For this bonus episode, Kate is joined by Kate Casey (from the popular podcast Reality Life with Kate Casey) to discuss the future of reality TV, what it's like interviewing show insiders, her favorite docuseries/documentaries, Bravo, and many other topics. They also go deeper into HBO Max's The Vow, since Kate (Casey) has interviewed several subject matter experts on the NXIVM cult and has interesting insight into the motive of the cult's infamous leader. The other episode about The Vow came out earlier today so listen to both if you want the full scoop! Enjoy!

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