Join Hallie and Katie on this week's episode of Between Us Moms as they welcome the incredibly candid and insightful Sarah Hoover, author of the acclaimed memoir, ‘The Mother Load: Episodes from the Brink of Motherhood.’ Sarah is a writer, art advisor, and mom-of-two who has captivated readers with her raw and honest portrayal of the realities of pregnancy and new motherhood.

In this deeply personal conversation, Sarah opens up about why she decided to write a book about her experience with postpartum depression. ‘It burned its way out of my body,’ she tells Hallie and Katie. ‘If writing this book had been illegal and punishable by death I still would have written it.’ Sarah, who experienced PPD after the birth of her first child, Guy, 7, explains that the subject matter felt ‘urgent.’ In the depths of her own depression, Sarah says she searched for literature that might make her feel seen and less alone, but was left empty handed, so writing the memoir felt ‘non-negotiable,’ adding that it was coming out of her body ‘one way or another.’

In the book, Sarah reveals how having a baby impacted her marriage, delivering an unflinching look at the struggles many couples face in the transition to parenthood. Now, Sarah offers an update on her relationship, saying they have emerged stronger and more connected than ever.

Sarah also explains why she decided to have a second child after the trauma of her first and shares the steps she took to ensure a vastly different and more positive experience in the delivery room and postpartum. Sarah delivers a powerful message of hope for any mother currently struggling and reminds us that even in the darkest moments, there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Now, Sarah says she's in early talks with producers and would love to turn ‘The Mother Load’ into a television series. Naturally, Hallie and Katie have some casting suggestions.

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This week on the podcast, Hallie and Katie talk about aging and motherhood. Both of the mamas started their families later in life and now, they are raising babies and toddlers as they enter their 40s. Hallie admits she often thinks about what it might have been like being a younger mom and imagines that it might have been easier to deal with those last night feeds and getting up and down off the floor to play with the kiddos. But, she is grateful she was able to focus on her career, travel and live a full life before entering motherhood.

Katie, who met her husband, Jason, at the end of 2019 agrees that while being an older mom comes with its challenges, the timing was perfect. Now, she’s committed to taking care of herself so she is able to be there for her girls. Katie also reveals that she is starting to feel like herself again after having back-to-back pregnancies, crediting her new self-care routine for getting her pink back. Meanwhile, Hallie, a self-described ‘crunchy mom,’ is looking fresh-faced after a highly-anticipated post-baby making botox session. 

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Erin Lim Rhodes joins Katie Krause Mork and Hallie Stephens Drake as this week's special mama guest on the podcast! Fresh off her coverage of the 2025 SAG Awards, the E! host and correspondent shares an intimate look into her life as a mother to her three-year-old daughter, Saylor.

In this heartfelt conversation, Erin opens up about balancing her career dreams, the challenges of postpartum depression after taking maternity leave, diving into a new hobby, and recounting her powerful natural delivery story. This episode is a must-listen for any mother, filled with moments of vulnerability, humor, inspiration, and connection.

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This week on the podcast, Hallie and Katie dive into all things stay at home mom life. The mamas, who met at work over a decade ago, have both transitioned out of the office and into the home as the primary caretaker for their kiddos. The Emmy-winning entertainment journalists' days were once filled with fast deadlines, red carpets and bright lights, but now they manage a world full of dirty diapers, toddler tantrums and Ms. Rachel.

While both Hallie and Katie are grateful to be home with their littles and present for all the milestones along the way, they admit, it's the hardest job they've ever had, one that is way more demanding that your typical 9 to 5 employment. In a world full of sugar-coating and obsession with perfectionism, the ladies open up about all the things no one talks about like the isolation a woman can feel and the toll it can take on your mental health.

But the besties share a few of the tips and tricks they've learned along the way that have helped them manage the chaos and zero in on the gratitude.

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Oh man! Katie and Hallie are going through it in different ways. Dive into the latest episode that feels more like a therapy session as they talk about their marriages and their wedding vows and how they feel different these days -- in sickness and health really has a different feel to it these days.

The mamas also talk about a TikTok gone viral on how in motherhood we mourn who we once were. Do Hallie and Katie feel this way? They go deep into conversation about the changes and feelings they are both experiencing that we feel our listeners will be able to relate to.

It's an emotionally deep episode -- please join us and let us know how you are feeling these days too!

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This week on the podcast, Hallie and Katie dive into the universal experience of mom guilt. Katie explains that she feels the most guilty when she takes time for herself away from her kiddos, even when it's for the betterment of her mental health, like a workout class, or a chore for her family, like a trip to the grocery store. She also has lingering guilt over having a second baby so quickly after her first. The mom-of-two, who conceived her second child when she was just 5 months postpartum with her first, admits that she feels like she is often torn between the two and unable to provide them with the kind of attention she would like to.

Meanwhile, Hallie has mom guilt over her breastfeeding journey after she decided to start feeding her second-born formula at 7 months. The mama says she caught herself defending her choice to friends and family and had a realization that she hopes all moms can apply to their own motherhood journey. She also explains the guilt she feels traveling for work. While she knows she is providing for her family and is grateful for the gig, she suffers from wife guilt too, as her husband, Andrew, is left to juggle the kids and work at home.

The moms touch on how motherhood can alter certain friendships after Katie's iPhone took her on a trip down memory lane. And Hallie is left pondering pubic hair in motherhood after Vogue declared that the bush is back in 2025.

Hallie and Katie also take a moment to reflect on their recent trip to NYC to see the podcast featured on Amazon Music's billboard in Times Square. The mamas are still floating on cloud nine and can't wait to tell their girls about the experience one day.

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Sarah Drew joins Katie and Hallie for a brand new episode of 'Between Us Moms.' The 'Grey's Anatomy' and 'Mistletoe Murders' star opens up like never before about motherhood, life and everything in between. Sarah is a mom to 10-year-old daughter Hannah and 13-year-old son Micah -- and we're certain every mama listener will be able to relate to her beautiful journey.

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Hallie and Katie have a lot to chat about this week! Hallie is tired AF, revealing Dylan, 2, is having a major sleep regression and is waking up at 4am every morning and refuses to go back to sleep. Meanwhile, Katie and Jason's daughter, Kaia, 1, is having a sleep regression of her own, with a raging case of toddler FOMO that left her crying so hard in her crib she puked! As for their baby girl, Emma, 5 months, she gave mom and dad reason to celebrate, sleeping through the night for the first time.

Hallie dishes on how baby led weaning is going with her youngest daughter, Collins, 7 months, and says this time around she has way less anxiety with all new milestones than she did with her firstborn. And speaking of milestones, Hallie reveals that she's scrambling to learn the tricks of potty training after her toddler jumped the gun and took a big poop in the potty. The mom-of-two also gives a sweet shoutout to her hubby, Andrew, who turned 40-years-old on Tuesday.

The moms applaud Kylie Kelce after she kept it real about “severe baby blues” and the hardest parts of early motherhood during a recent appearance on the Sunday Sports Club podcast. The 32-year-old wife of NFL star Jason Kelce and mom to three daughters (with baby #4 on the way), is on a mission to normalize the messy, complicated, emotional realities of postpartum life. “The conversations we’re not having are the things we’re all experiencing—postpartum depression, baby blues, mom guilt, feeling inadequate as a woman. We all go through it, but nobody talks about it. And we should,” she emphasized.

Hallie and Katie also weigh in after one mom asked for advice on Reddit regarding her 13-year-old daughter who wanted a $50 shirt. The mamas both agree that they would buy their daughters the shirt, but only under one condition.

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In the latest episode of the Between Us Moms episode, Katie reveals how she is feeling being so close to the LA Wildfires. It's a heart-wrenching time for the city of Los Angeles and so many people and we send our love and prayers to all affected and our thanks to the firefighters and first responders.

Hallie reveals she is coming out the other end of postpartum and shares a new purchase making their household a little more fun.

The moms dive into a viral TikTok video about a child who was excluded from a birthday party. How would you handle the situation? We get into it!

We also talk postpartum must-haves after a mom shares her big wish list... and we send love to a mama who lost everything in the fires.

Also... a special shoutout to Heidi and Spencer Pratt.

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This week on the podcast Hallie and Katie download the big highlights of the last couple of weeks. Hallie opens up about the big hormone drop she's experienced since weaning her baby off of breastfeeding and reveals that with it, she's feeling some postpartum depression. Meanwhile, things are a bit more lighthearted over at Katie's house, where her husband, Jason, took the fam on a voyage to track down and secure the same green suede jacket Ryan Reynolds was recently spotted wearing. The mom-of-two also has a new movie recommendation for all the mamas out there, 'Nightbitch,' starring Amy Adams on Hulu.

Looking ahead to the new year, Katie is hoping to invest time into herself and two new hobbies: pilates and scrapbooking. Hallie is ready to lock down a new routine for herself so she doesn't always feel like she's flying by the seat of her pants. But both mamas wish more than anything to continue to grow this podcast and this incredible community of women.

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