As part of Women’s History Month, we are sharing a revisited edition of a conversation first recorded in June 2021 during the Bâtonnage Forum—an initiative dedicated to advancing women in the wine industry.

In this episode, Pauline Vicard is joined by Jordan Sale, founder of 81cents, and Felicity Carter, now Editorial Director at Areni Global. Together, they explore a deceptively simple question: how much is enough?

The discussion examines gender pay gaps, negotiation behaviours, and what happens when an industry that has traditionally avoided conversations about money begins to engage with them more openly.

This conversation also had a lasting impact on Areni Global’s work. It contributed to a broader reflection on the structural challenges facing the wine trade—particularly its persistent lack of profitability—and the role that education may play in addressing them. These questions were later explored in our report: Rethinking Education: Shaping the Future of the Trade, available on our website.

For more information on Areni Global: https://areni.global/

For more information on the Batonnage Forum: https://www.batonnageforum.com/