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Canada's Leading VC Talks Space-as-a-Service -

John Ruffolo, Founder & Managing Partner of Maverix Private Equity, joins Bold Founder Caleb Parker for the second episode of Season 6 to discuss what fast-growing companies need from office real estate, and how office assets can support companies throughout their entire life cycle.

They talk through the important of asking the users what they want, how changes in real estate have accelerated since the start of the pandemic, and what the most important things are for spaces to consider when building brand and community.

John shares his insights on hybrid working and back to the office and how there is space for more disruptive and bold companies to change the future of work conversation.

Connect with John Ruffolo on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/joruffolo/

Connect with Caleb Parker on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/calebparker/

If you have any questions or feedback on this episode, email [email protected]

Value Bombs:

• And throughout history, if you look back at the major innovations that's moved the world forward, it's been during times of crisis. This pandemic is no different. - Caleb Parker

• Traditional real estate, particularly during the pandemic, probably has the most visibility of an industry that's in need of massive change. - John Ruffolo
• [Real estate owners are] really trying to shoe horn a client opportunity to fit their buildings. - John Ruffolo
• The real estate industry didn't look at their customer as a customer. They looked at it as a tenant in that particular building, based on a geographic location. - John Ruffolo
• [Real estate] was one of the last industries, or maybe the last industry that was supply side focused as opposed to demand side. - John Ruffolo
• You are a deep expert in real estate at what was the last time that somebody was looking for space asked who the building owner was? - John Ruffolo
• In order to build loyalty and trust with that person you have to deliver a consistent experience. And that consistent experience is what becomes known as the brand. - Caleb Parker
• You use the term space as a service. I actually don't use that term. I actually use community as a service. - John Ruffolo
• Disruption always comes from the bottom, never from the top down. - John Ruffolo
• I think if you're a landlord right now, you have to be looking at as a service and figuring out how to get into your building in some capacity. - Caleb Parker
• I know these CEOs were led to believe that a transformation for them to work out of the home would have taken three years. It [only] took them three weeks. - John Ruffolo
• We haven't learned how to be as efficient using technology as we would have with those small conversations in the office. And that's really just because of our adoption. And I still think I love physically seeing people, that's who I am. - John Ruffolo
• Blackberry was the first time that I was personally untethered from my desk. So the hybrid work arrangement is a shrug in our office and it's a shrug for a lot of folks. - John Ruffolo

Resources:

• TSK's agile/flexible/hybrid article
• Maverix Private Equity Website

• OMERS Ventures

• Eat, Sleep, Work, Repeat Podcast

• 10 x Podcast

• The David Suzuki Podcast

Shout Outs:

• Dave Cairns
• One Eleven
• Matthew Lombardi
• Michael Kravshik
• LumiQ
• Basil Demeroutis
• Bruce Daisley
• Richard Pickering

About Our Guests:

John Ruffolo

Follow John on Twitter

John is the Founder and Managing Partner of Maverix Private Equity.

John's focus is on guiding the strategy of the firm, Chair of the Investment Committee and is deeply involved with sourcing and leading opportunities particularly within the technology industry. John is also the Founder of OMERS Ventures. Through John's leadership as Chief Executive Officer, OMERS Ventures had invested over $500 million of capital in over 40 disruptive technology companies across North America, including growth investments in Shopify, Wattpad, Wave, Hootsuite, Rover, Desire 2 Learn, Hopper, DuckDuckGo, TouchBistro and League. During his tenure at OMERS, John also formed OMERS Platform Investments as its Executive Managing Director. He has led investments in Purpose Financial, PointNorth Capital, District Ventures, Xanadu, OneEleven and ArcTern Ventures. John is also the Co-founder and Vice-Chair of the Council of Canadian Innovators, a non-profit organization dedicated to helping high-growth Canadian technology firms scale up globally. Further, John sits on a number of boards of leading innovative organizations in both the profit and non-for-profit sector.

Fun fact: John and his wife named each of their children after their favorite bottle of wine.

About Our Host:

Caleb Parker

https://www.linkedin.com/in/calebparker/

Caleb Parker is an American entrepreneur in London, and Founder of Bold (acquired by Newable/NewFlex in 2019).He believes in "challenging the status quo" and is a champion for entrepreneurial and innovative thinking.Caleb has served as founder, Board member, advisor, investor and consultant to numerous startups and small businesses, and has a keen focus on innovation and technology, with interests in the MICE market, Space-as-a-Service, and the future of work.Caleb has been a guest lecturer, speaker, and moderator for topics such as entrepreneurship, the sharing economy, the future of work and commercial real estate at academic institutions and large corporations. He regularly takes the stage at numerous trade conferences as keynote speaker, MC, host or facilitator.Earlier in his career, Caleb was named one of Savannah, Georgia's "40 under 40" business leaders" in 2006 after launching two successful small businesses in the city's booming hospitality industry. A year later he moved to Washington, DC to join the The Regus Group DC management team. In 2009, Caleb co-founded a flexible workspace consulting firm where he brokered flexible workspace and advised businesses on agile working strategies.Caleb is one of the first licensed commercial real estate agents to speak on the flexible working trends and the rise of flexible workspace, and has been quoted in numerous publications.

Sponsors

Headline Sponsor: TSK

TSK creates inspiring workplaces for some of the world's biggest brands across the UK and Ireland, They've been working for 25 years to deliver the best employee experiences and the vision of their clients. Not only do they create great places to work, TSK share workplace content every week from the latest data to inspiring spaces they've designed and built. You can read their latest insights at www.tskgroup.co.uk or check out their LinkedIn and Instagram pages to become a follower, fan and friend.

Fortune Favours the Bold

Bold merges property management & Space-as-a-Service to drive asset value and help office customers grow faster. Now part of NewFlex (www.workbold.co)

Future Proof Your Portfolio with NewFlex

NewFlex delivers and manages a range of branded solutions for every type of building, in every type of location, for every type of occupier. Including the flexibility to develop your own brand. All enabled by flexible management contracts where we are invested in making money for you. (www.newflex.com)

Launch Your Own Podcast

A Podcast Company is the leading podcast production company for brands, organizations, institutions, individuals, and entrepreneurs. Our team sets you up with the right equipment, training, and guidance to ensure you sound amazing. (https://www.apodcastcompany.com)

Subscribe to the #WorkBold Podcast

https://workbold.co.uk/podcast/

Putting Values At The Centre Of The Universe

Stephen Shedletzky, Speaker, Executive Coach & Advisor, joins Bold Founder, Caleb Parker, for our Season 6 debut to discuss why leadership is so important in unprecedented times, and why infinite mindsets are what's needed in commercial real estate to support office customers as we navigate the new ways of working.

They talk through why values, beliefs and behaviour should be placed at the centre of the universe, and how leadership will make all the difference to organisations embracing the Future of Work.

Stephen shares his insights on the changes in work culture and how these are impacted by flexible working, and shares interesting research on the motivators that influence employee engagement and performance.

PLUS tune in for a surprise "behind the scenes" chat at the end of this podcast...

Connect with Stephen Shedletzky on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenshedletzky/

Connect with Caleb Parker on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/calebparker/

If you have any questions or feedback on this episode, email [email protected]

Value Bombs:

• You've often heard me say we need to put people at the centre of the universe. Well, Stephen says we should be putting values at the centre of the universe in commercial real estate. - Caleb Parker
• I think that we often position doing right by people, and doing right by your bottom line as opposing forces. And they are not. - Stephen Shedletzky
• Organisations exist to serve their end user. Leaders exist to serve their people. When leaders serve their people, people serve each other. - Stephen Shedletzky
• I think the responsibility of businesses to advance a purpose, to protect people and to generate profit in that order. - Stephen Shedletzky
• My favourite equation for culture is culture = values x behavior. - Stephen Shedletzky
• Integrity is doing what's right, even if it's hard, even if no one's looking. - Stephen Shedletzky
• Company culture is a bigger threat to commercial real estate and the office then COVID-19 has been, because returning to the office sucks if your company culture sucks. - Caleb Parker
• The pandemic has pulled the covers off of these bad company cultures that exist in our buildings. - Caleb Parker
• The very utterance of return to work is offensive. And leaders need to know that their language matters and they ought to strike that from their vernacular. - Stephen Shedletzky
• If you give people a higher ceiling and you leave with more trust, you'll let people surprise you for the better. - Stephen Shedletzky
• Work-life balance is about loving who we are at work and loving who we are at home. - Stephen Shedletzky
• Our relationship with our boss is more of an impact on our health than that of our relationship with our family doctor. - Stephen Shedletzky
• Play is the most powerful motivator, two times more powerful than purpose, which is mind blowing for a guy who spent the last 13 years dedicated to purpose. - Stephen Shedletzky
• I believe that the leaders who are leaning into this flexible working, and have flexible mindsets are assets for their organisations... When the competition is embracing hybrid working, do you think that the leaders who aren't become a liability to their shareholders? - Caleb Parker
• If leaders themselves aren't doing well, how can you expect their people to do well? - Stephen Shedletzky
• As leaders, you need to help your people get out of their own way. - Stephen Shedletzky
• I define a humble leader is someone who knows that there are at least a part of problems they experience and a part of the solutions. - Stephen Shedletzky

Resources:

LinkedIn Live – The Future of Work with Stephen and Caleb

Adam Grants Work Life Podcast

Brene Brown Podcasts

Checking In with Susan David Podcast

Malcolm Gladwell Revisionist History Podcast

EvolveOrDie.co

Shout Outs:

Dave Cairns

Liane Davey

Michael Kalles

Keywords: leadership, teams, culture, values, motivation, return to the office, work, purpose, play

About Stephen Shedletzky:

Follow Stephen on Twitter and Instagram

Every day Stephen wakes up to engage with people in meaningful ways, so that we connect with depth and live in a more fulfilled world. He supports humble leaders – those who know they are both a part of the problems they experience and a part of the solutions they can create – who intend to put their people and purpose first.

Feeling stifled on his own corporate track, Shedletzky was introduced to Simon Sinek's work and was immediately inspired by it. He met Simon in 2010 and became the fourth person to join his team. He began answering fan email and became the first person outside of Simon to lead his social media efforts.

He moved on to hold the roles of Chief of Staff, and Head of Brand Experience, Training & Development. Leading a global team of speakers and facilitators at Simon Sinek, Inc., Stephen worked to ensure the team's culture, products and communications authentically reflected the organization's most deeply held values and beliefs. He also had the opportunity to narrate the audiobook for Simon Sinek's book, Find Your Why: A Practical Guide for Discovering Purpose for You and Your Team.

Stephen has led hundreds of keynote presentations, workshops and leadership development programs. Though Stephen still works to share Simon's message, helping to create a more inspired, safe and fulfilled world, he also works to advance his own thought leadership on leadership, culture and psychological safety through keynotes, writing, coaching and advising.

Stephen has worked with leaders and organizations around the world and serves clients in any industry where human beings work. Stephen graduated from the Richard Ivey School of Business with a focus in leadership, communication and strategy and received his coaching certification from The Coaches Training Institute.

Stephen lives in Toronto with his wife and two young children.

About Caleb Parker

https://www.linkedin.com/in/calebparker/

Caleb Parker is an American entrepreneur in London, and Founder of Bold (acquired by Newable/NewFlex in 2019).He believes in "challenging the status quo" and is a champion for entrepreneurial and innovative thinking.Caleb has served as founder, Board member, advisor, investor and consultant to numerous startups and small businesses, and has a keen focus on innovation and technology, with interests in the MICE market, Space-as-a-Service, and the future of work.Caleb has been a guest lecturer, speaker, and moderator for topics such as entrepreneurship, the sharing economy, the future of work and commercial real estate at academic institutions and large corporations. He regularly takes the stage at numerous trade conferences as keynote speaker, MC, host or facilitator.Earlier in his career, Caleb was named one of Savannah, Georgia's "40 under 40" business leaders" in 2006 after launching two successful small businesses in the city's booming hospitality industry. A year later he moved to Washington, DC to join the The Regus Group DC management team. In 2009, Caleb co-founded a flexible workspace consulting firm where he brokered flexible workspace and advised businesses on agile working strategies.Caleb is one of the first licensed commercial real estate agents to speak on the flexible working trends and the rise of flexible workspace, and has been quoted in numerous publications.

Timestamps

[00:00] Caleb introduces the episode and gives an introduction to Stephen.

[05:38] Stephen explains how great leaders serve their people and shareholders, and the order in which that needs to happen for organisations to be effective.

[07:59] Caleb talks about putting customers at the centre of the universe, and Stephen counters the notion with putting values and beliefs at the centre of the universe instead of the customers themselves.

[10:13] Caleb shares his thoughts on company culture and how the pandemic has exposed some of the more challenging aspects of returning to the office.

[11:33] Stephen shares his views on what bad values, beliefs and behaviours are in company culture. He also shares his thoughts on remote working and return to the office.

[14:47] Caleb talks about the future opportunity for remote work as a result of the pandemic and how some companies are not embracing the flexible opportunity that exists by mandating return to the office policies.

[16:38] Stephen explains the importance of trust, control and fear in employees producing outputs outside of the office. He also quotes research on health and the relationships with our boss. Stephen explains our motivators within work which include play, purpose and potential, and the indirect motivators of pressure, fear, shame and guilt.

[24:35] Caleb asks whether those leaders who aren't adopting flexible working are a liability to their shareholders and Stephen gives his insights on this.

[25:55] Caleb asks how we can lean into the future when a lot of money is invested in returning to the past, and Stephen explains how change occurs like a flywheel effect and how business models get outdated over time.

[27:30] Caleb asks how business leaders in real estate can support their customers in a post pandemic world. Stephen gives advice on embracing work life balance, trust in employees and leader burnout. Stephen talks about what real estate companies can do to make change for the future.

[29:46] Caleb suggests they should start a new hashtag #skatetowardsthepuck. Caleb talks about putting boundaries in with his remote work on vacation.

[30:39] Stephen shares his take on boundaries and how to put them in place with his work, team and family.

[33:01] Stephen explains his approach to coaching humble leaders and team members.

[35:07] Stephen shares some shoutouts and podcast recommendations which can be found in the show notes.

[37:15] Surprise interview with special guest

Sponsors

Headline Sponsor: TSK

TSK creates inspiring workplaces for some of the world's biggest brands across the UK and Ireland, They've been working for 25 years to deliver the best employee experiences and the vision of their clients. Not only do they create great places to work, TSK share workplace content every week from the latest data to inspiring spaces they've designed and built. You can read their latest insights at www.tskgroup.co.uk or check out their LinkedIn and Instagram pages to become a follower, fan and friend.

Fortune Favours the Bold

Bold merges property management & Space-as-a-Service to drive asset value and help office customers grow faster. Now part of NewFlex (www.workbold.co)

Future Proof Your Portfolio with NewFlex

NewFlex delivers and manages a range of branded solutions for every type of building, in every type of location, for every type of occupier. Including the flexibility to develop your own brand. All enabled by flexible management contracts where we are invested in making money for you. (www.newflex.com)

Launch Your Own Podcast

A Podcast Company is the leading podcast production company for brands, organizations, institutions, individuals, and entrepreneurs. Our team sets you up with the right equipment, training, and guidance to ensure you sound amazing. (https://www.apodcastcompany.com)

Subscribe to the #WorkBold Podcast

https://workbold.co.uk/podcast/

We're back for Season 6 of the #WorkBold Podcast!

Caleb Parker, Founder of Bold, is back to challenge the status quo in commercial real estate on the only podcast in the world dedicated to the future asset class called Space-as-a-Service (SPaaS).

Now downloaded in over 50 countries, this season includes a few featured episodes recorded on Caleb's trip to Canada, as well as other episodes with leading experts in commercial real estate from around the world.

Resource Links:

• TSK Insights: https://tskgroup.co.uk/insights-and-articles/
• Bold expands to Manchester: https://allwork.space/2021/11/bold-to-unveil-manchester-space-as-a-service-community-as-demand-for-flexible-space-soars/
• Future of CRE VIDEO 1 by Sam Gamble: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/sam-gamble-cloudworks_were-at-the-20-month-mark-of-a-worldwide-activity-6863999951257645056-l6fh
• Future of CRE VIDEO 2 by Sam Gamble: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/sam-gamble-cloudworks_workbold-activity-6866183962713296896-e1Gm
• CBRE Research on hybrid work: https://www.cbre.com/insights/articles/how-hybrid-work-will-transform-our-workplaces

(Read the transcript of this trailer below)

Welcome back to the WorkBold podcast

Where we chat with the leaders in commercial real estate to answer all questions Space-as-a-service.

This podcast is for anyone involved in commercial real estate in any way. If you're an investor, fund manager, developer, property manager, agent or broker, be sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode.

I'm your host, Caleb Parker, and you're listening to a preview of season 6.

Over the next 10 weeks we'll drop a new episode with the leading experts in commercial real estate sharing insights to help office investors operators AND customers understand how to win in the #FutureOfWork.

We have a solid lineup, including office customers like Twitter, Sensei Labs, the infamous John Ruffulo (the leading venture capitalist in Canada) and many more.

If you're tuning in for the first time, I am Caleb Parker, Founder of Bold, the Space-as-a-Service brand for entrepreneurs and innovators, and as part of the NewFlex family of brands we're merging property management & Space-as-a-Service to drive asset value and help office customers grow faster.

You may have seen we just announced our first Bold community in Manchester, England. This takes our group portfolio to 1 million 35,000 sqft under management in partnership with some of the world's most forward thinking asset managers. I'm personally super excited to support & champion entrepreneurs in Manchester who are making a positive impact on the world.

This season has started later than I wanted it to.

Partly because of some of the deals I've been working on have taken a lot of attention. Combined with the fact that over the last couple months I've traveled to France twice, Germany, Poland, Sweden, Canada, the Maldives (for a cheeky holiday) and Manchester multiple times (naturally), I have to admit it's been a challenge.

But with challenges come opportunities, and while I was in Canada for meetings I was able to record a couple podcasts face to face for the first time since the pandemic began. That was fun!

So what are we talking about in Season 6?

I won't spoil all the surprises, but let me share the following:

We're now in The age of #SpaceAsAService

Offices have been evolving since their inception, and we're seeing significant demand for bigger changes today.

FACT

Many of us no longer have to be inside an office building 5 days each week to generate stellar results.

My friend, office developer & landlord, Sam Gamble says "The binary choice between work from home (#WFH) and work from the office is a false dichotomy."

That's a quote from 1 of Sam's 2 brilliant videos on the future of CRE.

I love Sam's quote because as I've said before, the future is about the +

The best office assets going forward will cater to this reality and be much more dynamic than the static white boxes currently on the market.

The [repurposed] office has a crucial role to play as a tool in the platform of work. (And it doesn't feel like a return to the past)

WELCOME TO THE AGE OF SPACE-AS-A-SERVICE

✅ Where inclusive cultures thrive

(no matter how distributed a company is)

✅ Where Team members enjoy impromptu collaboration

(online ➕ in person)

✅ Where Junior team members benefit from knowledge transfer, even if the boss is on the golf course

(because of asynchronous support)

✅ Where Customers are hosted at offices that work as windows to a company's business culture and ethos

(because of the real estate brands they choose to do business with)

✅ Where Everyone feels taken care of because they can tap into the hospitality & service they need

(on-demand)

PLUS NOT VERSUS

According to a research by CBRE

1. 87% of large companies with 10,000 or more employees say they will be adopting hybrid work
2. "Companies that successfully adopt hybrid work have the potential to create more productive workplaces, embrace flexibility and retain valuable talent."

Historically, companies have averaged around 65% in total space utilization. Someone with an assigned space at an office was likely present about two-thirds of the time, accounting for vacation, sick days, business travel and other events.

But in this research paper, CBRE predicts this number will likely approach 75-80% as companies see more people using shared assets or more people using less directly held space. That dynamic will reduce the need to hold vacant space in reserve.

I keep saying The future of work = the future of CRE

So what does this mean for commercial real estate?

Call me biased, but I believe nearly every asset manager should be bringing in flex with hospitality & service to support these new ways of working, and to complement traditional leasing strategies.

The successful building of the future will deploy the 5 Pillars of Space-as-a-Service

Don't know what the 5 Pillars are?

Well, reach out to me and let's have a chat.

Before I conclude this trailer I have something else to share with you.

Every since season 2 of this podcast we've had various companies approach us offering to pay for advertisements on the episodes. We've politely declined because that's not the purpose of the podcast.

I am committed to keeping our focus on discussing all things Space-as-a-Service and sharing creative ideas that will help our industry lean into the future,, because as you've just heard, I believe SPaaS is the future of our industry.

With that said, I believe in challenging the status quo.

What if we said yes to a sponsor or advertiser, IF (and that's a big IF) if any advertisement had to contribute to the sharing of creative ideas that this podcast is known for.

Could we create something that synchronized naturally throughout our episodes.

Or would it be a distraction?

So we're going to challenge the status quo of our own podcast, and test something new.

We're going to weave in some advertisements into the episodes this season, but they'll just be more creative ideas that you can benefit from. I'd love your feedback on how we're doing.

So with that preamble, I'd like to announce TSK as the headline sponsor for Season 6.

I've gotten to know TSK well over the last couple years and I've been inspired by their approach to workplace design and consultancy - and there is a lot of alignment in how we both think about putting the customer at the centre of the universe. So when the idea of sharing some of their insights regularly throughout the season was discussed I got excited.

If you don't know them already, TSK creates super cool and inspiring workplaces for some of the world's biggest brands across the UK and Ireland. They've been working for 25 years to deliver the best employee experiences and the vision of their clients. Not only do they create great places to work, TSK also share workplace content every week, from the latest data - to inspiring spaces they've designed and built. You can read their latest insights at www.tskgroup.co.uk or check out their LinkedIn and Instagram pages for inspiration like I do.

Thank you for listening to this Season 6 intro, we have a great season ahead with a focus on the office customer, infinite mindsets, company culture, the changing demand for offices, and more expert discussion on Space-as-a-Service.

Don't forget to subscribe in iTunes, or your preferred podcast listening app.

And remember, Fortune Favours the Bold.

Ian Minor, Chief Operating Office at neospace, joins Bold Founder Caleb Parker for our Season 5 Finale to discuss why hotels are poised to take market share from office buildings.

They talk through 2 of the 5 pillars of Space-as-a-Service: hospitality and community, and why they will be the differentiators that will transcend the old "location, location, location" mantra.

Ian shares the ingredients for success he learned from his time creating the Hoxton's coworking brand, and he spills the beans on a new Work, Rest and Play upscale Space-as-a-Service brand in Scotland.

Connect with Ian Minor on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianminor/

Connect with Caleb Parker on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/calebparker/

If you have any questions or feedback on this episode, email [email protected]

Value Bombs

• Can the office become a place people want to go to? I believe the answer is yes, if we create experiences that support good company cultures – Caleb Parker

• Where you've got the 15 minutes city element, I think it works very well to combine your home life, your leisure life and your work life all in one – Ian Minor

• I think we will see a lot more hotels taking up elements within the office environment – Ian Minor

• Across our company we couldn't open up locations fast enough close to where people live, but the hotels are already there. So it just makes sense that they would be able to accommodate some of these workers – Caleb Parker

• It's quite clear that we need a different way of operating – Ian Minor
• Why should hospitality not be in the office life? Office life is part of life and I think hospitality coming into that is going to be a crucial. I think it's logical. – Ian Minor
• You have to become a destination experience now, people have to want to go through the commutes to get somewhere special – Ian Minor
• You need a hospitality team to deliver hospitality, and that's a more expensive element. So you model a staff-cost percentage against revenue of about 14-15% – Ian Minor
• Events sell F&B, F&B helps close deals on desks, desks sell F&B – Caleb Parker
• I think community is the most crucial thing – Ian Minor

• It's about building the workplace with the curious kind of people that want to be members – Ian Minor
• We are in a day in age where become a media driven, content conscious organization is important. – Caleb Parker
• If we attract fans as members, even if they're on flexible terms, the lifetime value of those members sticks around for a long time. – Caleb Parker
• How can we give employees the gift of not only a community with their own colleagues, but also a broader ecosystem? – Caleb Parker

• It's a dynamic multifunctional space with community at its core – Ian Minor

Resources

• neospace website www.neo-space.com
• Hoxton Coworking Space workingfrom.thehoxton.com
• Ennismore Hospitality Property Developer www.ennismore.com

Shout Outs

• Dave Cairns
• Dror Poleg
• Anthony Slumbers
• Jamie Russo
• Tushar Agarwal at Hubble
• Keith Evans
• Jeff Shapack
• John Preece at Hub Australia
• Simon Sinek Infinite Game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vX2iVIJMFQ

About Ian Minor

https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianminor/

Ian Minor is Chief Operating Officer for neospace, an upscale Space-as-a-Service brand in Aberdeen Scotland, offering a work, rest and play concept. Ian is a future of work and hospitality specialist who partners with CEOs, enterprises, and start-ups to create inspiring collaborative workspaces and hospitality operations from concept development and design through project management to operation. Committed to developing destination experiences where members can get on with the work that matters, Ian is regarded as a thought leader who develops and operates the very best of collaborative member workspaces.

Sponsors

Fortune Favours the Bold

Bold merges property management & Space-as-a-Service to drive asset value and help office customers grow faster. Now part of NewFlex (www.workbold.co)

Future Proof Your Portfolio with NewFlex

NewFlex delivers and manages a range of branded solutions for every type of building, in every type of location, for every type of occupier. Including the flexibility to develop your own brand. All enabled by flexible management contracts where we are invested in making money for you. (www.newflex.com)

Launch Your Own Podcast

A Podcast Company is the leading podcast production company for brands, organizations, institutions, individuals, and entrepreneurs. Our team sets you up with the right equipment, training, and guidance to ensure you sound amazing. (https://www.apodcastcompany.com)

Subscribe to the #WorkBold Podcast

https://workbold.co.uk/podcast/

Sandra Panara, Director of Workplace Strategy at Relogix, and Robert Kenward, Chief Talent Officer and co-founder of YOU search and select, joins Bold Founder, Caleb Parker, to bring their different perspectives to the future of work conversation.

1. Should not being in the office be an excuse for not building relationships?
2. Will society fall back on tradition because that's what's worked in the past?
3. Will the office continue to be central to creating culture going forward?
4. Is establishing and maintaining culture more about proximity, or is it about curating an environment where people feel they belong?

In this episode we talk about the pros and cons of flexible working, the feeling of forced cultures, and how companies and talent should be aligning on shared values.

Tune in to hear how they (respectfully!) dual it out!

Connect with Sandra Panara on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/spanara/

Connect with Robert Kenward on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertkenwardeventprofs/

Connect with Caleb Parker on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/calebparker/

If you have any questions or feedback on this episode, email [email protected]

Value Bombs

• We are seeing the hospitality and commercial real estate industries colliding – Caleb Parker
• We don't have to agree on everything, but dialogue and listening are key to understanding – Caleb Parker
• I think the future is the hybrid working and hybrid for me is a mix of what the employer needs and also what candidates need – Robert Kenward
• The Monday to Friday 9-5 is gone, it's dead. And I think that's a wonderful thing that should be celebrated – Robert Kenward
• I think that flexible working has always existed. It's just never been formalized and as widely enjoyed by people as much as it has been in the last two years – Sandra Panara
• Some companies are using flexible working as a talent attraction & retention tool, and to compete with other companies that are going after the same talent – Caleb Parker
• What you'll start to see is hybrid working as talent attraction, but it needs boundaries – Robert Kenward
• Flexible working should be a personal choice - Sandra Panara
• Decentralization of the office might mean the same amount of space, but just better distributed to address some of the pain points that have been raised by the pandemic – Sandra Panara
• If you're not offering flexible working then you will lose talent – Robert Kenward
• Flexible is two way and the employer has to have a say in it – Robert Kenward
• People don't achieve great things on command – Sandra Panara
• Companies need to trust their employees more– Sandra Panara
• Management is still managing based on old school thinking that you have to be in the office because that makes managing people easier – Sandra Panara

Resources

• Relogix website www.relogix.com
• YOU search and select site www.yousas.co.uk
• Robert's events industry jobs board: The Hub.jobs https://www.thehub.jobs/cm/employers/about
• Sandra's podcast: Let's Get Real

Shout Outs

• Fay Sharpe
• Gabby Austen-Browne

About Sandra Panara

https://www.linkedin.com/in/spanara/

Sandra is Director of Workplace Insights and Strategy at Relogix, who help companies transform the experience of work using data to inform workplace professionals on space utilization and employee engagement as they transform offices for hybrid working. Sandra has both a deep and wide understanding of corporate real estate and technology with over 25 years hands-on experience, and she applies non-traditional approaches to extract deep learning from the most unsuspecting places in order to drive strategy. Her expertise ranges broadly from commercial real estate portfolio research, analytics and insights, workforce planning, space and occupancy planning, and work place strategy.

About Robert Kenward

https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertkenwardeventprofs/

Robert is Chief Talent Officer, and co-founder of YOU search and select, a talent acquisition firm for the events industry here in the UK. Robert has over 20 years experience in the recruitment and events sectors, and brings a unique perspective of hiring from all angles as a candidate, a client, and a recruiter. He brings an honest and pragmatic approach to recruitment, matching the personal and career aspirations of candidates to a company's business growth plans. In 2020, he launched The Hub, a global and industry specific people in jobs board to help people in the events industry find work, and for employers and recruiters to find the right industry specific talent. He also helps agencies attract and retain director and C-level talent by providing #executivesearch and selection services through his specialist recruitment business, Fitability®. This bespoke programme enables Robert to match a candidate's personal and career aspirations to a company's growth plan which in turn supports retention.

Sponsors

Fortune Favours the Bold

Bold merges property management & Space-as-a-Service to drive asset value and help office customers grow faster. Now part of NewFlex (www.workbold.co)

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NewFlex delivers and manages a range of branded solutions for every type of building, in every type of location, for every type of occupier. Including the flexibility to develop your own brand. All enabled by flexible management contracts where we are invested in making money for you. (www.newflex.com)

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Nella Pang, founder of Omega Real Estate joins Bold Founder Caleb Parker to share her story of transitioning from JLL to launching her own office real estate business during a global pandemic. We find out why Nella is not just a believer in Space-as-a-Service, but also a customer! She gives us insight into the changing requirements from her office customers and how she is supporting them across the UK as they prepare for post pandemic working.

Connect with Nella Pang on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/nella-pang-mrics-0m3gar3/

Connect with Caleb Parker on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/calebparker/

If you have any questions or feedback on this episode, email [email protected]

Value Bombs

• The days of control management ended when the pandemic started - Nella Pang
• Technology has allowed us to work from anywhere and flex around our family
• The future is flexible – Caleb Parker
• Having that flexibility means that we don't actually lose people out of the industry – Nella Pang
• Many employers think they need the same structure as before the internet was created, but there are a lot of forward thinking companies – Caleb Parker
• I'm a massive advocate for promoting the hybrid way of working – Nella Pang
• It's about creating that trust and that culture to create that flexibility – Nella Pang
• Every company is handling their real estate differently, depending on what sector and the culture of that they're trying to instil in their business – Nella Pang
• I'm in business to support and champion entrepreneurs because I believe they help make the world better – Caleb Parker
• For these companies that aren't fast growing and have lots more people coming in to their business, I think that we're going to see a reduction in footprints – Caleb Parker
• These new ways of working are compelling many businesses to acknowledge the silver lining in the pandemic and assess what is vital, and eliminate tasks or projects which waste time and resources – Nella Pang
• It's interesting to see how this change in demand is going to require a mindset change from the traditional world – Caleb Parker
• We're definitely at a pinnacle moment where technology can transform the way that real estate works to make a business more efficient – Nella Pang
• To understand the future of offices, it's really important to understand individuals or the end user wants and needs from their workspace – Nella Pang
• We are finding a number of serviced and coworking operators that are expanding and taking space in rural locations to provide that community network – Nella Pang
• Space has to support agility and collaborative working, which provides people with that high quality service – Nella Pang
• Landlords have to differentiate themselves through the service they offer – Nella Pang
• Operators that offer Space-as-a-Service have the ability to support many businesses to mobilise quickly and drive an ecosystem that helps everyone do well – Nella Pang
• Ultimately if we grow the economy then we all flourish – Nella Pang

Resources

1. Nella's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nella-pang-mrics-0m3gar3/
2. Omega RE website www.omega-re.co.uk
3. Megan Witherspoon's post on LinkedIn
4. Headway App for resources on Self Growth, Productivity & Business

Shout Outs

• Refinitiv
• Old Bond Store and it's founder Liam Doe
• Megan Witherspoon VP of Communications for Altria
• Headspace Group Coworking Space
• Dave Cairns at CBRE
• JP Morgan

About Nella Pang

https://www.linkedin.com/in/nella-pang-mrics-0m3gar3/?originalSubdomain=uk

With over 16 years experience in the Commercial Property Market, Nella has worked for Vail Williams, BNP Paribas Real Estate, and Jones Lang LaSalle Limited. She has also acted for a wide range of clients from major pension funds to private investors, small businesses and individuals. While on secondment with Refinitiv, she gained a new perspective on standard agencies and an insight into alternative ways of operating and cultures. Nella was responsible for handling their EMEA portfolio (which included 66 countries) and advised on the full cycle of Real Estate from acquisition, dilapidation, rent reviews, serving notices, lease negotiations and project management. Nella founded and is Managing Director of Omega Real Estate, whose aim is to provide property solutions to Landlords and Tenants with innovation and helps with all aspects of commercial acquisition and disposal across the South of England.

Sponsors

Fortune Favours the Bold

Bold merges property management & Space-as-a-Service to drive asset value and help office customers grow faster. Now part of NewFlex (www.workbold.co)

Future Proof Your Portfolio with NewFlex

NewFlex delivers and manages a range of branded solutions for every type of building, in every type of location, for every type of occupier. Including the flexibility to develop your own brand. All enabled by flexible management contracts where we are invested in making money for you. (www.newflex.com)

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**Massive THANK YOU to Caitlin Rozario over at Metrikus for giving me a platform to talk about BOLD and being more than just "the podcast guy" (See Part 1 & 2 under resources below)**

James Lass, Head of Special Transactions and Fund Manager at Mayfair Capital, joins Bold Founder Caleb Parker to discuss what keeps Mayfair up at night, how they are dealing with the rapid pace of change in office customer demand, and the changing risk profile of office assets. James speaks candidly about his take on Space-as-a-Service and gives some insight into their future-leaning investment strategies.

Connect with James Lass on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-lass-176b1026/

Connect with Caleb Parker on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/calebparker/

If you have any questions or feedback on this episode, email [email protected]

Value Bombs

• With real estate becoming more operational, it's becoming more of a risky investment, but if this is what customers want today, then not being operational becomes a risky investment – Caleb Parker
• It doesn't surprise me that we saw a big bounce back in numbers coming in. The office isn't dead, it's just continuing to evolve – James Lass
• We know that the occupiers of workspace want greater flexibility and not all of them want to find 20 year leases – James Lass
• It's about putting the end user of our assets front and centre and understanding what they need and then working back from there – James Lass
• If you're not servicing a customer, you're not giving them what they need, then your ability to maintain secure income streams is diminished – James Lass
• As an industry we continue to adapt and find ways of making workspaces more appealing – James Lass
• If the office isn't providing an experience that helps people feel taken care of and be most productive in, then people are just going to stay home – Caleb Parker

• The end user continues to demand more from their building and from the owner which I think that the industry is largely getting their head around – James Lass
• I've always found value outside of the CBD – James Lass
• The starting point for us is we have to be in a position where we can create interesting space – James Lass
• Workspace ultimately has got to be a building that you can walk in and know that you can transform into somewhere that you'd like to spend time – James Lass
• A key part of our strategy is to reuse assets rather than knock them down and start again - James Lass

Resources

• James' LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-lass-176b1026/

• Forge Woking Asset
• Caleb's interview with Metrikus:

  Part 1: https://www.metrikus.io/blog/metrikus-meets-caleb-parker-founder-bold

  Part 2: https://www.metrikus.io/blog/metrikus-meets-caleb-parker-founder-bold-2

• Exponential View Podcast with Azeem Azhar

Shout Outs

• Caitlin Rozario at Metrikus
• Anthony Slumbers and Dror Poleg from Real Innovation Academy
• Darren Graver from Wise
• Derwent London
• LETI (London Energy Transformation Initiative)

About James Lass

James joined Mayfair Capital as Head of Special Transactions and Fund Manager in January 2020 from Trilogy Real Estate, a niche developer operating in London and Manchester. Prior to that, he spent 12 years at Schroders where he was Fund Manager for the Schroder UK Real Estate Fund between 2012 and 2018, having previously been the Head of Business Space Investment. He has also sat on the European Real Estate Executive Committee and Investment Committee. James moved to Schroders in 2006 from private practice where he had held investment advisory roles, he worked at Savills between 2003 and 2006 and at Allsop between 2000 and 2003. He is a member of the RICS, Investment Property Forum and British Council for Offices.

Sponsors

Fortune Favours the Bold

Bold merges property management & Space-as-a-Service to drive asset value and help office customers grow faster. Now part of NewFlex (www.workbold.co)

Future Proof Your Portfolio with NewFlex

NewFlex delivers and manages a range of branded solutions for every type of building, in every type of location, for every type of occupier. Including the flexibility to develop your own brand. All enabled by flexible management contracts where we are invested in making money for you. (www.newflex.com)

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Darren Graver, Global Workplace Lead at Wise, joins Bold Founder Caleb Parker, to share how his team has recently repurposed their offices for post-pandemic working. We learn about Wise's flexible working policy, and why companies should embrace working from anywhere, including some tips for those leaning in this direction.

We also hear why Darren still believes in the workplace, but how he expects work from anywhere to impact corporate real estate portfolios.

Darren gives us a peek inside his mindset for creating dynamic workplaces, including his "scientific process" as well as what tech is needed to get it right.

Connect with Darren Graver on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/darren-graver/

Connect with Caleb Parker on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/calebparker/

If you have any questions or feedback on this episode, email [email protected]

Value Bombs

• 80% of our employees want to come into the office zero to three days a week – Darren Graver
• I call it "workplace without borders" – Darren Graver
• Since launching our hybrid working model in November last year, we've seen over 21,800 remote working days of employees working from anywhere in the world outside of their home office country – Darren Graver
• Many of our employees are living in countries where their families aren't based and allowing them to work from anywhere means they can go home and spend really valuable time with family members – Darren Graver
• Workplace without borders, letting people work anywhere and empowering your people is a massive cultural shift – Caleb Parker
• We work with a philosophy of autonomous teams. So we empower our teams to make decisions, we empower them to decide what problems to solve – Darren Graver
• When you are younger member of staff living in larger cities, actually having access to space at home can be quite difficult – Darren Graver
• Every organization is at different maturity levels, is at different places in its growth. What's right for a start-up is going to be very different to what's right for a publicly listed company – Darren Graver
• We need to be changing the way we think about the workplace and putting the customer at the centre of the universe – Caleb Parker
• We need to be able to be comfortable with that mentality of failing fast and learning from those mistakes, and then adjusting and going again – Darren Graver
• I'm really excited about how you can use technology and modular furniture solutions to create this demand-lead space. I think that's the future - Darren Graver
• In terms of proper hardware for supporting dynamic workplaces, I think sensors are really the future here – Darren Graver
• What happens if some people don't want to work from home? And my answer is, talk to your people, talk to your employees, ask them questions – Caleb Parker
• When we think about space needs, I think it's just about reshaping the spaces that teams have within the building – Darren Graver
• I read this stat that we are adding the equivalent of New York City to the planet every 34 days – Darren Graver

• In terms of landlords and looking at it more holistically from a real estate perspective, I do think we'll see more like amenity rich offerings without doubt – Darren Graver

Resources

1. Why we introduced a hybrid model of flexible working at Wise
2. Ed Catmull's book that Darren references, "Creativity Inc: Overcoming Unseen Inspiration"

Shout Outs

• Andrew Farah CEO of Density
• Kaptivo
• Liam Doe founder of the Old Bond Store
• Chris Early at Telefonica

About Darren Graver

https://www.linkedin.com/in/darren-graver/

Darren Graver is Global Workplace Lead at Wise, a publicly held fintech company listed on the London Stock Exchange (formerly TransferWise). Since their founding in 2011, The London based fintech company is a fast growing customer for the office industry. Darren is responsible for designing and executing the company's global workplace strategy across 21 offices. On a day-to-day basis, Darren incorporates industry-leading practices including the design of future workplace environments, introduction of workplace technology, programme and change management.

Prior to his role at Wise, Darren managed the end to end real estate process for global life sciences company, Abcam, while executing on their global corporate real estate strategy to support organic and acquisition growth. Darren is regularly engaged in the future of work conversation and recently reopened the 6th floor of the Wise #london office following a full refurbishment that focused on inclusivity, ergonomics, sustainability, wellbeing and flexibility

Sponsors

Fortune Favours the Bold

Bold merges property management & Space-as-a-Service to drive asset value and help office customers grow faster. Now part of NewFlex (www.workbold.co)

Future Proof Your Portfolio with NewFlex

NewFlex delivers and manages a range of branded solutions for every type of building, in every type of location, for every type of occupier. Including the flexibility to develop your own brand. All enabled by flexible management contracts where we are invested in making money for you. (www.newflex.com)

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Dan Harvey, Vice Chairman of CBRE joins Bold Founder Caleb Parker, and guest host Dave Cairns of CBRE to discuss the polarization around the future of work and the inflection point that will check mate finite thinkers. We hear about the evolution of cities and work, how NFT's could encourage certain types of employee behaviour, and Dan shares who he believes may soon rest with the dinosaurs…

Connect with Dan Harvey on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/dan-harvey-ba7ba726/

Connect with Dave Cairns on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/dave-cairns-5644a233/?originalSubdomain=ca

Connect with Caleb Parker on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/calebparker/

If you have any questions or feedback on this episode, email [email protected]

Value Bombs

• What continues to astound me 18 months and beyond into this whole (COVID) debacle, is how divided we remain in the industry and among companies at large about the future of work – Dave Cairns
• This idea that collaboration can only happen in the office, is just not complete – Dan Harvey

• This pandemic is a complete system shock. It's unlike anything I've ever experienced in my lifetime. It's personal, it's professional and it's global – Dan Harvey

• We're at a moment where we need to think about what living in the future is and what do we notice that's missing that we need to have? – Dan Harvey
• The innovators, the creators, the knowledge workforce has a lot of power in their labour and they have choice – Dan Harvey
• We have accelerating exponential God-like technology raining down on us. Some of it generates new categories of goodness, and some of it is generating new categories of harm – Dan Harvey
• We are sapiens, we are tribes, we gather, there's a social component that's physical – Dan Harvey
• If ideas and insights sound plausible now, it means you're not living in the future – Dan Harvey
• The future of the great diaspora of workplace and work force may end up being a real help in the de-densification of this connection of "everybody has more than me and how do I step on them to get it?" - Dan Harvey
• This pandemic has shown us is that we can have relationships and build relationships that are really digitally based – Dan Harvey
• Cities changed our relationship to want. Density, the pressing together, it developed a form of scarcity that was articulated in the language of aspiration, jealousy and desire rather than absolute need – Dan Harvey
• The World Economic Forum is predicting that by 2050 70% of humans are going to live in cities – Dave Cairns

Resources

• Dan's article: The Case for Social Tokens and NFTs in Enterprise Culture.
• Anthroplogist James Suzman's book Work: A History of How We Spend Our Time
• Tristan Harris podcast Your Undivided Attention.

• Ben Horowitz's book "What You Do Is Who You Are"

• Pivot podcast by Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway
• Masters of Scale podcast with Reid Hoffman
• The Weekly Take from CBRE podcast

Shout Outs

• Salesforce
• Lisa Picard CEO of EQ Office.
• Ben Horowitz co-founder of Andreessen Horowitz
• Spencer Levy Global Chief Client Officer at CBRE

About Dan Harvey

Dan grew up delivering workplace in the primordial soup known as the San Francisco Bay Area. He has been on the field of play watching and being part of birth of the internet and cloud computing companies from Patient Zero to the massive tech platform companies we have today. As a Vice Chairman at CBRE, Dan's client are Fast Sector innovation companies where software, mobility and AI are driving rapid disruption of Slow Sector enterprises. He brings breakthrough insights to delivering dynamic phygital workplace that is a force multiplier for talent density and vibrant culture.

About Guest Host Dave Cairns

Dave Cairns started his career at CBRE in 2012 after being a professional poker player where he was ranked as one of the top 100 online tournament players in the world for a time. Since then, Dave has become a thought leader within the commercial real estate industry with global recognition. He is an avid content creator on LinkedIn, who is highly respect by his peers, and has received over 1 million views in 2020 alone.

Working alongside his team, Dave's focus is on working with high growth companies in the tech sector, Space as a Service Operators (#SPaaS), and with financial services firms on a local, national and global level. Dave also leads a partnership with Deloitte on their Technology Fast 50 program, advising many of Canada's fastest growing technology companies on their real estate requirements. He is also the co-founder of CBRE Forward, a platform designed to showcase the fastest growing tech companies in Canada.

Sponsors

Fortune Favours the Bold

Bold merges property management & Space-as-a-Service to drive asset value and help office customers grow faster. Now part of NewFlex (www.workbold.co)

Future Proof Your Portfolio with NewFlex

NewFlex delivers and manages a range of branded solutions for every type of building, in every type of location, for every type of occupier. Including the flexibility to develop your own brand. All enabled by flexible management contracts where we are invested in making money for you. (www.newflex.com)

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Michael Cockburn, co-founder and CEO of venture-backed Desana joins Bold Founder Caleb Parker, to talk about how the Desana platform is supporting global corporates and scaleups as they transform into hybrid companies, while maintaining the human connection we need to thrive.

Michael talks about the changing nature of knowledge work and how management and work culture is evolving. He explains why enterprise companies are driving demand for flexible workspace, what the supply side of market needs to do differently, and why venture capital investors have backed his vision for the future of commercial real estate.

Connect with Michael Cockburn on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-cockburn-41316997/?originalSubdomain=uk

Connect with Caleb Parker on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/calebparker/

If you have any questions or feedback on this episode, email [email protected]

Value Bombs

• The main problem you're trying to solve with office space is how you meet the needs of the people that work for you– Michael Cockburn

• The office will be an important tool in the platform of work - but not the same way as it has been historically – Caleb Parker

• Commercial real estate or office space in particular has its roots in people – Michael Cockburn

• I believe in plus not versus – Caleb Parker

• People talk a lot about how flexible workspace operators have got a lot to learn from hospitality, and they definitely do – Michael Cockburn

• We're seeing a lot of companies moving to sharing models for desks within their own buildings – Michael Cockburn

• The bigger the problem, the bigger the opportunity – Caleb Parker

• Our two real focuses are enterprise and very high growth technology companies – Michael Cockburn

• I can foresee there being a real need for flexible workspace as an amenity to every substantial asset – Michael Cockburn

• A lot of companies since the pandemic have proven that they can give people more trust, more autonomy, and that they enjoy that trust and autonomy – Michael Cockburn

• Those that don't embrace this move towards more data driven occupancy solutions, I think will be ultimately left behind – Michael Cockburn

Resources

• Desana website

www.desana.io

• Michaels LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-cockburn-41316997/?originalSubdomain=uk

• How I Built This podcast

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/how-i-built-this-with-guy-raz/id1150510297

• Masters of Scale podcast

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/masters-of-scale-with-reid-hoffman/id1227971746

• Akimbo: a podcast by Seth Godin

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/akimbo-a-podcast-from-seth-godin/id1345042626

About Michael Cockburn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-cockburn-41316997/?originalSubdomain=uk

Michael Cockburn is the CEO and co-founder of Desana. The Edinburgh based entrepreneur helps companies facilitate flexible working sustainably by giving them seamless access to high-quality workspaces through Desana. Desana is a flexible / hybrid workspace platform for global employers. Staff can choose to work from their employer's own buildings or from Desana's fast growing global network of workspace operators in 90 cities across 42 countries, and they give companies the ability to curate which spaces can be accessed by any member of staff. Michael co-founded the company with COO Steve Jeans back in 2016, and has gone on to raise nearly $5M in venture capital from a consortium of international investors including Accel, Techstart Ventures & BGF in the UK & Ireland, German-based Proptech1 Ventures, and Canadian-based GroundBreak Ventures.

Sponsors

Fortune Favours the Bold

Bold merges property management & Space-as-a-Service to drive asset value and help office customers grow faster. Now part of NewFlex (www.workbold.co)

Future Proof Your Portfolio with NewFlex

NewFlex delivers and manages a range of branded solutions for every type of building, in every type of location, for every type of occupier. Including the flexibility to develop your own brand. All enabled by flexible management contracts where we are invested in making money for you. (www.newflex.com)

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