After a Jordy update, we're back with an interview we dusted out of the archives from a year-and-a-half ago. Kayleigh Summers, also known as the Birth Trauma Mama across social media, chats with Jordy and Erica about juggling grief and gratitude, the messy shifts after trauma, and how she and her husband worked on things in therapy. She also digs into why training matters as much as lived experience — and what it costs to share her story online. It's a great conversation that we're apologetic for not putting out sooner!

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