Between Two Worlds

By Scott Trout

A podcast about belief, un-belief and everything in between.

Hosts Scott Trout (a Christian from America) and Joey Vervaart (an Agnostic from the Netherlands) come from two different worlds, yet they... more

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Between Two Worlds episodes:

March 05, 202129. Confronting Core Beliefs in Spiritual Conversations--Ashley Moore (Part 3)
Is it ok to have guns or not? Australian Improv Teacher, Ashley Moore discusses with Scott why it's so hard to confront our core beliefs. He asks why Scott repeatedly signs up for people to challenge his beliefs on his podcast.
They also shared some of their political beliefs and how their spirituality might impact them. Lastly, they addressed child raising, as Ashley has a five year old boy, Scott has a 10 month old daughter, and spirituality really becomes tricky once you try to pass it on to your child.
Other Topics Discussed:
Guns in America versus Australia.

Ashley's parenting style. Including trying to say no as little as possible.

The balance between listening to others' spirituality while not pretending like all beliefs co-exist coherently.

Scott's personal reasons for believing in Christianity.
Questions for the Community:
How would you pass on your beliefs to your child?

What is an instance where your core beliefs were confronted?

What would you challenge Ashley with in his beliefs?
Message Us:
You can e-mail (https://[email protected]/) us your questions directly
or follow us on Instagram or Facebook (@betweentwoworldspodcast) and become part of the conversation.
Also find us on YouTube: (BetweenTwoWorlds - YouTube)
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February 26, 202128. How to Lose Your Ego Through Improv Theater--Ashley Moore (Part 2)
The Spirituality of Improv Theater. Australian Improv Teacher, Ashley Moore jumps back on with Scott to dig into their common passion: Improv theater. What makes improv so enticing? How it is sort of like modern day magic. How it can it help people let go of their anxieties, their ego, their insecurities and find trust instead. They talk about how the key to improv is to stop editing yourself and let go. Trust yourself, trust your partner, trust that if you take a risk you won't self destruct.
Other Topics Discussed:
How Ashley believed in vampires at one time because of the goths he hung around.

Self editing in improv and how it happens in real life. How saying no is a way to keep ourselves safe.

How Scott tries to bring the philosophy of improv to his podcast, by not editing, not scripting, and trusting that if he is listening well the conversation will go well.
Questions for the Community:
Have you ever done improv? If so, how did it impact you?

Do you struggle with self editing?

What do you do to empty your conscious self?
Message Us:
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February 26, 202127. Australian Improv Teacher on Becoming Atheist-- Ashley Moore (Part 1)
Leaving His Christian Faith Behind. Australian, Atheist, and Scott's Improv Teacher in Amsterdam, Ashley Moore joins the podcast to talk about his spiritual journey out of Christianity.
Ashley's Story:
Ashley describes how he grew up in a devout Catholic background, including Catholic primary and secondary school. He is the type of person who wants to be all in when he believes something. He also wants to know fully what it is he believes not just the morals he is told to obey. This lead him to look into his faith and ultimately start to question it. Not all at once but gradually overtime the gaps in the narrative and the desire to look into all religions, not just Christianity, lead him to decide he did not prescribe to any religion. Yet he finds himself still drawn to religious ideologies. He is always curious why people believe what they believe and how they came to that conclusion.

Other Topics Discussed:
The spirituality of rock climbing and improv and how Ashley uses them to get rid of his ego.

The moments in Scott's life that lead him to believe there is in fact a God, including his wife's back being healed and him not dying on a mountain.

Who is Jesus according to Ashley if he isn't the son of God?
Questions for the Community:
What has been one of your most spiritual moment?

Do you see inconsistencies in the Biblical worldview?

Which would you prefer to do improv or rock climbing in order to find your flow?
Message Us:
You can e-mail (https://[email protected]/) us your questions directly
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February 24, 2021 --B2W Turns One and Our Summer Trip to America!-- (ScoTho #3)
In this Scott's Thought, Scott talks about their trip to the US for the month of July and how the Between Two Worlds Podcast turned one year old while they were there. He also discussed his need for a Sabbath from the podcast and all the American things they got to do while back home. Listen to the end to find out which episodes are leading the pack in most listens as B2W looks forward to its second year and reaching even more listeners than just Scott's mom in Colorado:)
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February 24, 2021 --Upcoming Guest: Ashley Moore--
Here is the teaser for our upcoming guest Ashley Moore.
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February 22, 2021 26. Why has Joey Left?? Joey Vervaart Shares What He Learned as B2W Host
Joey put down his school work and his anime to jump back on with Scott to talk about what he has learned thus far from Between Two Worlds. He shares some of his favorite moments and his piece of advice for all you listeners.

Also we have our first feedback episode coming up off of Casey Trout's two episodes. They were spicy and peoples comments have started to come in. If you would like your question or feedback featured on the episode reach out to us on Facebook or Instagram or text Scott if you have his number....
Message Us:
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Also find us on YouTube: (BetweenTwoWorlds - YouTube)
Original Release: 2/26/21
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February 15, 202125. Making Protestants Uncomfortable-- with Casey Trout on Becoming Orthodox (Part 2)
Why did Casey join the Orthodox faith? Does he condone polyamory? All this and more on Casey's feedback episode from the earlier episode entitled "Out of the Ashes of Protestantism."
Casey seeks to make people think and defend their conclusions. He is simply sharing the things that made him uncomfortable in his spiritual journey and how that pushed him to find new answers. If his thoughts tend to provoke, he encourages the pushback.
Listener's Pushback:
Orthodox Christians don't think for themselves. They look to the interpretation of the church.

What place does personal faith have in Orthodoxy?

Often young believers in an orthodox faith know the church traditions, know the history, but can't articulate what the gospel is.

What is Casey's definition of sin?

Things in Orthodoxy that Casey doesn't like? Praying to saints? Deification of Mary?
Casey's reasons for joining orthodoxy:
Credibility- How do I figure out which interpretations of the Bible are true? Orthodoxy has legitimacy that Protestant churches can't claim because they can trace their pastoral lineage back to people who knew Jesus himself.

Finding Answers to Hard Questions- Casey described the frustration of going to people he is supposed to trust for his spiritual questions and finding multiple different interpretations. He says the Protestant world doesn't have a way to determine beliefs as heresy, whereas Orthodoxy does.

The Church- Need to have a personal relationship with Christ AND a personal relationship with the Church his body. To provide you with all the things you need for your experience of life with Christ. Namely the sacraments.

The Sacraments- Protestant church, didn't provide confession in a way that Casey thought was meaningful. As well as the structure around Communion, Fasting as a Church on the Church calendar, and structure for worship.

Pray- The Protestant mind links prayer to worship. But Casey believes prayer is just talking to God. So you can "talk" to the saints as well and ask them for wisdom or guidance in the areas where that saint was saintly. Orthodoxy doesn't see a separation between the living and the dead. We are all in this together and helping each other run the race of life.
Other Topics:
God's Law vs Natural Law- Things that make you flourish in the natural world. Certain sexual desires might be fine in the natural law category, but God's law decrees against to know that we are obeying him. Such as circumcision. (Christians often want a neat natural reason for God's laws).

Polyamory- Does Casey condone polyamory?

God's Design For Sexual Desires- the functional and symbolic role of marriage. How every man has polyamorous tendencies. Just cause you have desires doesn't mean you get to indulge them. It is important to find your deeper yes to combat the natural desires in you.
Find Casey at:
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Original Release: 5/2/21
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February 14, 202124. Out of the Ashes of Protestantism-- Casey Trout on Becoming an Orthodox Christian (Part 1)
Scott’s Protestant turned Orthodox Brother Casey is back with a fiery second episode. Scott gets a little triggered, and so will you as Casey pokes holes in many Protestant Christians' view of the world.
Including a unique definition of sin that goes beyond just "doing un Christian like things,"

an examination of the shortcomings of Protestantism,

and a challenge to some of the pieces that might be missing from your faith.
A Unique Definition of Sin:
Casey walks through his journey of faith within Christianity, starting with the personal sense of faith and devotion he saw in his parents, to starting to make his own discoveries about God and how to interact with him. Then came that necessary period in any Christ followers life, the decision to forsake the pleasures of this world in order to fully follow Christ. This is not an easy decision and Casey does not pretend it to be. As Casey looks back on his life, he doesn't regret his actions, but rather the fact that he was professing to live one way and yet acting differently. Thus Casey presents a unique definition of sin: inauthenticity. Living as if you are devoted to God, yet secretly giving your life over to other pursuits. He says it would be better to renounce your faith than to live doublemindedly. This is what the Bible talks about "counting the cost" of following Jesus and how strongly it speaks against "lukewarm" Christians.
Orthodox vs Protestant:
Casey then goes into what eventually led him away from the Protestant church he grew up in. Scott tries desperately to describe to Joey what all the Christian terms means. Joey doesn't really care.
It came down to a matter of accountability from the pulpit and how a Christian can know if what is being preached is true or not.
Casey asks the question, "how do I know if my interpretation of the Bible is correct, or if what my pastor's interpretation is correct?" What happens when your personal beliefs contradict your pastors? And what accountability do new protestant churches have to what they are preaching. Casey ultimately sees the orthodox faith as the closest link we have to the early Christian church. Unlike Catholicism, which put the power to hear from God and dictate what is heresy and what is not in the power of one man (the pope), orthodoxy has been governed by councils throughout the ages.
Questions for the Community:
Protestants, what push back would you give to Casey's criticisms?

Christians, is the fragmentation of denominations in the Christian faith a sign that the Church is falling apart or that the Church is healthy in view of how much diversity exists within it? How do you know if your denomination is correct?

Non Christians, how does Casey's views shape your understanding of Christianity?
Message Us:
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Also find us on YouTube: (BetweenTwoWorlds - YouTube)

Original Release Date: 2/12/21
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February 12, 2021 --What Does it Mean to be "Spiritual"?-- (ScoTho#2)
Another ScoTho! This one tackles the question what does it mean to be "spiritual". And it's written specifically to those who say they "are not spiritual."

I set out to argue that everyone is in fact spiritual whether they want to admit it or not.

Let me know what you think. Follow us on Instagram @betweentwoworldspodcast and share your comments!
Message Us:
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February 11, 202123. What Secular Humanism Can't Explain About Equality:-- Casey Trout on His Christian Miracle (Part 2)
Find Out What Scott's Brother Casey Has to Say to Secular Humanist. Casey Trout is back after listeners sent in all sorts of feedback. In this episode Scott and Casey revisit his argument that equality under the law for race, sex, and class is a Christian miracle. Casey comes with a host of research and some quotes of the major movers in the cause for equality, and Scott uses the feedback he had received to pushback.
If you haven't had a chance to listen to the original episode, here it is: Equality Under the Law is a Christian Miracle: Casey Part 1
Other Topics Discussed:
The beauty of being able to pushback and not be afraid of losing the relaticASonship.
The importance of furthering the discussion by following up and not just sitting on our assumptions of the other's perspective.
Pushback on Casey's argument that Equality Under the Law is a Christian Miracle (*see previous episode).
Casey's argument is an oversimplification.

What is a "Christian nation?" Significant progress toward equality came as nations became more secular and as the shell of Christianity fell away. Christianity had a dampening effect on the march toward progress. The scale of Christianity is weighted toward Christians who used their religion for political power and oppression.

Equality under the law is a multi-faceted progress, of which Christianity is only one factor. It is one only thread in the tapestry that contributed. You might be able to show correlation between Christianity and progress, but not causation.
Casey's Responses:
Produce a culture that has produced equality in race, sex, and class that is not Christian or has Christian roots.

Look at the cultural centers of the other religions. Where would you rather be a woman: India, Saudi Arabia, or in The Netherlands. Where do we see the greatest levels equality in the world? Overwhelmingly in nations that were seeped in Christianity.

The prime movers in the causes of equality were always Christians. You have to tear down the evidence that these thinkers were inspired by Christianity, and what actually did move the stone toward equality.

All the human institutions in history have blocked the progress of equality. Christian institutions are no different. That just proves that humans are hypocritical. It is only Christians who have done something different than human nature. It was the Christian God who inspired them. How would you explain why human nature changed all of a sudden from an alien anthropologists perspective.
Find Casey at:
[email protected]
Read his list of quotes at:
Casey's List of Quotes
Message Us:
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Original Release: 4/23/21
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FAQs about Between Two Worlds:

How many episodes does Between Two Worlds have?

The podcast currently has 78 episodes available.