Brad Crowell and guest co-host, author and actor Clare Solly, dive into key insights from Mark Collins’ discussion about releasing imposter syndrome and living a more authentic life. They reflect on how “I Am” statements can ground your identity beyond job titles and external labels. Tune in for practical tips on shifting from life “management” to true mastery, plus why believing in who you are transforms both your personal and professional worlds.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Why success can’t erase imposter syndrome.
• Shifting from habit-based life “management” to true life “mastery”.
• The power of “I Am” statements for personal identity.
• How daily affirmations spark clarity.
• Seeing yourself as a hero instead of relying on external validation.

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• Mark Collins Website - https://www.freedom-for-life.net
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Brad Crowell 0:00  

We talk about "I Help" statements a lot when we're coaching our clients because you got this elevator pitch of what you say to someone else, but we never talk about the elevator pitch that we say to ourselves.

Lesley Logan 0:10  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Brad Crowell 0:54  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap. Brad here again today with a very special guest of ours, who, if you've been listening over the last couple of weeks, she's joined us, stepping in for Lesley, Clare Solly. Clare is one of Lesley's, yeah, welcome back. Clare is one of Lesley's besties. They go way back to just after college they got a chance to work together, and they started a shoe company together then you guys had a blog together when you were living across the country, all the things. I mean, I don't know, I feel like I might have, you might have been one of the first people I was introduced to when I ever met Lesley, even though I think you were already in New York at that point. 

Clare Solly 1:27  

Yeah, I was, yeah, yeah. 

Brad Crowell 1:29  

Pretty cool. I think it's amazing. So basically, Clare is an actress, actor. She's an author. She's Lesley's slingshot friend from New York City all the way back in episode 19, and today I have the pleasure of having Clare join me to talk about Mark Collins. We're going to dig into that transformative convo that Lesley had with Mark on our last episode. If you have not yet listened to that, feel free to pause us now go back and listen to that. And actually you might want to listen to it twice. It was like nuggets of wisdom, like boom, boom, boom, kept coming and to the point where I was like, can I just rewind 30 seconds and let him say that again and rewind 30 seconds, I mean, it was pretty.

Clare Solly 2:06  

I rewound. Get your finger ready on the rewind button.

Brad Crowell 2:10  

Well, Clare, tell us about today. 

Clare Solly 2:12  

Today is January 23rd and I'm very excited about this one. It is National Clashing Clothes Day. 

Brad Crowell 2:20  

I'm so excited. I love that. Hold on. I was just reaching for something that I could clash with. So I want to put on my blue and green hat at the same time.

Clare Solly 2:27  

Although, you know, that's complimentary, but, oh, but yes, but, yeah, fantastic, beautiful. I tell everyone sometimes I dress like a kindergartner because I'm like, I want to wear that shirt and these shoes and those pants and this too, too. And sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. So National Clashing Clothes Day is the fourth Thursday of January every year, mark it in you calendars and people are encouraged to dress in head to toe clashing clothes anything neutral, like a black, a gray, a white, not allowed today. 

Brad Crowell 3:00  

Yeah, no dice. That's a no go. 

Clare Solly 3:03  

No go. 

Brad Crowell 3:04  

Burn it.

Clare Solly 3:04  

Have fun with your clothes. Make people ask questions. Why not? And mix colors, prints, textiles, be clashtastic. Go for it. 

Brad Crowell 3:13  

Clashtastic. I love it. Well, y'all, why don't you be clashtastic with us in Cambodia, we're going back in just a few weeks. We'll be there at end of February. We've got to retreat, but we have another one coming up in October of this year. And I think that we just had an offer that may be coming to a close right now or just closed, but if you hit me up and you say, hey, I just heard this on the pod, can I make sure to get that offer? It's a big offer. Okay? It's basically the early bird special, and only the people on the waitlist got that offer. If you're not on the waitlist and you want to go see what we're talking about here, go to crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com. Check out the dates for October. Go take a quick look and see if that offer is still happening. If not, just just ping me and I will sort it out for you. But it has to be like right after this episode comes out, if you're listening this six months from now, I can't honor that, so I love you very much. I'm trying to take care of you. Go check it out. crowsnestretreats.com. Lesley and I will take you to our house and our favorite place in the world. Siem Reap, Cambodia. 

Lesley also has been working super diligently on the flash cards accessories deck, the sixth deck in the series. Get on the waitlist for that, go to opc.me/flashcardwaitlist, so that you can get 30% off offer, because only the people on the waitlist get that. Go to opc.me/flashcardwaitlist. If you are feeling stuck in your Pilates business, I want you to join me for a free Profitable Pilates Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator webinar. Okay, if you're feeling.

Clare Solly 4:40  

And why would you not hang out with Brad for free?

Brad Crowell 4:42  

Yeah come hang out. Come hang out. It will be so fun. We were feeling like, how come I'm not making enough money, or I'm barely making enough money? How come I'm not getting any new clients, but I need new clients? Or I don't know what to do for my social media or my newsletters or any of that kind of stuff. Lesley and I have been able to coach more than 2500 businesses over the past seven years, and we've boiled it down to three massive secrets that I will be sharing with you for free on this webinar. So go to prfit.biz/accelerator. That's profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator. So come hang out with us. It's going to be a blast. But before we get into this convo that Lesley had with Mark Collins, we have an audience question. And the audience question is Lesley asking Clare directly, do you do a handwritten or do you do a digital calendar? Love Lesley.

Clare Solly 5:58  

It feels crazy that this question was being asked of me by day, I daylight as an executive assistant, so my life is a calendar. 

Brad Crowell 6:06  

Don't tell your boss, that's your daylighting. 

Clare Solly 6:09  

Yeah, huh? 

Brad Crowell 6:10  

So don't tell your boss, it's only daylighting.

Clare Solly 6:12  

Oh, yeah, I'm in it to win it. I'm here for you always. But yeah, I mean, I work on a calendar, so I am 100% digital, almost to my detriment, because among the many things I do, I run a couple of theater companies. And so it's like, there's a theater company calendar and Clare Solly's calendar. And then I have a Bookstagram calendar, rewind to the last episode recap if you want to talk about Bookstagram. 

Brad Crowell 6:35  

Oh yeah. 

Clare Solly 6:36  

And then I have, like, my personal whatever calendar, and every grand once in a while I catch myself up and I don't cross calendars, but yeah, thank goodness that they all integrate these days and then I'm good at color coding. 

Brad Crowell 6:48  

You're right on the money there. The color coding is the secret because we live exactly the same way. Because, I've got my personal calendar, then I have my work calendar, then I have a Brad and Lesley shared personal calendar, then a Brad and Lesley shared work calendar, and then Lesley has her personal calendar and her work calendar, right? And we are sharing two of those, but we've got all of it, and that's just our stuff. Then we have all the things that we do with a company. We've got this calendar and that calendar and those you know, when we brought on our executive assistants, the first thing we had to do was debrief why it's such a crazy (inaudible) thing, but it's a system that works, and color coding is the secret. I can visually just identify what's happening in my day, generally. That's for the win. But that wasn't the question, do you do a handwritten calendar? 

Clare Solly 7:37  

I have. Above my desk at home, I have a handwritten calendar. 

Brad Crowell 7:42  

Okay. 

Clare Solly 7:43  

That I put, it's funny, I put anything I have that's fun on. So when I'm at work, I can look up and be like, oh, I'm traveling in 10 days, or oh, I have theater tickets next week. 

Brad Crowell 7:56  

Nice. 

Clare Solly 7:57  

So the handwritten calendar is for the fun stuff (inaudible). 

Brad Crowell 7:59  

Special occasions. (inaudible). That's a great idea. 

Clare Solly 8:03  

Or both. 

Brad Crowell 8:04  

Yeah, how about that? Both. I think that's great. Okay, amazing. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about Mark Collins. 

Okay, let's talk about Mark Collins. Mark is the founder of Freedom for Life and author of Life Mastery: Living Life by Design, Not by Default. It's a leadership guide that empowers individuals to unlock their true potential with a mission to help people overcome imposter syndrome and align with their authentic selves. Mark offers actionable strategies for mastering thoughts, words and actions. Inspired by his own transformative journey, he equips clients to live with intentionality. I think it's amazing.

Clare Solly 8:43  

I love that. Such a good word, intentionality. I loved everything he said in this. Again, it's the gift that keeps on giving. I'm gonna go listen to it again, like I'm gonna bookmark it and listen to it when I'm feeling, you know, down and out. But I loved that he talked about imposter syndrome and identity sabotage and that you can't success away imposter syndrome or anxiety, or any of those other things that we do. It was one of those, yeah, of course, duh. But also, like brain explode moments. And he emphasized that success is amazing, but it's a poor substitute for identity. You are not your success. It's what comes from you being you. I love that. Rather than chasing that external validation, he encouraged us to ground ourselves in our authentic selves, and I feel like that's sort of the journey that I'm on right now. So this one rang so true to me. I was so excited that you asked me to recap them, because often I'll listen to them and I'm talking back during the recaps. I'm like, yeah, I totally agree. 

Brad Crowell 9:49  

That's awesome. 

Clare Solly 9:50  

And I'll probably listen to this recap and agree with both of us here. 

Brad Crowell 9:53  

Yeah. You're like, I agree with that point that I made. 

Clare Solly 9:56  

Yeah, yeah. And speaking of agreeing, I felt like I was kind of on the edge of my seat when Lesley asked him is imposter syndrome beneficial? And I was like and then makes fun. And I was like, wait, is that, like, maybe I'm doing this right or wrong all along? (inaudible) There's no healthy imposter syndrome, because what imposter syndrome says is I'm not qualified for where I'm at.

Brad Crowell 10:23  

Yeah, it's like this own perspective. I used to do this when I was working at the tech company. Y'all have heard me talk about this over the years that I worked for a tech company, and it was like this crazy, chaotic environment, and it was basically survival of the fittest. If you could get along and you could figure out how to get money for your project in this startup house, then you could survive. And I'm good at negotiating stressful situations that I'm also really good at operational catastrophes. When something blows up, because somehow, inevitably, it blew up all the freaking time there, I could figure out the way through. But the entire time that I was doing this really high wire rope act, the story I was telling myself is, I'm just a musician. I don't even know why I'm here. I would never get paid this if I went and worked somewhere else, so I'm gonna stay even though it wasn't that awesome. There were definitely moments of awesome, but as a whole, it was a challenging experience. But the story I told myself is I would never be hired to do this job anywhere else, and this is my opportunity to do it. So I'm just gonna do it. You know and that sucks. 

Clare Solly 11:24  

Yeah. I feel like we all sort of have a story like that too. That was me when I was in the event planning world, like I'm never gonna get this experience. I need to be here and dig in and live this life and be this person, live this life for right now. Because, you know, it's not. 

Brad Crowell 11:39  

Yeah, well, you know, I'm just theater kid, or I'm just a, I'm a trombone player. Like, what am I doing running a company, you know? And so I totally get that. What I also found amazing was his idea about success. He said for one of his clients, success was like, relief. 

Clare Solly 11:54  

Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 11:55  

That was like, whoa, is that me? Holy cow. Because you've built this expectation of success, and what does it mean to be successful? And when you close the deal, because he was a real estate guy, and he's, like, closing a multimillion dollar deal, and like, the next multi million dollar deal he does, he felt like he's just lucky to get it again. And that goes really hand in hand with that imposter syndrome. And kind of amazing. One thing that he said, that I thought was really interesting was really interesting, was he introduced this concept of Life Mastery. 

Clare Solly 12:25  

Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 12:25  

And he said, you know when you live from who you're created to be, when you know who you are, when you live from that, that is the easiest life possible. Okay? And that sounds pretty straightforward, pretty obvious, but that's like, pretty profound. He explained that you're created to be operating at your highest level. When you're not doing what you're meant to be doing, then you're not able to operate at your highest level. The reason I know this is because I built websites. I am not a developer, but could I do it? Yeah. (inaudible) But every time I would, yeah, but every time I'd have to go back and relearn what I should have already known. And like, you know, it was just always a push, always a struggle. So, like, there's the things of, can you do it? Yes. Should you be doing it? Maybe not. And I think when you're doing the can I be doing it? Yes. Should I be doing it? Yes. Now you're living in where you're meant to be, you know, and that is going to really put you in this position where you can live a life, the easiest life that you're meant to be. Things are going to feel like they're flowing. It's also going to be a lot more fun. We've talked about this a million times, if we've ever talked about it, but StrengthsFinders, CliftonStrengths now is what they call it, it allows you to identify your strengths, and when you're operating in your strengths, things feel like they flow. They feel more enjoyable. You feel like you're winning. And so when people come into our company, we have them take this quiz, and the reason we do is because it really guides us as a company to know where is this person going to succeed, and it will help them feel more fulfilled. They're going to be happier doing their job, and they're going to do their job well, because it's going to feel innate to them. That's a recipe for success there. You know, he said it contrasts with life management. And this was another interesting thing he mentioned, where he's like, you know, I've done a lot of self help things. And he said what it often becomes is this series of rules. It helps me in the change in the moment, but it doesn't help me long term, because then it becomes another rule. I have to live my life by long term, and that doesn't feel like it flows. And so I thought that was really interesting, because he said that doesn't sound like transformation or freedom, it sounds like exhaustion. And I was like, wow, that's true, because now you're living this regimented life that you have to do because this is what the thing was so just again, really fascinating stuff.

Clare Solly 14:50  

Yeah, I mean, I think you, Lesley and I, I feel like we have some version of this conversation every time we get together, the good tired versus the bad tired. You're always tired at the end of the day. Because you've had a day, but if you're doing things that fulfill you, that make you happy, and you're living your authentic life, and you're not sitting in this imposter syndrome, you're not working really hard, you're not pushing against a wall, as opposed to, like the bad tired when you're just exhausted and you're just banging your head against a wall and going in the wrong direction, working in those companies, or working in those jobs that you're not right for, you're not fulfilling, or you're sitting in imposter syndrome and you're continually trying to reach for success when you're just questioning yourself over and over and over. So I'm going to listen to this podcast, he knows so much. 

Brad Crowell 15:36  

Yeah, absolutely. Well, stick around. We'll be right back to dig into those, Be It Action Items, with Mark Collins. 

All right, welcome back. I said, with Mark Collins, I should have said, from Mark Collins, let's get into it. Let's talk about those. Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from Lesley's convo with Mark? I'll jump right in. He said hey, start with an "I Am" statement.

Clare Solly 16:00  

It's harder than you think it is. 

Brad Crowell 16:02  

Yeah, I haven't done this exercise yet, but this is really intriguing to me. An "I Am" statement, who you are, apart from your things, who you think you'll become. I used to nerd out on this kind of stuff when I was in my teens, because I used to like network as my job. I used to intentionally ask people, What do you do? What is the first thing that they always say? 

Clare Solly 16:24  

Their job. 

Brad Crowell 16:24  

Their job. 100% of the time, people would answer with their job when I ask, "What do you do?" Then the conversation would wind down. And then they would ask me, what do you do? And I'd say, I sleep a lot. And they would go, what? Because I wasn't answering with my job, right? And it was like this mental game that I used to, I used to laugh so hard about it, because I realized that that is how we define ourselves. And I thought, when I was listening to this with Mark, I thought, man, this is so poignant, because he says, when you define yourself apart from your things or your job or your work, it's going to help you determine who you are instead of what you do by who you are versus what you do, right? And then he said, once you figure out this "I Am" statement, it becomes your affirmation, right? And you're going to use it to align with who you are. And he said do the affirmations multiple times a day, because life happens multiple times a day. And I thought that was also funny. That's also true is we have these different moments of I mean, if I look at my day, I wake up and I have my morning routine that I really enjoy, right? And I do my morning routine, and that feels like a whole separate day from then I'm like, alright, now I gotta get focused. I'm gonna spend three, four hours, and then I'm gonna, like, eat my lunch, and then hopefully I can get back in the groove and have another three, four hours before the rest of the day, right? So, you know, it is funny how it breaks up into these blocks. He emphasized, the more you tell yourself the truth, the more you will see yourself show up as a hero, that you're created to be.

Clare Solly 17:53  

Loved, that. Loved that. I love that we're rebranding, or we're reusing hero. Because right now, there's so many hero movies, we're all kind of relating to that, like we all kind of put in our cape the little girl with her arms out and being Wonder Woman, you know, Wonder Woman pose that was big a couple years ago. I love this, because hero, even though it's conceptual, it's something we can all tap into. We can all make it real in our lives. We all can be a hero, and that's also something we can strive for. Like, being a hero feels like anti-imposter, right? So I just, I love. 

Brad Crowell 18:30  

That's great. That's a great way to connect the dots there. I really like that. You know, the hero is clearly confident and knows what the hell they're doing, you know, or they should, right, in the way that we envision a hero. You know, there's the anti-hero who maybe doesn't know what they're doing, but the hero, if you think of Superman, you think of the guy who knows how to solve the problem, or, you know, Batman or whatever. So, yeah, I love that. I love that. 

Clare Solly 18:53  

I also had to laugh a little bit because I knew I was coming on and doing this recap with you. And I know you and Lesley talk about being like, one woo, two woo. And I was like, this is like the scientific side of woo. 

Brad Crowell 19:05  

I knew there's a reason I connected with this guy.

Clare Solly 19:11  

I also loved the identifying moments when you are minimizing who you are, or when you're maximizing the issues and challenges that you have in your life. We all do that, like Lesley and I've talked about how we still feed drama into our lives because we knew how to deal with drama, or when you actually can do something, but yet, there's so many people around you that have done it before you or better than you, but they've paved the way. So what am I doing here? Well, I am my authentic self, and I am coming here because I have something to say, or I have a unique perspective, or I just have joy in whatever this is. So let me share with you my little corner of the world that spoke to me and I also loved the affirmations part. I loved the "I Am" statements. It was funny. As soon as I listened to it, I was like, I am, and I went right to job, right to job. And I was like, no, no. We've worked on this before, and my "I Am" statements are that I'm a creator and I'm a muse. Because I like to create things. I like to create stories. I like to create plays. I like to create environments where people find joy. And I also am a muse. I like to get together with people and talk through things and look at ideas and talk about books and pick apart things and go, how is this affecting us, and how are we putting this out into the world?

Brad Crowell 20:39  

I love it. I just decided my "I Am" statement. I, I'm creative, I am fun and I am happy. 

Clare Solly 20:45  

I love this, because that's both, you know, in his sort of trajectory, It's something you are now and it's something you can do. 

Brad Crowell 20:57  

Yeah and also, for me, it applies across what I'm passionate about, which is music, and what I do for work, which is run a company. I can be creative in music and be creative in the company, right? I can be fun in music and fun in the company, and I can be happy in music and happy in the company. When I first was talking about that, kind of had me feeling a little stuck. I like this "I Am" statement. We talk about "I Help" statements a lot when we're coaching our clients, because you got this elevator pitch of what you say to someone else, but we never talk about the elevator pitch that we say to ourselves. So I love this. 

Clare Solly 21:34  

Yeah, it's so empowering and it can change, too. Like, it can also point you in different directions.

Brad Crowell 21:40  

Yeah, he had another example. I find quality answers for every problem I walk through, or I'm going to align my words and actions with the things I am and the things that I do. So, yeah, you can use the I am statement to give yourself instruction, not just speak affirmations, so.

Clare Solly 21:58  

And align yourself with what you are created to be, like, why you're here. I love it. Love it. That's so good.

Brad Crowell 22:05  

Yeah, that's amazing. Awesome. I'm Brad Crowell. Thanks so much for joining us today.

Clare Solly 22:10  

And I'm Lesley Logan, just kidding, I'm still Clare Solly.

Brad Crowell 22:14  

Check out more from Clare and follow her Bookstagram stuff. You can find all that at claresolly.com. C-L-A-R-E-S-O-L-L-Y dot com. We are so grateful that you are here, that you take the time out of your life to listen and enjoy the interviews and then hear us kind of chat about them afterwards. How are you going to use these tips in your life today? I mean, what amazing tips? I want to know. Lesley wants to know. Ping us on IG, send us a DM, or leave a comment on YouTube or send us a text, and otherwise we will catch you on the next episode. Be It Till You See It. 

Clare Solly 22:47  

Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 22:50  

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Brad Crowell 23:33  

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Lesley Logan chats with Mark Collins, author of Life Mastery, on why success alone never silences imposter syndrome. They explore how to shift from life “management” to true life “mastery” by discovering who you really are apart from your titles and achievements. Mark reveals how reframing your identity ignites confidence and frees you from fear. If you’re ready for practical steps to live from your true worth, this episode is a must-hear.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Why success alone cannot end imposter syndrome.
• The power of forming "I am" statements for stronger identity.
• How life mastery outperforms simple habit management.
• How daily affirmations rewire thoughts.
• Practical tactics to affirm worth over old limiting labels.

Episode References/Links:

• Mark Collins Website - https://www.freedom-for-life.net
• Life Mastery - Life by Design by Mark Collins - https://a.co/d/bf0KDuo
• Mark Collins Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/FreedForLife
• Mark Collins Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_freedomforlife
• Mark Collins YouTube: https://beitpod.com/markyoutube
• Mark Collins LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/mark-collins-freedom-for-life

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Mark Collins is a personal success strategist and author of the book Life Mastery: Living Life by Design, Not by Default, known for helping business professionals and entrepreneurs unlock their “hero in hiding.” Drawing from over 500 client engagements and his own journey of overcoming imposter syndrome, Mark teaches that success alone cannot substitute for a strong sense of identity. Through his Life Mastery program—a comprehensive course rooted in practical tools and mindset shifts—he guides individuals to master their thoughts, words, and actions so they can break free from fear of failure and self-doubt. Mark’s approach centers on clarifying one’s “I am” statements, ensuring people live from who they are truly created to be, rather than from past labels or limiting beliefs. By emphasizing transformation over mere habit management, he enables clients to excel across all areas of life—professionally and personally—through genuine, identity-based change.

 

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Episode Transcript:

Mark Collins 0:00  

No, there is no healthy imposter syndrome, because at the end of the day, what imposter syndrome says is I'm not qualified for where I'm at.

Lesley Logan 0:07  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:50  

Okay, Be It babe. Here's the deal. This episode is gonna be one you listen to multiple times. I wanted to, in real time, rewind and relisten. It's so good. Our guest is Mark Collins. He's the author of Life Mastery and I really am obsessed with there's always a lot of people who want to talk about imposter syndrome, and this is the first time I've been like, yes, this guy, this guy actually really understands imposter syndrome and how to not let it master your life or take over like, he's so good, and he's got some great phrases that you will want to put on Post-Its and read every day to remind yourself how freaking amazing you are and what you're here on this planet to do. So I am just fired up. I'll also just be really honest, he's, this was the last Zoom call of a day where I started on Zoom at 6 am and I was like, okay, who am I interviewing? Oh, I'm interviewing Mark Collins. Oh, I really like this guy. The interview does not disappoint. I'm so excited. Now, I will also say this, I'm a fast talker. If you already aren't good at listening to me at 1.5 speed, good job. But you may want to slow this down to one because Mark Collins also can meet me at my speed. And so I recognize we're both fast talkers. We both recognize we're fast talkers. We could work on that. But also, I think our brains are just going a little too fast, so you might want to put us on one or point seven five. You can do that in your app. But also feel free to rewind. And then also on our website, we have the transcripts of the show, so you can also go back, read what any of the parts are that you loved. And I can't wait to hear how this helps you. Please let us know. Please tag Mark. Please tag the Be It Pod. And here is Mark Collins.

Lesley Logan 2:25  

All right, Be It babe. I am super excited because our guest today caught my attention when he talked about imposter syndrome. And you know how we can actually not deal with that, and we can redesign our life. And as many times as I talk about like we have imposter syndrome, and often it's because we're new at something, so you're gonna be an imposter. A lot of times we feel imposter syndrome when we're not new. And so I'm just excited for Mark Collins to join us today. Mark, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?

Mark Collins 2:50  

Thanks, Lesley, and thanks for the conversation. I'm excited to be here. So I was to give somebody a one-sentence scenario about what I tried to do. What I tell them is that I help people to unlock and unleash their hero in hiding in their business relationships in life. We have strategies and tools to do that, but at the end of the day, my desire is to see the best of you come out and be the person you're supposed to be in all areas.

Lesley Logan 3:13  

I love that and that one sentence is like, just really great words in there. How did you get into this? Though? I think before we get into how to unlock that and unleash that and all that stuff, what made you go down this path?

Mark Collins 3:26  

Yeah, that's a great question. You know, people ask that usually about my book Life Mastery, or the course that's titled the same as well. And I tell people this, Lesley, that I didn't do it because I thought I had great ideas for other people to live out to be able to do those things to maximize their life, or whatever the thing is that there is their goal, but it really was something I desired for myself. In walking through, you know, my own personal development and trying to succeed in business or athletics or academics, what I found was some of those things you talked about, that imposter syndrome that came along for the ride. And what I found was you can't success away fear of failure or imposter syndrome, they just come along. And so when you're at that mountain top and you've had that success, if it's a challenge that you've dealt with, and just to be honest, Lesley, I haven't met a person yet who hasn't had something apart from a transformational journey. I've and a lot of people, a lot of them have had the same issues that I had. So for me, it came from a place of finding transformational tools, being able to have more than just habits that I maintain, but a lifestyle that I could live, you know, when you do that, you want to share it with people, you know. And so it started informally and sharing with friends and having thoughts and ideas and telling them, hey, I've tried this at you and really started to formalize it in a system, instead of giving them little nuggets here and there and to say, okay, well, how do I help somebody get from A to Z, from bound to healed, or from stress to set free? And so that's where the course in the systems came from. It came from my own life first, and then the opportunity to work with so many others afterwards.

Lesley Logan 4:53  

That's so cool. You just said you can't out success your imposter syndrome. What'd you say? 

Mark Collins 4:59  

You can't success away imposter syndrome or fear or anxiety or any of the other things that we do.

Lesley Logan 5:04  

You are correct. You cannot. You're totally correct. In fact, the more you try, the more it's almost like you have more imposter syndrome or more anxiety.

Mark Collins 5:12  

Yeah. Well and the interesting thing, Lesley, is a lot of times we think you can, you know, we look for those people that are on our pedestals, whatever those are in your life, and we think, oh, he or she, they've got it all together. They can't have the issues and the struggles and things that I have, and I just need to get where they're at, and all of a sudden, I'll be that person as well. Everything will work out, won't have any anxiety, won't wake up at three in the morning like I've had in my past. And you find out that that's not the case. And it's interesting when I'm always surprised at the clients that I work with that have those levels of success, right? Their name plate's on the door. They're the person who's doing great things, but it's the person that you don't know. It's the person like I said, waking up at three in the morning. So, yeah, success is amazing. It's a poor substitute for identity, and it's never a place where you can overcome issues that are standing in the way.

Lesley Logan 6:02  

Yeah, yeah, you're so correct. First of all, I find it interesting. You said something like, we all like, okay, if I'm just like this person, then I'm going to be like this. Once I get to their level, then I'm going to feel free. And that is actually kind of the impetus of be it till you see it. Because I hate, I can't stand hearing when I have this, then I will. When this happens, then I will. It's, I don't want to wait for that to happen. A lot of those things can are like, kind of outsourced to other people. A lot of those things are like other people discovering you at the same time you're promoting it and also deciding to buy the thing that you have at the same, there's a lot of things in there. And so I'm like, how can I live like that right now? What if I was that person today? That's what be it till you see it is. And that's kind of where it came from. And so I just had to bring that up, because I was, oh, that's exactly what everyone does. Everyone was like, when I have this. I want to kind of go into, for the person who feels imposter syndrome on a regular basis, most of my listeners, hi guys, I see you. Is there any imposter syndrome that is healthy, or are there signs of imposter syndrome they may not know? Two questions there.

Mark Collins 7:06  

Yeah, that's a great couple of questions. And I think, is there imposter syndrome that is healthy? And I would, to be totally honest, and of course, I will be honest, because that's who you're clientele and the people listening want me to be. No. No, there is no healthy imposter syndrome, because at the end of the day, what imposter syndrome says is I'm not qualified for where I'm at, whether it's in your business or relationship, you're in the boardroom, you're creating something on your own, you're a creative individual, or you're just in a relationship, or you're a new parent, right? One of the moments of imposter syndrome for me was having my daughter placed into my hands when she was born, and knowing I'm not qualified. Well, unfortunately, in many cases, imposter syndrome is me saying I'm not qualified for this. Whatever it is. You know? Whatever you've got as your item, that's what it is. And the truth of the matter is, as I talk to the people that I work with, it's in the thing that we talked about, your hero in hiding. I believe everybody has a hero in hiding. You have the person you're created to be, that be it person that you're talking about, and you have the person that shows up. And it's either coming from who you're, what I say, who you're created to be, or your life has told you. Well, imposter syndrome is me looking at my past and having informed my present and creating my future and saying that, well, because I wasn't able to last time, I can't do it this time, or because I didn't succeed in that business, I won't be able to do it this time. It's those thoughts that try and sabotage you, stop you and control the outcomes that you have in your life. So is it ever positive? Absolutely not. But congratulations if you have it. Because at the end of the day, I love people who do because those are the people who are really reaching for something in their life. When I'm comfortable and I've got all the answers and everything's working and I'm not too stressed, I'm not really trying very hard, well, imposter syndrome isn't coming up because it's just me being chill, but it's in those times and places, right, that man and woman who is reaching for higher ground, they're looking for that amazing goal, those wonderful things that they want to do in their life, that it comes up. But what we try to do is help them to understand. The one thing I tell you is, you're the answer to the circumstance you're walking into. You're not the question to be figured out.

Lesley Logan 7:08  

Thank you for that. I really enjoyed that. The whole answer. I mean, it's true. When, I just had the moment of imposter syndrome earlier, before this call, and it was absolutely because I was thinking, what if this doesn't work? And I was basing it off of the things that haven't worked in the past, I totally did it. I used the past to direct the present. Instead of going actually, like, this is going to work because of all these different reasons. And also, if it doesn't work, I will absolutely take the steps to figure out why it didn't work and do it again. I know that about myself, so it's really funny how it can sneak up upon us. And it's also because I really care. I really care about what this thing is going to be and what it can do for people. So you talked about becoming a dad, but can you share any other instances where imposter syndrome kind of affected you and how you handled that?

Mark Collins 9:49  

Yeah, absolutely. In business, right? So my wife and I, we've been successful entrepreneurs, and I'm sure, like in everybody else's business, there's those times when your output of finances don't equal your income coming in the door where, you know it was a client-based business. And so your bills are static. They happen every month, whether you have clients or not, whether they make their payments or not, whether they're late or not. And so, of course, there were those circumstances where, you know clientele would dip because of the recession issues challenges with whatever, right? Everybody has challenges in their life, but the bills are still coming in. And in those places, for me, it was that point of saying, I don't know if this was the right decision. Those things, when things aren't going well, then all of a sudden you question whether you're making the right choices. And if I can unpack something really quickly. So what I tell again, like I said before, if, what I tell people is that you learn from who you're created to be or what your life has told you. Well, we all have a past and a life that's told us something, many somethings in our life, and what we talked about as a foundation of Life Mastery is starting from identity. Who you're created to be. And in that place, you start to unpack and see some things in your life. Well, this guy who's got financial challenges, right? Like with every business, it's not all roses and sunshine. And in that place, you hearken back to understand who you are. And that, for me, was a young man who was struggling in school and having challenges with mathematics, and you know, some of the things that you're doing academically well, that young man at five, six, seven, eight, nine years old, who was struggling in one of his classes. Well, there's an identity statement that comes along with your experiences. It's never just your experience, but what's the experience tells you about you? Because we all have good and bad that we walk through. But the challenge is, what does it say about you? What's the identity statement that you're taking from it? So that young man who's struggling in school, believe it or not, I don't know about the schools you went to, but the ones that I went to, they didn't look too kindly on you if you couldn't cut it academically, and certainly your friends and the people around you let you know that. Well, that young man felt like he wasn't as smart as everybody else. So fast forward. Identity statement. When you're an adult, still succeeding, still doing great things, right, got my bachelor's degree, have a successful business, but then there's a financial downturn, and what happens is those thoughts come in your head. Imposter syndrome is another form of identity sabotage. It's saying this, you're not good enough. And in that place, what do you go back to? Oh, okay, well, it's because you're not as smart as, you're not as qualified as, you're not as good as, or whatever the thing is you're telling yourself. And so for us, it's understanding. How do you unpack it so you understand the truth? See, the truth of that young man was he was temporarily academically challenged. He wasn't somebody that was defective. He wasn't somebody that wasn't as good as. Come to find out, when I went to college, I took mathematics all the way up and passed all the way through calculus, which at that time was the highest level of math you could qualify for. Well, certainly I wasn't somebody who wasn't as smart as everybody else, even though you succeed afterwards, those identity statements come along. And you know this, Lesley, right? Because you know people in your own life, or people in the TMZs and all of the people that are famous where they try and overcome who they believe they are, but the success they have, but they sabotage themselves and ruin everything.

Lesley Logan 12:54  

Yes. 

Mark Collins 12:54  

So it's always you showing up as who you are, and success, as I said before, is just a poor substitute for identity. But when you start to live from who you are instead of what your life has told you now, all of a sudden, you're unleashed into the world as a person you're created to be.

Lesley Logan 13:09  

Yeah, I want to live more like that all the time. Is that even, is that possible? Is it possible to live a life without imposter syndrome and fully as who I am and not what I, what my past is?

Mark Collins 13:21  

Yes, absolutely. 

Lesley Logan 13:23  

Is it something that takes a long time to de- as a deprogramming? How does someone kind of identify those situations, of what stories are being living themselves by? And also, it sounds like there's coping mechanisms, like, it sounds like success is a coping mechanism for the thing that they're trying to deal with.

Mark Collins 13:40  

Yeah, absolutely. And so I'll take the last one first, and what it is is really what we've all been taught, or we all have assumed, right? So whether it's media or family or experiences that we've walked through, we've all assumed that when I've, whatever, gotten that trophy or got that level of income or have that amazing car in my driveway, well now all of a sudden, everything else is gravy. Everything works out. We look at the outside of somebody without understanding the inside. And so it's not any harm or foul by anybody. It's just this is kind of the system, which is why, you know, by the way, my book is called Life Mastery: Living Life By Design, Not By Default.

Lesley Logan 14:13  

Yes.

Mark Collins 14:13  

What I tell people is that everybody I know, apart from a transformational journey, is living from default. And it's that place of understanding that if I change my outward, it'll change my inward. When the opposite is true when I change my inward, everything outside of me changes. Another way of putting it, that I tell people is when I understand who I'm created to be, my world lines up. When I don't know who I'm created to be, my world has to make up the difference, and so I have to succeed to feel worthy. I have to have a relationship to feel loved. I have to have income to feel like I'm a person of value. (inaudible)

Lesley Logan 14:46  

I would have to rewind what you just said, because you just said something the way that we are wanting the world to see us like if we're waiting for the world to (inaudible) in us, that's, that is, I think, how a lot of people are feeling right now, like I've had so many people who are reacting to so many different things that are outside of their control, and they're like, this is gonna affect me this way, and this is gonna affect me this way. And I think that's human nature. But what you just said that if we actually come from ourselves, then we don't feel that way, don't fall out of that control. Am I right?

Mark Collins 15:15  

Exactly. So if I don't understand who I'm created, if I don't understand my identity, then my world has to make up the difference.

Lesley Logan 15:21  

Yes. 

Mark Collins 15:22  

And it is that place of default, which is what we've always been shown. It's what is highlighted on social media. And you know, I mean, there's no harm or foul in any of it, and certainly not for us in trying to use it. But what we find, as you found as well, and I know in my life also is it doesn't work. Success is great, right? But at the end of the day, if success is all I have, then it's empty when I get there.

Lesley Logan 15:43  

Yeah. 

Mark Collins 15:43  

And it lasts for about 10 minutes and then I have to do it again. 

Lesley Logan 15:46  

Yeah. 

Mark Collins 15:46  

I think of a client of mine who had and is having multimillion-dollar transactions in the real estate and business development field. And for him, it was that thing where success was a relief, it wasn't a celebration. Because again, those thought patterns, the imposter syndrome, the fear of failure, those things that come along with it, really, every success was just a momentary ability to prove that you weren't somebody who was going to fail at it. The problem is it never changes you. It just gives you a momentary satisfaction that you have to repeat over and over again, the hamster wheel of success. And so if I could talk to your first question, can you get over imposter syndrome? Can it be something that you don't struggle with? Absolutely. That's actually the goal that we have in our course. A lot of the systems that we use are to give you the transformation. And I make the designation of change versus transformation.

Lesley Logan 15:46  

Okay. 

Mark Collins 15:46  

Because when I was trying to figure it out my own life, trying to become the person, right, that man on the inside that I believed I could be, that wasn't always showing up, and I didn't plan on being the guy that was stressed out, sweating through my pajamas at three in the morning. It was just part of the anxiety and issues that came along with it. But I always believed there was somebody more. Tried personal development in a lot of ways and the problem with many of the programs that I did, they all give you results, and they all have benefits. The challenge is that many of them give you habits to manage your life, manage your anxiety, anger management. Say these mantras, bludgeon your thoughts over until they come into alignment with what you want to be. The problem is they never work. And here's the reason why, Lesley, because the habit I use to get there is the habit I have to maintain to stay there. And that doesn't sound like transformation or freedom. What it sounds like is exhaustion, because I don't believe that we have to maintain habits to again, bludgeon my thoughts into aligning with what I'm trying to believe I am. But what I do believe is, when you live from who you're created tobe, when you know who you are, then that's the easiest life possible. What I tell people is this, it's the easiest life ever living from a place of life mastery, because it's literally me just living from who I'm created to be at the highest level I'm created for in every area of life. What's exhausting is life management, which is me trying to attack my thoughts when they happen. It's that life by default, right? It's trying to attack them when they happen, expect that they'll always be there, you know, even to the point where I had this conversation with somebody who was eight or nine figure, multimillionaire, amazing person, and he said this. He said, with every business transaction, fear of failure comes in, and I have to wrestle with it. He says I guess that's just part of the process. It just drove me crazy, because the truth of the matter is that we're not meant to deal with fear of failure, and again, if you understand who you're created to be and live from that place, it's the easiest thing. I don't have to measure up to be who I am. I don't have to prove myself. I don't have to accomplish things to be who I am. I actually have accomplishment because of who I am, not to prove it. And in those places, you can have tools and strategies. We can talk about some of them, but the truth of the matter is, there's a better life.

Lesley Logan 18:41  

Okay, so I wanted to go into, I mean, I got really intrigued with Life Mastery and you kind of covered that a little bit, but I wanted to go into a couple more stories, because I think, I know my listeners, they see themselves in other people. And some of the things you brought up, I've seen myself, and I'm like, oh yeah, I definitely have been life managing. I want to life master. This sounds so much more fun. You've coached over 500 people, so I feel like you have to have a couple other transformative stories for us to hear about.

Mark Collins 19:05  

Yeah, absolutely. I think of a young man who highly successful in business, working within the government, and he was doing great in his job. The problem is he wasn't showing up at home. And so here's the interesting thing that you and I know, Lesley, it's that we think we can compartmentalize our emotions. And when I have stress at work, man, I'll just compartmentalize it. When I get home, I can be that bubbly personality that I'm supposed to be. The only person who thinks that is the person who's trying to do it. All the rest of us realize that. And so for this guy, he was having success in business, but with him again, living from who you're created to be or what your past has told you. For him, it was having a past that told him that relationships aren't safe. I can't trust other people, which is fine when you're single, but when you're married, it really doesn't lead to a great relationship.

Lesley Logan 19:46  

I'm like surprised he got married.

Mark Collins 19:47  

Yeah, well, you know, you do these things that you believe you're supposed to do, and it's the things that you're trying to do, and you, even in business, the interesting thing is, with people who are highly successful, the people I work with want more, they just don't know how to get there. They're like, this can't be everything. But the challenge is, so even in relationships, specifically, he wanted more in his relationship, he just didn't know how to get there. And so part of it was unpacking some of those lies and the issues that you've had of not being able to trust and therefore not being able to give, and in that place, showing up as a provider in his household, but not engaging emotionally, relationally or substantially within his household, it's that person you talk to which you can't really read, you can't really understand. And so for him, it was unpacking those things. It's starting to understand when I can show up as who I am. Well, I tell people this Lesley, when I understand who I'm created to be, my wife doesn't have to make up the difference. When I don't understand my identity, she does, and it's in every relationship, in all times, which means we need to be good, for me to be good, and there can't be stressor issues or challenges. I can't feel, you know? We can't have a hard conversation, because that could affect me, right? It's in business as well, in boardrooms and relationships with superiors and people that you have overseeing or business and trying to deal with clients the offense of other people in relationships can undermine you when you don't know who you are, when I know who I am, then I don't need you to prove it to me.

Lesley Logan 21:09  

Yeah. 

Mark Collins 21:10  

And so for him, it was that place of being able to say, No, there's whatever the relationship is, I'm a person of worth and value. And in that place, you can give more of who you are when you're not worried about the results.

Lesley Logan 21:24  

I, there's so many good things in there. I think that, especially the couple thing like though, we have to be good for me to be good. Embarrassingly, I'm going to admit you guys, I have been binging out on some dating shows because they're not stressful for me. I'm not dating. I love my husband. We're good and we have a really lovely, healthy relationship. I don't need him to be good for me to be good.

Mark Collins 21:44  

That's awesome. 

Lesley Logan 21:45  

But what you just said there, I watched and I'm like, oh, that's how I can tell who's gonna make it and who's not. Because I'm like, that person needs this person to complete them, and these people are just awesome on their own. You can see it, right? So I agree with everything you're saying there. I want to talk to the person who's kind of just beginning to recognize their battles with imposter syndrome. I think that a lot of people can get pretty far in life just dealing with it. Because, you know, especially if you put yourself in the right place, like you get a job, you do the thing, you can kind of not skate through because it's not going to be fun, but they're just beginning to deal with it, and now they're feeling it. And once you feel it, it's kind of hard to not feel it anymore. Is there anything that's in your book, or any tools that you have that could help them start their journey to the Life Mastery that you've been talking about?

Mark Collins 22:27  

Yeah, I love that. So the book is a mirror of my course called Life Mastery. And so the tools are in bulk. What I tell people about my book is it, I call it the Quick Start Guide to Life Mastery. So where the course is all the bells and whistles, the one-on-one coaching, and some of the other things that we have, you're able to take some nuggets in each of the chapters of the book and apply them. And what I tell people is, you can read something today, apply it this week, and find transformation this month. And so in that area, it all starts with this, Lesley, it starts with identity, who you're created to be. And so very early on, we're going to start to unpack understanding who are you apart from your things. And those things that we're talking about is your position, it's your title, it's your income, it's your possessions, it's the things that we believe make us we don't really say that they do until they're taken away. And all of a sudden it's, oh, okay, I lost my job, or my business is failing, or whatever the thing is, right? In many times we think that because I am okay on the outside, I'm okay on the inside, like I said. So the very first thing we do is say, okay, well, let's take away all of that and find out what's left, your character, your value, your worth. And for us, we tell people to write an "I Am" statement. Statement starts with "I am" everything else you fill in the blank. I am a person of character and worth. I'm a person of strength and value. I'm a person who finds answers to challenges. I'm a person who overcomes every problem that I face, or whatever the things are that are yours. Those are some of mine. It's the person that you are showing up. As I told you earlier, the thing I said was, you're the answer to the circumstance you're walking into. You're not the question to be figured out. When I understand who I am, I realize I'm the answer, which means that I'm fully capable in every circumstance. Doesn't mean every circumstance is amazing. Doesn't mean I have answers to every question that's going to come up. It means that I'm confident that I'm able and fully able to do everything I need to become and create a positive outcome to that situation.

Lesley Logan 24:13  

Oh my God, Mark. Oh my God. I want a thousand Post-Its, put "I Am" statements all over my office because I just want to see them all, and I want to read the transcripts of my own podcast, because you have way too many good quotes in there. You have such good things for like, there's a nugget for every person who's listening. You guys, you can rewind this and listen again. There's just so many good little nuggets you can chew on and think about. So thank you for that.

Mark Collins 24:39  

Absolutely. So what's the outcome of that when I start to show up and start to believe I'm that person, what people don't realize is not just this cool mindset hack and this positive affirmation that I'm telling myself when I'm speaking from the truth of who I am. Then now, all of a sudden, we could get to the neuroscience of it, and I don't need to. I'm a little bit nerdy sometimes. But here's the truth of the matter. Or I tell people this, and it's one of the strategies we use as well, which is mastering your thoughts. I tell them, Lesley, who you think you are, you'll become. And so what happens is, when I come in as the person who's the answer to the circumstance, not the question to be figured out. Now all of a sudden you have those empowering emotions like confidence and assurance and all the things that will bring answers. And so cognitively, you start to get answers. You start to find ideas. You start to get these solutions that may happen and the things you can do, and strategies and ways to navigate and to do those things. When you come as a person who's like, I don't know what's going to happen here. I'm not sure what's going to happen. Oh, this is a huge problem. I don't know how we're going to. Now, all of a sudden, you get disempowering emotions like anxiety and fear and worry and stress. And again, speaking about neuroplasticity, you have those chemicals that come into your body. You know, it's the fight or flight or freeze scenario where you're like, okay, well, stress happens. Or when I was walking through my Life Mastery journey, early on, anger would come up because, you know, oh, I can't believe whatever the things that are happening, none of them is leading you towards solutions. All of them are focusing on a problem. But again, when you show up as you understand that you're the answer. Now, biochemically, neurologically, you actually have answers. So it's not just some fluff and some pat on your back mindset information. It's actually showing up and giving yourself the best capability to be the best you in all circumstances.

Lesley Logan 26:19  

Yes, yes. That is so good. I mean, like, just even the idea of coming into the room knowing who you are, versus being a question to be solved, you guys, that's being it till you see it. Coming into the room as, like, that's just what it is.

Mark Collins 26:32  

Exactly. 

Lesley Logan 26:33  

This is amazing. This is so good. Because I think I get really good at catching the imposter syndrome when it's happening, you know, like, I'm like, oh, I'm feeling the fear. This is a worry. This is me upper limiting. I'm sabotaging this right now. I actually know the answer. I kind of like talk myself through it, and I have told myself that that is fine and normal and wonderful. Am I wrong? And is overcoming imposter syndrome mean I don't even have the moments like that or that I actually recognize them and understand them to be false and can move forward with what I know?

Mark Collins 27:02  

That is a huge victory. That's a huge victory. So, so if you were to look back on our lives right, yourself, myself, anybody who's listening or watching, there's a time when that wasn't happening, there's a time when you would spiral into negativity and worry and stress and whatever the things are. So I tell people this Life Mastery isn't a moment. It's a journey, but it's a journey that has moments, and so in those times like that, I would invite my people to invest in is recognize those moments and celebrate the fact that, wow, I'm changing, I'm transforming, I'm growing. And it's those times when you recognize it, where you're like, what I tell people is this, it's not that negative emotions aren't happening or those thoughts won't come in, but they have no place to land, and they don't get to manipulate your life anymore. That's a huge victory. And then they'll become far and far in between, and then you'll find there's greater and greater levels of stress and challenge you can walk into without even having them show up, and you find out about it afterwards, you're like, I just locked into what I needed to do and got this thing done. I didn't even think about it. So it comes in stages, but every one of them is a celebration, because every one of them is, you know, Lesley or Mark or whoever the person is listening, it's you, transforming and changing, becoming that person. Again, that hero in hiding, showing up.

Lesley Logan 28:13  

Oh, I love that. Thank you for that compliment. Now I'm doing a great job and.

Mark Collins 28:17  

You are, though. That's amazing.

Lesley Logan 28:19  

Yeah, yeah, no. And I also like, what's really cool is they are fewer and farther. They don't happen next to each other, which is really great. And when they do, it's usually the same one twice. I was like, okay, hold on. You didn't really stop and think about that. Yes, listen, I have lots of conversations with myself. I'm an Aquarius. We're in our head a lot. You are a wealth of knowledge. I feel like we could all take weekend courses, but we're gonna take a brief break and find out how we can take your course, read your amazing book and learn more from you.

Lesley Logan 28:45  

All right, Mark, so you said you got a book, and a course, they kind of go together, but I can read the book if I'm wanting to do the light version, or if I need to go all in. Tell me more about where I can find these things and which one I need.

Mark Collins 28:56  

Yeah, absolutely. So first off, where can you find them? I try and be a one-stop shop. So everything is on my website, which is freedom-for-life.net freedom-for-life.net. What's the difference between the two? Well, there's those folks who are like myself, and maybe you, Lesley, you seem to be that type that you know I don't want. I don't want the appetizer. I want the whole meal. I want that one-on-one coaching. I want everything so that I know I have those things, right? It's the all in one process. So that's the course. The course has all of those in there. But the book has value, and it has value in that those folks who are like, I want to find some nuggets. I want to do some things that are really changing my life. I want to engage in this. I really don't know where to start. The book is a great way to do that. I have it as a eBook version on my website, and the reason for that is, I have hard copy. You can get those at Amazon, but I love the fact that you can carry it around on your phone, because it's an eBook. So you can have it anywhere that you're at, so at any time you have so I know you're working with, you're having a lot of business professionals that don't have a lot of time. You always have it available.

Lesley Logan 29:54  

That's cool. I like what you even said about the book. You can learn something today, use it this week and transform in a month, or I'm misquoting you, but that's what it felt like, and I experienced in the month and I actually think that that's really cool. And so if even people are like, I'm not sure I can trust myself, I think you could start there, and then you can always go to the course. You can do whatever you want, guys like, whatever you've been called to. But I really like this. And also, thanks for having a one-stop shop. Makes it really easy on where everyone can click. It's in the show notes, guys. 

Lesley Logan 30:18  

All right, you have literally given so much. I think there's so many different parts we can go back and re-listen, but, we cannot end without our bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted steps to be it till you see it. What do you have for us?

Mark Collins 30:32  

Yeah, so the first thing is the one that we talked about. It the "I Am" statement, do not move past that until you do that. Anything you do to try and create mantras and things that you tell yourself, affirmations, if they're not tied to who you are, then they're really you becoming an imitation of somebody else. So start with that "I Am" statement, who you are, apart from your things. The reason why that's important is one of our, we have a three-step transformational process mastering your thoughts, words and actions. I'll unpack thoughts really quickly, and that is this, who you think you are, you'll become. You know, Lesley, you're as successful as you are because you believed at some level you'd be that person someday. Well, for all of us here, you're not going to be that person you're created to be in every area until you believe it, until you think it. And so that starts with thoughts. Well, what do those thoughts do? They allow you to have actions towards the person you're created to be. What thoughts should you align with? Well, start with your "I Am" statement. I do affirmations, and I tell everybody to do affirmations multiple times a day, because life happens multiple times a day. Thoughts happen multiple times a day. And so I remind myself of who I'm created to be with my "I Am" statement, again, that's the affirmation you're going to use aligned with who you are. The second thing, and this will be the last for us right now, what are the words that you're saying? Interesting things about vocalization and words, they do two things. They confirm who you believe you are, and they give you instructions to live out. Cognitively, your brain listens to what you're saying, and it finds ways of aligning with that. So when you're minimizing who you are, when you're maximizing the issues and challenges in your life, you're focusing on the things you can't control and the ones that hold you back. When I continue to speak towards the things that I am and who I am, and those same vocalizations are in the things that I'm going to do. I am a person of solutions and answers. I find quality answers for every problem that I walk through. You're going to give yourself instructions to live them out. They align with your thoughts, align with who you're created to be. Your "I Am" statement, and now that man or woman starts to show up in every area of your life. What's your "I Am" statement? What are you telling yourself, your thoughts are either aligning with who you're created to be, or they're lying to you, and it's the same with your words. What actions are you giving yourself to live out? What confirmation have you given of who you believe you are? They're either aligned with your "I Am" statement and who you're created to be, or they're lying to you. The more you tell yourself the truth, the more you see yourself show up as a hero that you're created to be.

Lesley Logan 32:51  

Oh, my freaking goodness, so good. I love all these I'm really into it. We just had someone, I just interviewed who actually was talking about, we have to redefine words we're saying to ourselves, because oftentimes we'll say something, it's like rephrase it or redefine it, because the words you say matter and they make a big difference. So this is a double dose. It's a sign everyone that you have, that we all need to be doing this.

Lesley Logan 33:13  

So Mark Collins, thank you so much. You guys, the book is Life Mastery. So is the course. Please take a look at his amazing work, re-listen to this. And I think we all have a friend who needs to hear this. I think we all do. I already can't wait for Brad to hear it. So please share this with a friend, because and only will that change their life. And here's the thing, when your friends' lives change, and they start to be more positive and they don't have imposter syndrome, you do too. We are the average of people we hang out with, so it's really important that we help other people be it till they see it. So thank you all so very much, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Bye.

Lesley Logan 33:48  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 34:30  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 34:35  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 34:39  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 34:47  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 34:50  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

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Lesley Logan highlights the transformative power of gratitude, sharing her own win of overcoming a nighttime driving challenge with the support of loved ones. She celebrates community wins that embody resilience and progress, from tackling business milestones to finding joy in personal achievements. This episode is a heartfelt reminder that leaning on others and embracing gratitude can fuel perseverance and meaningful growth.

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• Christine’s creative approach to building her client base and celebrating her anniversary.
• Sonja’s big steps forward in launching her new business and staying focused.
• Lesley’s personal win of overcoming her nighttime driving challenges.
• A reminder that leaning on others can be a strength, not a weakness.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah. 

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Hello, loves. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast on a Friday. That means it's Fuck Yeah Friday and it's time to celebrate some wins. And I'm gonna be really honest, we are re-recording this. So I recorded a bunch of stuff before we left on tour, and then this one didn't work, so I am kind of winging it a little bit, and I wanted to repeat some of the stuff that I know I can repeat because I've saved it, and then I actually have to change some things, because now we're in real time with this. So first of all, you, let's be real, it can be really hard to be like, fuck yeah, it's Friday when it feels like everyday there's some more devastating news. Like, on the time that I'm recording this, Brad and I have watched all the videos, and new videos of what is going on in Los Angeles, the place we called home for 14 years, the place our friends still call home, and it's hard, right? So if you, how, like, how do you have a win when, like, you are looking at such devastation. And that comes after we were in New Orleans two days after the terrorist attack, and we live here in Las Vegas, where there was an incident, and it's like, it can just be really hard. So I just want to say, like, I never want FYF to be glib and like, not taking into account that, like, shit is happening, right? I also want to be real and say like, if you're not going through the -ish, then you must be doing things to make yourself strong, energized, generous, like you had, and only way to be generous is to have an abundance of energy, stamina, money, whatever, so that when devastation happens, you can support others without it affecting you in a way that's negative. We had someone come in into an agency group a while back to my first assistant, talking about how to advocate and how to be an advocate. And something that she said, and something that, like, has always stuck with me, is like, you can only advocate, like the, if you look at a Venn diagram, like what someone needs is one circle, what you can do is the other circle. And so, like, the overlap is the advocacy, right? And it's never going to be a circle on top of a circle. It's going to be, sometimes it's going to be a sliver, because you're going through your shit, and sometimes it might be like, like a crescent moon, and sometimes it might be half. But what I can say is, like, if you have the energy, strength, stamina, if you have invested in yourself and in your dreams and in your stuff, you can then have things to give to others when they're in need. It is really nice that I have some time in my schedule, because I created that a year ago, that as information about support comes up, I can share that, right? I have dedicated to have a following that I love and that I care for, and that can look to me for resources, and I can do that. And so anyways, I say all this because sometimes we're like, how, we can feel helpless. And so how can there be a win when it just feels so helpless? And sometimes there isn't anything we can do. And sometimes it's just sitting there and texting friends, like, I'm there for you. And sometimes it is offering up a room. I had a friend offer up a room, and she said, we have dogs, and if your dogs are friendly, you can come and so like, just know that, like, not everything has to be you giving up time or money or place because you might not have it, and sometimes it can just be resources. But most importantly, you can't do anything for anyone else who's going through shit if you haven't taken care of you. So anyways, to my LA people, my people who have people in LA who are going through something right now, who have your friends or your family members or friends of friends have lost everything. It can just feel heavy. And how do you start a year? How do you take action when it just feels like, what's the point? And to that, I say we gotta enter the year slowly, and we gotta figure out, like, what is it that we want more than anything and then truly stick to the values that we have when it comes to making decisions. And it's not going to be easy. No, it never has been though, never has been. It's just that, you know, some of these things haven't felt like they've come so on top of the other things, and they are feeling like that right now. And I don't, I don't have a crystal ball. I can just say that, like, what I focus on first is taking a walk every day, because walks really calm the nervous system, and I really get in touch with myself on what I need. And if I need a break, I take a break. And if I have energy to do more, I'm doing more. And it can be really easy if you were raised to be a people-pleaser or to like give more of yourself than others, to feel like you're being selfish, right, when you are taking time for you. But you know what? It's not selfish because you aren't going to be the version you want to be to others if you don't, just won't. 

Lesley Logan 5:20  

So anyways, that was a long intro. I hope it makes you think. On another win, I'll talk about something else that I'm super excited about, but I'm supposed to be remaking this one. So okay, I'm going to tell you something that inspired me from the internet, because sometimes that can be accessible. But this one is from the Female Quotient Instagram, and it said, "We're not crying. You're crying." When, I'm going to say her name incorrectly, I hope I say it as close as possible. Berru Merve Kul, a visually impaired 22-year-old woman, walked onto the stage during her graduation ceremony, the staff at the university also invited her mother, Havva.

 

Havva was presented with an honorary degree from the University of Sakarya in Turkey for reading her daughter’s lecture notes to her during her four-year course in law. She helped her with homework as well, as the university didn’t have the resources to help visually impaired students.

 

Without Havva's perseverance, her daughter's dream of becoming a lawyer may not have been realized. Bravo!" So this mother helped her daughter, who's blind, get a law degree, which is her dream, and so that mother got an honorary law degree. And you know what? Here's the deal, that really does, we can go, why didn't that school have visual, like, impairments resources? Not everyone has these things yet. Not everyone has realized that. Not everyone has done that. And so that does suck, but we can actually focus on the win in it. And that's what the point of FYFs are, is like the what's the win in this? And the win in this is what a cool thing that mom could do to support her daughter, and how cool that Turkey now has a visually impaired lawyer who can actually make change, right, who can actually affect change? I think that's really cool. So that really inspired me. 

Lesley Logan 6:55  

All right, so let me hit you up with the wins of yours that you sent in. Here we go. Christine Eschen, she's an Agency member and eLevate grad. She said celebrating my 27th wedding anniversary with my soulmate and husband today at our third annual blues party, and it was the most successful one to date. Had a client late canceled this week, and I held my boundaries, charged her and enjoyed an extra hour to myself. And I'm continually blessed by a local day spa that keeps my flyer up in front of a cookie jar for everyone to submit their info for a drawing for a private and I keep all the names for my email list. Got together this week via Zoom with my Agency family members, Heather and Kim Young and yeah. So anyways, I love that. I love look at all those wins in there. How freaking cool. Way to go, Christine, and way to just be consistent and keep showing up. And congratulations on your anniversary. 

Lesley Logan 7:41  

This next one is from Sonia Ahmed. She's an eLevate grad and an Agency member, and she wrote I got a lot ticked off, to prep me for my new biz and a new country tax biz number, finalized my logo and new business name, registered my new business name, purchased a new URL for a new biz name. Lots of other little bits, like working on Canva. It feels so good to get some focus back. I still have some way to go, and many other admin tasks, but these ones were the big ones that needed doing first before I could move on to other tasks. So, way to go, Sonia, for taking off the non-sexy stuff, and thank you for celebrating the non-sexy stuff with us so we could celebrate, like, yes, you guys, it is a win to, like, do the logistics in the business. It's not the thing that's sexy, it's not the thing that goes viral on Instagram, but it is the thing that is important in your business. 

Lesley Logan 8:24  

All right, so my win is, you guys, I drove five and a half hours at night and didn't freak out. I share that with you because I don't like to drive, and I get really stressed out. I have to get, like, a really big tunnel vision. I have a really hard time. But we, at the last day of our tour stop, Brad and I bought a car, and it's a car that I've wanted for a really long time. It is a car. It's like a dream car for me, and it's not a new car. It's a new-to-me car, it's new-to-us car, and we call her the OG and we have not had a car since 2018 and we have been kind of just waiting. So I don't, anyways, I don't have a car to, like, go, just to go get coffee, and I just take the OPC huge van to go get coffee, which means it has to have open air parking, right? All the different things. So it's not actually really easy. And then sometimes when Brad and I both need to go somewhere, like, I'm borrowing my dad's car as a 41-year-old. So at any rate, we got a car, and I was just like, let's just ship it. Like, you know, let's just ship it because it's 100 bucks in gas, it's $500 to ship, like, and also because I didn't want to drive at night by myself. But guess what? We decided to do it because one, I was so excited to see her, she's so beautiful. Second, we wanted to get her home, we have things to do. We have a reason we need a car. So I drove her. Brad drove the van. And actually, you know what? To pass the time, I just talked with my husband on the phone and our, his friends, like, through the whole drive. And so I'm calling it a win, because normally that would stress me out. I like, definitely, I will say what set me up to have a win is to have a plan of what to do in the car so that I could, like, not be distracted, because it's new. You know, when you drive a new car, you're like, where are the buttons? Second, you know, I had lean on people. My husband knows I struggled driving at night, and he made sure he was in front of me the whole time and that he, like, he was the one calling friends, so I could just answer with my little click of my air pod. And so it's a win, because I lean on people and accepted like there's just some things about me that are never gonna be amazing. I'm never gonna be an amazing nighttime driver. But I drove five hours at night. We made it home, and I washed my hair, and that's the second win. Way to go. I'm patting myself on the back. 

Lesley Logan 10:25  

So the next thing that we do in these, FYFs, if you're new to these, is, after we celebrate your wins and a win of mine, we draw an affirmation. So this is from a card deck that my photographer, Monica Linda got me like, years ago. And this, I don't even know the deck name, so I can't even give it to you. It says gratitude changes everything. Gratitude changes everything. It certainly does. You know what my therapist said to me one time? She said, gratitude and judgment can't live in the same space. They don't hold the same energy. And so if you are feeling judgmental about yourself, start naming things you're grateful for, and you can change that tune right around. So gratitude changes everything. 

Lesley Logan 11:01  

I love you guys so freaking much. I'm really excited for what this podcast has to offer this year. I'm really excited for the guests you're gonna hear, some guests I'm bringing back. And please keep leaving reviews. Please keep sharing this podcast with a friend. Please bother us and tell us how the episodes are affecting you, because that's how we pick more guests. So please do not ever think I'm so busy I can't respond. I will manage my own time. You can send me in the things that you are loving so that we can continue to support you on this journey. Because you guys, there's no crystal wand that's going to make everything beautiful and amazing tomorrow. So we're in this together, and so we want make sure this podcast is supporting you and where you're going. Love you all so much. Have an amazing day, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 11:42  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 12:24  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 12:29  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 12:34  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 12:41  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 12:44  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

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Brad Crowell and guest co-host Clare Solly reflect on insights from coach and advocate for high-performing women, Traci Peterson, in her interview about living without limiting labels. They share how to spot when you’re relying on outside validation, why community matters, and how establishing your values shapes your goals and relationships. Whether you’re a parent seeking real connections or a high achiever curious about personal growth, this conversation offers practical ways to Be It Till You See It.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Identifying when you rely on other people’s approval.
• Shifting negative labels toward strengths and gifts.
• Why setting firm boundaries and sharing values fuels growth.
• Integrating self-reflection into daily routines and family life.
• Breaking old patterns by trusting yourself over social pressures.
• How “value checks” can transform relationships and personal goals.

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• Clare Solly's Tiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@youwontbesolly
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Episode Transcript:

Clare Solly 0:00  

Yes, I am X-Y-Z and if you need like A-B-C in your life, then we're on the wrong side of the alphabet. 

Lesley Logan 0:08  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Brad Crowell 0:52  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap. Brad here again today with a very special guest stepping in for Lesley, we have Clare Solly. Yeah, welcome back, Clare. Clare is one of Lesley's best friends who has been both a guest on the pod, and she's actually hosted some of these recaps in the past. So those of you who have been listening for a long time, you probably know Clare. She's an author. She's an actor. She is Lesley's slingshot friend that goes all the way back to Episode 19. She lives in New York City, and she actually also you've been doing a whole lot of traveling this past year if I recall.

Clare Solly 1:24  

So much travel. Yeah, so much travel. I was so inspired. I think I've been to six countries this year, and then. 

Brad Crowell 1:30  

That's crazy. 

Clare Solly 1:31  

I'm actually in Connecticut right now I'm talking to you. 

Brad Crowell 1:33  

Okay, okay. I was wondering. I was like this doesn't feel like New York. Love it. Today we are going to dig into the validating convo that Lesley had with Traci Peterson in our last episode. If you have not yet listened to that, feel free, pause this, go back, take a listen. Traci is a rock star, and she's like a super cool mom, a very inflective inflection. She's looking back at her own life, analyzing it, and seeing how she can sow into her daughter differently, and I just thought that was epic. So yeah, that's worth a listen. Go back and listen to that, and then come back here to join us. But before we get into the convo with Traci, why don't you tell us about today? 

Clare Solly 2:11  

Today is January 16th and it is Natural, Natural? 

Brad Crowell 2:17  

Yeah. 

Clare Solly 2:18  

Natural and National Religious Freedom Day. National Religious Freedom Day is observed to promote the message of peace and acceptance. The day is to highlight the fact that everyone has a right to their own religious beliefs, and people can go worship however and whenever they want. And I thought this was actually very timely, because Traci talks about one of the first things she says, like right off the bat, is that you can celebrate whatever deity that supports you (inaudible) subscribes you and that's the word. 

Brad Crowell 2:48  

I think it's also important to remind ourselves that, while there are, it's probably safe to say the majority of the United States, they subscribe to Christianity in some form. I don't think that we remember that our country wasn't founded by. 

Clare Solly 3:07  

It was not. 

Brad Crowell 3:08  

By a bunch of Christians like the Pilgrims came over. They were definitely were trying to get away, and they were being persecuted, and they were Christian. The founding fathers, however, they had mix of religions, including Christianity, but also Quaker, Lutheran, Dutch Reformed and even Roman Catholic. And so when they were setting our country up, it was with this really important idea of religious freedom, and I think that's healthy for us to remind ourselves that different people believe different things, and that's okay. 

Clare Solly 3:39  

Yeah. Well and you mentioned in New York City, there's 72 different nations represented in this city, in my city, and that's fascinating. I can walk two, three blocks. It's like I'm traveling in a different country, because there are different things going on. And speaking of travel, aren't you guys traveling soon? 

Brad Crowell 3:56  

Yeah, that's right. We're actually going to be going to Cambodia here in just a few weeks, I'm so excited. I'm already getting everything ready. We've been making sure we've got the place situated. Our team is already prepping things. We're making sure that the grounds are good to go, and Lesley and I get there a few days early. So end of February, we've got a retreat at our retreat space in Cambodia, and it might feel like. 

Clare Solly 4:19  

Wish I could go.

Brad Crowell 4:20  

Well, you can, you still you can. You can. Hey and you, too, can join us. Yeah, believe it or not, you know, I know it's short notice, but there's still time if you're interested, to join us here in February. However, if that is like, clearly too soon, because it's all the way around the world and flying internationally can be challenging, join us in October. Okay? We're going to go back in October. It's going to be the middle of the month right now. There's an offer going on that you would never know about unless you were on the waitlist. So if you're not on the waitlist, just go to crowsnestretreats.com crowsnestretreats.com. Click on the October you'll see all the dates. You'll see everything that's going on there. If you have any questions about it, just reach out. It is a life changing experience. It's one of my favorite things to do. You've heard me talk about it for years on this podcast, and every single time I go, I still come back rejuvenated, just on fire to promote how epic it is over there, the people are beautiful. The food is incredible. The countryside is amazing. The temples of Angkor are, you know, it just makes me feel like a kid again every single time. It's amazing. The wonder, it's just insane. Well, we're still working hard on these accessories flash cards, right? So if y'all are familiar with the flash card decks that we put out for Pilates, to learn Pilates, the sixth one in the series is coming out. It's the accessories deck. It'll be coming out this summer. Back in November, we shot the, did all the photos back in LA and Lesley's been working super hard on the cards. In fact, she's really excited for us to be in Cambodia because we get to go a couple days early, and she literally is on the opposite side of the world from what our normal life. So no one interrupts her. She can take no phone calls, none of the things, and she always uses that time to sit down and just continue to really work on these cards. She's going to be writing and editing and doing all that kind of stuff. So if that's something that's interesting to you, go to opc.me/flashcardwaitlist flashcardwaitlist, and put yourself on the waitlist. We hook up the people on the waitlist. We don't ever announce publicly that we've got this epic presale offer that is going to happen, so only the people on the waitlist. So put yourself on there. 

Next up is, as you may recall, I've been hosting some webinars recently. I've got another one coming up. And if you are a fitness business owner or a Pilates studio owner or a home studio owner, or you're renting spaces studio, if you are working for yourself in some way, you want to come to this free webinar that I'm putting on. It's called the Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator. After coaching seven years, Lesley and I have been able to work with thousands of business owners just like you, and we boiled down three big secrets that are going to get you unstuck in your money. 

Clare Solly 6:56  

Secrets?

Brad Crowell 6:57  

Yeah, secrets. In your money, unstuck in your client growth. How do you manage a team? How do you change your messaging? How do you connect with these clients that you need to do in order to grow your business? These are the things that we are talking about, and I want you to come join us. So go to prfit.biz/accelerator. That's profit without the O, dot biz slash accelerator. It's a free webinar. So before we get into this convo with Traci Peterson, we had an audience question to respond to. And if you were here last week, you can laugh again, because the audience is Lesley. And Lesley was literally asking Clare a question. So Claire, what are you reading next?

Clare Solly 8:02  

This is a hysterical question. I'm a bookstagrammer, so I'm a book influencer. You can (inaudible).

Bookstagram. You know what I literally thought it was an entire platform called Bookstagram I was like, what? No, it's like a segment of Instagram.

It's a corner of, yeah, it's a corner of Instagram. It's a corner of Tiktok. If you look up the hashtag (inaudible). 

Brad Crowell 8:24  

Wait, it's TikTok? 

Clare Solly 8:24  

Yeah, it's on TikTok too. We'll talk about books all the time. So I'm, you won't be Solly, you can. We'll probably put that somewhere if you want to find it, if you want to go see what books I'm reading. So I read all kinds of different fiction. My favorites are like romcoms and fantasy. I love anything with a dragon, although it's funny, when we get to the new year, I'm always like, okay, I want to get some gritty so I usually read, like, a good biography, or I read something more nonfiction-wise, I'm a tiny bit of a self help junkie, so every once in a while, I'm like, what's the new self-help book? Brene Brown, what do you got for me? 

Brad Crowell 8:56  

Yeah, right? 

Clare Solly 8:57  

But one of these trips that I went on this summer was with my mom, and we were driving, and we saw these old time like 40 year old, 50 year old truck stop places. You know, the movie (inaudible)

Brad Crowell 9:08  

Americana. 

Clare Solly 9:09  

I'm totally Americana. So I'm sort of fascinated by all of this, and it's like percolating in the back of my brain to write something, whether it's a play or a book about these old time pull over by the side of the road and take a picture with the world's largest ball of twine. So I'm sort of.

Brad Crowell 9:29  

There's always these big ass chairs out there, like on the side of a freeway. Like, what are they doing?

Clare Solly 9:34  

Like, I went to Canada in May, and there was a giant moose statue, and of course, I had to take a picture with it. But like, why is there a giant moose just by the side of the road? 

Brad Crowell 9:44  

That's funny. 

Clare Solly 9:45  

I'm somewhat fascinated by these, like, old I don't know why I keep saying old timey, because they're not that old. But as a kid, we used to take roadtrips, and we would stop and like, the moccasin factory. So I'm doing some research, so to speak, on some of these old, older roadside attractions so (inaudible) maybe, maybe I think I'm envisioning more of a fictional story, like a generational grandpa made this thing, put his life fortune into it, and, like, run down and what do we do with it? You know, kind of. 

Brad Crowell 10:19  

Oh, that, you know, what's really interesting, that's a really clever idea. Because then it could be like, the young generation who doesn't give a shit about it, and he's like, what do I do with this thing? But then it could be that the younger person comes to appreciate it, you know? Or they could be like, fuck it. I'm moving to the city. 

Clare Solly 10:38  

Yeah. Well, I mean, and we're kind of all, like, we've kind of forgotten what this is. We've forgotten what these and some people don't even know what they are. 

Brad Crowell 10:46  

Yeah, they don't even know what it is. They drive by without even understanding. That's interesting. You know, I think there's, like, a really a lot there of digging into this idea of nostalgia, yeah. That's a cool that could be a really cool premise, Clare.

Clare Solly 11:03  

Yeah, well, and then passing things down to generations, what have we experienced, or what have our parents or grandparents experienced that we can pass down through generations? So I think that that's important. 

Brad Crowell 11:14  

That's cool, too, yeah, and the meaning, like how I had so much meaning to them, yeah. Well, very cool. I love that. I'm glad you shared that you are doing the Bookstagram, the book Tiktok, that one too, the book talk. Stick around, everybody. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into this amazing convo Lesley had with Traci Peterson. 

Alright, now let's talk about Traci Peterson. Traci is an international speaker, a board certified family nurse practitioner and founder of Elevate Wellness and Aesthetics. She is the creator of Women Lessons, a transformative program and podcast that empowers high-performing women and their daughters to overcome self-criticism, embrace their divine gifts and build unshakable confidence. She's a proud mother of three and Traci leads by example, inspiring others to break generational cycles of insecurity while living a purpose-driven life of faith, leadership and personal growth. It was a very refreshing convo. I really appreciated her mission. There was so much in there. What was one thing that you loved?  

Clare Solly 12:15  

One thing I said that she loved was to look inward and upward for your validation. She said, most of the time, we've had to learn things the hard way, and you're not finding your value or your worth from or your validation from any other person than yourself from your relationship with you and your Creator. I found that gorgeous, because yes, we are, especially women, we are in this moment where we are standing up for ourselves. We are finding our own identities, but we're looking outward for that, and we're still, we still are plagued with magazines and perfection being thrown at us, like from deodorant commercials to clothing ads to car ads, like, what should you drive if you're a Pilates instructor. What do you do if you're a performer and a writer? What do you need to wear? Who? What? How do you need to project yourself? So there's so many hows and whys, and really, at the end of the day, you have to live with yourself, and I am the only person that has to live with me, even if you are living with someone else, even if you are thriving with someone else. At the end of the day, you have to make yourself happy. There's nobody else. I mean, other people can add to your happiness, but they can't make you 100% happy. So I loved, loved that. 

Brad Crowell 13:33  

Yeah, I think, you know, it kind of goes back to what we were talking about last week, about worthiness, validation, if we put that in the hands of the people around us, we're setting ourselves up for failure.

Clare Solly 13:46  

Yeah, you're giving yourself a measuring stick. You're giving other people power to have the measuring stick for your life. And you don't know which direction they're going to go, because you don't know what their goals are and your relationship with yourself is, the one that should be paramount should be the top. And I'm not saying ignore everyone else and only live your best life, but that's not the point of and it's not Traci's point either. But I think you have to be comfortable with yourself first. You know, it's kind of like that airplane mask saying, right? You have to put on your mask first and make sure you're okay, before you're any help to anyone else. And I know that's not quite what she was saying, but at the same time, it's still that that's valid. 

Brad Crowell 14:26  

No, it's super relevant, you know. And I think also, too, she's talking about, you know, inward and upward instead of outward, instead of outward. So absolutely, I definitely agree. I was thinking about, how do you catch yourself in that moment of when you're when you're seeking validation from others, right? 

Clare Solly 14:47  

Yeah, hard habit to break. 

Brad Crowell 14:50  

Yeah, it really is, you know, because there's that sense of validation, I mean, I understand that. If we create a new product and no one buys it, that makes me feel like a failure. We fucked up. We clearly missed the mark. We didn't understand what people were looking for. I can understand that external, you know, looking external to we're talking about world views as well. If your worldview is, I am a salesperson, and you fail at selling like I was just talking about then. 

Clare Solly 15:21  

Well, identity. 

Brad Crowell 15:22  

Yeah, what do you do? What do you do with that? Does that mean life is over now? So when your foundation isn't built on those things, but instead is built internally, it's a lot more challenging to rock that kind of a person. And that's a good thing, that's a good thing. So, yeah, we'll, look, I really loved when she was talking about gifts. She said, listen, not everyone is going to understand your gifts or celebrate them. Those are not your people. And what she was talking about was this really heart wrenching story of her childhood where she was in her early teens, mid teens, and she walked up behind her friends, and her friends were basically talking shit on her, and she ended up going home, and she was telling her mom, and then her mom said something, probably not intentionally, but she said something that was really hurtful and that really rocked her. And she said what she had been told every day is, hey, remember who you are. And she's like, well, I'm loud. I am the person who is in control of the situation. I am all these things. And you know, in that sense, it's positive, but what she was getting the feedback from was that makes you bossy, and that makes you never paying attention, and that makes you this, that makes you this. So suddenly her strengths were being portrayed as weakness. And as a 14-year-old, how do you overcome that? You're going to change yourself so that you can fit in, so that you're no longer going to do those things, and that really shifts into people pleasing and all this other stuff, and that's really, really difficult. It was a sad story to hear. And she said her daughter came from home from school and said, hey, Mom, you know, I need to learn how to be a woman. And the things that her daughter said, well, I need to learn these things, that was like, the beginning of this mission that Traci is on, and that I felt was like so powerful that she had this moment of introspection. That was the word I was looking for at the beginning of the pod. Introspection, she had this moment of clarity, of like, oh, wow. Is this the example that I've set for my daughter, if these are the things that she thinks she needs?

Clare Solly 17:22  

And am I the model for that? I thought that was also very important. Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 17:26  

Yeah, absolutely. And so I think it's so cool that she's come full circle now and she can say, hey, you know what the gifts that I was told are a problem when I was a teen? No, those are still gifts. But the people who are giving me that feedback, those are not my people.

Clare Solly 17:44  

Yeah, and I like, this story resonated so, so deeply with me, because I was like, wait, are we the same person? Because the same sort of situation happened with me. And again, it was, you know, a different topic, a different day. And I'm sure other people, other women, especially, have suffered. And I'm talking from because I'm a woman, and I've talked to many women who have been like, oh yeah, me too. So I can speak from that. And many of us, you know, we just get ripped to shreds. And I'm very tall. I'm six feet tall, and so I have always been the one that was automatically the leader and was put in charge of things. 

Brad Crowell 18:24  

Sure. 

Clare Solly 18:24  

And I learned to speak loud because I'm a big, tall person. And then I also grew up with two stepbrothers, so I had to be loud because there were two boys in my house. And I was known as bossy. And it's so funny, because once I heard that, I was like, when was the last time I heard bossy? And I kind of love now that we have this boss babe mentality, like we've turned it around, that word. 

Brad Crowell 18:49  

Isn't that funny? 

Clare Solly 18:49  

Yeah and what used to be such a negative word, and we're now embracing it. I loved, I loved this, which, you know, brings me back to the embracing your gifts. Yes, I am X-Y-Z and if you need like A-B-C in your life, then we're on the wrong side of the alphabet. I need a W and a Q and a T in there. Go be on your other side of the alphabet. And like we all are in this together, but I'm X-Y-Z, and this is what it is.

Brad Crowell 19:14  

That is something that we, especially as a child, have no perspective on. Our entire world is our class. Our entire world is our bus to and from school. Our entire world is our neighbors, because those are our friends that we play with. I have to imagine that shifted because of the internet, but still, even with the internet and the virtual it's generally still people that we know in real life that we're trying to connect with online. So as we shift change, grow older, we realize, oh, maybe I don't need to be in this community. Maybe this is my community over here. Or these are not my people. Those are my people. Or as business owners, we talk about this all the time to our clients who are building their own business. Maybe the people that we've been selling to are not the people we should be selling to because they're clearly not appreciating the thing, you know, but there are other people who will appreciate the thing. This is also another thing that I think is so important that fits right into this. When we lived in Los Angeles, there were something like 15, 18 Pilates studios within a two-mile radius, or three-mile radius. I can't remember what it was, Lesley and I looked it up at one point, and it was like kind of mind blowing. How was it possible that we all had clients? If we're all competing, we're all doing this the same thing. We're all teaching Pilates. Now, there's different forms of Pilates, but that's not my point. The point is from the person who doesn't know anything about Pilates they just see 18 Pilates studios, right? What sets you apart is you and how you're communicating and connecting with them. Do they vibe with you? Your vibe, them, you know, coming in the door and being like, I like this person. There's something innate there. There's something intuitive there, and that's really a thing that sets you apart. And that's why we're not for everybody, and that's why they might not be your people. You know those people who are critiquing your strengths instead of praising your strengths.

Clare Solly 21:09  

Yeah and I think it also goes both ways. If you are buying into something, or you're giving your time to something and you're just not connecting with it, let it go. Leave it for someone else. Leave the space for someone else. There are many other opportunities out there. We talked about books earlier, like, I have read the same genre of book. I say I read dragon books, and there are some dragon books that I just don't like, and there are dragon books that like blow me away, but there are other people that read them that just don't jive. So yeah, if you're not feeling it, if you're not feeling me, move on to something else. Your life is yours. Live it how you want to. 

Brad Crowell 21:45  

I agree. I totally, totally agree. Stick around real quick, because when we get back, we're going to talk about those Be It Action Items that Traci and Lesley were talking about. So, we'll be right back. 

All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from Lesley's convo with Traci Peterson? She said hey, use the energy generator guide, especially if you ever feel overwhelmed burnt out as a mom, this guide, the energy generator guide, it walks you through the step by step. One, write down your top three values. Two, how to get to those in a very succinct manner. The guide helps you do that, and then you start calendaring those values. Have a conversation with your family, your spouse, your child, about your set of values. She talked about instilling this concept into her daughter in a way that allows your daughter to reflect, hey, is this serving me, this thing that I'm signed up for? Is it fitting with my values? And it allows you to also measure the feedback I think that you're getting from people, and be like, do these people agree with my values? Because if they don't agree with my values, then maybe I shouldn't be listening to their feedback. And I just thought that was super powerful to be teaching, you know, someone who's 12. Yeah, she said, sometimes we know what we value, but there's conversations that sometimes need to happen, explaining why, the why behind why you're doing it, so that you can get other people on board. So when you know your values too, you can also use that as a leader, you know, as the person who's the biggest personality in the room, like she is, I just, that's a, that's an incredible life lesson for someone to be passing on to their kids. And also, I think, I don't have any kids, so this is something that, like, Lesley and I would have a conversation about this kind of a thing, you know, do we need to do this? Or why are we doing this? Why are we still doing this? If it's something that we've been repeating over and over and over again? So yeah, that's pretty potent. 

Clare Solly 23:49  

Yeah, I love that she's focused on moms and daughters. Love it. Love it. Love it. I'm a daughter of a mom and don't have children, so for me, I dropped in instead of mom, I dropped in person, and instead of children, spouse, etc. I dropped in support system because I have many, many friends. 

Brad Crowell 24:05  

I really thought you were gonna say my pet. And I was like, yes.

Clare Solly 24:09  

I mean, you should calendar in your pet.

Brad Crowell 24:12  

And you'll have like, a one-on-one. Like, is this serving our values? 

Clare Solly 24:15  

Yeah. What are we, good dog, good job. But yeah. I mean, I think this system is good for anyone. So I, you know if, even if you're not a mom, you don't have a daughter, go take a look at this book, because I think it's very supportive. My biggest takeaway, and again, I love to, love, love this because I'm daughter of a mom, she created with seven woman lessons to look inward and upward for your validation and the lessons were, remember who you are and whose you are. And I loved that whose. I loved that. Gratitude grounds you. Your own, remember your own divine gift. Be selfmore, not selfless. I'm gonna say that again, be selfmore, not selfless. You are more than your body. Amen. Community counts and number seven was living your potential. All of these are brilliant. Again, I think you can even substitute in, not yes, these are great things to teach to a younger person. It's a good teachable moment for yourself. And like these seven guidelines, I feel like I took a lot of notes when I was listening to this one. I was listening out to it fast, and so I had to go back and listen because I was taking and I think it's just great ways to, like, focus yourself. And again, we're at the New Year. It's not too late to start your resolution, or if you have one, or if you don't, or even just looking forward to, like, where do you want to go? And these are steps and guidelines to move you forward or move you and your team, you and your people forward. So loved it.

Brad Crowell 25:45  

I have a lot of awe for people who take the time to reflect back on their years of life and pull out the like distill concepts like this. This all comes back to that conversation she had with her daughter about, like, Mom, I need to learn how to be a woman. And from that came an entire platform, you know, where she is now able to not only support her own daughter, but support other moms. And now she's hosting retreats and for mom and daughter retreats, and doing all this amazing stuff that came back to this one moment of absolute clarity. And then now she's got this system that she put together. And, you know, high level, these things sound like, oh, okay, that's great. Gratitude grounds, be selfmore not selfless. That's cute, actually. I like that one. But there's still so much thought that went behind each one. Why are these the seven, there's clearly a reason, and I think it's worth digging in. So I love that. All right. Well, everyone, well, I'm Brad Crowell. 

Clare Solly 26:48  

And I'm Lesley Logan, just kidding. I'm Clare Solly.

Brad Crowell 26:52  

Thank you so much for joining us today. If you want to hear more from Clare, go check her out at claresolly.com C-L-A-R-E-S-O-L-L-Y dot com. We are so grateful that you are here. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know by sending us a DM to the pod on IG, or leave us a comment on YouTube. We will definitely catch you on the next episode and in between here, Be It Till You See It. 

Clare Solly 27:14  

Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 27:16  

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Brad Crowell 27:58  

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Brad Crowell 28:08  

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Brad Crowell 28:18  

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Traci Peterson, a coach and advocate for high-performing women and their daughters, shares insights on reframing negative labels, nurturing self-trust, and passing empowering lessons to the next generation. Discover Traci’s seven “woman lessons” that help women overcome self-criticism, become more present, and truly celebrate their unique gifts. Whether you’re a mom or simply seeking more confidence, this conversation will spark lasting growth.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Transforming negative labels into empowering strengths.
• Creating supportive communication between moms and daughters.
• Building and maintaining boundaries to prioritize well-being.
• Shifting from external validation to owning personal gifts and values.
• Embracing body acceptance as part of self-trust and personal growth.
• Breaking cycles of self-doubt to inspire confidence across generations.

Episode References/Links:

• Traci Peterson Website - https://tracipeterson.com
• Traci Peterson Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/tpete
• Traci’s Energy Generator Guide – https://beitpod.com/energyenerator
• The Woman Lessons Podcast – https://beitpod.com/womanlessonspod
• Mother Daughter Movement Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/motherdaughtermovement
• Ep. 376: Jenny Schatzel - https://beitpod.com/ep376

Guest Bio:

Traci Peterson is an international speaker, highly sought after trainer, board certified family nurse practitioner, Founder and CEO of Elevate Wellness & Aesthetics and has been awarded #1 Top Team Builder in 50 Countries with Amare, for outstanding leadership and long-term team retention. She hosts mother daughter retreats called Woman Lessons; for high performing women and their daughters between 9-12 to help them overcome self criticism by looking inward and upward for validation. With collective medical, wellness and aesthetics industry experience of 15+ years, Traci speaks on topics she regularly covers on her Podcast Woman Lessons: How to Be and raise a truly confident woman—focusing on overcoming comparison, eliminating self-criticism, identifying your divine gifts, learning to love yourself, lean on God as you're raising the next generation of leaders. Traci believes in living a fulfilled life of purpose-- not just external achievements. She prides herself in mastering her roles as a mother, wife, leader and woman of faith. She leads by example in all she teaches. Today, she joyously claims her greatest accomplishment as being a mother to 3 active children.

 

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Episode Transcript:

Traci Peterson 0:00  

I think that the labels oftentimes, that we're given, can be so limiting, but we can actually become liberated from them if we just reframe them. So whether you're bossy, right? I'm just a master delegator. If you've been told as a woman, oh, you're too emotional, no, you're just incredibly empathetic. If we can just reframe some of these labels, we can actually become liberated from them.

Lesley Logan 0:24  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Okay, loves. I'm going to keep this intro short and sweet, because we have a great interview that runs a little longer than our normal ones do, and that is with Traci Peterson. Basically, it's women lessons, and whether you're a mom or not, I do think you're going to get so much out of this, because we have this really open conversation about women, what do we need to know about ourselves? How do we need to be prioritizing ourselves? What does that look like? And then for those who are moms with daughters, how do we teach that to the next generation? And so if you're not a childearing woman or you don't have a child that you're raising, hi, I see you. I still got so much listening to this episode and being in it, and I really hope it's helpful for you, and also please share it with a friend who needs it. All right. Here is Traci Peterson. 

All right, Be Ii babe, this is gonna be just a delightful combo, because we already have spent time talking before we hit record. Tracy Peterson is our guest today, and she is a dear friend who I was introduced through you Jessica Papineau. Pretty sure she introduced us and then we got to hug each other in real life in Nashville multiple times as part of an amazing group of BBG, but Traci, you have this wonderful mission. And I hear a lot of people's missions, but whenever you say what your mission is, I 100% believe it will happen the way you desire it to happen. I can feel it in your bones. It doesn't feel fake, it doesn't feel forced. It feels so like it's coming from you in such an authentic place. So why don't you tell everyone who you are and what you're rocking at? 

Traci Peterson 2:31  

Yes, oh my gosh, you're just the sweetest. And I wish I could just give you a big old squeeze right now. Yes. So my mission, what I'm here to do is to help high-performing women and their daughters between the ages of nine and 12 to overcome self-criticism by looking inward and upward for their validation. And all of this started was because I didn't necessarily have that. I think from the outside looking in, people can look at somebody who seems really confident, who seems like they have their life together, they have all the accolades, they have all the accomplishments. But what I am here to tell you is most of the time those women are some of the most insecure people, because I was one, and I have moments where I am one still, and I just got really clear that there were just some patterns of thinking, some of it was generational, and I just hit a point where I knew I didn't want that for myself, but more than not wanting it for myself, I didn't want that for my daughter, and that's when I knew things had to change, and it really all came to a head when my daughter, she's 11 now, she was nine at the time, she came to me, while she didn't come to me, it was just regular after school, you know, hustle and bustle, I was standing at the counter doing dishes or at the sink, she was sitting at the counter and I was doing dishes, and I remember her vividly saying, at the ripe old age of nine years old, Mom, can we do woman lessons? And I was like, woman lesson. Sure. What do you want to know? I'm a woman. We can do lessons. What does that mean to you? And she said, Lesley, so thoughtfully, and I will seriously remember this for the rest of my life. She sighed, and she paused, and she so thoughtfully, said, I need to learn how to put together an outfit. I want to learn how to do my makeup, and I need to learn how to cook. And I was like, that is so sweet. And then in my brain, that high-performing, hyperachieving perfectionist, people-pleasing woman was like, is that all that she thinks that a woman is? Is it what we look like and what we do? And then I was like, is that all that I'm modeling for her to be? And that's when I started getting introspective. And I was like, what are those lessons? What are those things that I want her to learn sooner than I did, to save her the suffering, the struggle, the self-criticism, the self-judgment, the judgment of others, the self-doubt, the people-pleasing, like I want her to learn all of those things earlier so that she can avoid some of that pain that I had to go through. So that's really where it all got started. 

Lesley Logan 5:22  

I think it's like, I don't have any children, but the people around us mirror things to us, even if they're not your child. Like people say things and then the way you respond, and then you're like, hold on, what am I putting off there? Like, how did that happen? And I think we can be curious about that. And it's really cool that your curiosity led you to kind of going, okay, what can we do here? And how can we do this? And I guess it's been two years since that conversation. I want to hear a little bit more about what that has turned into in these two years. But then also, it's kind of hard to start something from scratch.

Traci Peterson 5:53  

Totally. 

Lesley Logan 5:54  

To have a big vision, and then to start it from scratch. So tell us a little bit, what did that curiosity in your mind, of like, what could this be for her? What did that turn into? And then a little bit of your mindset about how it's going. 

Traci Peterson 6:04  

Yeah, no, that's such a great question. What it turned into in that moment? And I called those one minute moments, because I feel like, just like you said, our children are our little mirrors. They are. They're just mirroring and reflecting back to us where we're at. And little did I know at that time that I needed woman lessons. I needed her to ask me that question, to remind myself and to take just a moment to think how far I've come and what I've learned up until that point. And then what legacy do I want to leave behind when I'm not here. And so I really started getting introspective. And I said what are those lessons that I had to learn? And some of them I had to learn the hard way. Most of the time we have to learn, you know, things the hard way. And so I created, and I came up with these seven woman lessons to look inward and upward for your validation. So you're not finding your value or your worth or your validation from any other person than from yourself and from your relationship with your Creator. And for me, that's God. So my relationship with God, my relationship with myself, that should be paramount. That should be first and foremost who I look to for guidance, right? 

And so the seven woman lessons that I organized is remember who you are and whose you are, gratitude grounds, own your divine gift, be selfmore, not selfless, you are more than your body, community counts, and live in your potential. Those are the themes as a woman that I had to go through to get to that point of where I was in my life, and I still need to be reminded of those every single day in my life, throughout the course of my life. And then it just started this big vision of what I really wanted to create, and so I wanted to create this container for mothers and daughters where they could come and personally develop together. Because I feel like, to your point of our children being little mirrors and other people being little mirrors of ourselves, I feel like mothers are so well-intentioned, but we inadvertently project our insecurities onto our daughters. 

Lesley Logan 8:26  

Oh yes, and my mom is probably listening, so yes, Mom, you did. And it's okay, because your mom did it to you.

Traci Peterson 8:36  

And I think that that's the whole point, right? It's like we all inadvertently project our insecurities onto that next generation. The way that we avoid that is by constantly progressing. It's constantly being reminded and working on remembering who you are divinely, who God created you to be. It's working on owning your divine gifts and not comparing them with other people, just being more of an observer, right? You don't need to personalize and internalize those things, because, you know, women, we oftentimes tend to compare ourselves to others, and so it's just sitting. 

Lesley Logan 9:15  

And we compare ourselves, sorry to cut you off, we compare ourselves because our parents compared us to others. She's being quiet. She's not bragging, and I don't think it was on purpose to be negative or harmful. It's like trying to set an example so that we could be better humans. But in doing that, it creates a comparison. Oh, I do need to be more quiet like Sally is, and I need to study more like Mary does, and I need to be more clean like my sister is, and so you just become I gotta be all of the things. But I love that. It's like owning your own divine gifts and observing others allows us to go, I'm so good at this, and they're so good at that, and I need that so I can just ask them for help.

Traci Peterson 9:56  

Yes. 

Lesley Logan 9:56  

I don't need to learn that. 

Traci Peterson 9:58  

Yeah. And you know that I think, Lesley, that also comes back to this idea of oftentimes, we also objectify our children, right? Because they're a reflection, at least as parents, we think that they're a reflection of our parenting, they're a reflection of who we are. We're either a good parent or a bad parent, depending on what our children choose or depending on how our children turn out, when, in reality, I believe that our goal should be, as a parent, is helping our child who came pre-wired and pre-determined with certain divine gifts, helping them discover that divine gift, to multiply that divine gift, magnify that divine gift and use that gift in the service of others. And their divine gift isn't what yours is. They're not just going to be this little mini version of yourself and walk in your footsteps and do as you did. And I think that's where true confidence comes from. It's a self assurance. And it's a self trust. And the only way you get to that point is when you help mentor them into their own self trust. And by saying this character trait about you is so unique and it's so special to you, and I love that you're not like so and so I love that you're not like your brother doing this and that, right? And it reminds me of a time, well, ever since I was really, really young, I was celebrated for just some natural leadership abilities that I had, where, even as little as third grade I remember, like, giving speeches and leading tours at my school for superintendent heads of education, and that carried on until I was student body president. I got elected student body president my ninth grade year, and I remember being so excited and walking up behind my group of friends. I'm making air quotes, if you're listening to the podcast, I'm making air quotes my group of friends, and they didn't know that I was there. And I remember walking up to them and hearing them say, Traci thinks she's so great. I didn't even vote for her, anyway. I don't think she's so this and so that, which just ripped me wide open. And I remember going home looking for solace, looking for empathy, right? Even sympathy. And I remember going to my mom and saying hey Mom, why do these girls not like me? Why do these girls have a hard time with me? They're supposed to be my friends. And she said to me, well, we've been talking, and you're too bossy, you're too confident, you're too loud, and it makes people feel uncomfortable. 

Lesley Logan 12:41  

Oh and oh, I'm like, I'm heartbroken for you, because she just validated what they said and not.

Traci Peterson 12:47  

Yes and didn't validate my divine gifts that I was celebrated for all through growing up. Right? I was celebrated for being, quote, bossy, which I feel like is getting stuff done being a master delegator. 

Lesley Logan 13:02  

Well, they always call girls bossy and they call a boy leader. So that's just the thing. 

Traci Peterson 13:06  

Right? 

Lesley Logan 13:07  

You know, there are bossy people out there. My sister, sorry, Lacey, you are listening, was a little bit of a bossy person, but she was like, nope, I'm in charge. And there's ways of coaching. Like, hey, the way you said that, it's a little bit, we love the leadership role you're trying to take. There's other ways to say the same thing. But oh, oh my God, that's so hard.

Traci Peterson 13:26  

I know so hard, because that's the thing you can move people into action. And this thing that I was celebrated for, I was so confused in that moment as this 14-year-old girl, right? Like, wait a minute. So all of these divine gifts that I've been celebrated for up until this point, something's wrong with them, which means something's wrong with me, which means now it's my job to make other people feel comfortable. The thing that those girls were saying or thinking about me matters more than what I feel and think about myself. And so that sort of perpetuated, you know, this.

Lesley Logan 14:08  

Instant insecurity. 

Traci Peterson 14:09  

Instant. 

Lesley Logan 14:10  

Thank you for sharing this story. I mean, it's those little things. And look, no one is perfect, so I'm not here to, like, game up on your mom, but it's the, it's just those little moments of just a different way of saying something could have changed everything. But since that went that way, coming full circle to when your daughter was like, I want to do women lessons, and you're like, that's what you think. Am I doing that? I think all of us, women, even the most confident ones, have moments of insecurity, because it's, you know, it's the thing that you are so worried that people are going to say, I worry so much as a writer about my grammar. And of course, the first negative comment I got on my book was like, this is a great book, but the poor punctuation was distracting. It took me 48 hours of just like hearing that in my head over and over again to finally get angry enough to go it's a good thing I'm not an English major teaching you English. This book is about Pilates business. So take the business stuff out of it. And, you know, add your commas where you need to.

Traci Peterson 15:03  

And isn't that crazy that that is natural, human nature, that we don't hold on to the 15,000 positive comments, (inaudible) but one. One negative.

Lesley Logan 15:14  

Yes, we do. We totally do that. This is the story that you remember about your freshman year. I'm sure there was all these other great people around who were not your in air quotes, friends, because whatever, there's people by you, but they voted for you. We don't remember that those people voted for you, or that those people like that you were bossy and a leader and all these things. It's, we do hang on to that, and there's scientific reasons for this, but it is something that I'm sure that I listen to those seven things we're talking about with being this divine woman. If you and your mother-daughter movement can actually teach the moms this help them with their own insecurities, then the way they raise their daughters can actually change. And to go, you know, not everyone's gonna like you. That's okay, because not everyone's gonna like this gift you have. But the only way to say that is to be able to own your own gifts and know that not everyone's gonna like you.

Traci Peterson 16:03  

Yes, yes. And that's exactly it. All that I wish, all that I wish, looking back, that I wish you would have done in that moment, is to say, oh, Trace, I'm so sorry. That can be so hard when people say things like that. But listen, not everybody is going to understand your gifts and celebrate them. Those are not your people. Those are not your people. And I promise you that as you step into those gifts, as you develop them, as you multiply them, as you magnify them, your people will be attracted to you, and those will be your people. It may be a lonely road, and you may only have just a super small group of people that get you, but hold on to those people, because they get you, but not everybody will. And that's okay. That's okay. And just know I get you. I see your gifts. God sees your gifts, because he gave those to you and he entrusted you with those. Go and shine them bright for other people, but not everybody is your people, and that's okay. And it took me, Lesley, until I was 35 years old, to find my people. It took me until I was 35 I mean, 20 years. 

Lesley Logan 17:12  

You know what? Here's the thing. That to me, sounds normal. I listen to (inaudible) podcast. It's like a Q&A podcast. And I'm sure there's other podcasts that are like this. I've even heard on (inaudible), the women who write in, who talk about the friend that they've had forever who's causing problems with the wedding that they want to have or where they want to have it. And she's like, you know, we don't have to keep people around forever. This friend doesn't sound like a friend if they're getting mad about these things. And it's this weird, interesting thing where we think we have to keep the friends we had forever, and there's something wrong with us if we didn't. But to me, if you found your people at 35 that's freaking cool, because first of all, our frontal part of our brain doesn't even develop you guys until you're in your early 20s. So yeah, that's another episode to talk about. Our children, actually adults at 18, because the brain doesn't develop till it so that was nine years of having this full brain and figuring out who you are and finding those people. I think that's really cool, because I moved several times. I moved to go to college, and I had to find people, and I didn't ever really felt like I belonged there. Then I moved again to LA, and I worked at this really cool place, and I had great acquaintances who I hung out with, but I never really felt like I could tell them everything. And then, after five years of dating this one guy, when I broke up with him, I lost everyone, lost everyone, and I was 30 years old, couch surfing off clients and like acquaintances couches, but that's when I learned who my people were, the people who opened up doors for me, people who didn't think I was crazy for leaving someone who wasn't right for me, the people like the fact that I lost friends who weren't even his friends when I left him, I was like, oh, you just liked inviting the couple over. You didn't actually like the me. And so I have some amazing, badass women who are in my life that I met between 32 and 41. So I hope that if when listening, you're hearing that that trace and I were like 30 something before we found good people. And so if you're like, I'm alone, and you're in that 30 to something, 40 range, your people are out there. They're also waiting to find you, and they want someone who sees their gifts, and they want to see your gifts. You talked about knowing who you are, right? So to create this mother daughter movement, what did you do for yourself? Because I guess, like even coming up with these lessons, what did you have to learn about yourself to know what you learned? 

Traci Peterson 19:39  

Yeah, that's a really good question. And I think because right around that age of 35 is when I really stepped into entrepreneurship. So I really had to get over what people thought of me, because you have to consider like, up until that point, I was, like, a total people-pleaser, right? And so I went to school, I got a master's degree I was a nurse practitioner, like really accomplished in a lot of different things, sing the national anthem at sporting events, outward accolades to try to find my worth, because I had this whole big thinking that something was wrong with me, right? So I had to collect all these accolades in order to try to make me feel like I had value, or I was worthy of it, or that I felt like I was enough, like that I was good enough. And so it really started when I stepped into entrepreneurship. Because when you step into entrepreneurship and just putting yourself out there, even from a sales perspective, you really have to develop patterns and habits and systems and structure. And that's really when I stepped into personal development a lot. And I didn't even know the personal development world even existed, which is crazy, like at 35 being, you know, having, like, a master's degree and being educated. I had no idea. And I had to just really stop caring what they said. You know, I think the they in our lives can really derail our lives if we allow them to. Because it's like, what will they say? What will they think? And it's like, who are the they anyway? 

Lesley Logan 21:15  

That is the best question. Who are the they, because if you can actually give the they a name, you actually realize that person's never gonna buy from me, that person's never gonna be my friend. So why do I care what they, that person, that specific person thinks? But we put a there and allows us to, like, procrastinate and figure out more things that are wrong with ourselves.

Traci Peterson 21:35  

Yeah, and what if the day was that one little editor who gave your opinion, you're like, well, wait a minute, that editor isn't even in my target audience. I don't even care, and he's not my person. You know? It really, truly doesn't matter. But when I got to this point, when I was laying out these woman lessons, some of them came to me pretty quickly, because actually, to my mother's credit, one thing that she did really teach me and teach me well was she always would say before I left the house, Tracy, remember who you are when I was young, young, young. She would say it. When I was running out the door with friends in high school. It's like, Tracy, remember who you are. And it was just that one minute moment that made me stop and think, who am I? Who do I want to be? Who am I becoming? She gave that to me. Even remember who you are as I was going off to college, right? Remember who you are as I went through a divorce. It was all of those things. Remember who you are. So that came really easy, the strategy that gratitude grounds you, that came through that entrepreneurial process. It's not living in the past and reliving some negative things that you don't have necessarily control over. It's not worrying about the future that you have very little to say with, like, oh my gosh, what it is to come, you can't foresee the future. So why live in an anxiety type mindset in the future? You just need to be grounded in gratitude in the present. And I think as high-performing women, sometimes we're always focusing on the future, because it's like, what's our next goal? What's our next accomplishment? What's the next thing we're working on? That when I talk with high-performing women, they're like, I just want to feel present. And I think that's probably what Pilates gives. You're finally grounded in your body, and you're living in the present moment. There's nothing in the past, there's nothing in the future. There's only the here and now. And that shifted everything, and it brings you in touch and in tune with your body, which I think a lot of times women get so disconnected from what their body is telling them that it just gives them a moment to do that. We talked about owning your divine gifts. That comes into that story that I shared with you is not wanting my gifts to be anybody else's. But I believe that sometimes those labels that we're given, whether we're given those by peers. I mean, we all know that one kid in school, right who said something about my thumbs like somebody said that I have ski jump thumbs. And so for years I walked around like, tucking my thumbs in. You know, it's like (inaudible). 

Lesley Logan 24:06  

I forgot a girl called me a really terrible word name about my lips. So I walked around like this with my lips in. And my dad was like, what are you doing? Because I was walking around like this, and I told him, and the thing that he said back was also not great, so I couldn't repeat that to her either, so it wasn't helpful, but it's really funny, because it became such a thing that I was so conscious of, but it's that thing that everyone loves about me, so, like, it's this weird thing that people pick up on, oh my God. I worked at the store, and this guy came in to the store and goes, oh my God, you know who you look like? You look like Marilyn Manson, that's what he said to me. And I was like, okay, thanks. What do you say to that? Right? A year later, I'm having a really bad day. My AC broke in my car. I'm driving home. I'm in traffic, my windows rolled down, and this girl goes, oh my God, you look like Marilyn Manson, I swear to God. How is it even possible? Wasn't even possible when, also I got so many compliments about how beautiful I was all the time. But do I remember who told me I was beautiful? No. I only remember the girl in the car and this other person. And so it's this really funny thing, and we make ourselves smaller. You hide your thumbs. I hid my lips because of these weird labels people gave us that are not the labels we were actually born with, divinely given, and that we own, you know?

Traci Peterson 25:28  

Exactly. And I think that the labels oftentimes that we're given can be so limiting, but we can actually become liberated from them if we just reframe them. So whether you're bossy, right? I'm just a master delegator. If you've been told as a woman, oh, you're too emotional. No, you're just incredibly empathetic. If we can just reframe some of these labels, we can actually become liberated from them. 

Lesley Logan 25:54  

We need expert marketers to take the labels. So I bet you between chatGPT and other thing. And the different thesauruses, everyone. We can come up with different labels with the thing that you have been told is your downfall, which is really the thing that you're so unique. The only reason people want you to take it down is because it's shining too bright. 

Traci Peterson 26:15  

Yes, exactly. It's shining too bright. And something that I say is that the world sees your different as difficult, but God sees your different as divine. He gave you those beautiful, luscious lips for a reason, right? It's a defining characteristic of you. When I think of you, I think of your beautiful lips with your bright pink lip color, that is your uniqueness. That is part of I mean, I don't know if you think it is, but it is. It's a part of your brand. It's a part of who you are. And so the thing that somebody is labeling that makes you difficult or hard or different is actually what makes you unique and divine. And so working through some of those things. And just in the vein of the reframing, one of the most difficult lessons that I actually avoided putting in for a really long time, it's because it was a big behemoth. Nobody knows how to talk about it, and that was you're more than your body. And it probably is the one that was my biggest hurdle, my biggest sticking point, and I think it's because I had tackled and conquered and overcome all of the other things like be selfmore, not selfless. Is like making yourself a priority, becoming the biggest, best and brightest version of yourself, and not limiting yourself or playing small, right? It's identifying what your boundaries are, and not just making boundaries, but keeping them. And I think people have a hard time keeping them. I've done that. I mastered that. I conquered that beast that you are more than your body.

Lesley Logan 27:55  

That is hard for so many levels of so many things. Because I'm thinking of my friends who, like, absolutely fucking love their bodies, and they actually use their bodies to market. That's their thing. They're not shallow about they love their body so much. But also, as a Pilates instructor, I never market that I'm gonna help you lose weight, or anything like what you're gonna look like, or that you're gonna have a Pilates body. Because everybody is a Pilates body. We all have different bodies. But also, I remember my husband and I were in a motorcycle accident. Somebody stopped short, and I fell off the motorcycle, and the first thing I thought was like, oh, my God, am I (inaudible) work? Because my body, right? There's the look of the body, there's the feeling of the body, there's the that is. 

Traci Peterson 28:37  

The functionality of the body. 

Lesley Logan 28:38  

That is a behemoth. I think that would take me the rest of my life.

Traci Peterson 28:42  

Yeah, and honestly, I was afraid of it. And if I'm being completely honest with you, when I was developing some of this curriculum, I was still in it, like I was still in it, the turning point for me was when I woke up one morning and I remember lying in my bed and my eyes opened, and the first thing I did was lift up my shirt to look at my stomach, because that was always my indicator. It's body checking. It's an eating disorder component where you body check, and I would know, depending on how my stomach looked, was I good yesterday, or was I bad yesterday, looking down at my stomach and standing up and the barrage of self-criticism, negativity, self-loathing that was on replay in my brain. I was like, whoa. I would never, ever and as a mother, it makes me emotional, because I would never, ever talk to my daughter that way. I would never let my friend talk to herself like that and speak to herself that way. So why was it okay for me to talk to myself that way? And that's when I knew that the thing that you want to avoid in your life is the thing that you have to walk through. You have to go through it. You have to barrel through it, bust through it. You can't avoid it. You can't go around it. You have to go through it in order to grow, and in order to help other people. And I know I'm not the only one, it was that point where I was like, okay, I'm going to tackle this. I'm going to tackle my relationship with my body, I'm going to tackle my relationship with food. And from the outside in, nobody would think that I ever had body issues.

Lesley Logan 30:29  

Those of us who had them, and then we think we've worked it out, are very good at hiding those things. 

Traci Peterson 30:35  

Oh, for sure. 

Lesley Logan 30:36  

So that's how you know, but you still have it, because you're still doing it, but you're so good at hiding it. 

Traci Peterson 30:40  

Oh, yeah for sure. And I mean, good heavens. Lesley, I went on my first diet when I was 15 years old. 15 years old. 115 pounds. I was 115 pounds when I came to my mom, and I said, Mom, I want to feel comfortable and confident for my dance that's coming up in three weeks. How can I do that? And my mom, she was just doing what she was taught. She said well, I can make bigger salads. And so I went on my first diet and started eating more salads. Why? Because that's what I saw her do. Three weeks before any event or anything she would diet. That's what she saw her mom do, any time before a big event, she would diet.

Lesley Logan 31:24  

And also, every magazine we've gone through all this stuff, and even to this day, my publicist no longer sends them to me anymore because she knows it just makes me angry. They're like, what are three Pilates exercises you could do to burn belly fat? I'm like, you can't do any, zero, none. I don't know your hormones, I don't know what you're eating. I don't know what your genetic predisposition is. And also, like, you don't spot-train, but every magazine for decades that was shoved in women's faces, your mom, your grandma, it is generational, and so it is a behemoth. And so I can understand why it'd be the last thing you'd attack. Because really, if you attack that first, you still wouldn't have mother daughter lessons yet, because you'd be still there. Because go to the other stuff first to build the confidence to even get to that point.

Traci Peterson 32:07  

Totally and that's the thing is I went on this two-year journey where I had to just get really honest with myself and look at myself in the mirror. But it wasn't going to stop me from moving forward, because it was through that process of and here's the thing, so going through the thing that you don't want to do, I intentionally put on weight, like I intentionally went into a build and it was the theme that I was the most scared of. I feared it so bad. I feared gaining weight. I feared getting fat. I feared that for whatever reason. And I did it in a controlled way, with the plan, with the program to put on muscle, but it required a total brain F, like it was just a total opposite way of thinking, where my entire life was. I step on the scale, and it must be lower. And my goal for this was I needed to step on this scale and weigh more, and that meant success. That meant that I was following the plan. That meant that I was moving towards my goals. And I did it. I did a 13-month build with a coach, and it was so amazing. But my goal was not just to put on weight. My goal, ultimately, at the end of it Lesley, was to love my body at every stage. That was my goal. My goal wasn't 16% body fat 18, but whatever it was, it was, I want to learn to love my body at every single stage. Because my body is not necessarily going to be in this form when I'm 60 years old or 70 years old. Now that doesn't mean it's a friggin free for all. And I also push back against some of that, because I was told earlier in my life, oh, once you have kids say goodbye to your six pack, your body will never be the same. This is all programming and projection that people put on you right? You have the power. You have the power to decide what you want your body to look like, how you want your body to feel, how you want to function. It's a choice. It's an absolute choice. But I went through this to learn to love my body at every single stage, and I will never forget the last four weeks of my programming, 13 months in, like, just going for it and talk about reframing right, labels becoming limits. I gained 13 pounds, which is a, I mean, that's a lot on a 5'5" frame. I was juicy. I wasn't fat, like I had to reframe, right? I was juicy. And I have to tell you, my little eight year old son would come and pat my butt every day. He's like, Oh, mommy, you're bummed, you know? And it was like, so funny. I was like, I was juicy. He was loving the juice. But anyway, and my husband do, not just my little eight year old son, but I remember at the end of these four weeks, you know, they talk about gains, right? Because we were lifting like I was trying to put on muscle, but you have to put on a little bit of fat to do that, but I was trying to put on muscle. And the biggest gains that I had in the last four weeks had nothing to do with my physicality and had everything to do with my mentality, because I was going on a cruise with my daughter, and it was the first time in my entire life that I wasn't the leanest one on the trip, that I didn't have my six pack. And I had a decision. I had to decide, because that was my identity, that's who I always was, right? And I had to decide, am I going to hide? Am I going to cover up? Am I not going to be in pictures? Because I quote-unquote, don't feel like my best self, or don't feel as confident in my skin per se. I had to make a conscious decision, because I know that I am more than my body, my spirit is bigger than any vessel that I could be wearing for whatever reason, because there may come a point in my life when I'm sick and I can't exercise, or I'm injured or and I can't and I can only do whatever it is that I can do. And I remember going on that trip and I wore all the swimming suits. I made it a point to take every single picture. Why? Because I would want my daughter to do the same thing. And I wanted my daughter to see that I can have just as much confidence in myself being 13 pounds heavier or 13 pounds lighter, and it doesn't change who I am. It doesn't change my value. It doesn't change how I show up with other people in conversations or on a cruise, and we did all the water slides and the tallest water slide in the world, and all those things together. And I know somebody listening might be like, man, like we're kind of talking a lot about bodies, you know, but for me, that was a turning point in my life.

Lesley Logan 36:58  

Well. And here's the thing, like, if that's not their behemoth, then of the other six things that you have, it might be something different for someone else. Maybe they grew up in a family where they were always more than their bodies. I'm thinking back to you guys to listen to the episodes with Jenny Schatzle. She is all about changing the conversation, and she's like, wear the damn bathing suit. Just wear it. Just wear it. Don't miss out on life and experiences because of, like, where you are on the scale. And she always she also has a thing where she's like, don't miss out on 95% of life to weigh five pounds less. So I hear you, because that would be a behemoth for me than the journey that I've had. So I feel much better about being more than my body today at 41 but it took me a long time. And so for those who are like, that's not you, go back and listen to the other things she said and see which one is harder, because that might be your behemoth. And I think it's okay to put at the end, so that you can get the confidence of all the other things, of who you are and what you are, and being selfmore, and maybe being selfmore is your behemoth. But doing all that, I think it's beautiful. I mean, we could talk for hours, because I think it's really beautiful what you're doing. And I do think like changing the next generation comes from changing the generation that you are now. How the parents are raising the children is what the children are going to take out there. So anyways, we're going to quickly take a break and then find out where people can find you, follow you, work with you and your Be It Action Items. 

All right, Traci, where can they get this list and more information so that they can work on this for themselves? 

Traci Peterson 38:26  

Yes, oh my goodness. So I'm going to give anybody who wants it access to a proven method to regenerate your energy and learn to make better boundaries and keep those boundaries. So it's called My Energy Generator Guide. So we'll include that in the show notes. But you can also go to Tracipeterson.com so Traci's with an I, Peterson's with an O-N and get all the information about our mother daughter retreats coming up that we do. If you're a high-performing mom with a daughter between the ages of nine and 12, we would love to see you. We do our events out in Utah. It's gorgeous. It's beautiful. We have an event in June. I know by the time this airs, we'll have our next one coming up in June. So we would love, love, love to see you. But also, on my podcast, we have a podcast called Woman Lessons podcast, how to be and raise a truly confident woman. So I love, Lesley, I just love your platform. I mean, you have to, you know, see it to be it. And going back to what you just said before, I believe that the greatest gift we can give our children is the gift of a mother who believes in herself and goes after her dreams. 

Lesley Logan 39:33  

1000% 1000%. 

So the bold, executable, intrinsic target steps it can take to be it till we see it. I mean, if you're a mom, it's that. But what other tips do you have for us?

Traci Peterson 39:50  

Well, in that Energy Generator Guide that you can find down in the show notes, it is a step by step guide for you to go through. Because if you've ever felt overwhelmed, if you felt burnt out as a mom, this guide literally walks you through step by step by step. So it talks about writing down your top three values and how to get to those in a very succinct manner, and then calendaring those into your calendar. And then three, this is the sticker, is how to have a conversation with your family, with your spouse, with your children, about your said values. Because sometimes I think we know what we value, or, hey, we want to go to the gym again, so I'm going to the gym. But there's conversations that sometimes need to happen, explaining the why behind why you're doing it, so that you can get those people on board. And what's awesome about this energy generator guide is you can then turn around and do it for your daughters. They can walk through it, identifying their top three values. And guess what Moms, it's going to be surprising, because they might be doing some things that they don't really love because they just think you want them to, and it's really not serving them best. And so it opens up that doorway of how to have that conversation. And we call it a values check in. It's like a key statement, Hey, Mom, can we do a values check in? And it's, what is your calendar look like? What activities are we involved in and are these serving you on a higher level? And if they're not, what adjustments do we need to make in order for you to be living in alignment with those values? Because that's how they're going to feel fulfilled and happy, and that's how you're going to feel fulfilled and happy as a woman, and you want to make sure to pass that right along to them, but it's very much like a sequential step by step, and it might feel a little robotic at first, and that's okay, because many of us have never even done it before. Many of us don't even think that we deserve to take time to do something for ourselves. And so it really lines it out beautifully and in a succinct, actionable way. But it's a whole worksheet. Literally, it's the entire it's not only the worksheet, but it's five different steps in a worksheet format. So you can literally do it right away. 

Lesley Logan 42:09  

Oh, I love all these things, and I think this is so fun. So thank you for this vulnerable, authentic conversation. I feel like there's a lot of women, even if they're not moms, like nodding along. So hey, ladies, you have to share this with your mom friends. This is how they need to hear this. And even if you don't have daughters, like, check in with your values and make sure they're in your calendar like that is something I say all the time. So that is how you be it till you see it, by the way. If your values are not in your calendar, you will not see any of the things you want to be it doesn't work like that. So Traci, thank you so much. Everyone, share this podcast with a friend who needs it, and then make sure that you let Tracy know what your takeaways were. Tag her on Instagram. Tag the Be It Pod. We can't wait to hear how you be it till you see it. And thank you so much. 

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 43:35  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 43:40  

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Brad Crowell 43:44  

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Lesley Logan 43:51  

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Brad Crowell 43:54  

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Lesley Logan kicks off the second FYF of the year with a celebration of progress, no matter the size. Hear inspiring wins from a dedicated listener who overcame challenges to build a thriving business, even amidst personal trials. Lesley also shares her commitment to self-care after a whirlwind tour, reminding us that small acts of self-prioritization are worth celebrating. Tune in for motivation to keep moving forward and celebrate your journey, step by step.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

 

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Incredible achievement of scaling the world’s 14 highest peaks and the inspiration it offers.
• Joanne’s inspiring journey of balancing personal trials and professional success.
• The importance of celebrating small acts of self-care as meaningful wins.
• A reminder to acknowledge progress, even amidst life’s challenges.
• The power of keeping momentum with a forward-focused mindset.

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• Adriana Brownlee - https://beitpod.com/drianrownlee
• Move Free From Pain by Joanne Sutton - https://a.co/d/fdPzGbs

 

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Lesley Logan 0:01  

Fuck yeah. 

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Hello. Be It babe. Welcome back to another Friday. Oh my God, we're already in the second Friday of this year. And you know what I'm gonna say? I'm gonna say what everyone's saying, the year is flying by. Thank God. You know what? Whether it's good or it's bad, sometimes it's good that we're just flying through it, as long as you're taking time for yourself. And I will say you should celebrate listening to this episode as a win, because this episode is the time where we celebrate people's wins. When we celebrate people's wins, we are being present. We are taking time to hold space for the work and effort that other people have done, including ourselves. Because sometimes you'll hear your own FYF, and it's inspiring to hear what people are doing, which is why we added a new segment in because I want to just shout out like women who've inspired me on the internet, including yourself. It could be you one day, it could be you, who knows. So don't worry, these will stay short, but this one is 23-year-old Adriana Brownlee becomes the youngest woman to scale the world's 14 highest peaks. So we've actually interviewed the first woman to ever scale this top seven K2s. But this woman scaled the 14 highest peak, which is like not even one per continent. It probably could be multiple in a continent. So Adriana Brownlee quit university and decided to climb mountains instead, big mountains. And she has ticked off the boxes as in the world's tallest mountains. The 23-year-old eventually became the youngest woman to climb the world's 14 highest peaks. Let this be a reminder, all paths are different. Choose yours, trust it and work hard. Yes, yes, I'm into that. Yes, I love that so much. I mean, my goodness, university is great for people it's great for. And whatever you are out there doing on this earth, whatever you're trying to educate yourself for, whatever you're working on, is great. We all get to have different paths. And we can be inspired by others. And sometimes you can be so inspired you're like, why that sounds cool. I want to do that. And if Adriana does that for you, fabulous. And if not, freak, that's so cool. 23 years old, and she did that. I mean, may we all do something that challenges us in a great way. And if school isn't challenging for you, you can do something else. 

Lesley Logan 2:45  

All right, so today's win of yours, this one I'm really excited about. We haven't heard from this person in a bit, which you'll hear why, and I want you to see yourself in this win, because I know that many of you listening are dealing with things at home that we know nothing about, and they're not taking a few days, they could be taking a few years. So Joanne Sutton, she's an Agency member for many years. She lives in Australia, and she said, for the past three and a half years, I've been caring for my mom, who has serious health issues. This year, she has been hospitalized five times in seven months, and her last day was seven weeks when I visited her twice daily and took her food. After an amazing call with LL, I'm celebrating what I have still been able to achieve in my business during this very stressful and exhausting time, including being woken up multiple times during the night. If you have a lot going on in your life, hopefully you can see what is still possible. Many times, I wanted to give up, but I've still managed to write a fortnightly blog post and newsletter, keep teaching my one-on-one clients virtually via Skype. And last week, I taught 29 clients, the most I've ever taught for many, many months, had the second largest quarter financially in July, August and September, since I started teaching virtually four and a half years ago, and my mom was in the hospital during this quarter. Wrote a book about becoming pain-free through Pilates that launched on Amazon in February of this year and became a bestseller. Filmed two videos per month for my on demand library. I'm so grateful to be an agency member. I know I couldn't have continued to all of this without the support of LL, Brad and the Agency team. Joanne, you have freaking done a lot. And yes, she has a bestselling book, and it's really, really amazing. You should check her out. It's hard when things are going on that are outside of your thing that you're working on, you're like, come on, I'm working on this thing over here. And then we can feel bad about feeling resentful, and we can feel exhausted and we can wonder, but you know what, what's kind of crazy is when you're really busy and you have goals, you still manage to get things done. You just don't always have a time to celebrate it. So I just want to say, Joanne, thank you for taking time to celebrate with us so that we can all go, Oh my God. I have had some crappy shit going on the last seven months, and I still managed to do that. That's what this episode is for. That's what it's for. So thank you. 

Lesley Logan 4:45  

All right, quick win of mine, I have been home for not even 24 hours by the time that this actually releases, maybe just 24 hours, and I'm so proud. The first thing I'm doing is getting a Pilates session in. I did that today. Getting my hair done. Yes, a win can be just self-care. It can actually just be showing up, because, you know what? I have a million things to do, so much to catch up on. I could tell you, when I'm on tour, I can barely keep up with a lot of the work that I normally do. I can only basically do the promo of the tour, teach the tour, and then sleep and hopefully get my workout in right. There's not a lot I could do outside of that, because it's just really hard to take calls. There's no signal. Sometimes internet doesn't work. Everything takes a little longer than you want, and so when I come back, I could literally go through the 17 million packages that showed up while we were gone, but we're not instead, I did my Pilates session, getting my hair done. Win, win, win. That's me. So you guys, it is my birthday month. I will have more wins coming up as I celebrate 42 but we're not there yet. 

Lesley Logan 5:44  

So today I'm going to end this with your affirmation, keep moving forward. Keep moving forward. I don't know where this deck is. This one was gifted to me by Monica Linda, one of my dearest friends, and it's just keep moving forward. So, thank you all so much. You know what to do until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 6:06  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 6:49  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 6:54  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 6:58  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 7:05  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 7:09  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

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Brad Crowell and guest co-host, Clare Solly, explore key insights from Lesley’s conversation with Chriss Janssen, life coach and author of Grace Yourself: How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want. They discuss how to stop tying happiness to outside approval, why adaptability fuels success, and the power of showing up despite perfectionism or setbacks. Listen in to learn how to refocus on commitments and sidestep self-sabotage.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

 

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Why linking happiness to others’ approval sets you up for failure
• How to be flexible in handling life’s unexpected twists.
• Focusing on commitments instead of fleeting motivation.
• Adjusting rules to serve your outcome instead of hindering it.
• Remembering your 'why' when the going gets tough.

Episode References/Links:

• Cambodia February 2025 Retreat - https://lesleylogan.co/retreats
• Cambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.com 
• Flashcards Waitlist - https://opc.me/flashcardwaitlist
• Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator - https://prfit.biz/accelerator
• Lesley's Birthday Surprise - https://opc.me/birthday
• Chris Janssen Coaching – https://chrisjanssencoaching.com
• Clare Solly – https://claresolly.com

 

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Episode Transcript:

Brad Crowell 0:00  

We should ditch the rule of "I'm measuring my happiness based on how people like me." Ditch the rule and just go after the outcome of "I'm going to be happy."

Lesley Logan 0:13  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Brad Crowell 0:55  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap, obviously, I'm Brad here today with a very special guest of ours who's stepping in for LL, Clare Solly, one of Lesley's best friends, who has been both a guest on the pod and been a recap host many times now, she's an author and actor. She's LL's slingshot friend, if you remember from Episode 19. She lives in New York City and generally kicks ass and takes names. Clare, welcome, welcome back.

Clare Solly 1:23  

Thank you. Thank you. The kicking ass list is very long these days, so I'm glad to be here. I'm so excited. I love this pod. And you know, long time listener and I'm always delighted to jump in.

Brad Crowell 1:36  

Well, thanks for doing that. Today, we're going to dig into the grounded conversation that LL had with Chris Janssen in our last episode. If you have not yet listened to that, feel free to pause this today, right now. Go back, listen to that, then come back and join us. Honestly, it's an incredibly heartfelt episode. She comes across as so kind and thoughtful.

Clare Solly 1:56  

Yeah, I just want to, like, get a blanket and snuggle in and, like, listen to her talk.

Brad Crowell 2:00  

Yeah, and I'm very intrigued by her book. I'm intrigued by her journey. It's worth going back checking that out. But before we get started today, we got a couple things. Clare, why don't you tell us about today? 

Clare Solly 2:12  

WNational Word Nerditations, everyone, officially, Today is January 9th and it's National Word Nerd Day, which, if you know me in person, I totally am a word nerd. We celebrate National Word Nerd Day by enthusing about our favorite words, which is magnanimous and the importance of language in our culture, and whether you know what to say or always have a foot in your mouth, words are essential to success and progress, and word nerd day gives us the opportunity to learn some new words. So go flip to a page in the dictionary and find a word you don't know and celebrate Word Nerd Day.

Brad Crowell 2:49  

Yeah, I love that. I just typed what new word should I learn today? And (inaudible). Okay, okay, this is kind of funny. All right. Berate, this is Google's AI, berate, beseech, bestow, cease, butthurt. Really? I didn't know that was formally a word now. I thought it was two words. Apparently it's one word.

Clare Solly 3:19  

There you go. Learn something new everyday.

Brad Crowell 3:21  

Humblebrag, one word, apparently. I thought that was two words. Touch grass. That is two words, come on Google, fail, fail, fail. That's hilarious. I'm all about words myself. I think my vocabulary grew dramatically because I was a avid reader when I was a kid, and it's so funny. I just started listening to another book, and I had to slow it down because the author is on another level of words and our normal vernacular that we use all the time. I can listen to that at like, times two times three speed, and I can process the information, no problem. But I cannot listen (inaudible).

Clare Solly 4:00  

(inaudible) so you have to process at high rate of speed.

Brad Crowell 4:04  

But it's funny, because I had to slow it down to like, one five and I was like, man, it's been a long time since I listened to a book this slow, because he's using words that I have to think about before I can understand what he said. And then when you're trying to do that, you missed the next thing. I'm a big fan. I love it. I think reading will change all that. But before we get to Chris Janssen and we got a couple amazing things, here's what's coming up in the LL, the Brad future and the dogs here, although they don't get to join us for this first thing, we're going back to Cambodia in February. 

Clare Solly 4:34  

Yay. 

Brad Crowell 4:36  

Yeah, I'm so excited to just slip out of (inaudible) Lesley and I are gonna hop on a plane. We're gonna fly over there and prep everything for our upcoming retreat. We have an incredible group of amazing women coming with us, and one good man actually it's the son, so it's gonna be a mom-son coming. Yeah, that's gonna be really cool. And apparently he's a traveler, as it is, so I think mom's very excited that the two of them are gonna be able to share this trip together. But February is only, I think, five weeks away right now. There is still time to come. If that's something you're interested in doing. I know it's a bit short for an international trip to the other side of the world, so we have just made the announcement that Cambodia in October is also going to be happening, but it's only being announced to people who are on the waitlist. Since you're listening to this, and you might not be on the waitlist. I'm going to tell you how to find it. Go to crowsnestretreats.com crowsnestretreats.com and you will actually see all the information on there. We are running a special offer. So if you're curious about what that actually looks like, it will be on the October retreat. There is a window for that, so don't wait. Go check that out right now. As you heard us talking about through November and December, Lesley was in Los Angeles doing the accessories, flash card deck photo shoot. And man, it was the journey. We crashed with some friends that were like five minutes away from the studio, and Lesley spent an entire week busting up the guillotine. I mean, it was crazy. All the things. We had some amazing photo shoots there, and it was a lot of fun. And we can't wait to share those with you on the upcoming deck that's going to be coming out during the summer, this summer, for the accessories flash card deck. It's the last one of six decks. Go to opc.me/flashcardwaitlist opc.me/flashcardwaitlist, and we'll give you the biggest hookup that we ever offer for people, only the people on the waitlist get the hook up on this, and it's a nice discount. So make sure you do that now. This is my world here. If you are feeling stuck in your Pilates business, I can't wait to share with you three massive secrets that Lesley and I have learned after coaching more than 2500 businesses, small businesses just like you over the past seven years, because Profitable Pilates just turned seven this month. I can't even believe that. 

Clare Solly 6:48  

Wow. 

Brad Crowell 6:49  

I'm now offering a webinar. It's been amazing to share this information and also just connect with additional Pilates business owners and fitness business owners. But if you're feeling stuck with your money, if you're feeling stuck with getting new clients, then come join me. This is a free webinar. Go to prfit.biz/accelerator. That's profit without the O, dot biz slash accelerator. And come join me for a free webinar. I'd love to meet you and see how we can support you in what you're trying to do. And then lastly, it's going to be Lesley's birthday at the end of this month. And as you all know, we always make a big deal out of it at the end of January. So stay tuned, because there might just be something special happening over at OPC. Join the countdown. Go to opc.me/birthday, and you'll be the first to get the big reveal. That's opc.me/birthday, but first and finally, before we get to Chris Janssen, Clare, we had an audience question, and the audience was an audience of one. It was the audience of Lesley, and she's like, I'm writing a question for Clare to answer. So what are your goals, and do you set them for 2025?

Clare Solly 8:01  

You know, it's hysterical. It's hysterical that she asked this question of me, and I feel like she sort of set me up to say it, because for years, she and I have talked about like we we don't make New Year's resolutions. We don't make goals. 

Brad Crowell 8:13  

Clearly, she knew this. 

Clare Solly 8:14  

We don't make resolutions, but we do, you know, we have, I think for me, like we used to say it was a goal, and now it's like a focus. I am trying to be more present in my life and just sit in my humanness and go, I'm here to live and to breathe them into experience and whatever. And I actually saw something at the very end of the year, and it was like, go get a jar and at the end of every week, write on a piece of paper, something good that happened to you this week, and then on New Year's Eve at the end of the year go through, or New Year's Day, go through and read all the things I'm not good.

Brad Crowell 8:49  

That's like the coolest advent calendar that isn't an advent calendar. 

Clare Solly 8:53  

Right? I'm not necessarily good at doing, like, the weekly journal entries, or those ones where, like, you have a journal, where you, like, write a sentence every day for five years. Like, I always think that it's a good idea. And then, you know (inaudible).

Clare Solly 9:04  

But then in practice, life lives. 

Clare Solly 9:07  

But I'm gonna put this on, like, in my kitchen so I see it every morning, or I'll make it my Sunday thing. I'll sit down and I'll write out, like, something good that happened. Like, I'll put it maybe an alarm in my calendar or something. 

Brad Crowell 9:18  

That's what I was just gonna say. If it's not on my calendar. It does not happen. And then I also, I use Hey Siri all the time, and she's going to talk to me now, because I just said that, yep. I just say, you know, remind me. And you can make a reminder in your phone. You can make it a weekly, recurring thing. And I believe with the new release on iOS, it actually just inserts it into your calendar as well. 

Clare Solly 9:41  

That'll be, yeah, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna try that. We'll see how it goes. You can have me back next January, and we'll talk about that. 

Brad Crowell 9:48  

We'll keep you posted. That's really cool, because what an awesome tool. And here's what's cool about that, too. It doesn't have to just be like, Okay, throw those ones out and start next year's. You could actually keep those. You could put those, the way I'm imagining it, if you're putting them into a jar, then maybe they're on like, a long, thin piece of paper. You could eventually just put those into a book, you know, and then that could become your journal. Five years from now, you got five years of those once a week. You got 250 of them. I mean, what an amazing way to celebrate life.

Clare Solly 10:21  

And it's funny too, because it's like there are some things we go through day to day that are or week by week, that are little wins, or that feel like they were a gigantic thing this week. But like, you look back in hindsight and you're like, okay, great, I did that. Or you can't even remember when you did it, so I don't know. So now (inaudible). 

Brad Crowell 10:40  

I just imagine passing that along years from now, you know. Like I'm thinking, what if my grandparents did that, you know? And I'm like, I've got this weird window until like 1953, you know, that could be really cool. Anyway, I love it. I think that's a really clever idea. I think the more that we.

Clare Solly 11:00  

Celebrate little things? 

Brad Crowell 11:02  

I was gonna say New Year's resolutions just get me annoyed. We are fighting perfectionism, and I think that the new year's resolution sets us up for failure, because if life lives and something jacks up the week and you forgot to do the thing, what is the first inclination? Blame yourself. I fucked it up again. And instead of that, I feel like I like the guidelines or the goals, you know that aren't this like, I'm gonna start exercising every day. I'm gonna quit drinking for the month of January. I'm gonna whatever it is. I think when we set it as like this concrete thing, it ends up becoming just one more rule that we have to live by.

Clare Solly 11:40  

I mean, I think it's a nice idea, especially for those of us in the northern hemisphere where it's very cold and it's winter, we have nothing else to do but to like, focus on ourselves. But there's only so much nasal gazing, navel, I sound (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 11:55  

How do we gaze up our nasal? 

Clare Solly 11:57  

Navel-gazing that you can do before it becomes like you're just picking at a scab and you're that perfectionist still trying to chip away, and it's like I am who I am at this point. And yes, there are things that could be tweaked, and there are ways I could be healthier, and there are ways that I could do better, but honestly appreciating who I am now. And we always say meeting someone else where they are, but meeting myself where I am right now. Like, let's go there, let's have that (inaudible) 2025 so.

Brad Crowell 12:28  

Hey I love that. That's a good New Year's resolution. Let's meet ourselves where we are. 

Clare Solly 12:32  

Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 12:35  

I love it. Okay, stick around. We'll be right back, and we're gonna get into Lesley's interview with Chris Janssen. 

Brad Crowell 12:42  

All right, now let's talk about Chris Janssen. Chris Janssen is a life coach and author who specializes in assisting high-achieving perfectionists in navigating performance pressure, overcoming self-sabotage and rewriting personal narratives. Her second book, Grace Yourself: How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want, offers practical tools and exercises to help individuals find meaning in life's uncomfortable events. Passionate about making transformation accessible. Chris guides people through the process of personal growth, empowering them to achieve the life they desire. I love it. 

Clare Solly 13:20  

It was a great, great podcast, like I took so much away from it. So this is gonna, you know, buckle up, go back and listen to it again, like it was so good. One thing she said I really loved was high-achieving perfectionists attach meaning to life, to events and circumstances that are beyond our control. That, again, Lesley and I both claim to be recovering people-pleasers and perfectionists. So the fact that, yes, we attach so much, you know, we tried to go to the grocery store today, and instead we had to answer a phone call or family dropped over. You know, we just had holidays, right? So it's like, so many unexpected things happen, and then arguments arise, conversations arise, and you weren't necessarily ready to handle those because it was the holidays, and you just wanted to be like, happy and live through all that. Or we just talked about goals and resolutions, right? You set out to have a goal and a resolution and life lives, and you just can't stick with what new you know? 

Brad Crowell 14:24  

Or something gets in the way and it blocks that is out of your control. And I think one of the things that Lesley said during the interview was really relevant to the people that we get to coach. She said that, okay, cool. Now my next goal is I'm gonna go out and get four new clients, and that's not in our control. We can certainly do all the things to put ourselves in a position to receive new clients and to connect with people, but we can't make the decision for them to actually be our client. Right? So if we're like, I didn't get four new clients, then you feel like a failure, but that shouldn't necessarily be the thing that, you know, like, what you can control is your messaging, the effort you put in getting it out there, putting yourself in the place where you're going to meet those people. You can control those things, but you can't control them being like, yes, right? 

Clare Solly 15:20  

You can control your output and your reaction, but that's all you can control. Other people rolling around this life are having their own journey, and they have all their own life lifeing happening. I'm feeling that Brad, by the way.

Brad Crowell 15:32  

And timing is so much a part of it. Yeah, yeah, steal it out. Steal away. I don't know where what that, that just happened on the pod at one point, but I don't remember the specific moment. But yeah, I think, you know, there's a lot of shame and guilt associated with failure that isn't necessarily failure, because we can't control those things. So anyway, it's one of those things that we don't actually put our finger on very often, where we're like, hey, wait a minute. I don't have the final say in the events that have unfolded here, but we still blame ourselves for it. So I thought that was really profound, too. I really dug when she was talking about that we make it impossibly difficult to succeed in getting what we want, yet tragically easy to fail at getting what we want. So think about that. We make it impossibly difficult to succeed, yet tragically easy to fail at getting what you want. And she said, yeah, let's talk about happiness. So the rule you set for yourself is to be happy, and the way that you determine your happiness is that people will like you, if people like you, then you're going to be happy. Right? So this goes right back to what we were just talking about, you know, where we don't have control over it, in that the validation that we're looking for, the validation that we're trying to, to what we've defined as success, isn't available for us to lock down, right? That's like setting ourselves up for failure, exactly like she's saying here. We'll make it tragically easy to fail. If that's our measuring stick for being happy, then we're really screwed. But it's funny how often that we do that to ourselves. Chris said something that I wanted her to say, like, two or three more times in a row. Just say it over and over again. We should ditch the rule of, "I'm measuring my happiness based on how people like me." Ditch the rule, and just go after the outcome of, "I'm going to be happy." Right? And that's going to allow us to get all those other things out of the way. I mean, this could be success, right? Like sales, I have to keep selling. This could be again, clients. Our worthiness is determined based on the performance that we're doing or the people that we're helping. That's our measuring stick. What happens after you've taught Pilates for 50 years and you can't teach anymore? What does that mean for you at that point in your life? You know, it's so interesting. This comes down to identity, you know, and what we tie to how we define ourselves internally, and then something will change, you know, what if there's an accident and you can't be doing the things that you're doing anymore, or what if something comes through that changes?

Clare Solly 18:24  

Yeah. And sometimes we change. Sometimes we realize our dreams and our goals are not what we wanted to do. Lesley talks about this all the time, yeah. When I met her, she was going in a direction, and her life changed, and she realized she couldn't go in that direction anymore. And sometimes you can't base your happiness on that measuring stick, right? You have to be both flexible and focused at the same time, but the flexibility sometimes is more important and living life, seeing what rises up for you. 

Brad Crowell 18:55  

Yeah, yeah, totally. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into those Be It Action Items. All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. Say with me here. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from Lesley's convo with Chris Janssen? I'm gonna jump right in here. She said hey, stick to your commitments. Don't wait for motivation or inspiration. Commit to it. Get in action and just do it. There'll be seasons or days or times when we don't feel like showing up, but that's when we're going to show up anyway and stick to those commitments. So she's talking about sobriety, right? And one thing that I found was so powerful is she said, hey, the perspective needs to be flipped. It's not oh my god, I have to be sober now. Instead, it's, Oh, I get to be sober, you know? And I thought, wow, what an amazing way to look at it, because it gives you permission to be sober. In fact, it's a joy to be sober in that perspective. And when the challenge comes along of, oh, I wish I was drinking or I want to have a drink right now. Now, instead of it being a negative, oh, I just, I have to be fucking sober right now. Instead, it's a positive, no, no, I get to be sober, and that really will help you stick to your commitment. That was super powerful. 

Clare Solly 20:25  

Yeah, I agree. I like that she mentioned focus on your commitments over your craving. So focus on what you want in life. Focus on what you are trying to get and trying to get to. You know, not necessarily that end goal, but what does today look like, and to tweak the tactics and not the goal. So how do I get from point A to B if I can't use the bridge? How do I drive from my house to the grocery store if I can't get to the bridge? Or how? How can I get from the job that I'm in now to being a Pilates instructor without sacrificing my entire life, you know, again, or sobriety, like we have many, many, many options here. Also, I just want to flag. I love that she has been not sober once, but twice. And I love when people come forward with these stories, that we as humans can just sit there in humanness and not necessarily have to live the life that she did, but understanding through her failure, and then reading this book or hearing her talk, and just realize we we don't have to go backwards. Just keep going for I like that she used the word grit, too. Just keep pushing through and get to where you need to go. And whether that's you've experienced it yourself, you're listening to somebody else's experience something parallel to what you're living in. And love that. And I love that. She said something else too, that it's a small shift to get to where you need to be extraordinary. So just loved this. Loved it. 

Brad Crowell 21:48  

I like how these two things kind of go together. It's almost like this yours is like the step before sticking to the commitment. If understanding the permission structure and the framing structure helps you stick to your commitments. Then when that challenge comes along and you're focused on your craving, I want this thing. I need this thing. Or my perfectionism, I have to have it perfectly correct. There is still a moment in there. We have to identify that you're in that moment. And that's when she says, Hey, you have to focus on your commitments. And it's easier to focus on your commitments if you also understand why you're doing it. You mentioned that she was sober two times. When she got sober, the first time, she said, well, there wasn't this rock bottom of like, oh my God, everything exploded. She said, I felt like I needed to do this, and I had kids coming, and that was a enough of a catalyst to make it happen. But then 14 years later, when her kids were in their teens, she was like, I can't really remember why I got sober, because it wasn't this like explosive event in her world that blew everything up. And then when she decided to drink again, that's actually when things went down pretty hard, and she said she did have a rock bottom, and fortunately, she, you know, has someone in her life who was able to support her through that, her spouse, but she said focusing on her why? Yeah, probably would have kept her from choosing to drink again in the 14 years later, because she had forgotten the sparkle of the why that moment. You know, I think that's also another amazing thing that will help you stick to your commitments, is focusing on your why. 

Brad Crowell 21:49  

So, listen, y'all, we think you're amazing. Thanks so much for being here today. I'm Brad Crowell. 

Clare Solly 22:35  

And I'm Clare Solly. 

Brad Crowell 22:57  

Thanks so much for joining. If you want to hear more from Clare, follow her at claresolly.com, that's C-L-A-R-E-S-O-L-L-Y.com. We're so grateful you're here. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know by sending a DM to the pod on Instagram, or leave us a comment on YouTube, or just text us, and we will catch you in the next episode. And don't forget to Be It Till You See It. 

Clare Solly 24:02  

Bye.

Lesley Logan 24:04  

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Lesley Logan interviews Chris Janssen, life coach and author of Grace Yourself: How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want. Chris shares her inspiring journey of overcoming perfectionism and addiction to create a fulfilling, purpose-driven life. Learn practical tools to build resilience, reframe self-sabotage, and unlock your potential for extraordinary growth.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Chris’ writing journey and the importance of vulnerability in storytelling.
• How perfectionism shaped her struggles with addiction and personal growth.
• Identifying and breaking unhealthy self-imposed rules for success.
• Reframing obstacles by tweaking tactics, not giving up on desired outcomes.
• Differentiating healthy guilt from harmful shame in overcoming setbacks.
• Lessons from relapse and strategies to rebuild commitment.

Episode References/Links:

• Chris Janssen Coaching – https://chrisjanssencoaching.com
• Grace Yourself Book Release Feb. 18 – https://graceyourselfbook.com
• Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/chris3janssen
• Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/chrisjanssencoaching
• LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisjanssencoaching

Guest Bio:

Chris Janssen, MA, BCC, is a leading results coach in performance and mindset and bestselling, award-winning author of "Living All In: How to Show Up for the Life You Want." She has worked with hundreds of sought-after professional athletes, singers, dancers, Hollywood writers, artists, authors, soldiers, entrepreneurs, and small businesses internationally to close the gap between where they are and where they want to be. In addition to her academic degrees, Chris was trained by and worked with Tony Robbins on his team of results coaches, the #1 personal development and peak performance strategy company in the world. As a board-certified coach, Chris excels in helping high-achieving perfectionists navigate performance pressure, overcome self-sabotage, re-write narratives, & attach meaning to life events & circumstances beyond our control, through utilizing her successful and sustainable Living All In methods. With a master’s in counseling psychology and 25+ years’ experience, Chris is widely regarded by entrepreneurs and creatives. Her 2nd book, "Grace Yourself: How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want" is available now for pre-order. By pre-ordering you'll immediately receive bonus content Chris created for you and is only making available between now and launch day on March 18, 2025! A California native, Chris lives with her husband since 1995, Scott. They are currently Caliradoans, spliing time between Los Angeles and Castle Pines, Colorado, where they love to ski, golf, be with their horses, and adventure outside. Together they raised three children, now thriving young adults.

 

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Episode Transcript:

Chris Janssen 0:00  

It is a lot easier to stay sober than to get sober. So I tried it again. I'm an achiever, so I kept thinking. I got this. I can do it. In the book I do share about the last time alcohol got the best of me. I mean, I was passed out and on the ground if my husband wasn't there, I don't know if I would. I mean, it just completely obliterated me.

Lesley Logan 0:24  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:05  

All right, Be It babe. I'm super excited because today's guest, I got to meet in person. You know those moments where you kind of make eye contact with someone, and then later on, you end up in the exact same room as them, and you're like, hey, I already met you, right? So it's kind of like those romcom movies, where they pass each other on the train or whatever, and then they're like in the meeting, right? So Chris Janssen is our guest today. She is the author of the newest, most amazing book called Grace yourself. And I'm just really excited to have this conversation with you, Chris, but I also am so glad we got to meet, we got to have dinner together, like we just kept hanging out all weekend long in Nashville. So Chris, tell everyone who you are and what you rock at. 

Chris Janssen 1:45  

Oh, I'm so happy I met you, I'm so happy I know you, so happy to be on the show. Yeah, I am a life coach, and I have been loving writing books. This is my second book. So really, what I do is I help high-achieving perfectionists navigate performance pressure, overcome self-sabotage, rewrite narratives, that's a big part of what I do, and attach meaning to life events and circumstances, usually those circumstances outside of our control, right? So that's really my niche, and what I love doing, and what I'm very good at. And the books help people do that, and they're full of tools and exercises too, because we all know it's a good idea to do that, but then how do you do it? So I walk people through how to.

Lesley Logan 2:29  

Yeah. Okay, so first of all, I think every listener's ears perked up when you just basically said all the labels that they, this is them, high-achieving, high-performing perfectionism. And I think some of those times, we don't want people to know that about us, so we like to hide those labels as well. And I think we can talk more about that when we get into your book. You've now written two. Can we talk a little about the journey of writing? Because I think a lot of people have a story to share, and something I love about the way you write, I feel like I was sitting down with you the way you write. It's not just conversational. You are sharing your story, but also, I love how you are anticipating what your reader might even be thinking before they think it. So can we talk a little about the journey to write and writing your story specifically? Because that's hard to do. You're sharing things that like, I don't know, maybe people want to keep quiet about themselves. So Kim, how did you do that? How did you go, yeah, here's all the things that I did.

Chris Janssen 3:26  

Yeah, it's embarrassing. Part of it's my age. I'm 55 my kids are all in their 20s, and I, part of it is I don't care as much as I used to when I was in my 30s. Thank you for saying that. I hear that a lot, that my books, my writing, is very conversational. I've always loved writing since I was a little girl. I wanted to be a famous lyricist in Nashville like I wanted to write, but I have no musical talent whatsoever. I can't even clap on beat in church. So that didn't pan out.

Lesley Logan 3:59  

I understand that, too. I used to wait for people to clap and I go okay, let me get on their beat.

Chris Janssen 4:07  

Yeah, oh, I know my husband's like, holds my hands at church. Okay, now. Yeah. I actually, years and years ago, went to a few writing conferences, and I made a stab at writing fiction like fantasy. It was horrific. I was terrible. So I like reading books. But then after I became a coach, I thought, I want all this written down. I won't be here forever, so I'd love this written down, mostly for my kids. And I really, truly love my clients. I love them. So when I'm writing, I'm definitely writing to my clients, and that helps a lot any writer. I was just coaching a writer and saying, you know, this is more about who you're talking to than letting us know your story, and once you're doing that, you're able to be more vulnerable and share the parts of, for me, I could share the parts of myself that, yeah, I would think, theoretically, they'd be pretty embarrassing to share if I'm sharing them, because it's going to help somebody else come out of the dark and take the shame off their stuff. Definitely, I'm going to share it. And then, of course, when I was done writing, I thought, oh my gosh, what have I done? I don't want anyone to read it. But then that passed too, because it's important. It was put on my heart to write in this book, brace yourself, the subtitle's How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want. And it's really mostly about overcoming self-sabotage and being a perfectionist in order to help people with that, I do share how I used to be addicted to alcohol, and I'm not anymore, and how being a high achiever, being a perfectionist played into those habits that were really bad for me. 

Lesley Logan 5:54  

When I was reading the first chapters of your book, guys, I got the sneak peek. First of all, I sat and read them at lunch. So again, that conversationality was, like, really easy for me to flow through and and read that. But why I think it's exciting to talk to you today is I actually think that you could almost insert alcohol and sobriety from any kind of addiction, because the way you talk about is going to spoil (inaudible) I think it's like chapter two, you're like, I had a spreadsheet and I would measure it and I wouldn't do it after five. I had to be after five o'clock, and I, or so on the weekends, I had all these rules. And I was like, I know too many women who do that with food, or they do that with shopping, or they do it with lots of different things. If I have all these rules and it's all under my control, then I can't be an addiction that's controlling me, and clearly that's the story we're telling ourselves.

Chris Janssen 6:46  

Exactly, yeah, and that's a big coaching tool of mine is helping people with the rules they have for getting what they want. The rules are messed up. By the rules we set for ourselves, this is all in the book, we make it impossibly difficult to succeed in getting what we want and tragically easy to fail at getting what we want, right? Let's say, just also pick an easy one. Let's say what I want is to be happy. Well, if the rule I set for myself for being happy is people have to like me, that is a rule that I can't control, because I can't control what people think. So it's outside of my control. So I'm setting myself up for failure. So that could be with alcohol, shopping, anything. Yeah and then, so if we ditch the rule and don't ditch the outcome, don't ditch what we want, stay true to that, then tweak the rule, then we have a shot at getting what we want.

Lesley Logan 7:44  

That okay, that's I love this because, you know, something that I see when I coach a lot of the people in our fitness business program, and even, like the people that I work with on their Pilates practice, they'll say, like, I'm going to get three clients, and it's okay. I love that as a goal, like a rule, but you actually have control of when people decide to sign up with you. You know what I mean. So I like the outcome that you want. We can have that, but I think we need to tweak the how, or the rule or the thing you're doing, because, like, you only have control truly about the actions you take. You don't have control of the people who like this is the time they actually decide in the timeline you wanted to sign up with you. That's what you're talking about, right?

Chris Janssen 8:23  

Exactly. So in that case, it would be, what is it that you really want? Tell me what you want more than the three clients, right? Because, why do you want three clients? What? How will you know when you have three clients? How will you know like when you have, oh, because I'll be happy. Okay, well, maybe let's talk about that. Define happy, then that's probably the bigger one. So the three clients, we're gonna tweak that and not make that a standard, but we're gonna stay true to the bigger one, the being happy, or whatever it is that we came up with. 

Lesley Logan 8:55  

Oh, my God you're even, you're so good, yes, because that is making us distill down, like, what are we really wanting and what do we have control over for that? Yes, okay, so you've been a life coach for a really long time. So you've been seeing people like, helping people figure out what they want in their life for a really long time. Can we talk about becoming a life coach and then the life coach, correct me if I'm wrong, like you were life coaching and still trying to control the drinking at the same time or was it you became a life coach after? Remind me of the timeline.

Chris Janssen 9:27  

Well, the timeline is I got sober in 2007 and was sober for 14 years from alcohol, and so I became a life coach at that time. I enjoyed, yeah, and I, by the way, got to raise my babies. They've never seen me struggle with this. Never seen me drunk. I mean, sobriety gave me such a beautiful life. So I was already a life coach. Then in 2020 we moved to a different state. I had never lived outside of California. We moved to a different state, just like people were in 2020, I was a brand new empty nester. Let's do something new. We moved part time. We were going to split time between these two places, and everything was going so great. I just thought, you know, maybe I'm not alcoholic, maybe I don't have a problem with this. I did drink to normal, lot of stuff that I've worked through now, a lot. I mean, it's hard being a mom of three kids and having three teenagers all at once, and having people in your life that are controlling, and you're so young you don't know how to set boundaries. You don't know, you know. So I'd worked through a lot of stuff in sobriety, and so I got to this place, I thought, why did I quit drinking again? I think I kind of went out on a high note, not a low note. I mean, I don't really love the word relapse. I just call it going out. But I had a drink again, and I decided to try it. And I say I went out on a high. It wasn't like I hit a low and relapse. And that happens a lot, and people don't talk about it enough that high achievers struggle with if it's not alcohol, it's something else. Right? So everything I learned about my life coaching was in sobriety. So I had worked out that perfectionism stuff.

Lesley Logan 11:10  

Yeah, which I mean, okay, that we can talk about that in a moment, because we'd all love to know I call myself a recovering perfectionist, because I feel like recovered would be the perfectionist in me, but okay, I actually think that is something I love about your story, and I thought would be so cool to talk about, because most people, they do go on a low, so they hit a rock bottom, and they have this rock bottom story. And not only is it embarrassing, it's often scary or life changing, like they could have lost it and you didn't have that you were actually, you did. 

Chris Janssen 11:50  

Well, that's the crazy thing Lesley is so I did have a rock bottom with alcohol. My life in every other area was not unmanageable, but it was about to be. This is back when I first got sober in 2007 but I was still holding it all together. Yes, running in the morning, doing all this. But I did hit a bottom where it was that was a about to crumble, and I think it was a spiritual thing. I just thought, I'm gonna find a support meeting. I didn't know anyone alcoholic. No one in my family, believe it or not, my family, my parents, their parents, all my ancestors. They did not drink alcohol. They were just from the south. Very religious. They were teetotalers. So I didn't know. I didn't know. I don't even know if it runs in my family.

Lesley Logan 12:35  

Yeah. Okay. Thank you for correcting me. And then in 2020 you tried it again, but how did you make the decision to quit again? Did you use? 

Chris Janssen 12:45  

I hit another bottom. Yeah, it is a lot easier to stay sober than to get sober. So I tried it again, and I tell this whole story in the book in a pretty concise way, but I'm an achiever, so I kept thinking, I got this, I can do it. That episode didn't work out though I wanted it to. We'll try it again. You know, I just kept giving it my all. Yeah, and I do share that's embarrassing in this, in the book, I do share about my last bottom, like, the last time alcohol got the best of me. I mean, I was passed out and on the ground. If my husband wasn't there, I don't know if I would. I mean, it just completely obliterated me. So I got sober again.

Lesley Logan 13:27  

Okay. I think it's true. I think it's probably easier to stay than to get especially for the achiever, perfectionist person, it's really hard not to beat up on yourself to have so much judgment of, how did I let that happen? And for the achievers, I interviewed someone who was like, you know, you can have these amazing strengths. Like, being an achiever is not a bad thing, and it gets a lot of stuff done. You like, take action. People don't like you because you get stuff done. But you can also have what he called the basement of that strength, which is, I can get stuff done. I can figure this out. I can try and make this happen. So I recognize that I understand that. I, in my own life, have seen how my achieverness and my perfectionist has gotten me into trouble because I'm like, I can figure this. I figure everything out. So it's just it's hard. Let's talk about the shame and judgment, though, because I think this is where you so beautifully wrote it in your book about what are those shame judgment spirals, and how do they not help us? 

Chris Janssen 14:22  

Yeah, well, I think there is some healthy guilt, so I put a guilt assessment in there. Like, sometimes we have some guilt, and we really do need to make a change, right? Like, I needed to stop drinking alcohol. I think guilt is I did something wrong, and shame is I'm a bad person. I don't believe that there's any room ever, I don't think shame ever holds any room in our, yeah, I think it's trash. 

Lesley Logan 14:48  

Yeah, I agree. I really. I mean, Brené Brown said it guilt versus shame, healthy guilt, I think is a good sign, because it's not. I am this. I did this. I feel bad about that, you know, versus I am stupid. No, I did a thing that wasn't very smart. That's the guilt versus shame, right? Like the label, yeah? 

Chris Janssen 15:07  

And for me, it was really, I had to really define. And this all just happened because I started drinking again, and that is when I really had to look at, really, how perfectionism was playing a role in all of this, and that is why I wrote this second book, because I had a lot of realizations because of that experience. One of them was that I needed to ask, what is the difference between a perfectionist and achiever? A high achiever will go after their goals and they will achieve them, right? A perfectionist will say, if I have to do this, and if I don't, I'm trash, and that's where the shape comes in. So I think perfectionism is I think there's adaptive and maladaptive perfectionism, right? There's harmful and help, not really helpful. But I would rather call it achiever and perfectionism. Yeah, I don't think being a high achiever is bad. I think being a perfectionist can really cause a lot of shame and cause problems.

Lesley Logan 16:07  

Yeah, yeah. I agree with you. There's this book. I don't remember the name guys, but I tried to read it about this one was trying to kind of almost say, like, it's okay to be a perfectionist. And I found myself getting mad at her, because it's (inaudible).

Chris Janssen 16:17  

Was it The Perfectionist Guide to Losing Control? 

Lesley Logan 16:22  

Yes and I didn't even get to the end. And maybe she gets better. First of all, I like the ideas of the different types of perfectionism. I thought that was actually very informative, that there can be messy perfectionist, but I just got real. I felt like she was trying to say it was okay to be perfectionist. And I was like, it's just not and maybe I didn't get to the end of her book to figure out, like, where her argument makes sense. But in my life, my perfection is what held me back. It's what kept me in a relationship that was not right for me. It's what made me push myself to unhealthy not sleeping over exercising like different things, where in I think it's okay, like, I don't mind the High Achiever label at all, because I do like to achieve things and make things happen, but when the perfectionist gets in there, I don't achieve things because I'm trying to over control it in a way that doesn't allow me to see the thing that I wanted to do in the first place. 

Chris Janssen 17:13  

That's right, yeah. And another name for high achiever is high growth. Sometimes I just say I'm high growth. We're always looking to grow. And (inaudible) high achiever. Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 17:26  

I just love a reframe. I think, you know, a lot of words like selfishness, I think needs a rebrand, because I think so many people think they're being selfish when really it's self care. But I would love to hear from you like the be it till you see it, what were the steps that you are taking? And I know it's probably in your book that you got yourself to being sober again, and because, actually, I don't, I think it's and I'm sure you wish that you didn't go through your second bottom but I actually think it probably makes you a better person at coaching this and helping people through this, because you have done it, you actually know what's coming, and you can speak your story and probably save people from being curious about it again, but how, what were the things that you did to kind of help yourself get sober again? Because you had 14 years, so you had something you could kind of see to be. 

Chris Janssen 18:10  

Yeah, that's a good question, and I'm grateful for it because I wrote the book, and I had gotten very comfortable in my sobriety. I used the example in the book when your kid ties their shoe for the first time, you're like, oh my gosh, that's amazing. There's all this celebration, but when they tie it at 10 years old or 14 years old, it's not that big of a deal. So for me, sobriety had become like that, like I was 14 years sober, and I was just thinking it was just part of life, and I didn't. I forgot how magical and how special it is. So in order to get sober again, and this really is my answer to the be it question is focus on your commitments over your cravings. So it does take grit. We can't just visualize. And I think any recovery program has to be a program of action, and you have to be in community, so part of that grit is going to be sticking to your commitment. And then in the book, I have people write out exactly why you want, what you want. I wasn't clear on that the first time. I just kind of got sober because I think, well, gosh, I really need to, I have these babies. And then I realized it's such a wonderful life, but then I forgot why. So really know your why, but then more important is stick to your commitment, and when the cravings hit, you have a commitment, it's like we talked about your outcome. That's the part. You don't ditch the things to get your outcome, which I call strategy or tactics. Those you can tweak. You could tweak the tactics, right? If something's not working, just pick something else. If it's three isn't the person you want in your class, pick different number, but don't ditch the outcome. Because I see this. My clients are all high achievers. I see this time and time again, where a high achiever will ditch the outcome altogether. Here, because either it's not perfect or they're not getting the results they wanted. And so when you get to that area where you plateau, don't throw in the towel, don't go backwards, don't ditch the outcome. Keep muscling through it. That's where you need grit. It's like that two millimeter shift, right, from going from great to extraordinary. We're already high achievers. We're operating at 98%. What is keeping us from that final 2% shift, that two millimeter shift, that's where you have to not throw in the towel, tweak the tactics and stick to your commitments. 

Lesley Logan 20:35  

Yeah. That makes so much sense, and also isn't the simplest thing, the hardest thing to do?

Chris Janssen 20:43  

Yeah, that's why I say grit. 

Lesley Logan 20:45  

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also think the commitment part is really cool. I think also I can see how, like, in the first time, it was easier to stay committed, because you had those babies, and life was really fun. And I can also totally see how you're like, you know, I'm an empty nester. I got a new place. I probably figured it out. I totally can see that. And then to have to figure out a new commitment to yourself, because it had to be a different one. It couldn't be for them anymore. It had to really be for you.

Chris Janssen 21:12  

That's exactly right. Yep, that's the key, right there. So my son, my youngest, is a rock climber, and something he shared with me, really helps me, because in rock climbing, the route they take to get to the top is called the problem. And they commit to getting to the top right, they have an end goal, and that problem, the route to get to the top has to change, like based on the weather or the rock or erosion or whatever, it can't be the same every time, or it can't always be the way they think it's going to be. So they have to alter their expectations. And that's a good visual for me. 

Lesley Logan 21:53  

I love that my husband and I wanted to take up rock climbing. I still think it could be a hobby for me, it's just that I just really wish there was a rock climbing gym just a little bit closer, because I wanted to be a little easier to go. But he and I, we have the same leg length and we're both flexible. So in theory, we could probably do the same problem. We go up the same route. I could follow him, or I could do what he did, because, you know, our leg length is the same. However, his years of experience rock climbing is different than mine. He's okay, like swinging a little bit by an arm and like grabbing onto something, he kind of understands how to launch himself, very different. Also just upper body strength, very different. So every time we do a route, really the same route, and we'll go totally different ways based on, like, how we can solve that problem and how we can get up there. I think that's such a cool if you haven't done rock climbing go. They have beginner ones, and they'll take you up. You don't do it on your own, but it's a great way to explore what you're saying. I love that. You wrote this book and you dedicated for you, the reader and for you, the writer, so it says for you and for me. Who are you hoping reads this book? 

Chris Janssen 23:04  

Yeah, a high-achieving perfectionist that wants to reach their goals and not deal with shame, and they're you've hit a pain threshold where enough is enough, and you're tired of self-sabotaging and beating up on yourself. And you know, we have all this kind of mental health information right now on social media and like everyone's telling us all kinds of things left and right. So how do you do it? Well, I just hold your hand and walk you through exactly how to do that. So that is my suggestion. You don't have to be alcoholic. You don't have to have an addiction, but, most likely you're going to be a high achiever who is tired of being hard on yourself. 

Lesley Logan 23:47  

Yeah, I think that's beautiful. I think even if it's not alcohol sobriety you're looking for, I do think if you are like, ladies, my high growth ladies, like, there's something magical about this, because you have the uncover section of the book. And then you have the recover, and then you have the rediscover, am I did I remember those correctly? 

Chris Janssen 24:06  

Just discover, yeah. So very good, yeah. Discovery, uncovery, recovery.

Lesley Logan 24:12  

Yes. So uncovery, yeah. I love these three sections because I think it's something we all have to kind of learn about ourselves. And you're right, like you open up your Instagram app, and every self-help person is telling you 17 things you have to do to get to the same, some people are like, ditch goals to feel better about yourself. Other people, like, you have to have a specific goal and has to be measurable and smart and all these things. And so the high growth or like, I gotta do, I'm gonna do. I'm gonna take this one, I'm gonna take this one, and it can be so it can be so much information. And you really do hold the reader's hand as you kind of go through this and uncover what is going on. And I really love your questions that you give, like, who, what rule did you give yourself? And like, how did that go? And so I think it's in the first part you guys, you get this amazing section to kind of go over that. And I think it's beautiful and brilliant. Now the book is done and you know it by the time you all hear this, it's gonna be out soon. What is your what is, what's the next thing that you're working towards? Is it like, I feel like, because you are a high growth person, are you just, oh yes, the book is done. Are you screwed? Like, what are we being till we see right now?

Chris Janssen 25:19  

I started writing a third book about relation, about relationships, yeah, and, but there's a lot to do still with this book I would love. Yeah, I created assets. I wrote a workbook, so I just finished that. Just finished edits on that the other day. I created a master class. I created a workshop where I walk people through this. So I created these things so that if people want to buy the bulk book in bulk for, you know, a group, and it doesn't have to be an addiction or recovery group, it could be a book club or, you know, like your audience, people that are high growth, and they, you know, two or more people that want to work through this. I created all these fun things that I am gifting people, if they do buy in bulk, preorder before launch day in March. 

Lesley Logan 26:14  

Okay, this is amazing because, you know, gone are the days you just read a book anymore, everyone, by the way. You have to do all these things.

Chris Janssen 26:20  

Oh my goodness.

Lesley Logan 26:22  

It's really true. You know, I guess I kind of wish I went into fiction writing. I wish I could just write fiction because you don't have to put assets with anything in fiction anymore. You write this beautiful thing and you like, I guess you hope it gets bought by Amazon. But you not only wrote this amazing book where you're so vulnerable and you give so much away. You put a workbook together, you put a course together all these things. I do think this is a book that is worth reading with your friends, even if none of you would call yourself an alcoholic or addicted to shopping or any of those labels. I think if you are high growth, it is a really good revealer and a good conversation, and like a great way to have deep conversations with our friends we probably wouldn't have without those prompts. 

Chris Janssen 27:04  

I agree. 

Lesley Logan 27:05  

Yeah. So then you got, Chris, you're amazing. You have a third book coming to some time. We'll have to talk about relationships next, when you're ready to do that, but we want to stick with this. I like to ask people what they're most excited about right now. So in this moment, what are you most excited about?

Chris Janssen 27:20  

So our youngest son got married a week ago. 

Lesley Logan 27:23  

Oh my God. 

Chris Janssen 27:24  

And my first kid to get married. So he is actually on his way. They got home from their honeymoon, and they're on their way to our house this hour. So that's, that's what I'm thinking about right now. Is him walking through the door, both of them. She's my new daughter. That's what I'm most excited about. But work wise, I'm super excited for the book launch. Really excited. I'm really excited for this book to be published for people, so that we could start talking about it with people that have already read it. I'm so excited. 

Lesley Logan 27:55  

Yeah, I'm excited for you. It's a needed book and a needed conversation, because I do love how you talked about and not everyone likes the word alcoholic, you know, like that label doesn't feel like awesome. And I do love the way you reframe and the way you have an open conversation about the possibilities, and also that you get to be sober, as opposed to you have to be so, like, there's just different ways that make things not just accessible, but kind, and no wonder you called it Grace Yourself. 

Chris Janssen 28:25  

Thank you. Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 28:26  

Well, we're gonna take a brief break, and then we're gonna find out where people can buy this book. Maybe get it in bulk, so they get all those fun things and your Be It Action Items. 

Lesley Logan 28:26  

All right, Chris, where can people go to buy the book? Where can they follow you? Where can they work with you?

Chris Janssen 28:38  

The main place, chrisjanssencoaching.com that's my website. I keep it updated with all those great bulk offers that I'm offering, making available between now and launch day, the upgrades, that will be at graceyourselfbook.com

Lesley Logan 28:54  

Okay, all right, graceyourselfbook.com (inaudible).

Chris Janssen 28:58  

Yes, I will have a link to that on my website, in case you forget. So chrisjanssencoaching.com. 

Lesley Logan 29:05  

Awesome, even if just the idea of reevaluating your outcomes and your goals so that you are keeping those commitments in mind, I think that's a wonderful reason to go work with you, Chris. I think so many of us place these rules on ourselves that become boxes that control us versus uplift us. So I think that's beautiful. And you guys, the book launches in March 18th. So we're putting this out early, so you have time to take advantage of those amazing offers that you've put together, and also the additional work you did to make sure that this book has so much complimentary so it's achievable for people. I really appreciate that. 

Lesley Logan 29:37  

You've given us a lot, especially with the goal stuff, but I do want to, I, you know, it's not a too long didn't listen. It's, you know, my high growth women, they we got to have some steps to be bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted. Because when you're inspired, you're like, okay, what I do next? So what do you have for us? 

Chris Janssen 29:53  

Like I said, stick to your commitments. Don't wait for motivation or inspiration. Commit and then get in action and just do it. And the subtitles of both my books are How to Show Up for the Life You Want and How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want. So the word show up is my number one answer. Show up when you don't feel like it, right? Because it's easy to show up. And as achievers, we like feeling good. We like showing up to work out. There will be seasons or times or days or hours when we don't feel like showing up, and that's when we're going to show up anyway and stick to those commitments. 

Lesley Logan 30:30  

I do agree, because sometimes you're just like, you're down, you're exhausted, but you know what, when you show up, you always feel better.

Chris Janssen 30:39  

Yeah, always, I think it's easier to show up than to cancel or make up an excuse to yourself why or someone else why you didn't show up.

Lesley Logan 30:47  

You are correct, because the amount of time you spend trying to figure out how to get out of something, you could have just gone and done it. So exactly, I truly learned in ditching my perfection to say no first, and if I decided I want to do it, I could always go back and say yes, but this way I didn't say yes to something I didn't want to go to, and then I had to figure out to get out of it. So that's good. Yeah, I'm like, if my gut is saying I don't think I want to do this, it's better to say, let me get back to you. Or this is awesome. I don't think it's going to work out and then change my mind.

Chris Janssen 31:18  

I love that I am taking that with me. That's good. I need that. 

Lesley Logan 31:23  

Yes. Do you want to know something else that I also find? So even though everyone knows that your calendar is on your phone, everyone knows this, no one will actually say, oh, check your calendar right now, if you say you know what, I have to check my calendar, no one says that. They're like, Hey, I've got this thing going on on Saturday. And you can say, Oh, I have to check my calendar, and no one is going to be like, your calendars on your phone, really, truly, unless they're super pushy. They all just know that you're gonna go check it. And that buys me time to just see, like, how do I feel about that? Do I really want to go? Because sometimes people ask you things in a state that's like, not the like, you're feeling overwhelmed, and so that ask just feels overwhelming. But well, you really wanted to go, and then you'd have FOMO. So I just love to buy myself time, because it really helps. My husband has a tendency it's like a rebel. So he has no problems canceling on people, like just going, hey, it's not gonna work out. So sorry, let's take a new date. And I'm like, we can't we said we'd be there and we can't go. And I'm like, you know? So I learned through him. I'm like, let me just borrow a little of that rebelness for that. Before I let you go. Can we just I just want to go into because you said, don't wait for inspiration or motivation. Why can we not wait for those things? 

Chris Janssen 32:31  

Most days, I'm inspired and motivated, because that's what high growth people are. If you made a commitment and you want to reach a goal, you can't only do it when you're inspired to do it or motivated to do it, you have to just do it and show up when you don't want to. That's why I think we can't wait for those things if, because what if something happens? That's, you know, my husband and I lost a really good friend a few weeks ago, and it happened right before the wedding. Right? We can't go, oh, I don't feel like talking to all these guests. I mean, you kind of just have to grieve, then move into celebration mode, then go back to grieve. You just have to show up. You have to keep showing up. It can't be based on feelings, so we've got to make decisions.

Lesley Logan 33:16  

Thank you for sharing that example. I'm so sorry for your loss, but you're right. So many people would have been like, Oh, of course, they're going to be at the wedding, but they're not going to talk to people and they would understand. But also you would have missed out on so many wonderful moments of love and energy and community and family. So thank you so much, Chris, your book is beautiful, and I can't wait to read the rest of it, and you guys all are gonna go get it at her website. We'll have all those links in the show notes, and please, if you buy it and you buy it in bulk, tag, Chris. Tag, the Be It Pod, so we can celebrate it. This is also a wonderful book to give to your achieving friends. But again, book clubs, it doesn't have to be a sober book club. It can just be a club of women who are needing to kind of consider how they're setting up some outcomes for themselves, and Chris will walk alongside you. So thank you, Chris, so much for being here and everyone until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 34:10  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod. 

Brad Crowell 34:53  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 34:58  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 35:02  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 35:09  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 35:13  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

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Lesley Logan introduces a new segment honoring inspirational role models and shares uplifting community wins. She also spotlights two community members who found fulfillment by uplifting their clients. Tune in for a reminder that progress need not be grand, that celebrating small victories fuels your journey, and that showing yourself compassion can empower growth all year long.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

 

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Introducing a new segment to honor inspiring role models.
• Recognizing personal accomplishments, no matter how small.
• Celebrating clients’ progress as a reflection of your guidance.
• Overcoming disappointment by focusing on deeper, genuine impact.
• Gifting oneself with love, strength, and compassion.

Episode References/Links:

• Margret Chola - https://beitpod.com/margaretchola
• Female Quotient - https://www.instagram.com/femalequotient
• CHANI Deck of Plenty - https://chani.com/products/the-deck-of-plenty

 

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

 

Fuck yeah. 

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Hello, Be It babe. Welcome to a new year, our first FYF of the year. And it's only a few days into this year, and you might be like, oh my gosh, I have to have the FYF already. Do not pressure yourself to make something grandiose. Did you get up? Did you brush your teeth? Did you look at the sunshine like those are all things that you can celebrate, because it's hard out there. Every day, you're gonna have an emotional roller coaster of things, and so it's so important. That's why this episode exists. It's Fuck Yeah Friday. It exists to celebrate what you did do. That's what it's here for. That's what's here to remind you. And I'm adding a tiny segment to this, I promise. I'll still keep these episodes nice and quick. You can hear my wins. That's true. I also just want to highlight like people who've inspired the fuck out of me, like women, specifically, who've inspired me, who may or may not be on this podcast, who knows, maybe they'll find out that I've shouted them out. 

So we're gonna kick off our year with someone who I learned about from an Instagram account called Female Quotient. Her name is Margret Chola, an 85 year old grandmother from a rural village in Zambia has become an icon of reinvention and intergenerational collaboration. With the support of her granddaughter, Diana Kalezhi (Dee), a New York City based stylist Margret, has captured the world's attention. Their bond and collaboration is a reflection of the confidence, creativity, and courage it takes to embrace individuality. Dee shared the shoot was impromptu and very low stakes, as these images were simply meant to live on my Instagram page. Little did she know that those posts would leave an impact on the way we view beauty and self-expression at any age. It's a reminder that no matter where you start, your story can ripple far beyond your expectations. So I love this. If you're watching on YouTube, you'll have to click the Instagram link, but I'll just show you like, look at Margret, freaking gorgeous woman. So it's this 85 year old grandma from Zambia, and she is wearing every color with gloves and fabulous pineapple crystal glasses, and she's just got the smile on her face gorgeous bracelet, like you just want to have it. And then if you keep going, she's got this hat that I dream to have. Maybe someday it won't even fit in the car, but my gosh, it's stunning with her glasses and her shoes, like and her shoes, oh my gosh, I love this, because it's an introgen, like granddaughter and grandmother created this thing, and they had low expectations, and it turned out that it was like inspiring women everywhere. And honestly, like, the pictures keep going. And I just want to now meet Margret, and I'm so inspired by her. If you're hearing this today going, why the heck am I learning about Margret? Go click the link, because you may need to be inspired. Doesn't matter what your age is, doesn't matter what your body looks like. You can put together some fabulous things that that have a ripple effect, as they said, beyond where you live. You can inspire people. She has inspired me. I think I'm gonna go get dressed up for today, literally, holy moly, I'm gonna step it up a notch because of this. So that is our new segment, shouting out someone who inspired me, who caught my attention, and I love that she's with her granddaughter, Dee, and I love that they're affecting people around the world. You could be doing that too. 

And now let's talk about you. Let's share the wins that you have. So here we go. First up, we have Heather Ingram. She is an eLevate grad, an Agency member. She's done an OPC workshop for us. I absolutely love this woman, and she wrote fab webinar with Kareen Walsh today on becoming a magnet for money. Sign me up for that. Also just finished a fantastic session with my favorite private client, who does her homework three times a week, and the progress in her Pilates practice is effing inspiring. As I watched her move through her flow today, I actually had a proud moment when I caught my own reflection in the mirror, made eye contact with myself and silently said to myself, you did this for her. You helped her get here. You're pretty effing great. You are. I always in my sessions with a standing roll down arm circle and then reach around to pat themselves on their back for their energy effort. Great session. Give themselves some love. And today was the first time I gave love to myself for what I'm doing for my clients. Yes, tooting my horn. Heather, thank you for inspiring us all to toot our own horns. We should all do it more often. How freaking cool is that I love that you actually saw yourself and like actually had that moment with yourself, because it's so true. Yes, she's doing her homework, but you managed to inspire her to do that. You chose these exercises for her. You set these things up so that she could have the success that she's having. So way to go, girl. It's like another collaboration. This is another collaboration. Okay? Dana Karen, who's an Agency member, she wrote, wow, my heart is so incredibly full right now. I am on day two of seven-day challenge I'm running for getting active and chronic pain called meant to move after my book. I've been busting my ass for the past four weeks or so leading up to this challenge with IG lives and new freebies and tons of promos, it was so exhausted by the time it even started. I was disappointed at first to just get four items, because I'm making, like, $2 an hour, but I have to say that things are going so well. So far, I just got off two back to back coaching calls with people telling me how grateful they are for the safe space that the challenge created and how happy they feel to have guidance and support to get going. The second client said to me, the moving part is just a bonus. What I needed was a safe container to put my grief and feelings about movement and where it was okay to be starting from scratch, and you gave me that. I mean that sentiment right there is exactly why I wrote the book, why I created my first paid program in 2022, and why I made this challenge. I've been trying to figure out the correct formula for years without success, and I feel like I'm finally hitting on something that might actually work if I can figure out how to find my people. I just feel so fulfilled knowing that this is working for someone, and it made my whole month. Dana, way to go, babe, way to go. You know, I think we all look at people and maybe even look at this podcast, and you go, oh my God, she must have had, like all the listeners, as soon as she hit play, whatever, whatever you hit to upload the episode. I don't know what my team does. No, you have to work for it. And yes, there are sometimes moments where these flash in the pan like everything aligns, and it works out really, really well. But typically it doesn't work like that. Typically those stars, they die fast. What really is the truth is that every single person out there that you are seeing share their gifts and change people's lives have been doing it like a duck on the water, just like looking so smooth, but underneath they're just like, kicking their feet, kicking, kick, kick, kicking, you know, just like, so, so much. So I just so appreciate you sharing with us the hard work that you went through. DK, and then also that you're feeling so fulfilled. And so I'm in day two. The money will come. It just will. But you're changing people's lives, and you're learning about what they need to hear from you. So you can keep doing that. And congrats on your amazing book. 

All right, a quick win of mine. So we are not even done with this tour. I'm still on it. I'm still on it, and what I'm gonna say is, my win is that I'm having the best time. I really am. I'm so honored and so grateful and so blessed. And that's a win, you know, because it'd be so easy for me to sit here and focus on, like, the times that the schedule didn't work correctly, or we hit traffic, or, you know, something happened. I mean, one summer tour, the dogs jumped out of the van to run into a store that Brad was in, you know, so the chaos can happen. But I am going to say is, with about five days left on this tour and only a couple stops left to go, I would do it again. I would do it again. Really, really would. So thank you, if you came out on the tour, thank you for doing that. We will announce our West Coast summer tour soon, but not so soon, because I've gotta, I gotta relax. Gotta take some time. 

Okay, let me leave you with a mantra. The last couple years, I've gotten the mantras offline. Now because you guys have been so generous and gifted me so many mantras, I'm either getting them off of Instagram, or I have a couple decks that I am using. And so today, it's from the CHANI deck of plenty. No sponsorship here. I just like her. I send my past self love, I send my future self strength, I shower my current self with a million compassion affirmation. I send my past self love. Let's do that. I send my future self strength. Take a moment. I shower my current self with a million compassion affirmations. If you need a million of them, just Google top affirmations for 2025, right, and just keep reading them. Here one more time. I send my past self love, I send my future self strength. I shower my current self with a million compassion affirmations. You guys, we've had many, many guests on talk about affirmations and putting Post-its up and putting them where you can see them. May this be your sign that you do that. Maybe that's your win. And if it is, send it in to us, so we can shout you out on the next FYF. Have an amazing day. And until next time, be it till you see it. 

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 10:14  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

 

Lesley Logan 10:19  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

 

Brad Crowell 10:24  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 10:31  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

 

Brad Crowell 10:34  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

 

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Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell revisit their conversation with Mary and Kate Swick, hosts of Mom and Me Astrology and experts in blending traditional and modern astrological insights. Together, they uncover astrology’s power to validate experiences and guide personal growth. Learn how Pluto’s cycles and Mercury retrogrades can reframe obstacles, foster clarity, and inspire adaptability in life’s transitions.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

 

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Why Pluto’s long-term cycles highlight opportunities for transformation.
• How Mercury's retrograde offers a chance to rethink, revise, and refocus.
• Why astrology validates emotions and offers context for life’s challenges.
• Why understanding your astrological chart provides insight into your strengths.
• How being curious about astrological influences can foster adaptability.

Episode References/Links:

• OPC Winter Tour - https://opc.me/tour
• Cambodia February 2025 Retreat - https://lesleylogan.co/retreats
• Flashcards Waitlist - https://opc.me/flashcardwaitlist
• Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator - https://prfit.biz/accelerator
• OPC Spring Training Waitlist - https://opc.me/events
• Try Out OPC $40 for 40 Days - https://opc.me/40
• Mom, Me, and Astrology - https://beitpod.com/astrolgypodcast
• Monica Linda Girl Squad - https://www.girlsquadllc.com

 

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

First of all, I was born under a Mercury in retrograde, so they don't actually affect me as much. They kind of feel comfortable, but retrograde, R-E, they say, anything you can redo, redefine, recreate, redecorate, put a re in front of it. And so to go back, don't blame astrology, but understand what's going on, and then you can work with it. 

Lesley Logan 0:18  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:57  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the validating convo I had with Mary and Kate Swick in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, you need to make time for that episode and maybe listen to it twice. I think Brad listened to it three times. 

Brad Crowell 0:57  

Two and a half times. 

Lesley Logan 1:02  

Two and a half times. So holy freaking moly, there's a lot of information. Grab your notebook, maybe even look at the transcript of it, because you can go to your sun sign, or Mary and Kate often talk about your rising sign, and you can just like, copy and paste what they're saying, because they gave a lot of information. But before we get into that, today is January 2nd 2025 and it's National Personal Trainer Day. And because I'm a Pilates instructor, I think we just need a Pilates instructor, yoga instructor. It's your national whoever is (inaudible)

Brad Crowell 1:49  

We're gonna, we're gonna adjust it from personal trainer to fitness trainer. 

Lesley Logan 1:53  

Yeah, whoever is your personal person taking care of you, and OPC can be that person for you. So we're gonna celebrate me. To be honest, I think they really phoned it in when they came up with holidays for January 2nd. 

Brad Crowell 2:07  

Yeah, right. 

Lesley Logan 2:08  

Really went through, and this is the best one that didn't have, like, motivate yourself, go do the thing, like, that language is no longer allowed here. So National Personal Trainer Day is an annual day of observance on January 2nd when many people start working toward their new year fitness resolutions. Just so you know, we are not saying that you need to do that. Personal Trainers guide, motivate, and train you to exercise correctly. Yes they do. 

Brad Crowell 2:30  

Yes they do. 

Lesley Logan 2:30  

Yes they do. Without them, many injuries can happen due to bad former incorrect use of the equipment. So they are vital, often overlooked part of society. Personal Trainers should get the credit they deserve for the great work that they do. Yes. 

Brad Crowell 2:41  

Yes, they should. 

Lesley Logan 2:42  

I should. And also, at OPC, we don't do, like, one-on-one stuff anymore. We do provide feedback on your form just by submitting (inaudible)

Brad Crowell 2:51  

Did we ever? 

Lesley Logan 2:52  

No, we never did. But I did. I used to. 

Brad Crowell 2:55  

Yeah, okay, but you aren't OPC. 

Lesley Logan 2:58  

That's true. I am not OPC. That's true.

Brad Crowell 3:02  

Hey. 

Lesley Logan 3:02  

Hey. 

Brad Crowell 3:02  

Congrats. 

Lesley Logan 3:03  

Congratulations to me. Okay, so we're not even home yet, so just so you know, we're. 

Brad Crowell 3:09  

We're a solid week away from being home. 

Lesley Logan 3:11  

We're like definitely somewhere in the Panhandle right now but we're gonna come home at some point, and then we're gonna head to Cambodia.

Brad Crowell 3:11  

I think we're at Pensacola, probably on the way to New Orleans. 

Lesley Logan 3:21  

We're definitely doing a class in Pensacola, and tomorrow is a class in New Orleans. Yes. New Orleans is sold out, so don't even try. At this point. 

Brad Crowell 3:29  

Pensacola, I think, has a couple left in the class. 

Lesley Logan 3:32  

At the time we're recording this, the class had some spots. Austin has some spots in the workshops. Dallas has some spots in the workshops, and Lubbock has some spots in the workshops, but that's it, so and that's also. 

Brad Crowell 3:43  

How about Phoenix? 

Lesley Logan 3:44  

Phoenix, at this point, has three spots left in the workshops, but you guys, we are 34 days away from those places, so they could be sold out by the time you're hearing that. It's very true, but just reach out, because you never know. You know. 

Brad Crowell 3:56  

Never know. Go to opc.me/tour come check it out. 

Lesley Logan 3:59  

So when we come back, we're going to Cambodia in February, and we have announced, it says we've just announced October. 

Brad Crowell 4:07  

When we're listening to this. No, the announcement for October hasn't come up just yet, but it will be, should probably be on the website, y'all. But basically, we're going to be putting out an offer to the people on the waitlist. So go to lesleylogan.co/retreats plural, retreats plural, and add yourself to the waitlist so you can get the special offer. Well, it's our early bird special. So if you want to check out what's going to happen in October, the dates are the 12th through the 17th, 12th to the 18th, 13th through the 18th, something like that middle of October of this year, 2025. What? We're going to be making that big announcement, only the people on the waitlist. So if you're on social, we won't be talking about it. 

Lesley Logan 4:46  

Only people on the waitlist will get that early bird discount and get the invite. And last October, it sold out from the waitlist. So, just so you know. 

Brad Crowell 4:55  

We're the biggest group we ever took, and we literally had to bump people to February because it just went immediately. And that was really exciting and incredible. So if you are thinking about it at all, make sure you check out those dates and come join us. And as you all heard us talk about back in November, we drove to Los Angeles. Lesley did this incredible week of prepping for the guillotine photo shoot.

Lesley Logan 5:16  

1100 pictures. 

Brad Crowell 5:17  

Yeah, we did 1100 photos for the new, upcoming flash cards accessories deck.

Lesley Logan 5:22  

I've been going through on the tour, I'm sure at some point by now, when this comes out, I will have sat down and picked the pictures for this deck, and I am supposed to have been done writing by now. So. 

Brad Crowell 5:33  

Yeah, we'll see. 

Lesley Logan 5:34  

We're gonna project all that, because we're trying to actually go on presale earlier than we usually do. Usually we go on presale in May or June, and we're trying to hit that April, March. 

Brad Crowell 5:43  

And here's why we're trying to avoid hurricane season in Florida. 

Lesley Logan 5:46  

Yeah, you know these are things you have to think about. 

Brad Crowell 5:48  

When they ship. 

Lesley Logan 5:49  

Yeah, when you're a business owner, you have to think about things you never thought about. 

Brad Crowell 5:52  

Never thought about.

Lesley Logan 5:53  

Before. So you need to go to opc.me/flashcardwaitlist to get on the waitlist, because only those people on the waitlist get the presale price. And the presale price is the best price that deck will ever have, ever, ever, ever.

Brad Crowell 6:06  

If you are feeling stuck in your Pilates business, or you're really worried about this year, my name is Brad. I talk a lot about, how do you grow a small business, especially a fitness business, especially a Pilates business. So if any of that makes any sense to you, if you're like, Okay, it's January. I need to capitalize on this wave of people wanting to get back into the studio, but I'm not quite sure how to connect with those people. You don't know how to get new clients, or you're worried about the money. Come join me for a free webinar when we get back home the following week, I'm going to be hosting a free webinar called the Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator, and in that webinar, I'm going to be revealing three massive secrets that Lesley and I have put together after coaching more than 2500 businesses over the last seven years. Because this year, this January, right now, it is Agency's seventh year. Holy cow. That is unbelievable. I can't believe that.

Lesley Logan 6:57  

It's insane.

Brad Crowell 6:58  

Yeah, we kicked it off in 2018 so that's amazing. Anyway, go to prfit.biz/accelerator. That's profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator, and join me for the free webinar. And then finally. 

Lesley Logan 7:09  

Okay, so you guys are first. 

Brad Crowell 7:11  

Drum roll please.

Lesley Logan 7:17  

We are going to do a spring training OPC, and it's going to be online. It's going to be something you can do live with us. There'll be some replay action. 

Brad Crowell 7:26  

This is like, going to be a big event. This isn't going to be like, oh, join us for a one hour workshop. No, this is like. 

Lesley Logan 7:31  

No, it's going to be a week long event. Something similar to what you used to do four years ago. But we're going to include all the OPC teachers multiple different pieces of equipment. So no matter what you have access to, there's going to be part of this event that is for you. 

Brad Crowell 7:42  

Yeah, no summer camp this year. Okay, we're going to do the spring training instead of the summer camp.

Lesley Logan 7:46  

You don't know why. If you were listening to the pod, we kept confusing summer camp and summer tour, and we decided that we need to change the season. And I was born and raised in a baseball family. Brad was raised in a football family, but you may not know my grandfather was actually a professional baseball player, and so spring training. 

Brad Crowell 8:04  

He played for the Philadelphia Eagles, right?

Lesley Logan 8:07  

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Brad Crowell 8:10  

Just hit my head with guitar.

Lesley Logan 8:14  

And the he meaning Brad, no, my grandfather played for the St. Louis Cardinals he was the catcher. So we're gonna do spring training. It's gonna be end of April into May, and I want you to get on the waitlist, because something special will happen for the people on the waitlist. We'll make sure we always put things special on waitlists. You always just want to be on waitlist. 

Brad Crowell 8:30  

Just be on the waitlist. 

Lesley Logan 8:31  

And we don't bug you. We just remind you what's coming out once a month, so you don't forget about it. So go to opc.me/events, opc.me/events.

Brad Crowell 8:39  

Yeah, by the way, I just want to say the waitlist is different from our newsletter list. So if you get our weekly newsletters. That's great, different from the waitlist where we specifically talk about the events that you may have been wanting. 

Lesley Logan 8:50  

Yeah, if you're like, interested in what our spring training is going to be, then you're going to want to be on the waitlist, because we won't talk about it on the newsletter until whatever special was on the waitlist is over. 

Brad Crowell 8:59  

Yeah, and I'm not encouraging you to do this, but if you're like, oh my God, you send me a lot of emails, you don't need to be on the newsletter list, but you can still be on the waitlist. Possible. 

Lesley Logan 9:08  

I mean, I write good emails. I'm just gonna say it. 

Brad Crowell 9:10  

You do. 

Lesley Logan 9:10  

They all come from me, and they're not chatGPT, we're not even using my bot to write them. So, you know. 

Brad Crowell 9:14  

It's true. It's true. opc.me/events, plural, opc.me/events, get yourself on the waitlist, and we'll be letting you know about spring training. 

Lesley Logan 9:23  

Also that waitlist. Also let you know about all OPC events that includes the course. So there's good stuff on that. 

Brad Crowell 9:29  

Yep, yep. Love it. All right. 

Lesley Logan 9:31  

Before we talk about Mary and Kate, we have a lot to get into, because we do have an audience question. 

Brad Crowell 9:35  

Yes, we do. Okay. Lisa Hansen 6014 from YouTube says hey, in the shoulder bridge exercise, difference in pointing and flexing.

Lesley Logan 9:45  

Okay. 

Brad Crowell 9:45  

I don't even know (inaudible) to myself. 

Lesley Logan 9:48  

So, don't worry, means nothing to a lot of people. So in the shoulder exercise on the mat, you actually point the foot up when you kick the leg up. 

Brad Crowell 9:56  

Oh, I know exactly. 

Lesley Logan 9:57  

Yes, I know you do. 

Brad Crowell 9:58  

But you go up pointed and down flex? 

Lesley Logan 10:00  

Yeah, do you remember why?

Brad Crowell 10:02  

Oh snap. Uh, well, probably about this stretch that creates when you do it. 

Lesley Logan 10:06  

Great job. 

Brad Crowell 10:07  

Hey, nailed it. 

Lesley Logan 10:08  

So, okay, so, so in Pilates. 

Brad Crowell 10:11  

Sorry, Lisa. 

Lesley Logan 10:11  

Yeah. So Lisa asked this, and also her further questions that came from this was like, well, my foot cramps when I point it. So, yeah, here's the deal, in Pilates, when you point it is actually to help you get length in the front of your leg, because the hip flexor is going to want to try to jump in there. And when you flex, is to help you have more access on the way down, to help people have more access to the hamstring and glute, allows you to push into something when you flex with the roll up and you push your heels down, it gets you more access to those hamstrings and glutes. Why? Because you need them to turn on so you don't overuse your hip flexors. 

Brad Crowell 10:42  

Yeah, so that's actually why. 

Lesley Logan 10:44  

Yeah, in sidekicks, when you turn the leg out and you point it up, you flex it down. Why do that? You point it up, so your hip flexor doesn't try to lift the leg, and you flex it down so you can get more gluten hamstring. So pointing and flexing in Pilates is not choreography. It is about the connection. Now, when you're new to exercises and Pilates, it will feel like you're learning choreography. That's fine. But then there is a point to it. 

Brad Crowell 11:07  

There is a method to do with the madness. 

Lesley Logan 11:09  

Yes, and then, just to follow up, if you are someone who's foot or feet cramp when you're pointing them, it tells me you are over using your foot, and the point and flex is happening from the ankle down and not from the butt down. And so what I would just say is. 

Brad Crowell 11:25  

Say that one more time. 

Lesley Logan 11:26  

When you point your foot if it's cramping, there's a lot of reasons why muscles cramp. You could be lacking magnesium, electrolyte. You could be dehydrated, the muscles could be tired. But specifically in Pilates, if a foot is cramping when it's pointed in shoulder ridge, for example, she's got one foot on the ground, not cramping, one foot and they are cramping. It tells me that she's over using the foot. 

Brad Crowell 11:50  

Okay, that's what I just wanted you to say one more time. So yeah, she's doing what? 

Lesley Logan 11:54  

Over-using the foot muscle. She's working from the ankle down. 

Brad Crowell 11:57  

Yeah, that's what I was unclear of. 

Lesley Logan 11:58  

You need to, so your foot is not its own thing. Your foot is part of your butt. So you want to think about that point and flex going from up and down the chain up and down the whole leg. It's not choreography. It's part of like your whole body. And so when you're new, it's going to be just the ankle, but as you advance and the more she uses her butt, the lesser foot will cramp. There's an exercise on the Cadillac called shoulder roll down. If your feet cramp in that exercise, 100% you're not using your butt. 100% of the time when you access your ass, your feet stop cramping. 

Brad Crowell 12:06  

And you're fast. 

Lesley Logan 12:35  

Yes. 

Brad Crowell 12:35  

Oh yeah. Well, great answer. 

Lesley Logan 12:38  

And also, Lisa became an OPC member because of all these questions. 

Brad Crowell 12:42  

Hey, Lisa, welcome to the club. 

Lesley Logan 12:43  

And now I asked her, I said, send me a video of you doing this exercise so I could actually see what's going on. So if you would like me to see how you point and flex your foot and see if you're using your butt or you're just overusing your foot, opc.me/40

Brad Crowell 12:43  

Yeah, go check it out. Opc.me/40, and come join the amazing family, the community that we got going on there. Okay, so this is gonna be super juicy. Make sure you stick around. We're about to talk about Mary and Kate Swick. 

Lesley Logan 13:09  

And ourselves. 

Brad Crowell 13:10  

And they actually read our charts, and we're gonna talk about that too. So we'll be right back. 

Brad Crowell 13:16  

Welcome back all right. Now let's talk about Mary and Kate Swick. Kate and Mary Swick are the hosts of Mom, Me and Astrology, where they bring together traditional and modern astrological insights. Kate, an Aquarius, and lifelong student of astrology, combines her studies in modern astrology with a background in energy work and intuitive practices, offering fresh perspectives on innovation, growth and self discovery. Side note, she's also went to school for psychology, worked in corporate for a long time, running some spas and stuff. So she's got a lot of interaction with a lot of people, but she grew up with Mary, a Scorpio, brings over 35 years of experience in astrology, making her a trusted guide for navigating major life shifts. Together, they provide guidance on navigating life shifts and understanding planetary influences. Also not mentioned here is that Mary's husband, Kate's father, also worked as an astrologist as well. So Kate was like, around, around this whole world. 

Lesley Logan 14:12  

Before the internet and email, like someone would call and Mary would be out, and there's no answering machines, right? So Kate's like, writing down, okay, yes, the North Node thing you said came true.

Brad Crowell 14:23  

Yeah, the second month, moon's sun did a back flip. And, yeah, I don't know anything about things clearly, Kate, obviously, grew up with all of this and. 

Lesley Logan 14:32  

If any of the things sounded overwhelming, what I have decided since I've met them and we've known them now three years, maybe four years, is that just the more you listen to the terms, the less, the more familiar they become, the less it's like learning a new language. The less overwhelming it is, and the more you study it in yourself, the easier it is for you to understand other things. And I have to be honest, like, the more chaotic the world is, the more I'm like, hold on, what's going on in the moons, let me see, because. 

Brad Crowell 15:02  

I haven't wrapped my head around houses yet, but I've got, like, sun, moon, I'm starting to understand that. But then there's, like, the planets and the degrees. I don't know anything about that.

Lesley Logan 15:11  

I'm excited because I picked up a journal for this year. And every day, there's a way for me to put an entry. It tells me what's going on with the moons, and it tells me what's going on with like, different things, and it's a way for me to practice you have to look at your own chart, and I had stickers to put what things are in which house and what degree. And so I feel like just every day I get to spend a little time journaling in this area. Again, what's gonna go to what I loved astrology is what Mary said. Astrology is very validating. It's not as much predictive as it is a green or yellow light saying go or slow down or pause. And you can use it as a valuable tool to help you see things you might not have noticed about yourself, or some things like, why do I do that? Like, why am I doing that? Sometimes I find myself going, why do I do that? And then I hear from my chart, like, this is the way you do that, you're like, oh, so that's just like, kind of who I am. So I just need to be aware that that's something that I tend to do, and something else that'll come up. We had them read my chart and your chart, and something that came up is that I'm someone who requires a lot of downtime. And I have noticed in the last year, I require a lot of downtime, like I just do after tours, after things like, I just, I need to lay down on the ground. And I used to think, oh, is there something wrong with my health or something wrong I need? And so going back to the validation of it, no. In the chart that I have, it literally says lay the fuck down, take time for yourself. So I really like that. And she's like, it's like having a friend who can give you an opinion or show you something that to you that you didn't see yourself. And I also think that's really cool. We had them read our chart. And there's a lot of things that are like moving around, that are going on. And every time I show someone my chart, who knows astrology, the things they go, Oh, wow, you need to stock up on your learning. You've got a lot going on over here. And I'm like, what is it? What do I need to learn? But it's not predictive, right? So we can't tell them what I need to learn. But I really enjoyed, in summary, what I, we are in a transition of something going on in our business right now. And what was validating about this is because we're at the end of the seven years, and so there are a lot of things transitioning, because that's how things are working in my chart is a seven year change, and what I need to be doing, what I need to be focusing on. And some things have already, the energy's already started in there. And I was like, oh, this is really validating. And then there was some things that she said. Was like, hey, you go look out for this. Not a beware, but a be aware. And I was just like, oh, that is really good information. The other thing that I'm glad that they said is you might want to not just rethink collaborations, but also check in with new partnerships. Check out new things. There might be someone who is famous or doing this x thing that you can actually like work with. And also there's just some really good stuff, you guys. It basically just says, I'm coming into like, the more authentic I can be, the better it is going to be for me, the more that I can manifest, the better that's going to be for me. And so what was so cool about that is, I've been thinking I need to be spending more time manifesting what I actually want, because that's just something I'm being called to do, and to hear in my chart that it's like, yeah, you're in a manifestation place. Go do that. It really helps put the green light on something I'm intrigued by. And I find that to be really cool, because it doesn't feel like this random hobby or this distraction. It feels like a direction. I have a lot of new beginnings coming up. Is that what? That's what they said. Did you hear that in my chart? 

Brad Crowell 18:29  

I mean, you and me both. I'll get into that in just a minute. Okay, first off, one move Brad over here, this has always been interesting to me. Intriguing to me after having my chart read, I've met Kate multiple times, and her partner, Mike, but I have not met Mary. I've not met mom in person, I don't believe, but I have listened to them for a long time. 

Lesley Logan 18:50  

I know you, you download their podcast. You listen to it.

Brad Crowell 18:52  

I do. I actually listen to their pod. And the reason is because, first off, I know you're very interested in it, and I just wanted to kind of start to wrap my head around the language of it, and kind of it, and kind of, yeah, I don't really understand it all, all the time, but it's fun. They're very sweet and they're it's easy to listen to. It's not that long, you know, it's pretty informative. It's also not doom and gloom. I don't know. I always imagine movies from the 90s where someone, like, bases their entire life off of, like, a one paragraph astrological reading in the local newspapers some bullshit, and then they go change their world for the better or the worse. That's kind of just the understanding I had of astrology, but listening to them talk about it, it's really kind of changed my understanding of it, so in a good way. So anyway, we did decide to do our charts with them, and that was also incredibly revealing to me, since I know me better than anybody, right? But before I get into my chart, Kate actually said, hey, the context here not to blame astrology, but just to understand. She explained that when you go through hard things, you can say, oh, here comes Pluto again, rearing its ugly head, right? And not in a sense of you have no agency, but it gives it sheds clarity onto things that might be happening in your life, or why you might be responding in a specific way, and you might be looking at yourself going, why did I do that? And that doesn't mean that you're off the hook. There's blame astrology. That's not what that is, but it does give you visibility into certain things. So it may be also a reminder that some of these things are temporary, because things are shifting and changing. 

Lesley Logan 20:19  

Yeah, some planets move really fast. Some move really slow. And another example, because some people might not really be familiar with Pluto, although, my God, I've been so fucking aware of Pluto and Aquarius, but I'm very involved. So a lot of people like to blame Mercury in retrograde. It happens.

Brad Crowell 20:35  

Mercury's in retrograde. I've heart that a billion times.

Lesley Logan 20:37  

It happens multiple times a year, which is why you hear it a billion times. And the thing that I love from Mary and Kate is that they've actually really helped me re evaluate what mercury in retrograde is. First of all, I was born under a Mercury in retrograde, so they don't actually affect me as much. They kind of feel comfortable, but retrograde, R-E, they say anything you can redo, redefine, recreate, redecorate, put a re in front of it. And so to go back, don't blame astrology, but understand what's going on and then you can work with it, which is kind of cool, because, like, you said, no agency can go, okay, hold on, we are in a retrograde. So yesterday, I was trying to move these files. I tried two times it didn't freaking work. And I could have gotten mad or upset, because, like, I get frustrated when technology doesn't work for me, when it worked, like, literally an hour ago, and I was just like, you know what? Yeah, I'm just like, You know what, it's retrograde. I'm just gonna leave that there. I texted the team. I'm like, do you see these files? Because I tried two times and I don't see them there, but maybe I can't see them, and they're like, we don't have them. And I was like, we have to redo it tomorrow. I'm not gonna get angry about I'm just gonna redo it tomorrow. And I was like, ooh, retrograde. 

Brad Crowell 21:39  

Yeah, Astrology can validate what you're feeling. We didn't talk about Pluto yet, but we're gonna get into that in just a minute. So Kate also said, astrology is not there to tell you that you're being punished. That's not the goal of it. It's, you know, it can help validate what you're feeling. It doesn't take away the emotion of what you're going through, but it can provide a sense of purpose. You know, what you're going through and dealing with is exactly what you are supposed to be dealing with. She said, It's all part a much larger plan and a much larger cycle, right? For example, we were talking about Pluto, we were talking about mercury, but we weren't comparing it to Pluto just yet. Mercury in retrograde happens three times a year. Pluto, it's like a 20-year cycle, right? And so what was really interesting is when they read my chart, and it was the two of them talking back and forth to each other for about 30 minutes.

Lesley Logan 22:26  

Okay, I'm so curious, what happened to it 22? I really wanted to go back and go because (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 22:31  

I'll tell you what happened, in fact. So here's what's crazy. They basically said hey, Brad, and this was Mary, mom. She said, to be honest, I wish you were here in front of me so that we could meet you face to face, because you have a very intriguing chart. She said, I don't think I've read this many, very many charts over my career, 35 years doing this, very many charts where there were three moons, there are three planets at a zero degree, zero degrees. Now that doesn't mean anything to me. I have no idea what that actually means, but they were very intrigued by this, because I was born under a new moon on a specific day in a specific place, and whatever the degrees of all the planets (inaudible). 

Lesley Logan 23:07  

And you have three planets at zero, which means it's like a new beginning. But also you could kind of be either the old other sign, or this sign.

Brad Crowell 23:14  

I could be a chameleon. 

Lesley Logan 23:15  

Yes, it's really quite crazy. They also said that when you go to a new place, you don't stand out as a tourist. You kind of just are that. And it was, I'm like, yeah.

Brad Crowell 23:23  

Are you going to let me talk about how excited I am about the chart, yeah. So, all right, so, so basically, they began to describe me, and Mary doesn't know me. Kate knows me. She actually was using some references of my life, of our life, that she's aware of, but Mary doesn't know those references. Doesn't know me. And yet she was looking at when I was born and where I was born, and she was describing why I did things I did in high school, which was fascinating to me, because she talked about, you were talking about being a chameleon. When I was in high school, I used to literally blend into all the different crowds. I hated the Goths versus the preps versus the jocks. I just thought it was the stupidest thing. So I would wear different clothes every single day, as if I was part of a different clique, a different crew, and I had friends in all these different clubs, or what a social hierarchies, or whatever the it was high school. And for me, I did it in a cynical way, because I thought it was bullshit. So I was like, Well, I'm gonna break the rules and I'm gonna be part of everything. But how funny to hear them talk about how I can do that kind of a thing. And I was doing that when I was, like, 16. It was really interesting to hear them talk about how I'm probably very intrigued about travel and about understanding the world and about different cultures and all that stuff. And that could not be more spot on. That is literally my driving purpose in literally life. I always say travel is my drug of choice. 

Brad Crowell 23:24  

Yeah, yeah. And we and they also said next year is a lot of travel, and it freaking does. You were trying to squeeze a (inaudible) trip in a really crazy time, and I'm like, can we squeeze it into this quarter? Can we do that?

Brad Crowell 24:59  

I have more coming that she doesn't know about. 

Lesley Logan 25:00  

I know, but I also really loved that they brought up. So something about Brad. He's Oh, yeah, let's just go. Let's go to this thing. And I'm like, Okay, I'll go. And then he's like, oh, you know, while we're over here, let's go to this thing. And I'm like, that was not on the plan. And we gotta drop off these three things if we're 12 o'clock at the FedEx and it's, what are you talking about? I thought we were just going to get lunch, and now you're adding three things. And they freaking brought that up in the chart. I swear to God. I mean, I know it's not psychic, but it's definitely validating. And again, yes, Kate has met you several times. We've hung out, we've gone to dinner, but not like, we're like, every quarter.

Lesley Logan 25:01  

No, maybe once a year over the past three or four years. 

Lesley Logan 25:39  

Yeah, we have to send Mary a picture of you like I think she (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 25:43  

I feel it. I'm sure Kate pulled up a photo us. It was really just interesting. I lean towards an addictive personality, where, when I commit to something, I go 1000% in on that thing. I love to travel. I'm really good at showing a front and not sharing what's behind, right? So that's also the way I always thought about it is, that's how I was raised. No one ever sees what's actually going on behind the curtain. Maybe that's also just how I am. My interest in language education, my inclination towards technical stuff, you know, just fascinating to me. And then what we never actually circle back around to, and I want to finish with here before we move on, is Pluto. They said that somehow, I don't really understand it, but Pluto is affecting 10 of the planets in my chart, and that cycle, that 20-year cycle, is concluding right now, and next year is going to be a very interesting transitional time for me. 

Lesley Logan 26:40  

I have to look at your chart. It sounds like maybe a 10-year plan must have been like, in Capricorn or something like that. 

Brad Crowell 26:44  

I have a Capricorn rising. And I never even knew that. I was like, I don't know. 

Lesley Logan 26:48  

Yeah, no, you have Capricorn rising. I have Gemini rising. We gotta look at what your moon is. But, yeah.

Brad Crowell 26:52  

This was really interesting that they were talking about some of the things that they were forecasting for me for next year during this transition period. I've already been doing them literally this past year. I can't remember the specifics now, but there was like, three or four things where I was like, oh, that's already started. I've already started to shift out of some of the roles that I've held in the company for a really long time. I've already started to make decisions on what I want to be doing in the company. And this kind of started six, eight months ago. So it's just funny that there's stuff going on in my world that they had no idea yet they were talking about it as if they did. 

Lesley Logan 27:26  

They gave me some specific dates. I'm not gonna lie. I'm aiming for one of those to be the accessories launch card date, because, like, this is a great day to launch something. I think so too. Obviously, this is not a commercial for Mary and Kate, but what I hope is it's an awareness of take a look at these things, because it can feel like your world is uncertain and chaotic, and maybe it is chaotic. 

Brad Crowell 27:46  

I mean, especially politically now. When the day this comes out, we're 18 days away from a transition in the president's office. Oh, and that's, you know, a lot of uncertainty starting at the end of this month.

Lesley Logan 27:56  

It's weighing on me. Well, also, like, I had a call today with someone I was like, so do we think that there's going to be a war where we're going at that time, because this is the weirdest thing, that because we travel so much for work, we have to pay attention politically, what's happening in the world like it, it affects us on an actual economical level, like it affects us on our work and affects the safety wise. And she said, well, then we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. I said okay, we're gonna act as a be it until you see it. Here we go. You know. And so having an understanding of this, again, it's not a psychic thing. It can actually just validate. Oh, I do feel like everything is in transition right now, and I have all this stuff happening in my houses. So it is. So it makes you feel to me less crazy, and oh, I'm on the right path, or I can work with this. And so at the very least, you should listen to their podcast. And the episode, we had to talk about Pluto. We went through every single because we're talking to you like, as if you listen to it. We went through every single sun sign, which is a sign that you are born like the birth date, the one that like you. 

Brad Crowell 28:53  

The one that you probably know. 

Lesley Logan 28:54  

You probably know (inaudible) because it's on the magazines and everything. Oh, this your sun sign. 

Brad Crowell 28:58  

Cancer, Capricorn, Aquarious.

Lesley Logan 28:59  

Yeah, based on your birth date. So you don't have to know the time or location you're born. You can just know your sun sign. We did that for both Pluto and Uranus. So I would just say, like, dabble in it. You can at least listen to the podcast, their podcast, and start to.

Brad Crowell 29:15  

Yeah, Mom and Me Astrology. 

Lesley Logan 29:16  

Yeah, yeah. Because just to finish Brad's little point here, it's all part of a much bigger and larger cycle and plan. 

Brad Crowell 29:23  

Yeah, stick around, because we're gonna get (inaudible) be it, if we certainly do, we're gonna get into those, Be It Action Items that they laid out for us on the pod. We will be right back. 

Brad Crowell 29:33  

All right. Welcome back. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Mary and Kate Swick? I'm gonna jump in first here. I am cancer sun sign. So I was born under that cancer. Will be handed power, but may feel uncomfortable managing it or forming alliances. Cancer may hold taboo or secrets needed to navigate private matters carefully, interesting, because what we see happening next year is growth with the company and my entire shift, my entire goal, has been for us to grow OPC and begin to rub elbows with some other companies so that we can partner with them for marketing efforts and growth efforts and collaboration and all this stuff, but not on a local level, now on a national level, and eventually on an international level, would be our grandiose goal. So I just find it really interesting that may put me in an uncomfortable situation which I get that I could see how that I could be in a room with people who are running a conglomerate, and it might make me feel like imposter syndrome, or whatever it might be. 

Lesley Logan 30:41  

And knowing that is helpful, because then you go, Okay, I'm gonna feel this way, but I'm supposed to be here. I've been handed this power, and so I'm gonna be uncomfortable. It doesn't mean I can't do use this to my advantage. 

Brad Crowell 30:51  

Well actually, so the cancers may hold taboo or secrets really well when navigating private matters. So you know, if you're maybe a therapist, or you've got someone going through something, what I find really interesting is the environments that I came from were prone to secrecy, because there was a lot of controversy in the work environment that I used to work in, right? And I already feel like prepared for this kind of a thing. There's definitely intimacy being heightened coming up, and then cancers are encouraged to prioritize therapeutic services because of it. And there's a couple of action steps here. It's time to reflect on my needs in relationships, and not just intimate relationships, but just relationships in general, and then also explore what fulfills me emotionally and physically. Therapeutic services will help me process and escape into healing activities like mental health walks or yoga, which is interesting because I I totally was driven to that before, when my life was incredibly stressful 10 years ago. I'm excited to see some of that stuff coming back around, and I'm excited to embrace it so very interesting.

Lesley Logan 31:56  

And if you are not a Cancer or an Aquarius, because I'm going to go into mine and you're like, but I'm another sign, we talked about it in the other episode. 

Brad Crowell 32:04  

We did talk about it.

Lesley Logan 32:04  

But also, I think what's really cool over the next year and years, you're gonna hear Brad and I talk about some things, and I think it's going to reveal itself how these things are evolving in our lives, because we're pretty open with you guys about what's going on with our lives and what's going on business, what we're going through. And so, for example, I'm an Aquarius, like Kate and Pluto is in Aquarius. So we are here, and Aquarius requires you rebirthing yourself. And this is something that they talked about when they read my chart. It did come up. You may, as Aquarians, and this is if your sun sign, and also your rising could be Aquarius. This could apply to you. Same goes for cancer. It can be your sun sign or your rising sign. So you may experience a tightly packed, intense schedule. I literally made my assistant already send Brad a screenshot of Q1. Yeah, it's in Slack, babe. It's about belief. Are we sure we want to insert this into this quarter? Can we at all look at the next quarter for this Belize trip, and it's because it's already looking very full, and we're not in it yet. And so it's coming through, and you'll hear in my FYF, like, I'm really proud of myself, because I did plan a birthday trip that doesn't need to happen, but I want it to happen. And yes, it adds the intense schedule, but I want Brad to experience a beautiful place that I love. So anyways, it's gonna be in a tightly packed, intense schedule, however, this can lead to big bucks or better bucks than what you've experienced in the past. And so now I'm like, Okay, well, some of that schedule can stay. So Aquarians are encouraged to prioritize their health. I mean, I do, but you should, and if you haven't listened to the ads on this podcast, there's a lot of ways to prioritize your health here, and is it, particularly in the reproductive and unlimited native areas. And I just want to say I've actually been focusing a lot, ladies, if you're over 40, that means, like talking about looking at your hormone health. It doesn't mean to have a baby. I'm just really focused on keeping my hormones as long as I fucking can, and then eliminative areas. It's look at your digestive system. That's what I'm saying. They also said for Aquarians, there's a need to differentiate yourself now, showing more creativity and innovation and how you dress or present yourself. Here's what's so funny. I'm already planning this photo shoot that we're going to do with Monica Linda from Girl Squad, because we're doing a photo shoot with the new decks, and like to get some pictures for future tours. I bought the most amazing fur coat, I mean, the most amazing fur coat, and then I got the skirt that I showed you. And I have wanted to, I want to update the podcast, art and things like that. And if you haven't noticed, I've been wearing more regular clothes lately, you guys. And here's the thing, it's because I'm in a big transition. Yeah, I am showing up, and they said, remind Aquarians this is a big transition. So it does not happen overnight. So I think it's going to take all of 2025 for the new mystic comp. But in my chart reading as an Aquarius, they said, like, you're gonna have a new look. And I have been over this last year changing. I got rid of the eyelashes, right? And I've been practicing makeup, and I've been practicing these different things, and I had started doing my nails. And I'm fucking obsessed with these nails. If you're on YouTube, aren't they beautiful? They're more beautiful than when I came home. So at any rate, like, if you're an Aquarian, we are the weirdo sign. We are the alien sign. We need to stop playing like, ooh, let me hide. I'm an alien. Let's be the weirdos and be the aliens, because this is our time. It's not going to happen in your lifetime again. The last time Pluto entered Aquarius, it was the French Revolution. If I recall, that should have been 1700s that should definitely been a forewarning. 

Brad Crowell 32:13  

The last part, yeah. 

Lesley Logan 34:50  

So let's enjoy the next 20 years (inaudible). Anyways, I hope that you enjoy this. I know there's a lot of information, but please again, use the transcripts, because that can help you sometimes reading it and hearing it and seeing it can help you with your sign and let us know what takeaways you had for your sign. I want to share those. Instead of sharing the wins, I'll share what you took away from it. It's totally fabulous, and I'm really excited to hear how this helped you. They did a lot of research to help both planets. We are so lucky that we got that. If you do want your chart read by them, listen to what they said on that last podcast episode. I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 36:04  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 36:05  

Thank you so much for listening. Hey, Happy Fucking New Year. 

Brad Crowell 36:08  

Happy New Year.

Lesley Logan 36:09  

We didn't say that the beginning. 

Brad Crowell 36:11  

We did not say that. Happy New Year. 

Lesley Logan 36:12  

Happy New Year. Happy New Year. I don't believe in resolutions. I believe in upgrades, just like your phone. I say this all the time, your phone just updates itself, and then you have the same phone with better systems. And that's what every new year is, to me. It's taking you and just making the systems better based on what you didn't like and what you did like. So share this with a friend who needs it, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 36:38  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 36:40  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 37:23  

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Lesley Logan 37:28  

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Brad Crowell 37:32  

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Lesley Logan 37:38  

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Brad Crowell 37:43  

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