Former Police Minister and long-time ANC figure, Bheki Cele is today's guest. In this rare and revealing interview, Cele opens up about his controversial time in office, reflects on policing under pressure, and shares insights into his relationship with former President Jacob Zuma. He speaks candidly about the July 2021 unrest, the threats he now faces post-office, navigating crime during one of the bloodiest tenures in SAPS history, and the evolution of the ANC from UDF days to now.