SF's The Mill owner and author Josey Baker joins Kristen to talk about baking with whole grains (it's not as simple as swapping 1:1 with white flour!), combating picky eating in kids (it's a process), and why whole-wheat and -grain baked goods have gotten such a bad rap.

Referenced in this episode:

• The Simple Secret to Much, Much Better Whole-Grain Pancakes
• Josey Baker's Whole Grain Pancakes recipe

Genius-Hunter Extra Credit:

• Check out Josey's how-to-sourdough-at-home guide
• Or, better yet: take a class with Josey himself

Special thanks to listeners Caroline, Sana, and Kaleigh for your sharing your sneaky swaps!