In this installment of Best Of The Gist, we rewind to January 2017 to revisit Mike's interview with Ralph Nader, who had just published his second work of fiction, Animal Envy, which imagines a world where animals can talk to people and start demanding rights. Nader says the fable is meant to prompt deeper thinking about our relationship with nature. "We need to talk about what-if, because if we don't, we can't kick in our idealism and imagine real possibilities," says the 82-year-old author and advocate. And we follow that up with a recent Spiel about a colossal barn fired that got Mike thinking about animals.

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