In this episode, I sit down with Cristie from Meating Wellness — a fifth-grade teacher, certified health coach, and creator of the Meating Wellness YouTube channel and community.

Cristie spent 35 years trapped in a binge-restrict cycle, trying every diet from her teenage years through age 47. Then in 2020, she accidentally discovered carnivore through a random Facebook group comment and one Doctor Berry video — and ended up documenting a transformation that changed not just her life, but her family's.

Cristie brings a rare perspective to the carnivore conversation: she's not an early adopter who saw the future. She's an accidental experiment. A teacher who's watching metabolic dysfunction show up in 10-year-olds.

A mom whose teenage son's behavior transformed in weeks on a meat-based diet. And someone honest enough to say she's still learning, still experimenting, and building a sustainable life — not a perfect one.

Her story is about what it actually costs to break free from diet culture, and what becomes possible on the other side.

Here's what we cover in the episode:

Cristie's 35-year binge-restrict cycle — from teenage diet culture messaging ("fat makes you fat, thin is in") all the way through age 47

How she accidentally found carnivore in 2020 — a Facebook lurker who saw one comment about Doctor Berry and fell down the rabbit hole that changed everything

The difference between knowing about keto and actually understanding it — and why lack of ideology sometimes works better than perfect knowledge

Her journey from keto to carnivore to her current way of eating — and how the details were the real treatment

What happened to her youngest son when she started cooking meat-based meals — behavioral transformation, self-directed hygiene, stability in weeks

Her older son's zero interest in carnivore — and why she's at peace with modeling instead of pushing

Building Meating Wellness as a private community and health coaching practice — asynchronous coaching for busy people

The mindset shift that made it all sustainable

Why the accidental path sometimes teaches you more than the planned one

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00:00 — Intro & Guest Introduction

00:01:14 — Cristie's Accidental Carnivore Story Hook

00:02:06 — The 35-Year Binge-Restrict Cycle (late 80s to age 47)

00:02:41 — Deciding on Keto (Age 47, 2020)

00:04:15 — The Facebook Group & Doctor Berry Discovery

00:04:39 — First YouTube Video That Changed Everything

00:10:00 — First Health Changes & Mental Shifts

00:30:00 — Deep Dive Into Carnivore Protocol & Experiments

00:45:00 — Family Dynamics & Oldest Son's Resistance

00:50:14 — Youngest Son's Behavioral Transformation (the highlight)

00:52:38 — What Youngest Son's Diet Looks Like Now

00:53:48 — Teaching Perspective on Kids' Metabolic Health

00:55:22 — Meating Wellness Community & Health Coaching Offer

00:56:44 — Asynchronous Coaching Model Explanation

00:57:00 — Closing & How to Connect

In this episode, I sit down with Charlene Anderson — carnivore coach, official Steak and Butter Gal-certified coach, retro model, and owner-designer of the Etsy shop Handmade Retro Top Shop. Charlene has been eating a carnivore diet since 1998 — decades before it had a name, a community, or a hashtag — and she's used it to fight over 100 health issues, the four biggest being Lyme disease, amenorrhea, degenerative disc disease, and trichotillomania, along with binging and purging.

Charlene brings something rare to this space: nearly three decades of lived carnivore experience that began out of pure necessity, not trend. Her story starts almost at birth — weaned off breast milk at three months, reacting to every formula, then a childhood of recurring strep throat, constant antibiotics, asthma attacks, and allergy shots, all inside a family steeped in conventional medicine that never felt right to her. It's a story of what it actually costs to heal — financially, socially, and emotionally — and what a life rebuilt on the other side can look like.

Here's what we cover in the episode:

• Charlene's childhood health foundation — formula reactions at three weeks old, a doctor grandfather with an overflowing medicine cabinet, preventative antibiotics every winter, and severe allergies to almost everything
• The day in second grade when trichotillomania began — pulling out every eyelash and eyebrow by the end of story time — and how it followed her through school, college, and working life for decades
• How she and her husband Joe finally landed on a way of eating that quieted her conditions — and what changed
• The real cost of healing: downsizing from a big house to a 360-square-foot condo, keeping one car, and being among the last to get a cell phone so they could afford to eat the way their bodies needed
• Losing family members who stood against their lifestyle — and why Charlene urges anyone without family support to find community among the many types of carnivore and animal-based groups
• How deconstructing clothes with zero sewing machine experience turned into a handmade retro clothing business — from first eBay listings to movie producers, calendar shoots, and professional models wearing her designs
• Why her Rosie the Riveter-style hair wraps became her signature product — something anyone of any age, size, or gender can wear
• Returning to roller skating after decades away — the wobbles, the falls, the weekly videos set to a song that matches the feel of the week, and the joy of losing all track of time

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Etsy: Handmade Retro Top Shop

Timestamps:

00:00 – Find Your Carnivore Community

00:58 – Meet Charlene Anderson

02:23 – A Rough Start: Formula & Antibiotics

03:37 – Second Grade: Trichotillomania Begins

04:40 – Asthma, Allergies & Hated Shots

05:50 – Teen Years: Acne, Back Pain, Fatigue

07:04 – Summer Camps & a Tick Bite?

09:01 – College: Periods Stop, Darkness Sets In

09:58 – Chemicals, Stress & Meeting Joe

12:32 – The Meds That Triggered Binging

15:58 – Steak & Eggs: Old Hollywood's Secret

18:07 – Allergy Shots That Paralyzed Her

20:13 – The Lyme Disease Diagnosis

21:03 – Healing Hurts First

22:27 – Egg Yolks Bring Her Period Back

24:20 – Binging & Purging Before the Wedding

26:32 – August 1998: Going Full Carnivore

27:10 – Six Years to Find Ribeye

30:26 – Her Exact Protocol Today

34:42 – Meat Storage Secrets

37:38 – Meal Timing & Family Rhythm

39:35 – Losing Family, Finding Community

41:02 – Failures Are Trophies

43:55 – Building Handmade Retro Top Shop

49:22 – Roller Skating Joy

52:08 – Where to Find Charlene

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In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Mark Hardison — occupational therapist, researcher, and co-developer of the ROADE Program — a community-based, mindfulness-driven intervention for individuals with disordered eating, funded by the American Occupational Therapy Foundation.

With a background that bridges psychology, occupational therapy, and clinical research, Dr. Hardison brings a perspective rarely heard in eating disorder recovery spaces: that healing has to show up in the daily rhythms of your life, not just in the therapy room.

Here's what we cover in the episode:

What occupational therapy actually is — and why its focus on daily function makes it a natural fit for eating disorder recovery

Why the sensory system plays a critical and often overlooked role in healing — and how occupational therapists are uniquely trained to work with it

The ROADE Program — how it was built, what it involves, and what its early results are already showing Why mindfulness belongs in even the most physically-focused therapy settings — and how Dr. Hardison brought it into hand therapy before ever working in mental health

How OT and mental health counseling complement rather than compete with each other — and what each brings to an interdisciplinary recovery team

What it means to reclaim self-care as a healing occupation — something personal, sustainable, and genuinely yours

If you've ever felt like something was missing from your recovery, struggled to translate therapy insights into daily life, or simply never considered what occupational therapy could offer in this context — this conversation will open a door you didn't know was there.

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00:00 – Intro

00:26 – Meet Dr. Mark Hardison 01:44 – From Psychology Major to Occupational Therapist

02:57 – Bringing Mindfulness Into Hand Therapy

04:49 – How the ROADE Program Was Born

07:41 – Embodiment & the OT Framework

08:32 – Running Away From Emotion vs. Leaning In

09:37 – Inside a ROADE Program Session

12:23 – Why Start With Body Scan

14:45 – What Is Interoception & Why It Matters

15:51 – How Eating Disorders Disconnect You From Your Body

16:18 – Being in Your Body With Compassion

19:47 – What OT Brings to an Eating Disorder Team

21:42 – Reclaiming Self-Care as a Healing Occupation

22:10 – Sensory Integration: OT's Unique Edge

23:42 – ROADE Program Results So Far

25:00 – What's Next & How to Get Involved 26:49 – Where to Find Dr. Hardison

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In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Jen Unwin — clinical psychologist, co-founder of Food Addiction Solutions, and part of the team that published the first-ever treatment study in the field of food addiction.

Jen brings something rare to the recovery space: a 32-year NHS career, expertise in the science of hope in chronic illness, her own lifelong personal struggle with sugar addiction — one she couldn't see clearly until nearly 50, despite being an expert in human behavior. Her approach is rooted not in willpower but in understanding food addiction as a real, treatable condition — and in asking the solution-focused questions that rebuild hope from the ground up.

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📄 RESEARCH

Toward Consensus: An International Expert Consensus Statement on Ultra-Processed Food Addiction (Frontiers in Psychiatry, 2025): https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychiatry/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2025.1542905/full

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Timestamps:

00:00 – Intro

01:22 – Meet Dr. Jennifer Unwin

04:15 – A Career Built on Hope

06:01 – Psychology in Physical Health Settings

09:17 – Her Doctoral Study: Who Recovers Best?

11:01 – Hope as a Measurable Trait

13:30 – The 3 Components of Hope

14:42 – "What Are You Hoping For?"

16:12 – Solution-Focused Brief Therapy

17:01 – Asking "What's Already Working?"

18:12 – The 0-to-10 Scale

19:12 – "What Would a Four Look Like?"

20:39 – Correcting the Brain's Negative Drift

22:10 – Jennifer's Story: A Childhood Sweet Tooth

23:25 – Family Tragedy & Comfort Eating

24:45 – Overweight at School & Diet Culture

26:03 – Swinging Between Extremes

26:31 – The Shame of "Should Know Better"

26:50 – Discovering Low Carb at 48

27:52 – The Eureka Moment: Sugar Addiction

28:44 – Abstinence Is the Treatment

29:02 – Retiring from the NHS & Training with Bitten

31:04 – Drug-Free Diabetes Remission with David

32:26 – A Life Mission: Recognition

33:22 – Why Your Doctor Has Nowhere to Send You

34:36 – The Recent Wins, Explained

35:49 – The 2022 WHO Application

36:50 – The Four Reasons They Said No

38:10 – Building the Expert Consensus

39:05 – 37 of 40 Experts Agree

39:40 – Naming It: Ultra-Processed Food Use Disorder

41:03 – Distinct from Eating Disorders & Obesity

41:33 – Abstinence as the Mainstay of Treatment

42:15 – The Hammer-and-Nail Problem

42:56 – The First-Ever Treatment Study

44:39 – 62% in Remission at One Year

46:25 – The IFACC Conferences & Children's Event

47:36 – WHO Update: No News Is Good News

48:58 – How Dr. Jen Eats Today

50:44 – Glucose & Ketone Monitoring

52:28 – Raising Their Own Lamb

54:14 – Exercise, Knitting & the "Addict Brain"

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In this episode, I sit down with Stephanie Mara Fox — somatic nutritional counselor, mentor, PhD student, and the creator of Somatic Eating, a body-oriented, sensation-focused approach to healing the relationship with food.

With a master's in somatic psychology and over a decade of practice, Stephanie has guided women coaches and wellness professionals around the world out of binge eating, emotional eating, chronic dieting, and body image struggles.

She brings a perspective rarely voiced in recovery spaces: that binge eating was never really a food problem — it's a survival response, and the body, far from being the enemy, was always on your team, trying to do something on your behalf.

Here's what we cover in the episode:

Why the body communicates like a baby — through sensations, urges, and impulses rather than language — and what it means to keep showing up for it with curiosity instead of judgment Stephanie's path from severe digestive issues and an IBS diagnosis in her early 20s to discovering, in her somatic psychology master's, that the binge-restrict cycle was a trauma response her talk therapy could name but never shift

Why binge eating doesn't have just one intention — sometimes it's there to numb and contain, but sometimes it's the body's way of mobilizing out of collapse, depression, and freeze

The session that changed everything — lying on the floor, breathing into the ground — and the under-discussed truth that safety often has to come from outside us (co-regulation) before we can ever offer it to ourselves

Why so many somatic tools from social media fail — they're all self-regulation — and how food itself often acts as a co-regulator the body genuinely relies on

Why recovery isn't linear: how Stephanie's binge eating actually returned during her training, and why there was never one single "thing that worked"

Why the goal at the start isn't to decrease binge eating but to increase embodiment — and how riding the edge of "unsafe but safe enough" slowly widens your window of tolerance

How to slow a binge down to micro-moments — the hand on the fridge door, the feet on the floor — to land back in the body when everything wants to flee it

Why sometimes you don't calm down, you match the energy — and how self-compassion after a binge ("I didn't do anything wrong") is what actually breaks the cycle Where to find Stephanie's work, her Somatic Eating approach, and her Satiated Podcast

If you've ever felt at war with your body, tried every somatic tool only to end up at the kitchen anyway, or suspected that willpower was never the missing piece — this conversation is worth your time.

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In this episode, I sit down with Julie Mann — certified life coach, founder of Julie Mann Coaching, and a retired 30-year New York City public school educator who spent 40+ years in her own struggle with binge eating and disordered eating before finding her way out.

Julie brings something rare to the recovery space: the lived experience of someone who has been deep in the struggle, combined with the precision of a master teacher who knows exactly how to bring others with her.

Her approach is rooted not in rules or restriction, but in mindfulness, neuroplasticity, and the slow, patient work of changing the brain.

Here's what we cover in the episode:

Why binge eating consumes 98% of your mental bandwidth — and what becomes possible when you finally stop spending it there Julie's turning point: losing her husband to cancer at 42, becoming a single mom overnight, and how profound grief cracked open a decade-long journey into mindfulness, neuroplasticity, and real healing

How a simple hourly phone reminder to breathe became the foundation of everything she now teaches — and why the nervous system has to come first before any other tool can reach you

How she brought mindfulness and positive neuroplasticity into NYC public school classrooms for immigrant students — and why teaching it to others accelerated her own recovery Why binge eating doesn't have just one cause — and why treating it as a willpower failure keeps people locked in shame instead of opening the door to actual change

The difference between destructive discomfort (bingeing, scrolling, numbing) and productive discomfort — and why everything you want is on the other side of an urge, and everything you don't want is on the other side of a binge

Why urges are opportunities to change your brain, not emergencies to survive — and how greeting them with curiosity instead of dread shifts everything "Tools, not rules" — why a flexible menu of strategies beats a rigid protocol every time, and how Julie's Rewire and Rise community puts that into daily practice

The lessons she has practiced in launching her own business, and the parallels she has noticed between this and the journey of binge eating recovery.

00:00 – Opening

01:20 – Meet Julie Mann

01:41 – Her Story

04:11 – Losing Her Husband & Diving Deeper into Mindfulness

08:22 – Recovering & Becoming "The Brain Over Binge Coach"

09:39 – Building a New Business

11:15 – Meet "Murray": The Lower Brain That Fears Growth

12:36 – Productive Discomfort: Why Recovery & Business Feel the Same

14:19 – Self-Compassion & Turning Mistakes into Learning Moments

17:15 – Owning Your Choice: Internal Leadership in Recovery & Business

19:41 – Nervous System Regulation for Entrepreneurs & Recovery

21:18 – Why You Can't Heal (or Build a Business) Alone

23:14 – Connection as the Antidote to Isolation

25:44 – Moving Toward Something Real, Not Just Away From Pain

27:01 – Inside Rewire and Rise: Julie's New Coaching Program

30:15 – Productive Discomfort / Distress Tolerance

31:07 – The Two Paths: Destructive vs. Productive Discomfort

34:19 – Somatic Tools + Mindfulness Working Together

34:44 – Where to Find Julie Mann

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Disclaimer: The information on this channel is for educational purposes and is not intended to be a substitute for medical advice or therapy. The views and opinions expressed by podcast guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of Kristina Dobyns or Beyond Binge Eating.

In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Ann Saffi Biasetti — transpersonal psychologist, somatic psychotherapist, certified yoga therapist, mindfulness teacher, and author of Befriending Your Body.

Ann has spent more than 35 years in clinical practice walking people through disordered eating recovery, and her new book, Your Body Never Meant You Any Harm (releasing July 21), distills two decades of thinking into a framework that quietly challenges much of how the field still operates.

She brings a perspective rarely voiced in eating disorder recovery spaces: that real healing doesn't happen when we think our way back into our bodies — it happens when we stop treating the body as something to be fixed or fought with, and start meeting it as the partner it was always trying to be.

Here's what we cover in the episode: Ann's path from sensory-sensitive child to somatic clinician — and the high school yoga class that gave her, for the first time, a way to be in her body without judgment

How an autoimmune diagnosis at 30 sent her back to the mat, and the moment she realized no therapy she'd ever done had taught her what one hour of practice had Why she let go of teaching active vinyasa classes after 17 years — and what real somatic healing requires that flow practices don't have time for

The difference between mind forgiveness ("I did something wrong to my body") and body forgiveness ("neither of us asked for this") — and why that subtle shift reframes the entire recovery process

The autoimmune diagnosis Ann received while writing this book, the shame of being "the expert" who was also unwell, and how self-compassion changed what she did with it

How to separate the mind's reactivity (memory, prediction, self-criticism) from the body's actual sensation in the present moment — the skill almost no traditional therapy teaches directly Why self-compassion isn't a soft add-on to recovery — it's the load-bearing wall that keeps the critical mind from dragging you back into disconnection

The "muddy water regrets" of chronic illness, and why the embodied path doesn't bypass grief — it makes room for it Where to find her work, her eight-week Befriending Your Body program, and the practitioner certification pathway that grew out of it If you've ever felt at war with your body, suspected that thinking harder about recovery wasn't the missing piece, or wondered why self-compassion keeps getting recommended in eating disorder spaces but rarely actually taught — this conversation is worth your time. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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00:00 – Opening

00:52 – Meet Dr. Ann Saffi Biasetti: 35 Years in Somatic Psychotherapy

04:19 – First Yoga Class at an All-Girls Catholic High School

06:20 – Autoimmune at 30 & the Yoga That Became Medicinal

08:10 – "No Therapy Ever Helped Me With That"

13:51 – From PhD Research to Befriending Your Body

15:20 – "You Don't Look Like a Yoga Teacher"

19:41 – Mind Forgiveness vs. Body Forgiveness

22:35 – "Your Body Never Asked for This Either"

26:12 – Eating Disorders & Chronic Pain: The Same Sense of Betrayal

32:52 – Autoimmune & Shame

38:13 – The Shift From Striving Mode to "I Got You"

43:49 – Why She Won't Chase Down a Prescriptive Diet

45:43 – New Book: Your Body Never Meant You Any Harm (July 21st)

46:00 – Where to Find Ann

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Have you ever watched yourself do something you swore you wouldn't — like you were observing it from the outside? In today's video, we explore a simple framework that explains why eating, or any addictive behavior, can feel like it just takes over: the Three C's of Addiction.

Rather than treating it as a willpower problem, this approach helps you understand what's actually happening — so the pattern stops feeling like a personal failing and starts looking like something that can change.

The Three C's are craving, loss of control, and continuing despite negative consequences. What ties them together isn't weak discipline — it's automaticity. Over time, the brain shifts away from intentional choice and toward deeply learned habit, which is exactly why you're so often left asking, "Why did I just do that?"

What You'll Learn in This Video:

The Three C's of Addiction — craving, loss of control, and continuing despite consequences — and how to recognize them in yourself

Why automaticity, not a lack of willpower, is the real hallmark of addiction

Why "knowing better" doesn't break the pattern — and what actually does How self-compassion creates change, while self-criticism feeds the cycle

How supporting your body and building awareness help you catch the pattern earlier If you've ever felt trapped in a cycle and wondered "Why can't I just stop?" — this video offers a compassionate, evidence-informed perspective on why you're not broken. You are not broken.

You're running a well-learned pattern — and with awareness and the right support, that pattern can change.

Please like, subscribe, and share this video with anyone who might benefit from it. Also, don't forget to sign up for my newsletter for more insights, tools, and support on your recovery journey!

0:00 – Intro

0:11 – The framework: the Three C's of Addiction

0:17 – The first C: craving or compulsion

0:31 – Why cravings show up in the body first

0:41 – The second C: loss of control

0:55 – Why it's not a willpower issue

1:01 – The third C: continuing despite negative consequences

1:19 – Where shame shows up

1:22 – It's not about knowledge — it's about patterning

1:26 – Automaticity: the hallmark of addiction

1:53 – Why it feels automatic: "why did I just do that?"

2:03 – The good news: patterns can change

2:06 – Start with self-compassion

2:23 – Supporting the physical body

2:35 – Sleep, blood sugar, and whole foods

2:56 – Building awareness

3:05 – Noticing the signals in your body

3:25 – Why noticing earlier helps interrupt the pattern

3:30 – You are not broken

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In this episode, I sit down with Frances Gunn — Australian carnivore lifestyle enthusiast and the voice behind Lady and Her Steak.

Frances spent nine years inside an eating disorder that took her through anorexia, two hospital admissions, binge eating, purging, and alcohol-fueled cycles before she found a way of eating that, by her own account, quieted her hunger signals within a week and eventually restored a menstrual cycle she hadn't had in nearly a decade.

She brings a perspective rarely voiced in eating disorder recovery spaces: that for some people, anorexia isn't really about thinness — it's downstream of an unaddressed sugar addiction that no one ever named.

Here's what we cover in the episode:

The boarding school food environment that lit the fuse — and why Frances believes her sugar addiction came long before her eating disorder ever had a name

Why her hospital admissions made things worse, and her argument that refeeding protocols built around high-carbohydrate foods can reinforce the very addiction driving the disorder

The binge–restrict–purge–alcohol cycle that followed treatment, and the Allan Carr book that finally helped her quit drinking without relying on willpower

The Kelly Brogan-inspired mindset shift — moving from "I have a brain disease I can't influence" to "I am the one who has to heal this" How carnivore quieted her hunger signals within a week, restored her period after nine years, and changed her relationship with food in ways she didn't expect

Why she thinks keto can become its own trap for people with food obsession — and how the lack of decisions on carnivore quietly hands back the mental space food used to occupy

The full holistic stack around her healing: 8pm bedtimes, spring water, intentional social media use, and the people she chooses to surround herself with

Where she'd tell someone with a sugar addiction to start — and why she believes the path looks different for everyone

If you've ever felt like the standard recovery narrative didn't quite map onto your experience, suspected sugar might be playing a bigger role in your story than anyone's letting on, or just want to hear an honest recovery account told without the usual filters — this conversation is worth your time.

00:00 – "I Don't See How Anyone Heals on a High-Carb Diet"

00:52 – Meet Frances Gunn (Lady and Her Steak)

01:49 – Boarding School & Where the Sugar Addiction Started

03:34 – From Sugar Addiction Into Anorexia

04:19 – Two Hospital Admissions & Why She Came Out Worse

06:50 – Adding Alcohol Into the Mix

07:21 – Quitting Drinking With the Allan Carr Method

09:50 – Discovering Carnivore Through Her Mother

10:55 – Healing Hunger Signals & Feeling True Hunger Again

13:54 – The Refeeding Critique: "We Don't Give Alcoholics Alcohol"

19:15 – The First Week of Carnivore & What Changed

22:42 – What She Actually Eats Day to Day

25:36 – Keto vs. Carnivore: The Decision Fatigue Problem

33:59 – The Kelly Brogan Mindset Shift: From Victim to Author

37:24 – The 8 PM Bedtime & Protecting the Morning

39:19 – Spring Water, Clean Products & Curating Your Circle

41:40 – The Social Media Balance After Five Years Offline

43:58 – Where to Start if You Have a Sugar Addiction

45:27 – Closing & Where to Find Frances ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Follow Beyond Binge Eating Instagram: / https://www.instagram.com/BeyondBingeEating/ Website: https://www.BeyondBingeEating.com Newsletter: https://beyondbingeeating.com/Newsletter/ Contact and follow Fances Gunn here: https://www.instagram.com/ladyandhersteak/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Grab your FREE Eat-With-Awareness Bundle to slow down, stay present, and reclaim peace with food: https://beyondbingeeating.com/opt-in/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: The information on this channel is for educational purposes and is not intended to be a substitute for medical advice or therapy. The views and opinions expressed by podcast guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of Kristina Dobyns or Beyond Binge Eating.

If you've ever tried to go on a wellness retreat while eating carnivore, keto, low-carb, or paleo — you already know the problem.

The food doesn't work for you. And that means the retreat doesn't work for you.

In this episode, I share why I've been unable to find a retreat that supports both embodied movement practices and animal-based nutrition, and what I'm doing about it.

What We’ll Discuss:

• Why neither nutrition nor nervous system practices alone were enough for my recovery and stability

• The very real (and very frustrating) retreat food problem for carnivores

• What I'm creating — a yoga, movement, and wellness retreat designed for people who want steak AND the retreat experience

• How you can weigh in and help shape what this retreat becomes If this resonates, I want to hear from you.

Drop a comment, or reach out at [email protected].

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Keep in touch with Kristina: https://www.DrKristinaDobyns.com More info about the carnivore wellness retreat: https://www.MeatandMovement.com

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 – Introduction: nutrition vs. nervous system practices

0:24 – Why neither alone was enough

0:41 – What the combination of carnivore + somatic movement did for me

1:06 – The retreat food problem for carnivores

1:58 – Is there a steak on this property? (Spoiler: no)

2:40 – Fine. I'll build it.

2:44 – What the retreat will include

3:08 – The power of combining metabolic health + embodied practices

3:18 – Who this retreat is for

3:49 – How to share your dream retreat with me

4:25 – Like, comment, subscribe — and share with your carnivore bestie