Tim Vickery is the leading English-language expert on Brazilian football. Tim joins me to discuss the current state of football in Brazil. We discuss a broad range of topics on contemporary Brazilian football, including the gentrification of the sport, the legacy of the 2014 World Cup, and the state of the national side.

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Check out Chris Lee's three books:

· Origin Stories: The Pioneers Who Took Football to the World

· The Defiant: A History of Football Against Fascism

· Shades of Green: A Journey into Irish Football