Kaz Neyatian is the Chief Operating Officer of Shopify.
Kaz and I spoke about about:
1. Why traditional career ladders are broken
2. Why strategy is the least important part of building products
3. Why Shopify canceled all recurring meetings.
I think this interview will feel like therapy if you’ve worked at big tech companies.
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Chapter timestamps:
[00:00] Nobody ever dreamed of sitting in meetings
[01:15] The difference between crafters and managers
[02:31] Traditional career ladders just don't work
[04:36] Our job is to rage against being a big company
[05:43] Strategy is the least meaningful aspect of product
[07:15] People misunderstand how great products are built
[09:57] We're not an OKR company
[11:23] Why there are so few good product managers
[12:25] Operation Chaos Monkey to remove meetings
[15:26] Why managers need to value their personal craft time
[16:06] Why there are always no meeting rooms available
[18:22] How to reduce meetings on your calendar
[21:02] Just because someone else does it is a bad reason
[23:33] The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing
Where to find Kaz:
X: https://twitter.com/CanadaKaz
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kasranejatian/
Get the interview takeaways:
https://creatoreconomy.so/p/kaz-coo-shopify-craft-and-no-meetings
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