habits. I'm like, oh, sure, you do. Where's your chocolate habit? Where is your phone scrolling habit? Like you're an epic master at your habits. Everyone needs to be different. Who is it? We're wired.

Lesley Logan 17:33  

We're wired, you're, it literally is a brain wiring thing. And so untangling those things, and it's true, like when you can figure out, okay, I would like to untangle that I have I don't get to choose what I'm having for dinner. You know, then it becomes, you get to figure out, well, where did it start? Well, actually, maybe everyone you've been thinking about, everybody wants for dinner, and they actually thought you were thinking what you wanted for dinner.

Shari Teigman 17:57  

And also you're dead on. And it's a more gentle process. It's not like you walk into the family and say, you can all fuck off and make your own food. I want pasta, and they will look at you like, did you bang your head? And then that perimenopausal terror on everyone else's face, receiving the rage is like, oh, wait a second. Can everyone pick a night like they're gentle ways to do this. I actually want everyone else to make some decisions in this house, teenagers then feel empowered. A partner is then included. You get to pick, or guess what, you're allowed to eat something different than everyone else. It's most of these parameters we put on ourselves, and we blame everyone else because we didn't ask.

Lesley Logan 18:34  

Yeah, yes, no, I'm laughing so hard. Okay, so my husband, he's amazing at doing projects at night. Like, he like, he like, like, the sun goes down, I go to bed, and he is like, you know, he becomes the midnight gardener. Or, like, he puts together something, or, right before I turn this on, he's like, hey, did you see the thing I did in your office? Like, he put all the cords, you know, all the cords, in like, a little sleeve. So, like, it's nice. I know, we love him. Last night, he was doing the same thing he did the same thing he did the night before. The night before, I slept like the dead. I got like a 90% recovery, last night, 1:14 I'm hearing this like It's like drilling, and I am like, did I get up and go, hey, that's I just woke up to that. No. Instead, do you know I did? I sat there for 15 minutes going, when the fuck is it gonna be done? (inaudible) And then I marched down the hall, like, what the fuck are you doing? 

Shari Teigman 19:28  

Why is this a good idea? 

Lesley Logan 19:31  

Why are you doing this? And he's like, I did this last night. I didn't wake up last night. And I was like, well, clears in a different part of my rim cycle. I'm clearly in a different part of my cycle right now.

Shari Teigman 19:44  

Wind has blown. I am no longer who I was yesterday. You should have known that.

Lesley Logan 19:49  

Hello, but like, it's this funny thing, because we we do take on so much, and we wait until it's the paramount explosion to say what we're thinking instead of like, I thought, at at the moment I woke up, I thought, what is that noise? And if I had just been inquisitive it could have been, oh, hey, instead of, like, the and then, of course, did I sleep? No, I didn't sleep because I was angry.

Shari Teigman 20:10  

You weren't finished. You were still processing. You know, it comes like someone doesn't throw out a tissue and the whole house you're on fire just because you didn't say 14 other things because, oh, it's fine. It's fine. It's no longer fine, ladies, it, none is, nothing's fine. So we have to find our voices be kind, and realize we taught everyone else how to treat us so we don't get to be mad at them. We get to teach them what the next version of us needs, and most of us have no idea. So we get to sit down with our children, and we get to sit down with our partners and our friends and our family members, as terrifying as it is, and say there's a new sheriff in town, and I'm just getting to know her, and I need a little grace. And I like I know for my partner, I'm not speaking for him, but I could see the relief on his face when I'll actually say what I'm feeling, instead of him trying to guess which mood I'm in, or I say I have no idea what I need. And he's so relieved, because then he doesn't have to figure it out. Like the people who love us just want us better. Is it over yet? I wish it was over. I don't have cold. I'm just 51 it does. I don't know when it ends.

Lesley Logan 21:17  

I know that's the fun part. It's like, like, and also, and also, if you care about your heart health, ladies, you want to keep it going for a really long time, so then you better figure out how to talk about what you need and how to manage is the, not the word I want to because I don't like the way that it sounds, but like navigate or dance with all of this change, because once you are on the other side of this and your brain has changed and all the things, then you get to worry about your heart. So I'm just gonna say like you might want to lengthen this out and figure out who you want to be.

Shari Teigman 21:54  

Also, what an opportunity. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I like to take the funny side of life. If we already feel like shit. Why don't we start unpacking when we already feel like shit? I'm not gonna wait till I feel better to then figure it out. I'll be much more honest with myself if I have frustration. It's like, you know what? I don't want to do that anymore, even though I've done it every Tuesday for the past 20 years. I'm good. I don't want to apologize for it. No is a complete sentence. I don't have to be unkind. But I'm done. I'm done with that task at work. People then learn your new boundaries, and weirdly, they adjust faster than we do. No one else stays up at night worrying about this. Oh, she wants something different, cool. Oh, God, I should have said that 20 years ago. Why didn't I say that 20 years ago? 

Lesley Logan 22:35  

Yeah, yeah. Well, and that's, that is, I think, where a lot of people get stuck. It's like, why, why? And it's like, almost like it's that is worth exploring. And also, in the meantime, just start sticking up for yourself now.

Shari Teigman 22:46  

Process it later but we'll get to it. And I find a lot of my clients, both men and women, are so terrified to put down what they've been doing, because if they realize that it's much easier to get unstuck than it was to get stuck, they're mortified at how long they tortured themselves, in their mindset, in their performance, in their roles, in what they made true. I could just decide tomorrow not to be stressed about that. Obviously, there's more to it. But then, what do I do with the 20 years of torture that's I have to reconcile that I lost that time, or I gave that away, or I let someone else make decisions for me, it's painful, but we don't have to sit in it, acknowledge it, and say, I'm not going to lose any more days.

Lesley Logan 23:28  

Yeah, yeah. I guess, like, do they need to I mean, do they need to feel the pain? Do they need to grieve? How do they what is the best way to acknowledge it so that they can, you know, keep going with the new way and be satisfied in that?

Shari Teigman 23:41  

I love the question, because most people think I can't do that. You have no choice if you want to get there. I believe that equal to the level of joy and fulfillment and peace you want, you have to be willing to go as deep as you want to go high it's we don't get to close off one door and then think, you know the arrow is going to stretch without pulling it back. So I like to call it the glorious end. I can be pissed off and ready. I can be terrified and excited. I can be sad and elated about something. So if I don't allow the emotion, the emotion will sneak up on me when I don't want it, it will come out in the who put the empty cereal box back in the cabinet. It'll come out at work when it should have come out at home and vice versa. It'll come out in too small a new decision, because I don't have the bandwidth to make the real decision I want. Why would we waste more energy? So for me, I tell everyone, men and women, feel it. Punch a pillow. Cry in a pillow, write it out. Burn it out, whatever your ritual needs to be dance it out, bang it out. I'm actually coming out with a journal in a few months that is basically, it's called The Maverick Way: A Field Guide to Coming Undone on Purpose. And every exercise is more ridiculous than the next one. And it's like, the Fuck It Resume is one of them. Like, what are the things you're terrible at? Write it out like we have to tell the truth so we can't. Pretend to only have the highlight reel, and then feel like a human being I am awful at some things, which reminds me of why I'm so good at other things. Then I've got my own way. I don't know what I want. Of course, you don't know. You don't know who you are. You're not willing to say I'm not good at that. Knowing that bothers me. That makes me cry. Am I too much? Okay, am I too little for someone else? Okay. We have to take all of these rules away, feel what we need to feel, and say, I know that might not make may not make you sad, Lesley, but I've been thinking about this for 40 years, and I need to sit in this for a couple of hours and just grieve what I made okay, or mourn what I lost, the conversations I didn't have, the jobs I didn't get, the pain I allowed myself because I didn't want to hurt anyone else, like ow, that hurts, and we get tired of the feeling very quickly when we let it stick it out, when you avoid it, it will chase your ass everywhere and pop up when you don't want it. I am going to grieve, because it's part of my process of making space for something new. I'm unpacking. So I'm unpacking, and I'm understanding. In my unpack, I'm really angry at my third grade teacher because she told me that I couldn't do something, and I believed her for the next 30 years, and she wouldn't even remember who I was. So I already think it. I might as well let myself, let it come up, journal it out, write it on the wall, scream it, throw it, laugh at it. Whatever you need. You get a freedom. There's just a release. As soon as you have release, just like in our bodies, you know, Pilates, yoga, what do you do? Breathe deeper into it so it releases. Grip it. You're all in grip. You know, it's a Chinese finger, that's trapped, it's not getting out. So how do we get out of where we're trapped? We release. We go deeper in, and then we can come out. It sounds scary, but if we don't judge emotions for right or wrong, we'll just feel what I need to feel. I don't need it anymore.

Lesley Logan 26:45  

Oh, I love this so much. And also, are you gonna do a fuck it retreat? Because you could do a fucking retreat where we could have rooms with pillows and then the smash rooms, and then we could have those, like those phone booths you could just scream in. 

Shari Teigman 26:57  

And then a nap room for all of the exhausted rage.

Lesley Logan 27:01  

Yes, oh my god, this is like this all. It could just be a fucking space, and people could just be members.

Shari Teigman 27:07  

Yes, I love this. Every month there's a new way to let it go.

Lesley Logan 27:12  

I'm in. I interviewed this guy who, like, created these booths for hospitals where, like, nurses or doctors could go in. And I think he said it was just so they could have some peace and quiet, because hospitals are really loud, and all I could think is, like, you could scream in there.

Shari Teigman 27:26  

I would totally. Are you telling me it's soundproof so you won't know what I'm doing in there? (inaudible)

Lesley Logan 27:34  

I know. Like, isn't this? I think this, in Vegas, there's a place where you can go and, like, smash things. And I'm like, you can go, like a rage.

Shari Teigman 27:40  

(inaudible) to one in New York. I think it's the greatest thing I've ever done in my whole life. We did it five years ago. My kids and I are still talking about it. It was so powerful, and it was very meditative. And I never felt stronger in my life. We were running in the streets afterwards, kicking garbage cans, which maybe they should have a restroom afterwards, because we were so amped up.

Lesley Logan 28:01  

Like, like a waiting area, like a reentry.

Shari Teigman 28:05  

We're gonna integrate before we let you on the streets of Brooklyn, lady, thanks.

Lesley Logan 28:11  

Oh, my god, I love that so much. Okay, so obviously, like, you work with these amazing Mavericks, and you do have a lot of experience, and you talk about perimenopause, is there anything that you find in the perimenopause space with women? Because that's we have a lot of and we have, you know, we have a women who are on the other side and enjoy your space, ladies, I hope you're, hope you're having a great time. We'll get this. 

Shari Teigman 28:30  

We're coming as fast as we can.

Lesley Logan 28:33  

But is there, are there signs and symptoms that people are ignoring? Because I think, like everyone pays attention to the medical ones, the hot flashes or dryness, or my whatever, but like, what about like, the emotional? And that's one of the things I think I tried. There's these, these things that come out in our personalities.

Shari Teigman 28:50  

I think it's that. It's those days you feel like Jekyll and Hyde, and then you're counting your cycle, and you're wondering, it's not physical, it's the emotional, shorter fuse. Care about less things, because sometimes we're more emotional and other times we're equal amounts of completely numb. So when you feel yourself numbing out, notice when you feel yourself raging about something you didn't care about before. Or I know for me, the lack of control when a brain fog comes in, I'm obviously creative and very cerebral and very verbal, and when I can't remember my name or remember how to say the word pink, I get terrified. I thought I had dementia. I didn't know this was a thing. I was I something's wrong with me, so noticing when you just don't feel like yourself, like I remember when I was pregnant with my first son, I was 24, what the hell was I doing? But okay, I was 24 shouldn't have been allowed to cross the street by myself, and I didn't lose him. He's great. We were figuring things out as we go. But we have these books What to Expect When You're Expecting. Never read them. If you don't have the symptoms that week you think something's wrong, and the last time I checked a woman's body, you and I could be next to each other. We won't have anything that's the same. Why the hell would I follow someone else's blueprint for life, pregnancy, for business, for relationships? I don't want blueprints. I want tear away sheets where I can make it up and then throw it out when I'm done. So if you feel something that isn't you and you're not sure how you feel about it, because some of us like that, all of a sudden I care less or that I can't remember every detail about some gossip someone told me that I don't not interested in. I kind of like that it blows out. So when I started noticing the difference, because I was scared, I only paid attention to the bad things. But when I found out I wasn't dying, I blessedly, didn't have dementia, I'm just lucky enough to graduate to the next video game of mother of womanhood, yay. And the new monsters are coming. I tried to look at, what are the good things? And I do that with all the FemGevity women is, what do you like in the midst of it that I can't juggle as much as I used to? So, I used to be queen multitasker, and I can't do it anymore, and it's okay, and it's actually really nice for my nervous system not to be the master of all at all times, like, I don't have that valve anymore, I can enjoy that, that when I want to be present, I can actually feel more present, because I can't be on as much as I used to be. I care less about a lot of things, so I will speak out for myself, not as much as I'd like to, but much more than I used to, because I can't keep it in anymore. It just comes out of my mouth, like, who, who said that? I would never used to say that. So look at the pros and cons of this. If we're on this roller coaster, instead of just gripping the bar, maybe we could put our hands up once in a while. Maybe we can enjoy the view from at the top of it before we drop. So what are the things that if you could let go of that you've never been able to your whole life? What if this is the opportunity to loosen some of the glue, move some of those joints and let it out anyway, in the wash, because it's going so we don't have to hold everything and new hobbies, things that I haven't made the time for, that my brain can use as new instead of I used to be good at this, and I'm not anymore. What else do I want to try? So I travel a lot for work, so I'm in London for a month, New York for a month, alternating. So I try to let my brain be a different version of me, wherever I am, because I'm jet lagged and exhausted, even if I didn't go anywhere. So it's like, okay, which version is going to be me? So like, I'm in London now, when I go home, I saw a three hour DJ class. I'm not a musician. I know nothing about it, but my brain wants something new to chew on, instead of all the mistakes that I've made and all the things that I can't remember and where did I put my keys? I'm going to go use it for something fun. If there's space in there, because I can't remember anything, I might as well put something good in there. So I think it's the permission to let it flow out of you, good and bad at the same time, and just say you're moving anyway. So you know, when you move house, like, while it's emotional and sad, you find shit you didn't even know was there. So the piles for donation and the clearing out of the 14 mugs you got at someone's Bar Mitzvah that you don't need. Like, it's a great time to let stuff go. We don't have to pack it all and bring it to the next place. So I think if you look at it as a time of decluttering and re-deciding those mental symptoms can be less scary. It's not, oh, I'm gone. No, that version of me doesn't want to be here anymore, because if it did, I'd find a way to keep her.

Lesley Logan 33:22  

Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. I'm obsessed with you and all this. And there is the woman who's listening going, okay, well, easy, easy for you to say, you know what? I mean, like, what do you what do you say to the person who's like, kind of, and I'm sure you've met them, they kind of fight to to hold, I mean, we already talked about this, fighting to hold on to the shoes.

Shari Teigman 33:42  

(inaudible) I am her, so I was the biggest train wreck in this of anybody. I've got two kids in their 20s. My mom, who was my best friend, passed away a year and a half ago. I work internationally, so I never know what time zone I'm in, and then perimenopause hits, and I'm 4'11" and gained about 45 pounds overnight, so I looked like a little blueberry. I didn't like I don't know what. Everything changed at once. And I'm a fighter. The psychiatrist told me I'm scrappy. I still have that personality trait. I don't go down easily. I don't surrender easily, which is why I'm really good at what I do, because I know the resistance. If 17 years ago, me met me now, I would cross the street. I would never go anywhere near me, because I didn't want the help. I didn't think anything was wrong. I couldn't handle the silence of my own mind. I was in survival mode. So like I get it, I want everyone to know they're looking and listening at a version of two women. I don't know your backstory, but I know you do the work. Who do the work? Which means there was a reason we started the work. You're seeing an evolved version of us. I mean, if you want the old me, I'm good, I'll tell you. And you people say to me, why do you tell everyone everything like so they don't put me on some imaginary pedestal. I'm crazier than you. I'm ragier here than you. I have more mood swings than you. I. Work with people, and I don't like them so much most of the time. I love souls. I don't like all the people-y stuffs like, I'm friendly, and then I'm not. I'm an introvert, and then I'm an extrovert. I'm on stage dancing, then I don't want to talk to anyone like I am the whole kaleidoscope. So for all the women thinking, oh, but you've got it figured out, I made it up as I go along, and I make it up every day, and people pay me a lot of money to help them make it up also. So if we make it playful and we make it funny, it's easier to untangle, it's easier to get out of our shackles, because everyone's making it up. 

Lesley Logan 35:33  

Yeah? Well, that's the thing, right? Like, that's the thing you like, discover along your entrepreneurial journey. I'm like, I'm in a room with all these people who are making all this time, like, oh, you just bought ads and (inaudible).

Shari Teigman 35:46  

And you're crying in the bathroom too, while I wanted to take a selfie with you because I thought you were a guru, I'd rather hug you in the bathroom crying. This is even better. 

Lesley Logan 35:52  

Yeah, yeah. And it's, it's really, it's so true, right? Like, because, like, we're on social media, and people can be like, the the typewriter troll, who's like, oh, easy. It's like, and I have just come to the place where I'm like, I really do like, this phase I'm in. I'm like, no, I was homeless 10 years ago, and I've worked my ass off to do my dream job. (inaudible) Yeah, yeah. So I've worked my ass off. And so you might think I'm this, but I'm gonna tell you right now, I deserve everything that I have right now because I work for it. So don't take that from me and.

Shari Teigman 36:16  

Go (inaudible) your mother's basement and (inaudible) someone else.

Lesley Logan 36:26  

Exactly. So, but, like, it's so fun. Like, I'm like, wow, the 10 years ago version be like, oh my god. People think I'm this. 

Shari Teigman 36:34  

An imposter. Yeah, no, I am fully me. Sorry everyone. 

Lesley Logan 36:37  

Yeah, but I do. I'm with you. Like, I also think that a lot of people we do have, we have put on imaginary pedestals, have told us their traumas and their stories, and we only we are like, this is this? You are the Mecca that I need to be, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna do all the things. And so I think it's really easy for us to just forget that stuff. And I appreciate your honesty. And I also think thank you for sharing like for everyone listening, I hope you heard like, you just have to kind of get started and get to know every single day. You can't wait until you feel ready. You're not gonna feel ready. I'm sure, I'm sure Shari's never felt, I don't feel ready. 

Shari Teigman 37:12  

I don't feel ready even when I am ready because I wouldn't even ask myself that question, well, we're doing this then, aren't we?

Lesley Logan 37:18  

Yeah, yeah. It's true. Yeah. It's so true. Because, like, the one time I I said, okay, people, it was many years ago, but the first time I was teaching like 85 people, and all these people had come to this, the first time this event was happening. So, like, I was so, like, I felt blessed and honored and excited to be invited to this, the inaugural of this thing. And I'm looking at all these people who've, like, wanted to take class with me, and they know what they're doing. And then I'm looking at this front this front row of people who just wanted to support me, but they've never done anything. And I'm like, oh my God. I have people who don't know what they're doing. I have people who have this expectation of me that I don't even know what it is. And my husband was micing me, and I'm like, is the mic on? And he's like, no. And I'm like, I'm actually, like, really nervous, right? Like, I don't think I can do this. 

Shari Teigman 38:01  

I don't even ask if the mic's on. I'm like, I'm gonna ship myself, and it'll be 600 people waiting, and I don't want to go, who gave me this microphone? Who thinks I can do this? And then 20 seconds later, I'm on stage, arm flapping like nothing happened. Like, bring all of it with us. If you weren't scared, you wouldn't have missed the whole thing.

Lesley Logan 38:19  

Yeah, well, and also, and that's just exactly it. And he just like at me, and he just said, how is this different than what you already do? And I was just like, oh, that's right, thank you. Thank you for the reminder that, like it's, I'm fine, but I think, like it's, it's so important that you all hear like we're every person you put on a pedestal. You hear their story, you're like, oh my god, I'm so inspired. They wake up every day and have to figure out who they are that day, like they all do. 

Shari Teigman 38:44  

The panic in our stomach some days and the anxiety. And I'm not wishing anyone stuff they don't have, but I want you to know everyone has their version of this, and it's not, oh, you're so brave. I didn't have a choice, so I got brave. And some days I'm not brave and but unfortunately, I'm a naturally happy, sad person, so like, I navigate this who are we going to be today? I want to be happy, but I feel sad, but I am happy, but I'm also sad. I stopped trying to pick one or the other. I'm both. I love when I'm on a podcast and like BJ Fogg's sister Linda is a friend of mine. We were in a mastermind together years ago. 

Lesley Logan 39:20  

She lives, she lives in my town. 

Shari Teigman 39:21  

Linda, you're kidding me. I love she's amazing. How funny. What a small world. That's crazy, like I watched the Linda's and the BJs of the world, and it's brilliant, and it's all very organized, and it's strategic, and it makes sense. And then you've got me, who is complete creative chaos. It's the only way I know how to function. You either love it or I terrify you. I'm fine with both. I can't, not going to change. I've tried. This is who I am, and I'll be on a podcast big audience, and they're like so Shari, what are your rituals every morning? And I burst out laughing, because I'm not going to lie to anyone which day, which mood, which temperature. What's it like outside? What am I wearing? I don't know. I wake up every morning I decide what I want to feel. I'll start with a feeling I want connection today. So yes, my days are crazy and scheduled, and I'm blessed to have a very busy coaching practice, and I run a department for a company in a country, in another country like I don't have a lot of flexibility in my time, and I still have to lead with what I need. Otherwise, no one else will get anything from me, and it took me a long time to not go into my own performance mode to help everyone else with their performance. What? I stepped into the same step for wife game that I was in my marriage. Climbed out of that, and I'm like, oh, coach world, green juice, yoga pants, alignment, words, what am I wearing? It's all lovely. If it works for you, that's when the Maverick was born. It's either going to be my way or I can't do it. Stop trying to pick up everyone else's way of fitting into your own life. It won't fit you. So again, it's that curiosity, it's that playfulness, it's the bad mood and good mood mixed together. Then you're being honest.

Lesley Logan 40:54  

Yeah, it's true. I am. I have three hours every morning for a morning routine, and the very start of my morning routine is the same. I get into a cold plunge. I read three books that are like daily things that I'm hopeful that something sticks, and then I go for a walk. And then after the walk, it's like, okay, what do I want to do? Do I want to do Pilates? Do I want to do my shake plate? Do I want to do my red light? Do I want to have breakfast now or breakfast later? And it has to go with what I'm feeling, which is why I gave myself three hours to do that because I, like you, I, well, I just discovered I have ADHD, which is its own fun thing, to discover perimenopausal. And then you're just like, oh, I'm the one they need to I thought my husband had ADHD. No, I do. And then it's like, wait a minute. So I'm overwhelmed because of the ADHD and. 

Shari Teigman 41:47  

All of it, yeah. 

Lesley Logan 41:49  

Just like, What do you mean? I can't, like, I'm also freaking out about the typing of the fingers because I, like, I just thought that I just had sensory integration disorder. So it's just you have to, excuse me, excuse me. I just wasn't diagnosed as a child and and here we are and now I get to know myself and perimenopause. But I think, like, I love that you share that, because I think that there's a world where you can be in the yoga pants with the green juice and the alignment words, and if it does, yes, and if it doesn't work for you. You can be like Shari and I and you can ask yourself how you want to feel, and give yourself the time to feel that. And I think that that's brilliant, yeah. 

Shari Teigman 42:27  

And then have your green juice, or take a nap or rage or sleep or meditate like it's all wonderful, but none of these things are going to save you from yourself till you know yourself.

Lesley Logan 42:34  

Yeah, oh my god.

Shari Teigman 42:34  

It doesn't work. I tried it.

Lesley Logan 42:34  

I'm obsessed with you. We're gonna take a brief break and find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you, and your Be It Action Items. 

Lesley Logan 42:44  

All right, Shari, where do you hang out? Where will this journal be when it's ready? Where can they stalk you?

Shari Teigman 42:55  

So I hang out on Instagram. I am there. I am loud. Sometimes I'm consistent. This is my consistency. I'm gone for a week, and then you'll see me 14 stories later. It just depends on the mood. When the mood strikes and the ideas come, the journal will be out, I'm hoping in February, which is extremely exciting. It's being designed now by a chaotic designer, which is perfect for me. And I love making new friends so they can come and come say hi to me on Instagram. It's Shari Teigman. You'll see me with my crazy glasses. As I'm known for a variety of glasses, it only happened because I'm on Zoom all day long, and I get very tired of looking at my face, so I needed to mix it up so that I wouldn't be bored. So I'm saying hi.

Lesley Logan 43:39  

I just needed some magic to look at. There were signs that I had ADHD. I'm like, let's put stars on your hands.

Shari Teigman 43:44  

I wouldn't have known it, right? I don't know where it came from. So I'm there. This is what I'm like all the time. I love when someone gets on a call with me, like a sales call, like, oh my god, you're exactly like you are online. Who else could I be? This is enough trouble to maintain you think I'm gonna have another personality for someone else? So I'm exactly like this. No one else answers my messages. I love meeting new people. I'd love to hear what you got from the podcast, what you're working on, what's your Maverick? What do you want to say out loud that you won't say to anyone else, like, I'm here to witness it. Come and play.

Lesley Logan 44:17  

Gosh. Okay, you have really given us so much already, but we do like our bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps at the end. What do you have for us?

Shari Teigman 44:25  

So I actually felt long and hard about this, which you should feel special, Lesley. 

Lesley Logan 44:29  

I do. I actually really do. 

Shari Teigman 44:30  

(inaudible) about anything, so I'll think about it and then I'll forget it. So it's not a want to, it's just in and out. So I think, based upon everything we talked about, an easy action step to live this is it's a hard one to say out loud, but it's going to punch everyone in the face, which is why I like it. Clean up the internal contradictions, and it's as simple as you're saying you want a bigger life, but you keep making micro choices. You're lying to your nervous system. You're answering an older version of yourself. You have to understand that the identity that you want for the life that you want is going to require aligned actions to that. So it's as simple as I say, I want to do Pilates every day, and yet I find myself laying on the couch. Pilates isn't happening. I did it today. I am tired from jet lag. I'm a yoga person. I love it, and I haven't done it so I could tell you, I love yoga, but I haven't done it in six weeks. I didn't realize till I said, when's the last time I took my mat out? Oh my god, I would have told you I did it a few days ago. Perimenopausal brain, I thought I did. So, telling ourselves the truth and cleaning up the internal contradictions makes us stop looking for answers from the outside of like, how come I just can't do it because you're not telling yourself the truth. So if I choose to lay on the couch, maybe I needed it that day. Maybe I didn't realize that that's what I wanted. Like, if I decide to stay on the couch, I do it intentionally. If I decide to do the yoga I don't check my phone in between, like, choose whatever it is intentionally and clean up those internal contradictions. The questions you ask will be much more clear and much more honest, and then you'll get to some answers.

Lesley Logan 46:07  

It is a good punch in the face, and I really like it. 

Shari Teigman 46:09  

I punch myself in the face with it too. I'm like, oh god, if I say it out loud, I then have to do it.

Lesley Logan 46:17  

I it's so true, and it's really it's really funny. We get smart like, then I'll just keep it to myself, but.

Shari Teigman 46:23  

Not gonna unleash that one. Are we? 

Lesley Logan 46:25  

No, I'm like, I won't tell anyone, and then they won't know. 

Shari Teigman 46:29  

Let me know how it goes. 

Lesley Logan 46:31  

Yeah. Oh, that one is so good. I'm so glad to have you. I mean, we're gonna have to have you back. I can't believe we haven't crossed paths, because I feel like you are just a dear friend in my life already. You guys, I agree with Shari. What touched you, what made you think like, what? Where did you go, oh, fuck it, Shari. Can't believe you called me out. She wants to know. I want to know. So tag her. Tag the Be It Pod. Share this with a girlfriend who needs to hear it like cheer for the scrappy front of the resilient friend, because I know that they need to feel so seen, and you know what to do. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 47:03  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 47:46  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 47:51  

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Brad Crowell 47:55  

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Lesley Logan 48:02  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 48:05  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Are you wheeling around a pile of emotional baggage you’ve mistakenly labeled as your identity? In this recap episode, Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell dive into the transformative insights shared by Shari Teigman, a dynamic performance coach and creative business strategist who specializes in guiding high achievers through major life transitions. Shari reveals why coming undone is the prerequisite for authenticity, especially for those navigating midlife identity shifts. The hosts break down the red shoes metaphor, the necessity of active emotional release, and why joy requires going massively deep internally.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How to unpack other people’s baggage to reclaim your own identity. 
• The grieving process is an important part of unpacking to feel joy. 
• Learn how Swedish death cleaning prevents leaving baggage for others.
• Why it’s important to acknowledge your emotions as neither good nor bad. 
• Clean up internal contradictions and choose intentional actions over excuses.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

So you ultimately have to understand why you keep repacking the same thing in order to finally get a chance to make any real choices. So I love this because, like, I feel like some people think that they're self-sabotaging, or they're in the same spiral, and it's like, yeah, but you kept packing the same stuff, expecting a new result. 

Brad Crowell 0:18  

Or you're carrying around the old shit. 

Lesley Logan 0:19  

Yes but and you just keep repacking the old shit, and that's why you don't get anything new. 

Lesley Logan 0:25  

Welcome to the be it till you see it, podcast where we talk about taking messy action knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan Pilate instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained 1000s of people around the world, and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and be it till you see it. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 1:07  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I

 are going to dig into the unraveling convo I had with Shari Teigman in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you can pause this one and then listen to that one, or you can listen to this one here. We have to say we've got some fun stuff to talk about, and then go listen that one. But you cannot miss it.

Brad Crowell 1:25  

It's an epic episode. 

Lesley Logan 1:26  

I want to be friends with her. 

Brad Crowell 1:27  

Yeah, she's badass.

Lesley Logan 1:29  

I do. We should tell her, when we're in London, I don't like I really. 

Brad Crowell 1:32  

We should tell her when we're in London. 

Lesley Logan 1:33  

I don't know how we're gonna fit in another meal, but like, she can meet me for I don't know. She's great. Anyway.,

Brad Crowell 1:39  

She might be in New York. She lives between the two. 

Lesley Logan 1:42  

She does live between the two. You know what? Then, if she doesn't at least we reached out. But, you know, at least we reached out. The sign that you have ADHD is that you want to hang out with someone, and then you hope that they're not available. 

Lesley Logan 1:53  

Okay, today, while you guys are listening to this is April 30th 2026 and today we're bringing awareness to two things. 

Brad Crowell 2:00  

Two things. 

Lesley Logan 2:01  

So Walpurgis night. 

Brad Crowell 2:03  

Walpurgis night.

Lesley Logan 2:03  

The Mass of St. Walpurgis Night or Walpurgis Night, is observed on April 30th in parts of northern and eastern Europe, from Sweden to the Czech Republic. It is known as Walpurgis in German speaking nations, Valborg in Sweden and Čarodejnice. 

Brad Crowell 2:20  

Good job. I'm really impressed. 

Lesley Logan 2:22  

There's a J and an N connected to each other. 

Brad Crowell 2:24  

Čarodejnice. 

Lesley Logan 2:26  

Čarodejnice because there's an E in there too. In the Czech Republic.

Brad Crowell 2:29  

We butchered the hell out of that. So if you don't know how to say it, send us a voicemail, send us a DM.

Lesley Logan 2:35  

You can, you can call us and leave us a message. And I would love to hear how to say that. (inaudible) Walpurgis Night is also known as the other Halloween. For example, on April 30th, a traditional Walpurgis night ritual involves the burning of an effigy of a witch on a campfire in Sweden. This is a bonfire night once thought to ward off evil spirits, but it's now a fun way to get rid of excess gardening trash. I'm here for the gardening trash. I'm not here for burning fucking witches. So, Brad, you sold me this wrong, because I didn't realize we're burning a witch. 

Brad Crowell 3:07  

It said an effigy of a witch.

Lesley Logan 3:09  

An effigy of a witch. That's burning a witch. This is we are upset. We're rejecting.

Brad Crowell 3:15  

Oh, yeah, it's the sculpture or model of a person. 

Lesley Logan 3:18  

Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 3:18  

Well, we're getting rid of those witches. 

Lesley Logan 3:20  

No, no, the witches are the healers, Brad, look it up. So the witches actually were the women healers who had all the information, and they kept it, and they passed it down to the other women about all these different ways to heal from different illnesses and aches and pains, and also how to do periods. And they had these wonderful, wonderful informations. And when they made those healers witches, those women became people that no one could talk to. They became untouchables. And so after three generations, you now no longer have history, and that is how they control you ladies, that's how they do it. So anyways, now that I've fixed that day, why don't you go on with the holiday that sounds way better?

Brad Crowell 3:59  

Oh yeah, we're not for burning witches. International Jazz Day, this is Brad's excitement here, join with people around the world as this day promotes jazz's roots and our intercultural influence every year, on April 30th. All that jazz. Many considered America's classical music, yeah, maybe, after all, jazz began in New Orleans over 100 years ago. Legendary jazz pianist and composer Herbie Hancock, along with, along with the UN helped create International Jazz Day in 2011. Read on for a musical look distinctly American art form, and don't miss out on a list of four cool jazz sub genres. 

Lesley Logan 4:36  

Brad, what are those four sub genres? 

Brad Crowell 4:38  

I have no idea, and didn't read the rest of that whole book. But what I can tell you is that this is something I love, I'm passionate about. I grew up listening on the way home from soccer practice with my dad, we would listen to 90.1 and it was Temple's Jazz, Temple Philadelphia Jazz station. So it really left an impact on me as a youngster, I got really into the music. And my dad wasn't really playing like performing jazz, but he does play the trombone. And was playing the trombone at the church, never playing jazz. He was always playing, you know, hymns and choirs, stuff, whatever. But, you know, I got really into that, and that was an inspiration as a kid to play the trombone myself. And then all through high school, I got really into jazz, and then I went to college for it, and I studied the trombone playing jazz there. And when I moved out to L.A. I sat all that down, and I started playing rock and roll with my bass guitar and singing and all that stuff. It was fun. But coming to Vegas, just down the street from where we live, is a lovely. 

Lesley Logan 5:34  

Less than a mile. It's like half a mile, maybe three quarters, but. 

Brad Crowell 5:37  

It is a hour that hosts a live jazz night every Monday night, and it's fantastic. Like the musicians are, you know, either grads or they're going through UNLV's Jazz programs. Some of them are doing their masters in music. And these guys get together and they jam every Friday. 

Lesley Logan 5:55  

Monday. 

Brad Crowell 5:55  

Every Monday, sorry, every Monday. And I have been very intentional about making sure I'm there. I just love listening. And I literally am, like, the super dork. People think I'm the manager or the owner of the bar. 

Lesley Logan 6:06  

Because he has his computer out, you guys, and he works.

Brad Crowell 6:08  

Because I take my laptop and I work in the back corner. 

Lesley Logan 6:10  

I'm like, 10 till 2. 10 pm till 2 am.

Brad Crowell 6:13  

Yeah, one. Usually I'm leaving around 1:15 but it's three hours of live jazz. They do three sets, and the third set is my favorite, because, talking about sub genres, they always start with, like, a little bit, like, you know, lower, more palatable, as it were, and by the end of the night they're playing, like, huge, like, intense fusion, crazy, like, like, like driving music. And I eat that up. I love that. I think it's, it is also my ADHD brain.

Lesley Logan 6:41  

Are we gonna tell them where to go for this jazz music? 

Brad Crowell 6:43  

Yeah, it's called The Hard Hat, The Hard Hat Bar. 

Brad Crowell 6:46  

You're trying to keep it to yourself but you're selling it. 

Brad Crowell 6:48  

Yeah, yeah. No one else will love to go. I have my spot in the corner, so. 

Lesley Logan 6:50  

Also, if you're in Vegas on a Monday night, there's not a lot to do. This is a thing you can do, and it's one of the oldest parts. It's not the oldest bar, but people think it is. It's one of the oldest bars.

Brad Crowell 6:59  

It was in the is started in the 60's, I think.

Lesley Logan 7:01  

Yeah. According to Las Vegas City (inaudible), it's the third oldest bar.

Brad Crowell 7:05  

Yeah, but we love it. I love it. Lesley has been there once I think. 

Lesley Logan 7:08  

Zero times. 

Brad Crowell 7:08  

Zero times? You've never been?

Lesley Logan 7:09  

You've never taken me. Nope. That's why.

Brad Crowell 7:10  

It's not I haven't taken you. You there's never a chance where you're awake. Zero chances that you're awake.

Lesley Logan 7:16  

There's zero chances, I mean, on a Monday night. But I here's the thing, guys, I gotta go, because Brad doesn't really under, like, he didn't really understand what like signals he was putting out one Monday night. These people were at his table where he has his computer so he can watch and be on his computer. So he just kept looking at the people at this table over and over and over again. 

Brad Crowell 7:35  

Yeah, I kept glancing and like, how many drinks are these people gonna have, like I want my corner. I like my little spot.  

Lesley Logan 7:41  

And then he, like, had us finally sit down with his back to them. So then he kept turning around and looking at them, and so they bought him a drink, thinking he was hitting on them.

Brad Crowell 7:52  

It's true. They definitely, I apparently got caught looking and and I realized, oh yeah, okay, that happened.

Lesley Logan 7:59  

Yeah, I'm just fine when you're table, although I this would happen to anybody like us, because, like, I'm near my table, that's my spot. Anyways, I'll get to The Hard Hat one of these days, one of these Tuesdays, I won't have to get up at five in the morning, so I'll check it out. But go, go listen to some jazz. Go just play it on your Spotify today, because it's International Jazz Day.

Brad Crowell 8:14  

If you want, if you want some recommendations, I'm a big fan of a US based group. They're from DC area. They're named Snarky Puppy, and it's, it's a really cool group, because they are like a mix of different musicians that will come in and leave. So sometimes this the band might be four people, sometimes it might be 20 people, right? And they and they just, wherever they do concerts, they pull in all these locals, and they have, like the band director effectively, is a brilliant composer, and he composes with other people. But I've really enjoyed listening to Snarky Puppy. So if you're wondering, you know, what are we talking about here, check them out. 

Brad Crowell 8:53  

I hope people have an idea of jazz. I would love so. The world is going to hell. And I think it is really, especially hell, if you have not heard some jazz.

Brad Crowell 9:01  

Yeah, but I'm not listening to like, Kenny G elevator jazz, like, that's not my jam. I want something that has definitely got more, you know, juice.

Lesley Logan 9:10  

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, thanks, babe, thanks for, I love your holiday.

Brad Crowell 9:15  

I have another one. I'm gonna share one more. 

Lesley Logan 9:16  

Okay. 

Brad Crowell 9:17  

So Stan Kenton's Cuban Fire Suite is a journey, and it's worth just sitting down with a, you know, a glass of wine and listening to it from start to finish. I love it. Have so much fun. Enjoy that. 

Brad Crowell 9:27  

All right, here's what's coming up. So Lesley is super busy tomorrow, starting all day, because we have a whole bunch of people coming to the house. They're actually been coming through all day today, doing private sessions with Lesley, and tomorrow she's kicking off the Cadillac Weekend. 

Lesley Logan 9:42  

It's the third weekend of five weekends. 

Brad Crowell 9:44  

For eLevate, her mentorship program.

Lesley Logan 9:47  

Yeah, and if you're wanting to know more information about 2027's eLevate, there's a few spots left. We actually, on the day we're recording this, accepted two more people. So between, they may have already put their deposit in, which maybe we really like have three spots left, but don't be like, oh, I'm never gonna get it. Like, if you want it, fine, right? Like, we can talk about it. The application is really easy. It's mostly so I can make sure it's the right program for you. I don't, I don't want to sell you something that's not what you're looking for. So lesleylogan.co/elevate. A seventh through the 10th, we'll be in, well, Scottsdale, actually, Brad, we're in Scottsdale at P.O.T. so we hope to see you there. We'll have a booth. I'm not teaching at it, but we'll have a booth. So come, come by. Say hi. I think we're gonna have the dog. 

Lesley Logan 10:27  

Yeah, we're gonna bring Bayon. We're driving in. We're taking the dog. It's a camp tent. 

Brad Crowell 10:33  

We called ahead, and they were like, oh yeah, we're totally dog friendly toys, we're ike, heck, yeah, let's do it.

Lesley Logan 10:37  

So we're bringing our dog, because it would be so sad. We'll have him home for a month and we have to leave him again. Spring Training is right after we get back. It is May 12th to the 17th. It's about getting upside down, getting overhead. It's really like all the OPC teachers and I are using the workouts.

Brad Crowell 10:51  

That's OPC Spring Training.

Lesley Logan 10:52  

Yeah, we're using the workouts and on the mat reformer, tower, and Wunda chair to help you understand the connections, you need to actually do upside down overhead exercises with control and strength so you don't have to fear about hurting your neck or or also you think like I can't do these exercises. I have belly abundance or chest abundance, or whatever. Now there are people that they're not ideally for, but well, you'll learn the replacement exercises for yourself. So you can be in any of these classes, because I do not believe to be an advanced practitioner you do upside down stuff. To be an advanced Pilates practitioner, you have to have connections, so you could be doing non upside down stuff and be an advanced practitioner. So I'm excited for you for that. So opc.me/events and then Summer Tour is literally gonna be announced at any moment, and if it hasn't already so opc.me/tour.

Brad Crowell 11:39  

Tickets are coming at the end of May or beginning of June, because it'll basically be after spring training.

Lesley Logan 11:46  

Yeah, right after. So we are going to do, we are doing, and we're doing a route we've never done before.

Brad Crowell 11:51  

Yeah, I know I'm excited. We're going to be going straight across the middle of the country all the way out to Knoxville, and then we're going to loop back around and hit North Texas on the way back. And then I think we're going to do Tucson, because we haven't been there in a really long time. 

Lesley Logan 12:01  

Yeah, fixing it up, giving another city in Arizona some love, so. 

Lesley Logan 12:06  

But go to opc.me/tour.

Lesley Logan 12:11  

Oh my god, we've already seen the merch.

Brad Crowell 12:13  

It's really fun. 

Lesley Logan 12:14  

You guys, even though every year, every tour, we're like, that's so great. How could it get better? It gets better, it gets better. It gets better. So anyways, we have to get into Shari, because she's so great. But before we do that, we have a question.

Brad Crowell 12:25  

We sure do. @laurat9266 from YouTube asks, hey, would you ever consider a springboard for home use over the Wunda chair or spine corrector? I am gonna jump in right now.

Lesley Logan 12:38  

Okay, tell me, what do you think?

Brad Crowell 12:39  

They do, completely different thing.

Lesley Logan 12:41  

Great job. Brad. Way to go.

Brad Crowell 12:42  

Thank you. Like, why not have both.

Lesley Logan 12:45  

Well, and also, like a springboard, it just hangs on the wall, takes up almost no space, so you could still have room for a spine corrector. 

Brad Crowell 12:47  

Well, that's what I mean. You clearly need a reformer to do the springboard, so.

Lesley Logan 12:47  

No, you just need a wall. The springboard is like a. 

Brad Crowell 12:47  

I was thinking the jump board. 

Lesley Logan 12:47  

You were thinking a jump board. But also still a different thing. 

Brad Crowell 12:54  

They still do different things. 

Lesley Logan 13:00  

Yeah. So the springboard is, like, what you see on the walls with it's like, my wall unit, but like, half of a wall, because it doesn't even stick out from the wall. 

Brad Crowell 13:10  

Right. This just got a couple hooks in it. 

Lesley Logan 13:12  

Because I don't know why you're considering these three, right? Like, it sounds like space might be a diff, like, what we're talking about. 

Brad Crowell 13:19  

Well, maybe also cost. 

Lesley Logan 13:20  

Yeah or it could be cost. Springboards can be expensive, you guys, like, they are almost the same price as my tower, my tower, because I bought the high mat with it, it's like $2,200 full price. So like a springboard is like $1,700 I'm you have to look at these things, and also, who knows, because of all the shits going on. So use my discount. We'll put our, we'll put our Balanced Body, Contrology discount in here. But here's the thing, it depends on what you need. So if you're someone who has a bit more asymmetries, and you're more building your connections up than a springboard, or I prefer my Controlology wall tower, to be honest, because it has the push through bar and it's away from the wall, so it actually provides you the opportunity to do monkey, which you need space behind the tower to do. And also there's some things you can hang off the poles for, like there's just stuff you can do that you can't do with a springboard. So I prefer that if you're using that that can be a great way to take your mat practice to the next level, reformer practice to the next level, and develop the connections you need to advance your practice. When you look at equipment, when the space, the surface space, gets smaller, the more advanced it gets. So the Wunda chair, if you look at the surface space of a Wunda chair, compared to a mat or reformer or Cadillac, springboard, would be using a mat. It's going to be a more advanced piece of equipment. It's going to challenge the connections you have. There's definitely a lot of uses for it to teach exercises that are more advanced on the reformer and mat. It's just inherently a bit more of an advanced piece of equipment. It requires strong balance and connections. Has a lot of great work for asymmetry connections, but it's not easy. It's definitely got a challenge I love I love it, and I think it's wonderful for home use. Also you can do like five, six exercises on. And jump off. It's not it's great. The spine corrector is a whole different modality. So if you were to get one, only one thing, I would say, if you have access to doing mat work or going to a studio for other stuff, get a spine corrector because there's very few spine corrector classes, and every single person who listens to this podcast should be on a spine corrector, every single person. There is a plethora of exercises on there, but there's two series on there that everyone can do almost daily without overworking themselves, and that is the arm series and the leg series. So I really love a spine corrector. I love the Contrology one, mostly. But if you have an arc, you can check and look at my videos. I have tips on how to do that. So I would just say, like it really depends on what your goals are, Laura, and then it's go from there, you'll pick but you could honestly have all three of these in the same space, because, like the spine corrector can hang on a wall, the Springboard's on a wall, the Wunda chair can be pushed up against someone when it's not in use, you could pull it all out. So that's you know. Get them all.

Brad Crowell 16:01  

If you want to know which Contrology spine corrector she's talking about, just go to opc.me/spinecorrector opc.me/spinecorrector, and you'll be able to find that over there. Yeah. So great question. Thanks for asking. If you have a question, just text us at 310-905-5534, or— 

Lesley Logan 16:16  

Go ahead.

Brad Crowell 16:16  

You can submit it through, beitpod.com/questions where you can leave both a win and a question or one or the other. 

Lesley Logan 16:25  

And you can also, anytime you want to buy anything from Balanced Body or Controlology, like, reach out for our affiliate link, because if you if you can get a discount, you should, and if you can't, well, I mean, there's reasons why you can't, but you can always just talk to me and we'll figure out if it works. But like, why not try? Doesn't hurt. 

Brad Crowell 16:42  

Why not try? Love it. Yeah, stick around. We'll be right back. 

Brad Crowell 16:46  

Welcome back. Let's dig into this convo you have with Shari Teigman. Shari is a dynamic performance coach and creative business strategist who empowers driven individuals to break free from conventional expectations and unleash the Maverick within. She specializes in guiding ambitious professionals and high achievers who are exhausted by the status quo and currently navigating life's major transitions such as midlife identity shifts and perimenopause. Using her bold, unconventional approach, she helps clients authentically unpack their emotional baggage, resolve internal contradictions and intentionally design lives guided by their own rules.

Lesley Logan 17:27  

We could have had her for three episodes like she's just phenomenal, has so much to share.

Brad Crowell 17:33  

I enjoy her transparency. I think it's really funny to me to listen to someone who is willing to be transparent so that people don't judge them. Because I know I do that, like, I build the caveat into the statement with what the things that I say. And I was listening to her do it, and I was like, and then she acknowledged that she was doing it. I was like, oh, that's really interesting. I get that.

Lesley Logan 17:55  

I also think that we both do it, and I've never acknowledged it. Sometimes I do. I'm like, I'm about to acknowledge, like, this is gonna sound hypocritical, but like, I don't know, like, I understand. Like, I like to say those things not to be judged. But like, so people know that I don't sit here on my pedestal like I've got it all together. You know? I think we all have to be human. Anyways, that's not what I loved. I loved, she said, in our lives, we walk around carrying everyone else's red shoes, pile of crap, and you walk around wheeling it with you, because you call it identity, you call it belonging. And she said, the first piece to finding yourself is to unpack. And I just, I was like, oh, that is like, what a visual, what a visual. We wheel this pile of crap around because we mistakenly call it our identity, belonging, culture, religion, family, like, all these things. And I've got a guest coming up that I've interviewed about, like, good daughtering And, like, I think especially the women listening to this can understand, like, you're like, taking on this stuff. Like, I have family members who are like, oh, do you want grandmas this and great grandparents this? It's like, oh my god, this is so much. I don't why do I have to be responsible for carrying on the legacy of this pot, you know, like that and it's not even, that's not even the emotional stuff. It's like, just like, but a visual of what things things are. And she said, this bag is filled with things that aren't yours, and so you have no room for new stuff. And that is like, so powerful. Like, if you're struggling to try new things, do new things, find yourself it's like, you can't, because I can't buy new a new coat. With this closet so full, I gotta get rid of some stuff, which is, which is the reason we're laughing is because we're packing, like, as we're recording this, we're packing for Europe. And I was like, it's gonna be so cold, and I love coats, and I can only bring one coat, and, like, buy another coat. I'm like, I don't need another coat. I have great coats. I can only take one. So you ultimately have to understand why you keep repacking the same thing in order to finally get a chance to make any real choices. So I love this because, like, I feel like some people think that they're self-sabotaging, or they're in the same spiral. It's like, Yeah, but you kept packing the same stuff, expecting a new result, you know. 

Brad Crowell 20:05  

Or you're carrying around old shit. 

Lesley Logan 20:06  

Yes, but, and you just keep repacking the old shit, and that's why you don't get anything new. Like, we had Brad Bisjack on, and I'm pretty sure it was in his episode we talked about, like, to get to the next level, you have to have a new backpack of stuff, you know. So anyways, like, I think there's some physical and mental unpacking a lot of us have to do if we want to be it till we see it. 

Brad Crowell 20:27  

That's episode 589, if you're wondering. Brad Bizjack, it was a fantastic episode. 

Lesley Logan 20:32  

I've stopped guessing, it's beyond. 

Brad Crowell 20:34  

Yeah, it's all right, we're at 674, not 47.

Lesley Logan 20:37  

I wish I could have kept going, guys, it would have been like this thing, if you've been a longtime listener that like, wow, she keeps doing it. But now new listeners, I used to be like, I used to just get them right. This one, that one.

Brad Crowell 20:49  

Well, I really loved when she was talking about the next step after the red shoes, where she was talking about making space for new things, like the unpacking part of it. She said, in order for you to okay, hold on, how much joy do you actually want? How much joy do you want in your life? 

Lesley Logan 21:08  

Okay, you're asking me? 

Brad Crowell 21:09  

I'm asking you, how much joy do you want?

Lesley Logan 21:11  

Like, all the joy.

Brad Crowell 21:12  

All the joy, all the joy. I want all the joy. Do you want all the joy? Of course, why would we not say I want joy. I want happiness in my life? She said, equal to the level of joy and fulfillment and peace that you want in your life, you have to be willing to go as deep internally.

Lesley Logan 21:29  

Oh, I see yes.

Brad Crowell 21:31  

So if you want massive amounts of joy, you have to be willing to go massively deep into yourself. Right? And so she was talking about unpacking and letting go. And she said, you know, when she discovered some of the things, she said letting go of those things, it wasn't like an overnight thing. And she said it was actually she had, she to go through a grieving process when she was letting go of some of the things because, you know, you've, you've embraced this worldview for your entire life. Or you were, like someone hurt, you know, you were hurt in some way by someone or something or whatever, and or something failed, and it really, you know, scarred you. You know, she said, during the process of unpacking, it actually created a lot of grief. And she said, but if you don't do it, that emotion will sneak up on you and it will come back and bite you in the ass when you don't want it to. 

Lesley Logan 22:25  

Right. You have to do it anyways. You're gonna have to do it. You may as well do it in a time when you're in control of it. 

Brad Crowell 22:30  

Yeah. I mean, it's, it's part of the process of making space for something new. And she said, if we feel trapped, how we get out of that is we release, we go deeper in and then, and then we can come out the other side. So, you know, you, if you're feeling stuck right now, it has to be looking internally, and that's gonna be how (inaudible). 

Lesley Logan 22:49  

All the work. Like, I don't want to do a little bit of work, just have a little bit of joy. That seems like an annoying amount of effort. I'd rather do a lot of work to have a lot of joy. Like that feels like I'm in it to win on that. 

Brad Crowell 22:58  

100% well stick around we'll be right back. 

Lesley Logan 23:00  

I want to go off on a tangent. 

Brad Crowell 23:01  

Just get it, go up on a tangent. 

Lesley Logan 23:02  

Okay, so, today, the day we're recording this, Margaret Margarita Margareta Magnusson died. She got people excited about or aware of something called the Swedish death cleaning. And the Swedish death cleaning is that you, you, it's a Scandinavian decluttering method that is about removing unnecessary items before you die, so that you're not leaving your fucking red shoes for someone else to back around. And the idea is, like, it's it's not supposed to be like, morbid. It's actually supposed to be like, you invite people over. They take that, you tell them the story about the things and the things that nobody wants, and you can, like, let go of and someone can take, so that when you pass, one, all those things are gone. And two, like, in your living days, tell people how important that was, or what that thing meant, or where the history of that thing was, so they can have it. And then when you pass, they don't have to clean up your crap.

Brad Crowell 23:56  

Yeah, it's Döstädning. I love it. That's actually brilliant. And as long as you're not guilt-tripping people into taking your shit, don't do that.

Lesley Logan 24:05  

Right. You know what? We all know who those people are in our lives, and we don't have to go so. 

Brad Crowell 24:08  

Yeah, it's called Döstädning, and it, you know, as it works, as long as you're not guilt tripping people into taking your shit. But there's a book about it. It's called The Gentle Art of Swedish Death Cleaning.

Lesley Logan 24:18  

Do you think if I send that to my mom, it would be considered passive aggressive or just aggressive?

Brad Crowell 24:26  

Well, I mean, wait, that she should be doing this? 

Lesley Logan 24:30  

I think that I. 

Brad Crowell 24:31  

Well, but that means that we have to go, like, everyone goes to the place and there's like a ceremony. 

Lesley Logan 24:36  

Other people go, I've already, don't I already already took what I need, but she should do it for other people.

Brad Crowell 24:41  

Yeah, no. I mean, I think this is wise. I think this, this is more of a process of actually the telling of the story and the stuff gives things meaning. Right. And so my grandfather didn't quite do it this way, but he while he was alive, he let the kids my my parent, my dad. And his siblings go through everything and get rid of it. So by the time, you know, when he did pass away, eventually, you know, the cleanup of his estate was like, it was done immediately. Everything was already ready to go. So I saw that, and that was, like, really helpful. But not gonna lie, even with being diligent, it took my parents years, years, even being diligent, right? 

Lesley Logan 25:24  

And I, he didn't do it. But I do feel like the things, some of the things we took, we got the history of it through the family members, but like, I just, this is just on the tangent of like, sharing, like, in the physical and emotional space, of like, what can we do for the people around us so that they don't feel this need to carry on? Because I do think some of the listeners, like, I have family members who, like, won't let go of stuff, because, like, that was my like, I feel I've even heard your friend go, that's great grandpa's stuff. And it's like, holy shit. We are going to need bigger homes, not just like, physically, but. 

Brad Crowell 25:54  

Like, we're making our own museums.

Lesley Logan 25:56  

Mentally, because, like, you, you it's hard. It's just anyways, we all want to be better people want to have joy in sometimes we're don't. We don't have that because we got a bunch of other people's stuff in the way. That's all. Anyways, it's just another way of thinking about it.

Brad Crowell 26:08  

Wait one, one less way to be trapped. Yeah, because, because trapped now, now I'm see because trapped is two things. You can be trapped by keeping the stuff yourself. You can also be trapped if someone dies and leaves you a bunch of shit you got to deal with. So, right? You know, like, it's, it's definitely challenging so.

Lesley Logan 26:25  

And it's, and when they, and if they do those red shoes she's talking about, I'm just thinking about like, when people die suddenly, or they die and there's unanswered emotional like problems and stuff like, you then feel like you have to protect the red shoes. And so I just think that there's some things we could be doing as we be it until we see it, as we change our lives, become better than the people like we once were to get 1% better, whatever those things are. How can we be making it so that the people around us don't carry our fucking red shoes? I don't want anyone carrying I mean, you might like them, but I don't want anyone have it feel like they have to. 

Brad Crowell 26:54  

All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into those Be It Action Items with Shari Teigman. 

Brad Crowell 27:01  

Welcome back. All right, let's talk about the Be It Action Items that you have with your convo with Shari Teigman. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away? She said, when it comes to being trapped and going deeper and trying to figure that out, how do we do that? She said, however, you need to. Punch it out. Punch a pillow. Cry in a pillow, write it out, burn it out, whatever your ritual needs to be, dance it out. Bang it out. She explains that we have to tell the truth to ourselves. We cannot pretend that like only having the highlight reel and then that that's okay and it's gonna allow us to feel like a human, because otherwise it will still sneak up on you, right? If we don't allow emotion, the emotion will sneak up on you when you don't want it. And she said, emotion is just emotion. It's not good or bad. 

Lesley Logan 27:44  

This goes back to Dr. Bender, like her second interview. She's like, we always are trying to figure out the reason why we feel an emotion. But she's like, just let it go by. Sometimes it's just emotion your body wants to feel. It has nothing to do with what you're thinking about right now. 

Brad Crowell 27:55  

Yeah, she said she views this active emotional release as essential. Basically, she said, I'm going to grieve, because it's part of my process of making space for something new. So, yeah, I thought that was great. I mean, I think especially acknowledging that emotion is just emotion. It's not good or bad. Don't judge yourself, you know. I mean, don't maybe don't break a window. But, like, you know, if you have to be loud, be loud. It's okay. 

Lesley Logan 28:21  

When I leave breath work for the Agency members, I'm like, you could laugh, you could cry, you could do you could want to, like, scream into a pillow. You could need to get up and dance. You can need to shake your hands like you don't need to figure out why you need to do that. Just do the thing because it doesn't like, it's just, we're we're trying to release what's inside you. We don't have to figure out why we need to release what's inside you. Just let it go. Okay. 

Brad Crowell 28:39  

Yeah. What about you? 

Lesley Logan 28:40  

So many good so many good things. But this is brilliant. She said, clean up the internal contradictions, which, by the way, as an ADHD person, this is like, I'm a walking internal contradiction. But if you don't understand, I like people, I want to be away from them. She's, she's like, you're, she said, if you're saying, you want to have a bigger life, but you keep making micro choices. You're lying to your nervous system, because you're answering the old version of yourself like you're not actually doing the work you're not doing the be it till you see it. This is basically what you're doing. So she said, the identity you want for the life you you want is going to require align actions to that. So what you want, you have to make align actions for that. It sounds common sensical, but look at the internal contradictions you're doing. What are you doing that's not necessarily aligned? So she advises to choose your actions intentionally instead of making excuses. And I think this is, you know, really important. I remember, like trying to figure out, like, an excuse for why I was late for things or not able to do stuff. And honestly, it's so much easier to go I just didn't do it. I screwed up, like, instead of I think it's a lot easier, and you can just move on and go from there. So I agree with that. And then she said, once you clean all this up, the questions you ask will become much more clear and much more honest, and then you'll get those like, answers that align with that. So she this is just such a good episode. You have to listen to the whole thing. So if you haven't, got to go listen to it, because we cannot do Shari Teigman the way Shari Teigman does Shari Teigman. You got to listen to her. And she does have a journal coming out, The Maverick Way: A Field Guide to Coming Undone on Purpose. And you can go follow her on Instagram. We have all that in there. Shari Teigman. So anyways, I love it. I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 30:18  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 30:19  

Hey, go listen to the episode. Share it with a girlfriend who needs to hear it. Share it with a friend who's carrying around someone else's red shoes. And maybe that becomes the thing like, sounds like you got some red shoes of somebody's, I don't know, share it with a friend, because this is how the podcast continues to grow. Gets even better guests. 

Brad Crowell 30:35  

Even better. 

Lesley Logan 30:35  

I'm so excited for where we're growing, and the people that we've been able to get on. The lineup that you've got coming up is some really fun, amazing things. So go, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 30:44  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 30:45  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 31:27  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 31:32  

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Brad Crowell 31:37  

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Lesley Logan 31:44  

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Brad Crowell 31:47  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Brad Crowell 32:00  

Hi, okey doke. Episode 647. 

Lesley Logan 32:06  

Wait. Say that again. 

Brad Crowell 32:09  

Episode 647 

Lesley Logan 32:10  

Say it one more time. 

Brad Crowell 32:12  

Episode 647

Lesley Logan 32:13  

674 

Brad Crowell 32:16  

Episode 674 

Lesley Logan 32:18  

Whoa, dyslexic. Hey, keepsake. How about keepsake on that one. 

Lesley Logan 32:24  

Episode 674, Shari Teigman. 

Lesley Logan 32:27  

Just so we are all clear, because I need evidence and receipts. My husband, two days in a row has just that dyslexic marking these dates down.

Brad Crowell 32:36  

Any fucking way. Let's move on. All right. 674, Shari Teigman. Bayon, thank you. Please don't bark. 

Brad Crowell 32:45  

Stan Kenton wrote, wrote something called the wow. My my middle school no high school jazz band. My high school jazz band actually played from start to finish, pausing. Welcome back.

Lesley Logan 33:06  

I'm here. 

Brad Crowell 33:07  

Welcome back. 

Lesley Logan 33:08  

So Walpurgis, night. 

Brad Crowell 33:10  

Walpurgis. 

Lesley Logan 33:11  

Walpurgis.