What does it take to catch a fraudster? In this episode of Bite-Sized Business Law, we explore the world of Certified Fraud Examiners (CFEs), the experts who investigate wrongdoing across corporations, government agencies, and beyond. Our guest is John Gill, President of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners (ACFE), who began his journey with the organization over 30 years ago as general counsel. A global authority on fraud prevention, John has trained Fortune 500 companies, advised governments, and taught on six continents. He breaks down the three major types of occupational fraud (asset misappropriation, corruption, and financial statement fraud) and shares real-world cases that reveal just how easily internal controls can fail. From employees wiring millions to their personal accounts to fake audit reports going unquestioned, John shows how fraud often thrives on trust, opportunity, and rationalization. He also unpacks how AI is being used in the fight against fraud and what kind of mindset makes a great CFE. Tune in to learn how CFEs help safeguard financial integrity, and what it really takes to spot the red flags before it’s too late!

Key Points From This Episode:

• John Gill shares his path from law school to leading the ACFE.
• How a love of consumer protection led John to fraud prevention.
• Ways that CFEs think like detectives and spot red flags that others overlook.
• What led to the founding of the ACFE in the late 1980s.
• A breakdown of the three major types of occupational fraud.
• How 5% of revenue is lost annually to occupational fraud.
• Real-world cases: $22M stolen from Citigroup and $9M from ING with minimal oversight.
• The importance of internal controls and how they often fail.
• Why first-time fraudsters rarely stop at just one offense.
• What drives fraud: pressure, opportunity, and rationalization.
• How fraudsters exploit weak audit processes and personal trust.
• The use of cryptocurrency in laundering stolen funds.
• AI’s growing role in fraud detection and its limitations.
• Key traits that make someone well-suited to become a CFE.
• Why CFEs often face resistance, even inside their own organizations.
• Reflections on the global mission to detect and prevent fraud, from Arkansas to Dubai.

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Association of Certified Fraud Examiners (ACFE)

John Gill
John Gill on LinkedIn
Amelia Martella on LinkedIn

Fordham University School of Law Corporate Law Center

The controversy surrounding Delaware’s Senate Bill 21 (SB21) is far from over. In this episode, we examine a major new legal challenge that raises fundamental questions about the democratic process and the enduring power of Delaware’s Court of Chancery. Joining us is Anthony Rickey, founding partner of Margrave Law, whose boutique practice centers on fiduciary duties and shareholder litigation. With his perspective from the front lines, Anthony offers valuable insight into what the Dropbox dispute means for Delaware’s future. He explains the constitutional questions at the heart of the case and why it’s difficult to predict how it will all play out. He also shares why he believes Delaware’s position in corporate law remains strong, highlighting its unmatched legal infrastructure and speed in resolving complex cases. Anthony looks ahead to what might come next in Delaware litigation and what competing states are doing to attract new incorporations. Tune in to learn what this most recent legal showdown reveals about the future of corporate governance in Delaware!

Key Points From This Episode:

• Background and context for the debate leading up to SB21.
• Ways that Delaware creates incentives for creative litigation and its effects.
• Why an overproduction of corporate law results in excessive litigation.
• Dropbox's announcement to leave Delaware and reincorporate in Nevada.
• How their departure was challenged and how this raises a constitutional challenge to SB21.
• Factoring in the centuries-old equitable power of Delaware’s Court of Chancery.
• Unpacking the long-term consequences of SB21 for Delaware.
• Why Anthony remains confident in Delaware’s appeal despite current legal uncertainty.
• Delaware’s unique “superpower” in resolving disputes: speed.
• A detailed example of expedited litigation in Martin Marietta, Inc. v. Vulcan Materials.
• Some of the top advantages that keep Delaware competitive.
• Predictions for the future of SB21 and Chancery litigation.
• How states like Texas and Nevada are branding their corporate laws.

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Anthony Rickey

Anthony Rickey on LinkedIn
Anthony Rickey on X
Margrave Law

‘Delaware’s Superpower’

Martin Marietta, Inc v. Vulcan Materials

‘Texas is Disrupting Delaware’s Dominance through Innovation’
E63: The Devil in the Details in the Delaware Debate over SB21
Amelia Martella on LinkedIn

Fordham University School of Law Corporate Law Center

No one goes to law school to become a psychologist, yet every lawyer eventually faces deeply human questions. Why is my client making this decision? What do they really need from me? How will this advice land? In this episode of Bite-Sized Business Law, we explore how behavioral science can help answer those questions with guest Nitish Upadhyaya, Director of Behavioral Insights at Ropes & Gray. Nitish leads the firm’s award-winning Insights Lab, where he transforms insights from behavioral science and human-centered design into actionable legal strategies. In our conversation, Nitish shares why traditional legal tools often fall short of changing behavior and how understanding context, culture, and bias can lead to better outcomes. He challenges surface-level approaches to compliance, reframes what it means to “do the right thing,” and explains why open dialogue must be designed, not just encouraged. We also get a look at his innovative new course at Fordham, which brings behavioral insights to professionals across law and compliance by connecting academic rigor with real-world applications. To learn how a more human approach to law can lead to smarter, more sustainable decisions, don’t miss this episode!

Key Points From This Episode:

• Nitish’s law background and his path to becoming Director of Behavioral Insights.
• An overview of the Insights Lab at Ropes & Gray and the specifics of their role.
• How they help clients balance compliance with risk management, growth, and innovation.
• The shift that Nitish has seen in how law schools incorporate teaching human behavior.
• How taking inspiration from other fields benefits the legal world.
• The term “culture of compliance” and how your environment impacts decision-making.
• Insights from behavioral science on how to motivate people to do the right thing.
• What it means to engage in open dialogue and how to create the mechanisms for it.
• Why encouraging junior team members to speak up matters and how it can drive real impact.
• Details on the course that Nitish is developing for Fordham Law School.
• How his course helps bridge the gap between academic insights and practical use.
• Insights on approaching human behavioral science in different global, cultural contexts.
• Why generative AI doesn’t diminish the value of understanding human behavior.

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Nitish Upadhyaya

Nitish Upadhyaya on LinkedIn
Nitish's Podcast: Culture & Compliance Chronicles
Dave Snowden on abductive reasoning and AI versus human capability (AC Ep 24)
The Behavioral Code: The Hidden Ways the Law Makes Us Better or Worse

Amy Martella on LinkedIn

Fordham University School of Law Corporate Law Center

With each new administration, businesses brace for shifts in antitrust enforcement. What’s changing now, and what’s next? In this episode, we examine the current landscape and future trends. To break it all down, we’re joined by Stephen Fishbein, a leading trial lawyer and partner at A&O Shearman in New York City, who has tackled some of the biggest antitrust cases in recent history. As a case study, we examine the 2022 trial in which the Department of Justice (DoJ) sought to block the merger between Simon & Schuster and Penguin Random House, which at the time was the largest publishing company in the US and internationally. Stephen discusses his experience representing Simon & Schuster and its parent company, Paramount, and the factors that ultimately determined the outcome of the case. He breaks down key disputes, from how advances paid to authors affect competition to arguing what the market will look like in the future. We also discuss the interesting developments for Simon & Schuster after the deal was called off, the concept of commodifying a societal good, and what to expect when it comes to the new Trump administration’s approach to antitrust. For a fascinating look inside the publishing industry and the past, present, and future of antitrust, be sure to tune in!

Key Points From This Episode:

• Some background on guest Stephen Fishbein and his career in antitrust.
• The attempted 2022 merger between Simon & Schuster and Penguin Random House.
• Stephen’s role representing Simon & Schuster and its parent company, Paramount.
• An overview of the publishing landscape and the “Big Five” publishing houses.
• Why the Department of Justice (DoJ) wanted to block this merger.
• Details of the Clayton Act and the role it plays in antitrust cases.
• The definition of monopsony and how it is relevant in this case.
• A breakdown of the central disputes of the case.
• The competitive role that advances paid to authors play in competition.
• Why defining the relevant market is critical to antitrust cases, and this one in particular.
• Asking what the market will look like in the future and why it was a key dispute in the case.
• The outcome of the case and why the decision was sealed for a time (and partially redacted).
• How the trial dealt with confidential information in the case.
• What happened to Simon & Schuster after the deal was called off.
• Insights into the concept of commodifying a societal good.
• What to expect from antitrust enforcement with the new Trump administration.

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Stephen Fishbein
Stephen Fishbein on LinkedIn

A&O Shearman
Inside Insider Trading with Stephen Fishbein
Amelia Martella on LinkedIn

Richard Squire on LinkedIn

Fordham University School of Law Corporate Law Center

First, there was Brexit, now, there’s DExit. Is Delaware at risk of losing its status as the undisputed leader in general corporation law? Senate Bill 21 (SB21) has sparked a fierce debate: some see it as a major overhaul of Delaware’s legal framework, while others believe it’s a necessary fix to prevent companies from reincorporating elsewhere. Fordham Law professors Sean Griffith and Richard Squire explore the major changes that SB21 will usher in, their impact on both long-standing Delaware case law and recent cases like Tornetta v. Musk, the motivations behind SB21, and whether ultimately it will be as impactful as its proponents and detractors claim. Tune in now for a truly down-to-earth breakdown of SB21!

Key Points From This Episode:

• How today’s case ties into the rejection of Elon Musk’s pay package in December 2024.
• An overview of major changes included in Senate Bill 21 (SB21).
• Unpacking the three key conflict transaction scenarios of SB21.
• Ways that Delaware case law is redefining what it means to be a controlling shareholder.
• How Tornetta v. Musk would come out under this paradigm.
• Important details of how SB21 deals with independence or disinterestedness.
• The power that judges still hold to find conflicts of interest in these cases.
• SB21 changes and their effect on the Delaware corporate law product.
• Reviewing Revlon transactions through the lens of SB21.
• Answering the question: Is the Delaware General Assembly caving to powerful insiders? 
• The effect of the non-retroactivity provision in SB21.
• Comparisons with notable examples of famous legislative reversals in Delaware law.

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Sean Griffith

Sean Griffith on LinkedIn

Richard Squire

Richard Squire on LinkedIn
Vox Shareholders and Still No Payday for Musk: Tornetta Round Two
Amelia Martella on LinkedIn

Fordham University School of Law Corporate Law Center

Investors hold a special place in American hearts. Even those who invest in law-breaking firms are treated as victims rather than actors who may bear some responsibility for the harm those firms cause. Is it time to change this perspective? And if so, what are the risks and benefits inherent in such a seachange? Today, we are joined by Associate Professor of Law at Emory School of Law, Andrew Jennings, whose latest paper, ‘Criminal Investors’, serves as the basis for our discussion. Hear Andrew unpack his latest article on the culpability of investors in law-breaking firms, including why investors are perceived as blameless in America, how investing can enable crime, why prosecutors are apprehensive about charging investors, and the ins and outs of shareholder liability. We also examine the potential social costs of prosecuting investors for corporate misconduct, the role of knowledge and intent, how technology could change the landscape, and Andrew’s final thoughts on how society can ensure that corporate criminal behavior can be policed while protecting the vast majority of non-culpable investors.

Key Points From This Episode: 

• Introduction of Associate Professor of Law, Andrew Jennings and a description of his Business Scholarship Podcast.
• ‘Criminal Investors’, a paper reassessing the culpability of investors in law-breaking firms.
• The prevailing assumptions we make about investors that prompted a series of articles by Andrew. 
• How investing can enable crime, and why investors are rarely prosecuted in America.
• Diving deeper into shareholder liability while comparing direct and vicarious liability. 
• Exploring investor liability and where knowledge and intent fit in.
• The potential costs of prosecuting investors for corporate misconduct.   
• How technology and AI could influence the future of investor prosecutions. 
• Andrew’s take on whether investors are more or less likely to be prosecuted in the future.

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Andrew Jennings

Andrew Jennings | Emory University School of Law

Andrew Jennings on LinkedIn

Andrew Jennings on YouTube | Business Scholarship Podcast

Andrew Jennings on X 

Andrew Jennings on Bluesky 

‘Criminal Investors by Andrew Jennings’

Fordham University School of Law Corporate Law Center

What is driving disputes in the business of healthcare, and how should providers and other parties handle the growing range of legal claims? Amidst renewed interest in healthcare in America, these are the questions we unpack today with the help of our guest, the Senior Vice President at Burford Capital, Charles Griffin. Charles has a background in litigation and finance, and he begins by walking us through his career trajectory from law school to now. Then, our conversation explores Burford’s interest in the healthcare sector and how the current climate facilitates antitrust opportunities for legal finance before diving into the Blue Cross Blue Shield class action settlement from a legal finance perspective. We discover why large medical providers still require legal finance, how the Burford team advises its clients in step with attorney professional and ethical obligations, why some major antitrust settlements may not have a government regulator present, and what the future of healthcare litigation may look like. To end, Charles explains why today’s conversation is vital for anyone in healthcare or legal finance as we learn about the overarching value of legal finance.

Key Points From This Episode:

• Charles Griffin describes his role as Senior Vice President at Burford Capital. 
• Journeying through his career path from law school until now. 
• When Burford first started paying attention to the healthcare sector. 
• The reasons behind the mounting financial pressures on healthcare providers.
• How the current climate creates significant antitrust opportunities for legal finance. 
• The Blue Cross Blue Shield class action settlement from a legal finance perspective. 
• Why hospitals and other large healthcare providers still require capital through legal finance.
• Charles’ final thoughts on the Blue Cross Blue Shield settlement. 
• How he and his team advise their clients without imparting legal advice. 
• The future of healthcare litigation. 
• Why government regulators are sometimes absent from large antitrust settlements. 
• Our guest explains why today’s conversation matters for healthcare and legal finance.
  
  

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Charles Griffin
Charles Griffin on LinkedIn
Burford Capital
Blue Cross Blue Shield Providers Settlement 
Blue Cross Blue Shield Subscribers Settlement
Fordham University School of Law Corporate Law Center

Business structures may seem like a modern invention, but their roots stretch back to ancient civilizations. In this episode, we explore the origins of trade and commerce with Barry Hawk, whose latest book, Family, Partnerships and Companies: From Assur to Amsterdam, uncovers how early societies shaped the way we do business today. In addition to being an author, Barry has had a long and successful career as an antitrust lawyer: he was a partner at Skadden for two decades, worked as the head of EU and International Antitrust Practice, and served as the former director of the Fordham Competition Law Institute. In our conversation, Barry outlines the nine pre-industrialized societies that he focuses on in his book and what we can learn from the way in which they conducted business. He unpacks theories on hunter-gatherer trading, Italy’s fascinating history of business, the role of the English and the Dutch in advancing joint stock companies, and what these societies can teach us about our modern economy. To hear the full scope of today’s conversation with Barry Hawk on the history of business, be sure to tune in!

Key Points From This Episode:

• The inspiration behind Barry’s new book Family, Partnerships and Companies.
• An overview of what ancient business organizations would have looked like.
• The type of partnerships that were formed and why families were often relied upon.
• How environment and resources shaped hunter-gatherer behavior and trade.
• What historical evidence reveals about Mesopotamian society and their economy.
• Ways that ancient Greek and Egyptian societies are misunderstood.
• Why we look to Rome as the birthplace of business organizations.
• The history of joint stock companies and the rise of global trade.
• Why other societies didn’t follow the joint stock companies model.
• How understanding ancient business models can help us analyze modern society.

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Barry Hawk at Fordham

Barry Hawk on LinkedIn
Family, Partnerships and Companies

‘Family, Partnerships and Companies’ Abstract

Fordham University School of Law Corporate Law Center

It wasn’t all that long ago that a woman on Wall Street was unheard of. However, through sheer determination and dwindling employee numbers after World War II, women began to make their mark on the trading hub of the world’s biggest economy. Paulina Bren has uncovered the real stories of women’s hard-fought battles to make a name for themselves on Wall Street, and she joins us today as an author, historian, and professor to unpack her fascinating new book, She-Wolves: The Untold History of Women on Wall Street. We begin with Paulina’s story and why she chose to write about women on Wall Street before exploring the first female entry into Wall Street, why feminism seems to fail in this space, the many scrupulous challenges women faced just to be recognized on Wall Street, and the similarities that exist between the first women who successfully navigated their entry into Wall Street. We end with the overarching dangers of undervaluing women and their opinions in the workplace, and Paulina explains what’s next for her in 2025. Tune in to hear the untold stories of trailblazing women on Wall Street, their battles for recognition, and the lessons we can learn from their perseverance and contributions to the financial world!

Key Points From This Episode:

• Writer, historian, and professor, Paulina Bren walks us through her background story. 
• Why she chose to write about Wall Street and, specifically, the women who fought to be there. 
• How women found the courage to pursue finance in the World War II era. 
• What we can learn from the story of Muriel “Mickey” Siebert. 
• Insight into why feminism fails on Wall Street.
• Concrete barriers women had to overcome to find a place on Wall Street. 
• Common traits between the pioneering women of Wall Street. 
• Why Paulina omitted certain events from her book and why others were non-negotiable. 
• Reasons women are still undervalued on Wall Street. 
• Dangers of excluding women from high-level roles and decisions.
• Paulina’s plans for the future (and a memorable excerpt from She-Wolves).  

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Paulina Bren

Paulina Bren at Vassar

Paulina Bren on LinkedIn

Paulina Bren on Instagram 

She-Wolves: The Untold History of Women on Wall Street 

The Barbizon

The Greengrocer and His TV

Muriel "Mickie" Siebert: National Women’s History Museum 

Fordham University School of Law Corporate Law Center

It started with a simple question: Was the richest person in the world overpaid? While the Delaware Court of Chancery twice concluded yes — Elon Musk’s Tesla compensation package was indeed unreasonably large and flawed in its process — the debate continues as to whether the decision was faithful to Delaware’s governance processes or an affront to shareholder democracy. In today’s conversation, Amy Martella is joined by Fordham Law colleagues Sean Griffith and Richard Squire, and we begin by breaking down Musk’s Tesla compensation package and the two rulings issued by the Delaware Court of Chancery. We examine both rulings in more detail before ironing out the finer details of the latest Tesla shareholder ratification vote. Then, we assess the source of authority in corporations and how this power is structured, the judicial rules that corporations have to adhere to, the relationship between agency law and trust law, and the ins and outs of derivative suits and the shareholder power that comes with it. To end, we envision what may happen next as Musk appeals to the Delaware Supreme Court, how his actions and relation to President Trump may affect future verdicts, and inconsistencies in Delaware corporate law with suggestions for improving it. 

Key Points From This Episode:

• Revisiting Musk’s 2018 compensation package and the Delaware Court of Chancery’s initial ruling. 
• What happened after the first ruling, and how we ended up with a second opinion affirming the initial ruling. 
• Taking a closer look at the second ruling post-Tesla shareholder ratification. 
• The fatal flaws of the ratification vote as seen by Chancellor Kathaleen McCormick.
• Unpacking the source and ladder of authority in corporations. 
• How a corporate structure relates to the judiciary. 
• Agency law, trust law, and the conclusions we can derive from their relationship. 
• Derivative suits, and whether the power that shareholders currently have should be curtailed. 
• What we think will happen next, and how Musk’s behavior may influence his way forward. 
• The ramifications of his role as President Trump’s advisor.
• Reexamining Delaware corporate law and possible ways to improve it. 

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Sean Griffith

Sean Griffith on LinkedIn

Richard Squire

Richard Squire on LinkedIn 

Tornetta v. Musk second opinion

Tornetta v. Musk first opinion

‘Saints and Sinners: How Does Delaware Corporate Law Work?’ 

‘Corwin, et al. v. KKR Financial Holdings LLC., et al.’

Amelia Martella on LinkedIn

Fordham University School of Law Corporate Law Center